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« : April 18, 2013, 08:20:05 AM »

Will Tampa Bay wind up pulling the trigger on a trade for New York's Pro Bowl cornerback Darrelle Revis? PewterReport.com's Scott Reynolds lists 24 reasons why the Bucs need to trade for No. 24 from the Jets.

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« #1 : April 18, 2013, 09:05:25 AM »

1. The Bucs know the Jets have to trade Revis. Because of a contract stipulation, the Jets cannot franchise him past the 2013 season, and there has been no indication that Jets owner Woody Johnson wants to pay Revis anywhere close to his asking price of $15 million per year. First-year New York general manager John Idzik can’t risk losing Revis after the 2013 season and getting only a compensatory pick in 2014 in return. That’s a fireable offense for losing a Pro Bowler that is considered to be the NFL's top cornerback.

2. The Jets can’t afford to have the Revis situation become a distraction this offseason. Between Tim Tebow and Mark Sanchez, the Jets already have enough distractions for the New York media to write about. The fact that head coach Rex Ryan is on the hot seat this year is a clear indication that the Jets need to become a focused team in 2013.

These are reasons why he's available, not why the Bucs NEED to trade for him. If anything they're reasons why the Bucs DON'T need to give up premium picks for him. If the Bucs are indeed the only team interested in him then his REAL value is only our 4th round pick, which is the equivalent to the 2014 3rd round compensation pick they would get. The fact that he's UFA in 11 months is a weapon the Bucs have to use in all this.

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« #2 : April 18, 2013, 09:23:55 AM »

1. The Bucs know the Jets have to trade Revis. Because of a contract stipulation, the Jets cannot franchise him past the 2013 season, and there has been no indication that Jets owner Woody Johnson wants to pay Revis anywhere close to his asking price of $15 million per year. First-year New York general manager John Idzik can’t risk losing Revis after the 2013 season and getting only a compensatory pick in 2014 in return. That’s a fireable offense for losing a Pro Bowler that is considered to be the NFL's top cornerback.

2. The Jets can’t afford to have the Revis situation become a distraction this offseason. Between Tim Tebow and Mark Sanchez, the Jets already have enough distractions for the New York media to write about. The fact that head coach Rex Ryan is on the hot seat this year is a clear indication that the Jets need to become a focused team in 2013.
These are reasons why he's available, not why the Bucs NEED to trade for him. If anything they're reasons why the Bucs DON'T need to give up premium picks for him. If the Bucs are indeed the only team interested in him then his REAL value is only our 4th round pick, which is the equivalent to the 2014 3rd round compensation pick they would get. The fact that he's UFA in 11 months is a weapon the Bucs have to use in all this.
How are they getting a 2014 3rd round comp pick?
The earliest they might get a comp pick is 2015, if they get anything at all.
The Jets can't count on getting anything at all for Revis unless they already know they won't be using the new cap space in 2014 to sign any FAs.
I would think the most they can hope for will be a 2015 5th round comp pick unless they take whatever deal we deem worthwhile.
The only factor that plays against us in terms of picks would be offering something so insultingly low that another team with cap room jumps in just because they can.
In reality the only thing we are bidding against is the compensation tipping point where another team becomes willing to make a deal.
This is perception vs reality for the Jets, the perception is that Revis is talented enough to get them multiple high picks, reality is he really isn't worth more than a 4th rounder if they have to get rid, Idjit is trying to find a safe middle ground where he gets picks while not getting ripped apart by their fan base/media for "giving Revis away"

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« #3 : April 18, 2013, 09:38:28 AM »

    There could easily be another team waiting in the weeds to trump our offer. The state of Ohio is loaded with cap space, for instance... And there are others with cap space too...

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« #4 : April 18, 2013, 09:50:52 AM »

    There could easily be another team waiting in the weeds to trump our offer. The state of Ohio is loaded with cap space, for instance... And there are others with cap space too...
That is the only real issue, our offer only has to be good enough that it scares off the Browns & Bengals if they were thinking about it.
Comp picks play no part in this, if the Jets have to get rid want really isn't a factor, it's what they can get while not taking a big hit in public relations.
If Johnson really has told Idjit that he must deal Revis and we are the one and only team ready, willing & able to make a trade then it's a case of "here's our offer, you don't like it go talk to... Oh wait, there isn't anyone else, good luck with the 2015 comp pick if you are awarded one."
There is not one reason we should be offering any pick higher than a 3rd IMO.

