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« : May 06, 2013, 08:01:26 PM »

William Ayers says Weather Underground, Boston bombings not same
Published May 06, 2013
FoxNews.com

Bill Ayers, the 1960s radical who went on to become a college professor and associate of President Obama, said Saturday the bombings he helped the Weather Underground carry out to protest the Vietnam War bear no resemblance to the deadly Boston Marathon attack - and glossed over the fact that his group's bombs killed three fellow terrorists and have been linked to the murder of a San Francisco police officer.

“How different is the shooting in Connecticut from shooting at a hunting range?” Ayers told a reporter who asked him to compare the incidents after Ayers spoke at a commemoration of the 1970 incident at Kent State University, where Ohio National Guard members killed four students during a protest. “Just because they use the same thing, there’s no relationship at all.”
“Mr. Ayers’ latest rant is beneath contempt or comment.”

Ayers went on to accuse Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., who spent five years in a POW camp, of murdering civilians in the war, lament the deaths of two fellow Weather Underground members – skipping over the fact that they blew themselves up while trying to make bombs – and painted his actions as a heroic bid to end U.S. involvement in Vietnam. Ayers was the keynote speaker at the event, which drew an estimated 350 people on the university’s Commons, according to the Akron Beacon Journal. But it was after Ayers made his prepared remarks that he bristled over a possible comparison of terrorist acts separated by more than four decades.

“To conflate a group of fundamentalist people [in Boston] who are nihilistic in some way with a group of people who spent their lives trying to oppose the murder of 6,000 people a week … and still the killing went on. And still the killing went on. What would you have done?” Ayers said. “There’s no equivalence [with Boston]. Property damage. That’s what we did.”
John Murtagh, who was 9 years old when his father, a New York judge, presided over the trial of members of the Black Panther Party accused of a plot to bomb New York landmarks and department stores, blames the Weather Underground for setting three gasoline-filled firebombs at his boyhood home while the family slept. Two were placed at the front door and the third under the gas tank of the family car.

The bombs only managed to damage the car and destroy a snowman the little boy had built a few days earlier, but Murtagh, now an attorney, said the Weather Underground’s intentions were to kill, whether they succeeded or not.

“The notion that Bill Ayers and the Weather Underground were about property damage – like they were egging cars on Halloween -- is absurd,” Murtagh said. “The only difference between Bill Ayers and the Tsarnaev brothers is that [Ayers] was incompetent, apparently.”

It was not clear if Ayers sees the difference between bombings he and his associates carried out and the April 15 attack by brothers Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev as one of intent or outcome. Although no one was killed in the bombings of NYPD headquarters, the Pentagon and the U.S. Capitol building between 1970 and 1972, Ayers’ then-girlfriend Diana Oughton, pal Terry Robbins and fellow Weather Underground member Ted Gold were all killed when a bomb they were making in a Greenwich Village townhouse exploded. That bomb, which was packed with nails similar to the pressure cooker bombs used to kill three and injure more than 200 at the Boston Marathon, was intended for use on newly drafted soldiers at Fort Dix, according to authorities.

“No one knows for sure but I think they were. And had they carried it out it would have been a catastrophe,” Ayers said. “But they didn’t and it didn’t happen. But what did happen is, on that same day John McCain murdered civilians. Do we have any responsibility for that? Should there be any reconciliation for that? Should he tell the truth about it?”

Brian Rogers, communications director for McCain, the five-term senator and former Navy aviator who spent more than half a decade as a prisoner of war after being shot down over Vietnam, refused to respond to Ayers’ comments.

“Mr. Ayers’ latest rant is beneath contempt or comment,” Rogers told FoxNews.com.

Larry Grathwohl, the FBI informant who infiltrated the terrorist group and later wrote the 1976 book “Bringing Down America,” said he Ayers told him personally that fellow Weather Underground member and future wife Bernadine Dohrn set the bomb that killed San Francisco Park Police Sgt. Brian McDonnell in 1970.

