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« #45 : May 05, 2013, 10:46:09 AM »

Now that Morgana has been thoroughly pwned regarding Gold, she's predictably moving the goal-posts.


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« #46 : May 05, 2013, 12:47:48 PM »

You realize that 50% of the market is based on government "pumping", right?

absolutely - gov't stimulus has much to to do with the recovery -hope you took advantage of it

By printing worthless notes? It only causes activity, sudden movements in stock prices aren't indicating value - they're just tripping up fund/pension managers.

It only works so long as the market agrees with the value of the notes being printed - that's why each printing requires more and more notes to satisfy the value needed - which requires a increasingly higher interest rate to be paid back to the note holders. These are backed by the "full faith and credit" clause - but that only works if you're not debasing your currency.

Take a look at the number of 1year, 5year, 10year T-Bills versus sales/disbursements of 30year treasuries.

Then take a look at the difference between those divesting of "paper" gold versus those buying "physical" gold (hint: JP Morgan sold off most of its paper, yet on the same day re-acquired physical gold...should be an omen...).

It's almost as if the elites are planning a profit taking position - they just have to gin-up some interest to get all the low-information traders to go "all-in" on stocks...


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« #47 : May 05, 2013, 01:55:45 PM »

Governments trying to stimulate the economy by printing 10 billion a day and buying into the stock market eventually will fail.

This has been done for several administrations and isn't something that just started in 2009.


Who said anything about it starting in 2009?  My only point Is that the concept that the government propping up the economy by just printing billions of dollars will eventually fail when there are enough investors buying into the BS so that their whole investment income can be hit the hardest.  The market will go where it is destined to go and printing money won't prevent it.

Since you bring up 2009 the biggest problem with the current administration is they took all of the failed Bush policies and made them even worse. They just made the US debt worse than it ever has been.  Probably borrowing against Muslims is why those involved with the Boston situation are still being pawned off as Russian.

The protection given to Muslim terrorists over life long American citizens is absolutely nauseating and repulsive.

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« #48 : May 05, 2013, 01:56:51 PM »

You realize that 50% of the market is based on government "pumping", right?

absolutely - gov't stimulus has much to to do with the recovery -hope you took advantage of it

By printing worthless notes? It only causes activity, sudden movements in stock prices aren't indicating value - they're just tripping up fund/pension managers.

It only works so long as the market agrees with the value of the notes being printed - that's why each printing requires more and more notes to satisfy the value needed - which requires a increasingly higher interest rate to be paid back to the note holders. These are backed by the "full faith and credit" clause - but that only works if you're not debasing your currency.

Take a look at the number of 1year, 5year, 10year T-Bills versus sales/disbursements of 30year treasuries.

Then take a look at the difference between those divesting of "paper" gold versus those buying "physical" gold (hint: JP Morgan sold off most of its paper, yet on the same day re-acquired physical gold...should be an omen...).

It's almost as if the elites are planning a profit taking position - they just have to gin-up some interest to get all the low-information traders to go "all-in" on stocks...

Correct!

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« #49 : May 16, 2013, 12:47:25 PM »

 SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) — Gold futures took a tumble on Thursday as the yellow metal’s losing streak may reach six.
The decline follows news of a decline in the U.S. inflation rate as well as a recent string of gains in U.S. equities

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/gold-prices-under-pressure-below-1400-2013-05-16

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« #50 : May 16, 2013, 01:19:07 PM »

Looks like another good day for the market.....at least it is opening strong this a.m.

Anywho - check out the DOW from the time GWB left office and today....

https://www.google.com/finance?q=INDEXDJX:.DJI

Shame you don't realize why the DOW is doing so great. That is nobody wants to invest to grow their companies due to the cavalcade of laws, rules and regulations currently being regurgitated by this Govt. If they don't spend it on their infrastructure, jobs and payroll they pay it out in dividends. Most stock is owned by funds. 401K's, IRA's, and such like which when they get a dividend they buy ....... more stock. The end result is great Stock Market, **CENSORED** economy.

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« #51 : May 16, 2013, 03:57:41 PM »

good theory

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« #52 : May 18, 2013, 08:04:11 PM »

Looks like another good day for the market.....at least it is opening strong this a.m.

Anywho - check out the DOW from the time GWB left office and today....

https://www.google.com/finance?q=INDEXDJX:.DJI

Shame you don't realize why the DOW is doing so great. That is nobody wants to invest to grow their companies due to the cavalcade of laws, rules and regulations currently being regurgitated by this Govt. If they don't spend it on their infrastructure, jobs and payroll they pay it out in dividends. Most stock is owned by funds. 401K's, IRA's, and such like which when they get a dividend they buy ....... more stock. The end result is great Stock Market, **CENSORED** economy.

Shame you won't admit that if a R was president, you would be hyping the Dow, just like Morgan.

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« #53 : May 19, 2013, 09:35:26 AM »


Shame you won't admit that if a R was president, you would be hyping the Dow, just like Morgan.