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« #5 : April 18, 2013, 10:20:16 AM »

1. The Bucs know the Jets have to trade Revis. Because of a contract stipulation, the Jets cannot franchise him past the 2013 season, and there has been no indication that Jets owner Woody Johnson wants to pay Revis anywhere close to his asking price of $15 million per year. First-year New York general manager John Idzik can’t risk losing Revis after the 2013 season and getting only a compensatory pick in 2014 in return. That’s a fireable offense for losing a Pro Bowler that is considered to be the NFL's top cornerback.

2. The Jets can’t afford to have the Revis situation become a distraction this offseason. Between Tim Tebow and Mark Sanchez, the Jets already have enough distractions for the New York media to write about. The fact that head coach Rex Ryan is on the hot seat this year is a clear indication that the Jets need to become a focused team in 2013.
These are reasons why he's available, not why the Bucs NEED to trade for him. If anything they're reasons why the Bucs DON'T need to give up premium picks for him. If the Bucs are indeed the only team interested in him then his REAL value is only our 4th round pick, which is the equivalent to the 2014 3rd round compensation pick they would get. The fact that he's UFA in 11 months is a weapon the Bucs have to use in all this.
How are they getting a 2014 3rd round comp pick?
The earliest they might get a comp pick is 2015, if they get anything at all.
The Jets can't count on getting anything at all for Revis unless they already know they won't be using the new cap space in 2014 to sign any FAs.
I would think the most they can hope for will be a 2015 5th round comp pick unless they take whatever deal we deem worthwhile.
The only factor that plays against us in terms of picks would be offering something so insultingly low that another team with cap room jumps in just because they can.
In reality the only thing we are bidding against is the compensation tipping point where another team becomes willing to make a deal.
This is perception vs reality for the Jets, the perception is that Revis is talented enough to get them multiple high picks, reality is he really isn't worth more than a 4th rounder if they have to get rid, Idjit is trying to find a safe middle ground where he gets picks while not getting ripped apart by their fan base/media for "giving Revis away"

You're right about 2015 instead of 2014. But they are going to get a nice comp pick even if they sign free agents because Revis on the open market will get $80-100M

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« #6 : April 18, 2013, 10:33:42 AM »

1. The Bucs know the Jets have to trade Revis. Because of a contract stipulation, the Jets cannot franchise him past the 2013 season, and there has been no indication that Jets owner Woody Johnson wants to pay Revis anywhere close to his asking price of $15 million per year. First-year New York general manager John Idzik can’t risk losing Revis after the 2013 season and getting only a compensatory pick in 2014 in return. That’s a fireable offense for losing a Pro Bowler that is considered to be the NFL's top cornerback.

2. The Jets can’t afford to have the Revis situation become a distraction this offseason. Between Tim Tebow and Mark Sanchez, the Jets already have enough distractions for the New York media to write about. The fact that head coach Rex Ryan is on the hot seat this year is a clear indication that the Jets need to become a focused team in 2013.
These are reasons why he's available, not why the Bucs NEED to trade for him. If anything they're reasons why the Bucs DON'T need to give up premium picks for him. If the Bucs are indeed the only team interested in him then his REAL value is only our 4th round pick, which is the equivalent to the 2014 3rd round compensation pick they would get. The fact that he's UFA in 11 months is a weapon the Bucs have to use in all this.
How are they getting a 2014 3rd round comp pick?
The earliest they might get a comp pick is 2015, if they get anything at all.
The Jets can't count on getting anything at all for Revis unless they already know they won't be using the new cap space in 2014 to sign any FAs.
I would think the most they can hope for will be a 2015 5th round comp pick unless they take whatever deal we deem worthwhile.
The only factor that plays against us in terms of picks would be offering something so insultingly low that another team with cap room jumps in just because they can.
In reality the only thing we are bidding against is the compensation tipping point where another team becomes willing to make a deal.
This is perception vs reality for the Jets, the perception is that Revis is talented enough to get them multiple high picks, reality is he really isn't worth more than a 4th rounder if they have to get rid, Idjit is trying to find a safe middle ground where he gets picks while not getting ripped apart by their fan base/media for "giving Revis away"

You're right about 2015 instead of 2014. But they are going to get a nice comp pick even if they sign free agents because Revis on the open market will get $80-100M
Their issue is not going to be the contract he gets elsewhere, it will be the number of FA losses/gains they have in 2014.
You only have to look at how the Chargers got nothing at all after we signed Jackson for big money, simply because they signed trash like Meachem, Royal, McMichael.
The Jets are so low on talent that whatever cap space they gain with the loss of Revis will go on so many mid tier FAs that they will lose any & all comp picks Revis might have gotten them.