“Bill Ayers told me in Buffalo that we weren’t doing enough bombings and strategic sabotages,” Grathwohl told FoxNews.com. “He complained that it was a sad situation when [Dohrn] had to plan and place the bomb at the San Francisco Park Police station.”

Grathwohl said the bomb used in San Francisco and the ones that killed the three Weather Underground members when it exploded prematurely were all packed with roofing nails and fence staples and designed to kill as many people as possible.

Ayers retired in 2010 from his post as a professor of education at the University of Illinois-Chicago. Prior to his career in academia, he was a fugitive for years for his role with the Weather Underground until surrendering in 1980. Charges against him were dropped because of government misconduct. His ties to President Obama have been in dispute since becoming a campaign issue during the 2008 presidential race, though it is known he served with Obama on a Chicago charity's board.


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« #1 : May 06, 2013, 09:49:48 PM »

This guy wasn't an Obama "supporter", he was a mentor.  And still an adviser.

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« #2 : May 06, 2013, 10:19:33 PM »

You might be more accurate 'doc.  I was thinking Barry had graduated to where the murderer's husband would be simply a supporter at this time. 

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« #3 : May 07, 2013, 03:38:00 PM »

This guy wasn't an Obama "supporter", he was a mentor.  And still an adviser.

I thought he was someone who "just happened" to live in the same neighborhood?

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« #4 : May 07, 2013, 07:13:41 PM »

This guy wasn't an Obama "supporter", he was a mentor.  And still an adviser.

I thought he was someone who "just happened" to live in the same neighborhood?
Some who help others write their autobiography are closer than others perhaps.  Or they joke about it. 

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« #5 : May 08, 2013, 10:38:41 PM »

Geez - piling on....

When Terrorists Deny Each Other
By ANDREW CLINE on 5.7.13 @ 6:10AM

Why would Bill Ayers disown the Tsarnaevs?

Had Dzhokhar Tsarnaev paid attention in history class, he might have learned something useful for any domestic American terrorist: if caught, claim solidarity with the American left.
No American institution is a safe haven for Islamist terrorists. As sympathetic as the hard left might be to the anti-Americanism of bin Laden’s disciples, the instinct for self-preservation is powerful enough to mute the embrace, even in the halls of academia. Just ask Ward Churchill.

But declare one’s bombs to be small acts of civil disobedience in the furtherance of socialism and anti-imperialism, and one might just find an endowed chair, or at least an adjunct professorship, from which to preach the good word until retirement. Just ask Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn.

Ayers, the former Weather Underground co-founder who proudly led his organization in the successful bombings of dozens of American targets, including the U.S. Capitol, Pentagon, and State Department, on Saturday distanced himself from his tactical and ideological cousins, the Tsarnaevs. It was a clumsy deceit, easily disproven.

“I get asked about violence when what I did was some destruction of property to issue a scream and cry against an illegal war in which 6,000 people a week are being killed,” the Akron Beacon-Journal reported Ayers as saying in response to a reporter’s question. “Six thousand a week being killed and I destroyed some property. Show me the equivalence. You should ask John McCain that question.… I’m against violence.

“To conflate a group of fundamentalist people [in Boston] who are nihilistic in some way with a group of people who spent their lives trying to oppose the murder of 6,000 people a week… and still the killing went on. And still the killing went on. What would you have done? There’s no equivalence [with Boston]. Property damage. That’s what we did.”

Nihilists? Hardly. The Tsarnaevs by all accounts were run-of-the-mill Islamist terrorists. Dzhokhar Tsarnaev said they were self-radicalized Islamists who were motivated to bomb the Boston Marathon by the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. Bill Ayers, a retired professor of education, surely knows that radical Islamists are the polar opposite of nihilists.

For those unfamiliar with the term, Merriam-Webster defines nihilism as: “a: a viewpoint that traditional values and beliefs are unfounded and that existence is senseless and useless. B: a doctrine that denies any objective ground of truth and especially of moral truths.”

