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#90 : May 25, 2013, 08:52:31 PM

Chutzpah, indeed.

I wonder if good ole' Ron Paul would consider calling for a flat tax and militarizing our border to be "nuanced" Libertarian positions? LOL at the buffoonery!

Paul is in favor of flat tax    http://www.ronpaul.com/on-the-issues/taxes/

Seems to also agree with my stance on immigration as well

http://www.issues2000.org/tx/Ron_Paul_Immigration.htm


As others have stated you clearly have a very conflicted and inaccurate viewpoint on Libertarians. 

Did you take the test?   What was your leaning?

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#91 : May 26, 2013, 12:28:59 AM

Chutzpah, indeed.

I wonder if good ole' Ron Paul would consider calling for a flat tax and militarizing our border to be "nuanced" Libertarian positions? LOL at the buffoonery!

Paul is in favor of flat tax    http://www.ronpaul.com/on-the-issues/taxes/

The link you posted cites Paul referencing other people calling for a flat tax as being evidence that the current tax code is unpopular. It never says that he himself supports the flat tax.

Paul is not in favor of the flat tax because the flat tax is simply a single percentage tax on all income, and Paul is fundementally opposed to income being taxed at all.

Seems to also agree with my stance on immigration as well

http://www.issues2000.org/tx/Ron_Paul_Immigration.htm

Well I'm not sure what Paul said about increasing border security in the election, but he systematically voted against it while in the House. Could be because he was opposed to some rider or amendment attached to those bills each time they came up, or it could be because a militarized border is at odds with the NAP associated with his belief in voluntaryism. Paul's primary solution to immigration seems to be focused on eliminating the incentives, and additional security being little more than a secondary mention.

As others have stated you clearly have a very conflicted and inaccurate viewpoint on Libertarians. 

My views on libertarians isn't conflicted at all, nor is it inaccurate. If there is any conflict as to what libertarianism is, it lies among libertarians themselves.

Did you take the test?   What was your leaning?

I did not. I don't really need the Nolan Chart to tell me what I am. I already know that. Plus the chart typically provides biased results. It's aim is to tell you what your political classification is using Libertarian created critera to provide the results. Not interested.


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#92 : May 26, 2013, 08:19:24 AM

Many libertarians do want a flat tax, and Paul has said he would vote for any plan that reduces taxes,  so im sure he'd welcome a flat tax over what we currently have.

Nuance,  comrade. The world is more shades of gray than black and white. Libertarians aren't robots who agree 100% on every issue and how to fix it,   no more than you and your fellow communists do.

What is your point? I was wrong? Ok. You win. I was wrong.

           

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#93 : May 26, 2013, 09:59:33 AM

Libertarians aren't robots who agree 100% on every issue

when its an issues CBW wants to support, nuance is the flavor of the day, when against, black and white

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#94 : May 26, 2013, 03:31:43 PM

Good points Dolorous and Vin..

Libertarians are not like the normal Republican and Democrat sheep that have ruined this country.
: May 26, 2013, 03:33:33 PM Runole

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#95 : May 26, 2013, 03:37:31 PM

Chutzpah, indeed.

I wonder if good ole' Ron Paul would consider calling for a flat tax and militarizing our border to be "nuanced" Libertarian positions? LOL at the buffoonery!

Paul is in favor of flat tax    http://www.ronpaul.com/on-the-issues/taxes/

The link you posted cites Paul referencing other people calling for a flat tax as being evidence that the current tax code is unpopular. It never says that he himself supports the flat tax.

Paul is not in favor of the flat tax because the flat tax is simply a single percentage tax on all income, and Paul is fundementally opposed to income being taxed at all.

Seems to also agree with my stance on immigration as well

http://www.issues2000.org/tx/Ron_Paul_Immigration.htm

Well I'm not sure what Paul said about increasing border security in the election, but he systematically voted against it while in the House. Could be because he was opposed to some rider or amendment attached to those bills each time they came up, or it could be because a militarized border is at odds with the NAP associated with his belief in voluntaryism. Paul's primary solution to immigration seems to be focused on eliminating the incentives, and additional security being little more than a secondary mention.

As others have stated you clearly have a very conflicted and inaccurate viewpoint on Libertarians. 

My views on libertarians isn't conflicted at all, nor is it inaccurate. If there is any conflict as to what libertarianism is, it lies among libertarians themselves.

Did you take the test?   What was your leaning?

I did not. I don't really need the Nolan Chart to tell me what I am. I already know that. Plus the chart typically provides biased results. It's aim is to tell you what your political classification is using Libertarian created critera to provide the results. Not interested.