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« #7 : April 18, 2013, 11:07:32 AM »

20. Former Jets general manager Mike Tannenbaum recently praised Revis for taking an interest in helping New York’s practice squad players. Revis is a person of high character, who has been mislabeled as arrogant and greedy. He could be an excellent role model for young Buccaneers if he were to continue that practice in Tampa Bay.

Mislabeled? He is arrogant and greedy.....not that there's anything wrong with that! Hell, so am I :D

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 I thought Lovie said he wanted quickness & speed, even at the QB position?

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« #8 : April 18, 2013, 11:17:15 AM »

Their issue is not going to be the contract he gets elsewhere, it will be the number of FA losses/gains they have in 2014.
You only have to look at how the Chargers got nothing at all after we signed Jackson for big money, simply because they signed trash like Meachem, Royal, McMichael.
The Jets are so low on talent that whatever cap space they gain with the loss of Revis will go on so many mid tier FAs that they will lose any & all comp picks Revis might have gotten them.

I don't see them spending anywhere near $80-$100M on mid tier free agents. The contracts the Chargers spent on Jarret Johnson, Meachem and Royal were for a combined $59M, vs Jackson's $55M
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« #9 : April 18, 2013, 11:17:16 AM »

Greed and arrogance isn't bad... Slapping cab drivers around, popping adderall, and waffling teammates with helmets is bad.

Naismith was right about Revis. Everyone else is a dummy.

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« #10 : April 18, 2013, 11:59:02 AM »

Their issue is not going to be the contract he gets elsewhere, it will be the number of FA losses/gains they have in 2014.
You only have to look at how the Chargers got nothing at all after we signed Jackson for big money, simply because they signed trash like Meachem, Royal, McMichael.
The Jets are so low on talent that whatever cap space they gain with the loss of Revis will go on so many mid tier FAs that they will lose any & all comp picks Revis might have gotten them.

I don't see them spending anywhere near $80-$100M on mid tier free agents. The contracts the Chargers spent on Jarret Johnson, Meachem and Royal were for a combined $59M, vs Jackson's $55M
Don't forget that it isn't just Revis that will play a part in what they get, Sanchez is likely gone to but as he's going to be a release rather than a traditional FA his new deal and loss won't count in terms of comp picks but the cap space he creates will also get used to sign new players and they will count. There is no way Santonio Holmes cap hits stay as high as they do for 2014 & 2015 so there is more room to spend, Cromartie will not see $15 million.
It's easy to say they won't give out contracts worth $80-100 million but just look at that roster, they have next to nothing, with no Sanchez or Revis taking up cap space & the reworking of other deals/releases they will be on a spending spree and could easily top whatever Revis gets elsewhere.

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« #11 : April 18, 2013, 12:21:59 PM »

PLEASE do not trade for Revis..

1. He's injury prone
2. He's OVERRATED
3. He's not the ideal size
4. He's not young anymore

Let's bring in somebody who's young, fresh in the mind as well as the body, has ideal size, and has a lot of potential. I am going to be very upset if we trade our first away for him.

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« #12 : April 18, 2013, 12:31:59 PM »

for my first post

My reasons for passing on Revis for a 1st and 2nd

1.  Way too much to give up . Coming off a knee injury + losing 2 early picks + 12-15 million .  I would rather save that money , draft young talent, and resign Freemean,McCoy, and MWilliams.

2. This is my main reason.  Get Revis next year and give up no picks. He will be a free agent and we will have a good feel to where Revis is health wise.  We can pay him the Money if he looks to be worth it and we should have strong in roads to land him as a free agent ( Great cap situation and former coaching ties )


For this year  ....  If we can get Revis for a 2nd and a few other lower round picks + if he would be good with 10-13 million ...... I would be fine with that




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« #13 : April 18, 2013, 12:49:08 PM »

If we can get Revis for a 2nd and a few other lower round picks + if he would be good with 10-13 million ...... I would be fine with that

That sounds cool with me. Hopefully thats what happens.

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« #14 : April 18, 2013, 03:10:25 PM »

Reason #24 is the reason it will happen...especially after getting the stamp of approval from the Glazers. I don't necessarily agree that it's a good idea but don't think this train can be stopped at this point...it's inevitable.
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