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#30 : October 04, 2013, 06:18:56 AM

Honestly, Fox News and the right-wing had 3 years to stand their fight against ACA. Somehow, Republicans nominated Willard Mitt Romney as your spokesman against "Obamacare", even though "Obamacare" was built upon Willard's system in Massachusetts. The GOP game plan must be scripted by Comedy Central.

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#31 : October 04, 2013, 07:17:41 AM

 "Servers don't have a set tip % they claim, it is based off of proven credit card tips."

That's called "fraud." I looked it up, and it's just like I said it was, you must claim 8% of sales. It's highly suggested that you claim at least 10 if you don't want to get audited. You must claim 100% of credit card sales because there's a receipt. If you claim 8% of sales and there's a receipt showing you made more than that, you're busted.

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#32 : October 04, 2013, 11:24:25 AM

"Servers don't have a set tip % they claim, it is based off of proven credit card tips."

That's called "fraud." I looked it up, and it's just like I said it was, you must claim 8% of sales. It's highly suggested that you claim at least 10 if you don't want to get audited. You must claim 100% of credit card sales because there's a receipt. If you claim 8% of sales and there's a receipt showing you made more than that, you're busted.
Screw the government. I've lied on my tax return numerous times and only been caught once.


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#33 : October 06, 2013, 12:59:47 PM

Honestly, Fox News and the right-wing had 3 years to stand their fight against ACA. Somehow, Republicans nominated Willard Mitt Romney as your spokesman against "Obamacare", even though "Obamacare" was built upon Willard's system in Massachusetts. The GOP game plan must be scripted by Comedy Central.

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Romneycare has its genesis from the health care alternative to Hillary's in the 90's. 

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#34 : October 12, 2013, 02:08:17 AM

"Servers don't have a set tip % they claim, it is based off of proven credit card tips."

That's called "fraud." I looked it up, and it's just like I said it was, you must claim 8% of sales. It's highly suggested that you claim at least 10 if you don't want to get audited. You must claim 100% of credit card sales because there's a receipt. If you claim 8% of sales and there's a receipt showing you made more than that, you're busted.

I've been in the restaurant business for 7 years, at four restaurants. I've never even heard of the 8% rule. Can you provide evidence, especially for California? The last three restaurants I've worked at, we have automatic tip-share we pay to the bussers/hostesses/bartenders. So when we get stiffed on a table, we actually lose money serving that table. So If I have two awful tables, their bills combine for $400, and they both stiff me, by law I have to declare I made $32? Not buying it without evidence. Sorry to bring this so off-topic.

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#35 : October 12, 2013, 07:20:52 AM

http://www.restaurantowner.com/public/342.cfm
http://www.ehow.com/info_12021486_tip-claiming-waitresses-taxes.html?dmsp=manual
: October 12, 2013, 07:23:26 AM Bucfucious

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#36 : October 15, 2013, 10:22:50 PM

Servers are notorious for filing fraudulent tax returns.  That is a big part of the problem.  I don't mean just servers I mean that the welfare state leads to social issues that will eventually burry all of us.  Call it the Robin Hood mentality.  Whoever the big guy is, be it banks, corporations or Uncle Sam, inevitably the little guys of the world (the 99%) in masse decide it's moral to defraud the big boys.  Just the other day there was mass theft at a Walmart because people with EBT cards figured out that there cards suddenly showed unlimited funds.  We are already so far gone. For example, cheating on tax returns is so common I'm convinced that those who make an effort to file an honest return are laughed at by the majority of people.  Most Americans believe that people making a lot should be taxed more but when asked how much a lot is its usually going to be just a bit more than they make. 

Anyway Bucfucious is absolutely correct and the saddest thing of all is that it's news to people like Wc bucs fan, that all Americans are supposed to report ALL their income.  Its sad and its going to be the reason why progressive,  socialist policies put in place by Obama and the Democrats are going to destroy this county.  Not just because Wcbucfan doesn't report all his income because he already feels he shouldn't pay so much but because soon, almost every American is going to feel that way.  Eventually we will run out of people who feel they should pay.

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#37 : October 15, 2013, 10:27:38 PM

LOL, you're right. Socialist countries, the ones with the highest effective tax rates in the world, are full of people who don't think they should pay taxes.


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#38 : October 16, 2013, 09:31:42 AM

Relax, Comrade, we're quickly becoming the socialist state you dream of. The American Dream has turned from 'the right to make it big on your own' to a sense of entitlement to the gains of those who have made it big.