Why would Ayers describe the Boston bombers as the exact opposite of what they were? Because to admit the truth would be to admit that they are Ayers’ ideological kin. Ayers believes that terror for the purpose of protesting war is noble. He said Americans were murdering people in Vietnam. He still believes that his bombings were a justified and honorable means of trying to end what he viewed as murder. (Strangely, he accused John McCain of murdering people in 1970 — when McCain was a prisoner of war.)

How was Ayers’ motivation different from the Tsarnaevs’? Both detonated bombs on American soil to protest American wars. Is the difference in the death toll? The Tsarnaevs killed three people. The Weather Underground’s bombs killed… three people. Well, at least three. Those were the Weather Underground members who blew themselves up in Greenwich Village in 1970 while making nail-laden bombs intended for a U.S. Army dance hall. Brian McDonnell, a San Francisco Police sergeant, was killed when a bomb exploded at the city’s police headquarters in February of 1970. That bombing has never been solved, but su**CENSORED**ion has long fallen on the Weather Underground, which detonated a bomb at New York City Police headquarters four months later. Then there were the two police officers and Brinks security guard killed in a 1981 armed robbery by members of the Black Liberation Front and Weather Underground. Driving the getaway car was outlaw Weather Underground member Kathy Boudin, last seen fleeing the Greenwich Village apartment that exploded in 1970 when her friends (including Bill Ayers’ girlfriend at the time) accidentally detonated the bomb they had intended for U.S. soldiers. But to be charitable, let’s call it a tie.

After the Greenwich Village explosion, the Weather Underground would call in warnings before detonating their bombs, which is why they killed so few people. So their lethality dropped when the most militant members were killed. Score a point for Ayers & Co. for switching to blowing up buildings while hoping — but not guaranteeing — that innocents would not be killed. Terrorism with a twinge of conscience is still terrorism.

Nonetheless, Ayers and the Tsarnaevs chose to protest war through terrorism. The comparison is no less true for Ayers having rejected it. He would be further annoyed if someone pointed out to him that he is also ideologically related to Olympic Park bomber Eric Rudolph. Remember Rudolph? He was the anti-abortion radical who blew up two abortion clinics and a lesbian night club and detonated a bomb at the 1996 Olympic Games in Atlanta. He sounded downright Ayersesque when he said his bombings were justified because “Abortion is murder. And when the regime in Washington legalized, sanctioned and legitimized this practice, they forfeited their legitimacy and moral authority to govern.”

Terrorists always try to justify their violence by tying it to a grand cause. But justifying is easier in America when one can find refuge in the warm embrace of actual nihilists, socialists and other fashionable “ists” of academe. Eric Rudolph, a deranged right-wing kook, never had that privilege. Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, an Islamist terrorist, never will. But Bill Ayers? He is a retired professor of education who landed a plum job at the University of Illinois-Chicago. His wife, Bernadine Dohrn, was on the FBI’s 10 Most Wanted list. She is a law professor at Northwestern University School of Law and former director of Northwestern’s Children and Family Justice Center. Kathy Boudin, who served 22 years for her role in the murders of three men, is director of the Criminal Justice Initiative: Supporting Children, Families, and Communities at the Columbia University School of Social Work.

Politically speaking, the Tsarnaev brothers’ mistake was in not being sophisticated enough to proclaim themselves leftists rather than Islamists. Granted, they also picked the wrong target. The Pentagon would have been better for their academic careers. Who knows, had they been more savvy they might have been played by Robert Redford and Shia LaBeouf and written of fondly in the Nation. Instead, they’ll forever be remembered as the terrorists they are, which all terrorists of all political leanings deserve.

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« #6 : May 09, 2013, 07:41:49 AM »

This guy wasn't an Obama "supporter", he was a mentor.  And still an adviser.

But he was not a "fan" .

What is your point? I was wrong? Ok. You win. I was wrong.

           
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