Somebody steal your wheaties this morning?

I'm not complaining about the DOW, I have lots of money in it. But I realize it is despite the economy not because of it. It also suggests that if the economy improves there might be a "correction". Subsequently, having all your money in the DOW is probably not a good idea. Having something like Gold as part of your portfolio AS WELL as stock is not a bad idea to cover yourself. Therefore to mock it, just because Glenn Beck likes it is cutting off your nose ...

I guess you didn't pick up on something as simple as straightforward as that. Morgan seemed to.

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« #54 : June 26, 2013, 08:15:14 PM »

Gold plunges to lowest level in nearly 3 years

,,,,,,,Gold is suffering as investors continue to weigh comments during the past week from Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke indicating the central bank's massive stimulus might be winding down. If that's true, it spoils much of the investment thesis of gold being a safe haven because now rampant inflation appears less likely and the economy is more stable.


http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/markets/2013/06/26/gold-plunged-to-three-year-low/2460251/

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« #55 : June 27, 2013, 09:17:44 AM »

Gold plunges to lowest level in nearly 3 years

,,,,,,,Gold is suffering as investors continue to weigh comments during the past week from Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke indicating the central bank's massive stimulus might be winding down. If that's true, it spoils much of the investment thesis of gold being a safe haven because now rampant inflation appears less likely and the economy is more stable.


http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/markets/2013/06/26/gold-plunged-to-three-year-low/2460251/


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PETER SCHIFF: The U.S. economy is not recovering. We are entering back into a recession, we might be in recession by the end of this year… Housing prices aren't going to keep rising, they're about to roll over and make new post-bubble lows. The Fed is not about to tighten, they're going to ease-- they're going to do even more QE, not less.

 I think when the market figures this out, there's going to be a sharp reversal in the price of gold and I think the people who are selling it now are going to have a big problem trying to buy it back.

The markets are a lot more complicated than you'd like people to believe morgan. There are lots of reasons for a drop in the price of gold and some of them don't bode well for the overall economic picture which is, I'm sure, why you're even talking about gold in the first place.  To show everyone how Obama fixed everything.  Epic fail bud. 


Edit: Here is an informative article about the end of the commodities supercycle (which includes gold, silver, copper, Iron ore... ).  You probably won't read it.  You should.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/d76d040a-de76-11e2-b990-00144feab7de.html#axzz2XQkltdKT

Suffice it to say that if any of the opinions in the article are true, it's another bad sign for this administrations economic recovery you keep talking about.


« : June 27, 2013, 11:33:03 AM jbear »

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« #56 : June 28, 2013, 10:12:47 AM »

Who said Obama fixed everything  - he came into office and the country was on the edge of a major depression. What did you want his administration to do: continue w/ GWB's $250 tax rebate that never worked? Banks were failing, auto industry was in the tank, two wars, unemployment rising (job losses were 100k monthly), housing crisis, etc etc etc.

Now the Fed is tapering off its support - but you doom-and-gloomers are whining because the recovery is too slow - you naysayers have been whining since 2008 and hopefully pulled all your money out of the markets back then so you haven't participated in the recovery on that end.


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« #57 : June 28, 2013, 10:39:52 AM »

How anyone at this point in time can hold nothing but contempt for the obamanation that has occurred is baffling to me.   Hey Bush stunk in his second term but our current president is a Muslim socialist that is destroying America.   Sadly, it doesn't appear that the Republicans have anyone capable of making the changes that need to happen.   America needs great leadership today more than ever.


You want to fix a lot of problems?

End the Drug war which includes the outrageous pandering of the pharmaceutical industry.
Downsize the central government with more local and state control.
Drastically change the current directives of Public education. No child left behind?  Ridiculous!
Compromise does not work with Muslim terrorists.
Secure the US borders
Clean up our immigration policy which is a total joke in its administering.
Quit giving large corporate America welfare breaks and focus on helping the small businessman.
Get rid of Obama Care
Go full in on both Natural Gas and Coal for our energy needs. eliminate ethanol from corn at the gasoline pump. abhorrent waste of money!  Why not more natural gas vehicles?

We need a government that serves us not themselves.

Get most of the democratic party and  Rino republicans out of the government.

Revise our policemen of the world policies with the military.


Oh and finally a rebirth of "Sticks and Stones will break my bones but names will never hurt me"..

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« #58 : June 28, 2013, 12:58:23 PM »

gold tumbling....wall street casino..fixed income a joke....401k plans with few options................we're f..ked.

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« #59 : June 28, 2013, 04:55:42 PM »

gold tumbling....wall street casino..fixed income a joke....401k plans with few options................we're f..ked.

Like the stock market Gold has been over bought and was in bubble mode and it burst.  Hasn't happened yet in the stock market but this correction could be the start.   We will soon see the results of a nation being sold the socialist bill of goods.
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