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#45 : May 12, 2013, 10:22:36 PM

No one is debating the fact that he has underachieved on an epic scale.  As of now, though, he represents a definite upgrade at the QB position, and if he plays at around the same level that he has the last few years, that team should be competitive.

Well there is the thing.  Is Alex Smith really an upgrade over Cassell or Brady Quinn. I don't think so.

Damn. Then we will agree to disagree there, man. I definitely don't believe that Cassel or Quinn could ever play how Smith played at times in that 2011 season..especially the divisional round game vs. the Saints. There is no question in my mind that he is. It isn't a championship upgrade, up an upgrade nonetheless.

My only point is there is not much difference between the 3.    Cassell actually has a higher career QB rating than Alex Smith
 

Matt Cassell                 80.3    QB rating

Brady Quinn                 64.4  QB rating

Alex Smith                    79.1   QB rating

That singular stat doesn't accurately paint a picture of where those QBs stand today in their careers...

Freeman is at 79.8, is he worse than Cassel?

If you are just going to use QB rating, Smith in the last two years is at 90.7 and 104.1. Does that mean mean more than what he did his first three years of sub-80 QB rating? I would say so.

Well , we are back to my origanal point,   the Harbough effect.

..and back to mine. Will he magically forget the teachings of Harbaugh? I highly highly doubt Cassel or Quin would have been able to do what Smith did in 2011 and 2012.


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#46 : May 12, 2013, 10:22:43 PM

He seems pretty confident the 2-14 Chiefs will be playoff bound.

I definitely see them competing for a wild card spot.



I don't have as much confidence in Alex Smith as some do.  What has he ever done in his 7 or 8 years in the league?  His best year was under Harbough, and now he is gone from there.  Dude has a 79 career QB rating.  Maybe he turns into Tom Brady under Big Andy, but I have my doubts.

If he plays like he did the last season and a half, it should at least keep them completing. The have a pretty solid squad around him. They won't win a title or even a playoff game with Smith, but he will be so much better than Quinn/Cassel/etc.

I think Reid does a good job with that team this year.



The last season and a half is the Harbough effect.  He is really good with QB's. I can see them being improved, but playoffs?   PLAYOFFS ?

So will he now forget everything Harbaugh taught him? I don't know if I would put money on them going to the playoffs or anything, but even having an average QB will make them much more competitive than they were last year. Also, with the talent they have acquired over past few years and then getting, what should be, better coaching in 2013....All I'm saying is, I wouldn't be surprised if they grabbed a WC spot.




Smith reminds me of the USC QB's that get all the love  coming out of there to the draft.  Then they fall flat on their face in the NFL.

Now I see in this thread people calling him, game manager, average QB, system QB.

Man... the dude was the #1 pick in the draft. I would think he would have a higher ceiling than average QB.

The Niners gambled on the dude, but a better choice would of been Aaron Rodgers.

If the 49ers got Rodgers, we would have jumped all over Alex Smith and reigned supreme in mediocrity. Maybe just enough to win a few playoff games and still have Gruden etching along ever so slowly. Then we sign Brees.





Interesting theory.   And I sure as hell am glad it never went down that way.

we drafted a mediocre RB..... whats the difference??



Easy to correct a mistaken  RB selection.

You draft a QB high, you are pretty much married to him.  At least for the duration of the rookie contract.   Unless he is total F-up like Jamarcus for instance.

But having a mediocre QB is a killer.  He may not be so bad that you cut him.  But not good enough to invest future dollars in.   Your in limbo, kind of like we are now with #5.

Its almost better if the guy totally sucks, or is pro bowl material.   At least you know where you stand.  Mediocrity sucks.


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#47 : May 12, 2013, 10:28:29 PM

No one is debating the fact that he has underachieved on an epic scale.  As of now, though, he represents a definite upgrade at the QB position, and if he plays at around the same level that he has the last few years, that team should be competitive.

Well there is the thing.  Is Alex Smith really an upgrade over Cassell or Brady Quinn. I don't think so.

Damn. Then we will agree to disagree there, man. I definitely don't believe that Cassel or Quinn could ever play how Smith played at times in that 2011 season..especially the divisional round game vs. the Saints. There is no question in my mind that he is. It isn't a championship upgrade, up an upgrade nonetheless.

My only point is there is not much difference between the 3.    Cassell actually has a higher career QB rating than Alex Smith
 

Matt Cassell                 80.3    QB rating

Brady Quinn                 64.4  QB rating

Alex Smith                    79.1   QB rating

That singular stat doesn't accurately paint a picture of where those QBs stand today in their careers...

Freeman is at 79.8, is he worse than Cassel?

If you are just going to use QB rating, Smith in the last two years is at 90.7 and 104.1. Does that mean mean more than what he did his first three years of sub-80 QB rating? I would say so.

Well , we are back to my origanal point,   the Harbough effect.

..and back to mine. Will he magically forget the teachings of Harbaugh? I highly highly doubt Cassel or Quin would have been able to do what Smith did in 2011 and 2012.




I hear ya man.  But maybe he is the type that needs a QB coach on him at all times. Harbough was on him 24/7.   Is he going to have that in KC ?

The dude is pretty smart.  I think he aced the wonderlic  IIRC..     But after 8 years in the league, if doesn't have "it" by now,  will it ever happen.


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#48 : May 12, 2013, 10:45:51 PM

Depends on what you look at as "it"...

Championship "it"? Nope.
Elite "it"? Nope.
Better than Cassel/Quinn "it"? I'd say so.
lol.

Neither one of us thinks that he belongs anywhere near the top QB range, but we just disagree how far down he is. I would say he is around the 20ish range in the rankings of QBs and would be the best option on the Jags, Cardinals, Bills, Jets, Chiefs, Raiders, Titans, Browns, and Dolphins in 2013, IMO. I dont think Cassel or Quinn would be worthy of starting on any of those teams I named.


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#49 : May 12, 2013, 10:51:53 PM

Depends on what you look at as "it"...

Championship "it"? Nope.
Elite "it"? Nope.
Better than Cassel/Quinn "it"? I'd say so.
lol.

Neither one of us thinks that he belongs anywhere near the top QB range, but we just disagree how far down he is. I would say he is around the 20ish range in the rankings of QBs and would be the best option on the Jags, Cardinals, Bills, Jets, Chiefs, Raiders, Titans, Browns, and Dolphins in 2013, IMO. I dont think Cassel or Quinn would be worthy of starting on any of those teams I named.






About the only one I would question in your list, is Tannehill.  He quietly had a pretty nice season last year.  Now he has Mike Wallace.


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#50 : May 13, 2013, 10:49:46 AM

From the NFL Media research team: The Buccaneers were the heartbreak kids in 2012, with seven of their nine losses coming by eight points or less. They had the lead in the fourth quarter in four of those games...

Soooo close.
Where I come from it's called "choking"!  Losing by 40 or 1 point goes in the same loss column.  The only time having the lead really matters is at the final whistle.  We have to win the close games to make the playoffs.  Here's hoping!!!
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