It's all necessary as part of the larger eight generation epicycle. We have finished the generation of greed and are in the generation of entitlement. When the generation of parasites become to large of a load for the system to bear, we shall enter the generation of strife and turmoil. Afterwards, a generation of people who expect to work hard to survive will start America's rebound circa 2050. World powers China and India will begin their initial declines during this period. The following generation will work hard to improve the lives of their children. Their children will work hard to meet the expectations of their parents. Their children will expect success, it is all they've ever seen. They will raise the generation of greed to complete the cycle.

 The people who run the world will not be affected by any of this.

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#39 : October 16, 2013, 12:02:55 PM

LOL, you're right. Socialist countries, the ones with the highest effective tax rates in the world, are full of people who don't think they should pay taxes.

Funny enough Socialist Countries with the highest effective tax rates have a tendency to have a reputation for having the highest rates of tax fraud as well.  Here is a nice list to compare:

http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2011/11/25/tax-evasion-costs-the-world-3-1-trillion-a-year-more-than-5-of-world-gdp/

In terms of a "shadow" economy, the US is the biggest in sheer volume, but relative to the rest of the economy and GDP it is actually the lowest. Some countries of note known for their Socialist roots or "progressive" tax polices:

Argentina   25.3   
Belgium      21.9   
Brazil      39   
China      12.7   
Colombia   37.3   
Denmark      17.7   
Ecuador      32.4   
Finland      17.7   
France      15   
Germany      16   
Greece      27.5   
Iceland      15.6   
Ireland      15.8   
Italy      27   
Netherlands   13.2   
Norway      18.7   
Portugal   23   
Spain      22.5   
Sweden       18.8   
United Kingdom    12.5   

The US is 8.6%

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#40 : October 16, 2013, 03:41:54 PM

LOL, you're right. Socialist countries, the ones with the highest effective tax rates in the world, are full of people who don't think they should pay taxes.

Funny enough Socialist Countries with the highest effective tax rates have a tendency to have a reputation for having the highest rates of tax fraud as well.  Here is a nice list to compare:

http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2011/11/25/tax-evasion-costs-the-world-3-1-trillion-a-year-more-than-5-of-world-gdp/

In terms of a "shadow" economy, the US is the biggest in sheer volume, but relative to the rest of the economy and GDP it is actually the lowest. Some countries of note known for their Socialist roots or "progressive" tax polices:

Argentina   25.3   
Belgium      21.9   
Brazil      39   
China      12.7   
Colombia   37.3   
Denmark      17.7   
Ecuador      32.4   
Finland      17.7   
France      15   
Germany      16   
Greece      27.5   
Iceland      15.6   
Ireland      15.8   
Italy      27   
Netherlands   13.2   
Norway      18.7   
Portugal   23   
Spain      22.5   
Sweden       18.8   
United Kingdom    12.5   

The US is 8.6%

That is very interesting but I think is more focused on Tax shelters which are usually used by the wealthy or at least well off.  Anyway, I think that also helps make the point that the "Rich jerks" everyone hates so much will also figure out even more ways not to pay taxes as we become more socialist. 

I'm talking about a much more difficult to track down phenomenon which has more to do with a large percentage of the population seeing paying taxes as an opportunity to collect a check.  Many of these check collectors have also figured out how to "Maximize" well intended credits like EIC to collect as much as possible on an annual basis.  IRS audits at VERY low percentages under a certain income.   I'm not only talking about people who get the earned income credit every year,  I'm also talking about a profession like Waiting tables in which if a true percentage of how many report all income could be determined I am confident that it would be negligible.  I don't think the problem is really misinformation it more likely has to do with a loss of morality enforced by the class warfare that the welfare state helps to create.    This doesn't only go for tip earning employees like wait staff it also goes for many small business owners many of whom happen to live quite nicely while showing little to no profit.  If you want to know who to feel sorry for in our current state, it's the low wage earner who isn't tipped.  Being a left leaner, I'm sure WCbucfan just doesn't understand how he's basically robbing the dishwasher working in the back because that guy is reporting all his income while people with probably more disposable income are deciding to keep more. 


WCbucfan, you do have to report all your income.  You should keep a log and report your actual tips, nobody is trying to say you should report tips you didn't make but there is no such thing as 8% when you probably averaged around 15%.   You may get away with reporting 8% but that is not the law.     

If you need proof try this:  If you are audited, tell the auditor you made 8% of receipts in tips. They probably won't bat an eyelash or care.... now in your next breath tell them that you really made almost 20% of receipts in tips but used 8% because some waiter told you it was ok and see how quickly they write you up a bill.  Plus they made their quota without having to work very hard.  We know government employees like that.
: October 16, 2013, 04:03:46 PM jbear

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#41 : October 16, 2013, 04:17:30 PM

Relax, Comrade, we're quickly becoming the socialist state you dream of.

