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#15 : May 27, 2013, 09:47:53 PM

IMO, we fired the best HC we had and hired Dungy.

What exactly are you basing this off of?

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#16 : May 27, 2013, 10:02:26 PM

I'm not sure Dungy would make a top 50 list, top 100 for Gruden. Gruden was better suited to be an OC. IMO, we fired the best HC we had and hired Dungy. Schiano will outshine them all in time (Buccaneer coaches).



Sam Wyche the best HC the Bucs ever had?  Maybe I read that wrong.

Given the 6 years Dungy got or the 7 years Gruden got, Wyche would have built a consistent winner, if not a league championship. It's just my opinion. Dungy peaked in '99 and got progressively worse his last two years. Gruden got the team over the hump and then became erratic. John McKay isn't worth mentioning in this conversation. I honestly believe Schiano will outshine them all but Wyche was the most capable to this point IMO.





I actually liked Wyche.    But don't see him in that light.  But I respect your opinion.





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#17 : May 27, 2013, 10:21:05 PM

Wyche had next to nothing to build on.  Getting Nickerson in the first days of free agency was one of the best moves under Culverhouse.

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#18 : May 28, 2013, 12:55:35 PM

IMO, we fired the best HC we had and hired Dungy.

What exactly are you basing this off of?

Wyche's record with the Bengals and drafting Sapp, Lynch, and Brooks. The man had to assemble a team from scratch, and simply wasn't given enough time. He lost two SBs, but at least he got there. It's hardly a disgrace to lose to Walsh and the 'Niners in that era. He may not be an iconic coach like Lombardi or Walsh, but he was the best the Bucs ever had.............again, that's just my opinion.

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#19 : May 28, 2013, 02:14:55 PM

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#20 : May 29, 2013, 12:58:26 AM

IMO, we fired the best HC we had and hired Dungy.

What exactly are you basing this off of?

Wyche's record with the Bengals and drafting Sapp, Lynch, and Brooks. The man had to assemble a team from scratch, and simply wasn't given enough time. He lost two SBs, but at least he got there. It's hardly a disgrace to lose to Walsh and the 'Niners in that era. He may not be an iconic coach like Lombardi or Walsh, but he was the best the Bucs ever had.............again, that's just my opinion.

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#21 : June 03, 2013, 03:14:31 AM

Coughlin did a pretty nice job with the expansion Jags.  Won the division a couple times.  So I think he is deserving

JJ was a helluva HC.    Too bad he and Jerry couldn't get along.  He was in and out of Dallas pretty quick, 4 seasons.   His last 3 seasons there, 3 playoff appearances, 2 Super Bowl wins.   You would think with that record, Jerra would do everything he could to retain him.   I guess Barry Switzer was an upgrade in Jerry's eyes.


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#22 : June 03, 2013, 12:54:00 PM

Has Richard Williamson or Leeman Bennett showed up on the list yet?

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#23 : June 05, 2013, 01:55:23 AM

Landry was a legendary HC, but went downhill towards the end there.  The inventor of the 4-3 defense.


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#24 : June 07, 2013, 02:09:08 AM

Well, at least we know Gruden will be somewhere in the top 5.


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#25 : June 07, 2013, 08:30:08 PM

I'm surprised how high they seem to have Gruden.   Top 5?    I hope they don't have him above Shula.

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#26 : June 08, 2013, 01:06:57 AM

I'm surprised how high they seem to have Gruden.   Top 5?    I hope they don't have him above Shula.




Its a top 20 list, Gruden won't make the list.   He probably wouldn't make a top 50 list.  He could possibly make a top 100 list.   Maybe.


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#27 : June 08, 2013, 07:01:13 AM

I'm surprised how high they seem to have Gruden.   Top 5?    I hope they don't have him above Shula.




Its a top 20 list, Gruden won't make the list.   He probably wouldn't make a top 50 list.  He could possibly make a top 100 list.   Maybe.

You're being generous. He might make the list of top 100 OCs.

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#28 : June 08, 2013, 09:37:43 PM

     The great debate goes on  ;D.

     Landry ought to be high on the list. The year after Lombardi left the Giants as their OC (1959) to become the Packers HC, Landry left his DC position with the Giants to be the first HC of the expansion Dallas Cowboys (1960). In 1966, the 2 ex-Giant assistants were playing for the NFL championship. In 1967, they played again, and I honestly thought the Cowboys had pulled it off when they scored a TD late on a Dan Reeves halfback option pass that totally fooled the Packers. Yep, THAT Dan Reeves; I'm gonna say he learned a LOT of his craft from Mr. Landry, who was a very good delegator... But this was the Ice Bowl, and IMO the greatest driver ever was pulled off with a lot of improvisation from the veteran Packers...

     JMO, but if anyone other than Lombardi is rated over Shula, this whole thing is rigged    ;D
     Interesting comments regarding Mr. Wyche. I remember he kinda had mixed results. I was just then working at becoming a Bucs fan, so don't remember what led to his downfall with the Bucs. Please enlighten me; now I am curious!    8)
 

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#29 : June 08, 2013, 09:49:45 PM

     The great debate goes on  ;D.

     Landry ought to be high on the list. The year after Lombardi left the Giants as their OC (1959) to become the Packers HC, Landry left his DC position with the Giants to be the first HC of the expansion Dallas Cowboys (1960). In 1966, the 2 ex-Giant assistants were playing for the NFL championship. In 1967, they played again, and I honestly thought the Cowboys had pulled it off when they scored a TD late on a Dan Reeves halfback option pass that totally fooled the Packers. Yep, THAT Dan Reeves; I'm gonna say he learned a LOT of his craft from Mr. Landry, who was a very good delegator... But this was the Ice Bowl, and IMO the greatest driver ever was pulled off with a lot of improvisation from the veteran Packers...

     JMO, but if anyone other than Lombardi is rated over Shula, this whole thing is rigged    ;D
     Interesting comments regarding Mr. Wyche. I remember he kinda had mixed results. I was just then working at becoming a Bucs fan, so don't remember what led to his downfall with the Bucs. Please enlighten me; now I am curious!    8)
 







No doubt Landry was a great coach, but he stayed too long.   4 of his last 5 seasons, they missed the playoffs.

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