You clearly do not understand libertarians by your commentary.  JMO but I believe many have you pegged correctly as a total socialist that wants DA GOVMENT TO TAKE care OF YA all on the back of the tax paying public. You have some unmitigated gall to act like you speak for Ron Paul beliefs.
: May 26, 2013, 03:39:54 PM Runole

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#96 : May 26, 2013, 05:56:35 PM

Many libertarians do want a flat tax, and Paul has said he would vote for any plan that reduces taxes,  so im sure he'd welcome a flat tax over what we currently have.

Nuance,  comrade. The world is more shades of gray than black and white. Libertarians aren't robots who agree 100% on every issue and how to fix it,   no more than you and your fellow communists do.

I support single-payer universal health care. Were I in congress at the time, I would have voted for the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, as piecemeal  and Republican-influenced as it is, over not getting any kind of health plan passed, but that doesn't mean that that's what I want to see in place. It just means that it was either that or nothing, and nothing was not an option.

The fact that Paul would vote for any bill that lowered taxes isn't the same as him supporting the flat tax. What would be the same is if he said that he supported the flat tax. He never has.

On November 20, 2008 Ron Paul said in a New York Times / Freakonomics interview:

    I want to abolish the income tax, but I dont want to replace it with anything."


That seems pretty clear cut to me. I'm sure that won't stop you from attributing any "nuance" to it that you deem sufficient to preserve your asinine assertions, though.
: May 26, 2013, 06:10:57 PM CBWx2


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#97 : May 26, 2013, 06:04:17 PM

You clearly do not understand libertarians by your commentary. 

What do Republicans call so called Republicans that vote to raise taxes and support social programs? R.I.N.O.'s I believe it is? Republicans in name only? What do you think Libertarians call other Libertarians that support what they classify as government coercion? Do a little research. Shouldn't be too hard to find out.

JMO but I believe many have you pegged correctly as a total socialist that wants DA GOVMENT TO TAKE care OF YA all on the back of the tax paying public.

I wouldn't say that I'm a total socialist. Mostly socialist is probably more accurate.

You have some unmitigated gall to act like you speak for Ron Paul beliefs.

I'm not acting like I speak for Ron Paul. I'm using his words and his language to show what his true beliefs are. You are using what you personally think he is to suggest what his true beliefs are. I think that takes way more gall than what I'm doing.


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#98 : May 26, 2013, 08:45:37 PM

Many libertarians do want a flat tax, and Paul has said he would vote for any plan that reduces taxes,  so im sure he'd welcome a flat tax over what we currently have.

Nuance,  comrade. The world is more shades of gray than black and white. Libertarians aren't robots who agree 100% on every issue and how to fix it,   no more than you and your fellow communists do.

I support single-payer universal health care. Were I in congress at the time, I would have voted for the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, as piecemeal  and Republican-influenced as it is, over not getting any kind of health plan passed, but that doesn't mean that that's what I want to see in place. It just means that it was either that or nothing, and nothing was not an option.

The fact that Paul would vote for any bill that lowered taxes isn't the same as him supporting the flat tax. What would be the same is if he said that he supported the flat tax. He never has.

On November 20, 2008 Ron Paul said in a New York Times / Freakonomics interview:

    I want to abolish the income tax, but I dont want to replace it with anything."


That seems pretty clear cut to me. I'm sure that won't stop you from attributing any "nuance" to it that you deem sufficient to preserve your asinine assertions, though.


That is even better but I believe Paul would be in favor of a flat tax but perhaps there is no need for an income tax.  Judging how the IRS operates today  the faster we get rid of that criminal element the better off the US will.   Their history with US citizens paying their taxes has been an abomination.

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#99 : May 26, 2013, 08:51:13 PM

You clearly do not understand libertarians by your commentary. 

What do Republicans call so called Republicans that vote to raise taxes and support social programs? R.I.N.O.'s I believe it is? Republicans in name only? What do you think Libertarians call other Libertarians that support what they classify as government coercion? Do a little research. Shouldn't be too hard to find out.

JMO but I believe many have you pegged correctly as a total socialist that wants DA GOVMENT TO TAKE care OF YA all on the back of the tax paying public.

I wouldn't say that I'm a total socialist. Mostly socialist is probably more accurate.

You have some unmitigated gall to act like you speak for Ron Paul beliefs.

I'm not acting like I speak for Ron Paul. I'm using his words and his language to show what his true beliefs are. You are using what you personally think he is to suggest what his true beliefs are. I think that takes way more gall than what I'm doing.
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You obviously have never attended a Libertarian party meeting like I have several times.  You are entitled to your opinion on Ron Paul but I believe you are making far too many false assumptions  and interpretations on the man.


Well I guess you get a RED STAR for admitting you are a socialist.   Perhaps Communist is a correct label.   Just don't believe that is what made America the greatest country in the world.  That label is under assault today.

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#100 : May 29, 2013, 12:05:45 PM

I wouldn't say that I'm a total socialist. Mostly socialist is probably more accurate.