No we aren't. Not even close. The "socialist country that I dream of" died during the 80's, and we've been a clusterf*ck of a country ever since. As much as you and your ilk like to blame socialism for all the nation's ills, the fact is that while the other nations that adapted New Deal economic principles post WWII have built upon that legacy, the US has chosen to drift further and further away from it. The current situation we are in has nothing to do with "socialism", and if you think that Barack Obama is a socialist, then you really have no clue.


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#42 : October 16, 2013, 04:22:28 PM

LOL, you're right. Socialist countries, the ones with the highest effective tax rates in the world, are full of people who don't think they should pay taxes.

Funny enough Socialist Countries with the highest effective tax rates have a tendency to have a reputation for having the highest rates of tax fraud as well.  Here is a nice list to compare:

http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2011/11/25/tax-evasion-costs-the-world-3-1-trillion-a-year-more-than-5-of-world-gdp/

In terms of a "shadow" economy, the US is the biggest in sheer volume, but relative to the rest of the economy and GDP it is actually the lowest. Some countries of note known for their Socialist roots or "progressive" tax polices:

Argentina   25.3   
Belgium      21.9   
Brazil      39   
China      12.7   
Colombia   37.3   
Denmark      17.7   
Ecuador      32.4   
Finland      17.7   
France      15   
Germany      16   
Greece      27.5   
Iceland      15.6   
Ireland      15.8   
Italy      27   
Netherlands   13.2   
Norway      18.7   
Portugal   23   
Spain      22.5   
Sweden       18.8   
United Kingdom    12.5   

The US is 8.6%

What I see here, is no real correlation between tax rate and tax fraud. These numbers are all over the place in relation to the effective tax rate in each of these countries. Columbia, for example, is the second highest on your list, and it is a bastion of economic liberalism. Brazil is the highest, and it isn't too far of from Columbia in terms of it's recent adoption of economic liberal principles.
: October 16, 2013, 04:24:08 PM CBWx2


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#43 : October 16, 2013, 04:33:38 PM

LOL, you're right. Socialist countries, the ones with the highest effective tax rates in the world, are full of people who don't think they should pay taxes.

I do know that one French actor recently defected to Russia because of taxes.  I'm not even going to try to spell his name.

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#44 : October 16, 2013, 05:15:49 PM

LOL, you're right. Socialist countries, the ones with the highest effective tax rates in the world, are full of people who don't think they should pay taxes.

Funny enough Socialist Countries with the highest effective tax rates have a tendency to have a reputation for having the highest rates of tax fraud as well.  Here is a nice list to compare:

http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2011/11/25/tax-evasion-costs-the-world-3-1-trillion-a-year-more-than-5-of-world-gdp/

In terms of a "shadow" economy, the US is the biggest in sheer volume, but relative to the rest of the economy and GDP it is actually the lowest. Some countries of note known for their Socialist roots or "progressive" tax polices:

Argentina   25.3   
Belgium      21.9   
Brazil      39   
China      12.7   
Colombia   37.3   
Denmark      17.7   
Ecuador      32.4   
Finland      17.7   
France      15   
Germany      16   
Greece      27.5   
Iceland      15.6   
Ireland      15.8   
Italy      27   
Netherlands   13.2   
Norway      18.7   
Portugal   23   
Spain      22.5   
Sweden       18.8   
United Kingdom    12.5   

The US is 8.6%

What I see here, is no real correlation between tax rate and tax fraud. These numbers are all over the place in relation to the effective tax rate in each of these countries. Columbia, for example, is the second highest on your list, and it is a bastion of economic liberalism. Brazil is the highest, and it isn't too far of from Columbia in terms of it's recent adoption of economic liberal principles.

You can argue the details, but the point is that when you have a modus operendi of Govt Policies that depend on taxing the population heavily you will see a push back where people find ways to not pay taxes. In the case of the rich, they will find ways of "earning" with less taxes,  or put their money where it cannot be taxed, and with lower income ways to earn money that doesn't pay taxes, or can be manipulated to pay less. There is no single formula or graph that will say this amount of tax results in that amount of "fraud", but when Govt takes large amounts of money, it happens everywhere.

For the most part, human nature is to do/pay their "fair share", but when it forced upon them and impedes their perceived ability to look after their own first (i.e. families), the reaction is for self preservation/interest. There are exceptions of course, but look around, and you will see it. Walmart this weekend is an example IMO.
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