Well at least you are VASTLY more honest than Obama or most of Congress


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#101 : May 29, 2013, 12:17:22 PM

Well since I have attended several libertarian party meetings what in my many opinions on several issues are not primarily libertarian in nature?

I readily admit that pure Libertarianism is an impossibility but whenever I take the following test .....

http://www.nolanchart.com/survey.php

I scored Libertarian with the star above libertarian about 2/3 above the top centrist line.



I scored right on the line between Libertarian and Conservative far to the outer edge.

But I do think the questions/answers were a bit biased. Some of the answers provided were very lengthy were I agreed with part but disagreed with other parts, for instance

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Cut taxes and government spending by 50% or more. This will have an incredibly positive impact on the economy starting at its very lowest and smallest levels. The national debt must be paid down rather than endlessly increased, or we'll soon face national bankruptcy.

I think the 50% number is drastic and I don't think for a second that such cuts would have "an incredibly positive impact on the economy starting at its very lowest and smallest levels". Such cuts would initially have a negative impact, but over time the markets/economy would adjust to an eventual better level.

I also didn't find any of the "Trade and Money" or Social Security answers satisfactory so I had to choose the "least worst" answer.


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#102 : May 29, 2013, 12:50:17 PM

Back on topic....


I have gone to several libertarian party meetings and they do not believe in anarchy.   I also think prostitution should be legal for consenting adults. Don't care one way or another as far as gay marriage.  Believe in mandatory birth control if you are getting welfare.

Okay that is definitely NOT Libertarian...but I like it. If you can't provide for yourself and your existing dependents, you sure as hell shouldn't have more children until you improve your situation to a point where you no longer need any help.


I believe we need less of the two principle problems today.  Too much corporate influence on the government and too much national government involved with things that should be handled at the local level.

I consider myself a libertarian. I don't believe we need an income tax and should just have a flat tax.

A flat tax IS an Income Tax

Now a National Sales Tax is a completely different animal.




  I believe all drugs should be taxed and regulated. As to illicit drugs it will still be against the law to sell unless registered just like alcohol but for private consumption no rules against that. The secret is to take the ridiculous profit out of the illicit sales.


Now that IS very Libertarian.

I don't agree with "all drugs" though. IMO, MJ should be treated like alcohol, crack and crystal meth should remain illegal, many others should be "by prescription only". But I do think the Federal Govt. should only concern itself with "import/export" of such and leave the street level enforcement to the state and local levels.


 Since the illicit drugs are all plants only costs come from processing.

Huh? what plant is crystal meth made from?  Or Ecstasy?

 

Think the US needs to quit meddling with other countries politics.  Think natural gas should be developed extensively as an energy source for the US. No reason not to other than reducing profits in the oil industry.  Global warming is indeed a fact.

Huh? I'd say it is barely a theory, and one with some really sketchy data behind it.



That it can be controlled by mankind is a huge assumption.   All this carbon footprint stuff is really not the answer if man is indeed responsible.  The ultimate answer lies in Birth Control. The freedom to use baby making as a money maker from the government is outrageous.  If you cant afford them dont have them!!  Again the fundamental problem with Libertarian thought is accountability of being self sufficient and responsible for your actions. Too many in society wish for the government to take care of them and make all their decisions for them.

Think our current president is a card carrying Muslim sympathizer that is taking everything wrong that Bush did economically and making the same mistakes 10 times worse.  Obama is an abomination.    I have no faith in either party or the majority of its leadership. The majority are liars and thieves. "No child left behind"? WHAT A TOTAL JOKE!    Just an excuse for making Student Loan debt larger than all the mortgage and credit card debt combined.
It is absolutely outrageous for the Fed to keep printing money to hold up the stock market.  I believe a crash is coming soon.

You want to fix education? Reward teachers that flunk half their class for not meeting proper standards of proficiency. Inflated graduation rates are obscene.  End the phony drug war. It is an abysmal failure.

So am I an anarchist? I believe the small business man is what made America great.


Not an anarchist, not a pure Libertarian either. I'd say you are an individual with many strong and varied opinions.


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#103 : May 29, 2013, 04:30:43 PM

I am not a total libertarian because I realize that  in its purest form it could never happen.  Very few including myself could live a total libertarian life.   Too many cows out of the barn.

You are correct though some of my strong opinions are not totally libertarian in nature.

Global warming is a fact... its cause is what remains highly speculative and  questionable.  How long it will continue also is up for question.

By illicit I was not referring to anything but the BIG THREE:  COCAINE MJ and Heroin.    One can thank Big Pharma for those other things you mentioned and a few you didn't.

Agree with your thoughts on the issue.  I was referring mostly to a national sales tax on non food items my mistake in the use of the term. 

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#104 : May 29, 2013, 05:22:29 PM

No one is a pure anything except a few ideologues ....it's who you have the most in common with that you associate yourself with.
: May 29, 2013, 05:26:04 PM Fire Mark Dummynik

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