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« #15 : July 03, 2013, 10:40:59 AM »

Good thing we spend our top ten pick, our reward for losing 10 straight games, on a DB that can't cover well.  Being number 1 against the run is so 1995.

Didn't do well against the pass last year, okay we all get it. Don't be foolish and think he's hit his ceiling after one year. Come on bro!
Well this article says the Bucs aren't going to have Barron in coverage as much so they're clearly looking at what he did in 2012 and adjusting accordingly.

FRG is the most logical poster on this board.  You guys just don\'t like where the logical conclusions take you.

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« #16 : July 03, 2013, 10:41:56 AM »

I think we have a ton of three safety looks this year with Goldson and Tandy/Black playing deep, and Barron closer to the line
Honest question. If you put a run stuffing SS up to the line, then why give up the supposedly better coverage a CB provides in favor of a third safety?

i hear you that in the perfect world you'd rather have CBs on your nickle or dime but reality is that our coners are so bad that they make our safeties look like all world cover safties..i'm not too high on Tandy don't really know much about him but i know Black came to play last year and stepped up when for what it was worth. hopefully Tandy can do the same

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« #17 : July 03, 2013, 10:57:16 AM »

This makes a ton of sense. Barron was primarily a in the box defender at Alabama. Ronde last year played that roll as Safety because he was to much of a liability in Coverage. That why he was moved to Safety because he couldn't play CB adequately.

This should be a breakout season for Barron seeing as he will be playering a position he is more suited for.

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« #18 : July 03, 2013, 11:01:37 AM »

This makes a ton of sense. Barron was primarily a in the box defender at Alabama. Ronde last year played that roll as Safety because he was to much of a liability in Coverage. That why he was moved to Safety because he couldn't play CB adequately.

This should be a breakout season for Barron seeing as he will be playering a position he is more suited for.
So we used a top 10 pick on a DB to stop the run.

FRG is the most logical poster on this board.  You guys just don\'t like where the logical conclusions take you.

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« #19 : July 03, 2013, 11:11:39 AM »

i think you guys assume too much already about how barron will be used and what his capabilities really are.

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« #20 : July 03, 2013, 11:15:09 AM »

This makes a ton of sense. Barron was primarily a in the box defender at Alabama. Ronde last year played that roll as Safety because he was to much of a liability in Coverage. That why he was moved to Safety because he couldn't play CB adequately.

This should be a breakout season for Barron seeing as he will be playering a position he is more suited for.
So we used a top 10 pick on a DB to stop the run.
You really think that he has already reached his ceiling?

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« #21 : July 03, 2013, 11:17:25 AM »

I think it depends on the odds the defensive staff think the offense is going to run the ball, where they think they might run it, and whether Barron can be disguised to be a box defender, etc...

But he is a stout run defender and as his strength, why not utilize as effectively as possible. The additions of a real NFL corner and a stud defender in Goldson allows for more flexibility in how to disguise certain plays. Who would be opposed to Barron playing closer to the line on third and two with Goldson and Revis as your insurance policy? 

Barron has time to grow. Was he a reach?  Sure. But only if he doesn't become a topic if HOF consideration 8 years from now...


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« #22 : July 03, 2013, 11:18:51 AM »

i think you guys assume too much already about how barron will be used and what his capabilities really are.
We're merely following along with the apparent source from the TB Times who says Barron isn't going to be in coverage as much.

FRG is the most logical poster on this board.  You guys just don\'t like where the logical conclusions take you.

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« #23 : July 03, 2013, 11:19:35 AM »

This makes a ton of sense. Barron was primarily a in the box defender at Alabama. Ronde last year played that roll as Safety because he was to much of a liability in Coverage. That why he was moved to Safety because he couldn't play CB adequately.

This should be a breakout season for Barron seeing as he will be playering a position he is more suited for.
So we used a top 10 pick on a DB to stop the run.
You really think that he has already reached his ceiling?
I don't know but apparently the Bucs aren't going to ask as much of him this year so they must be concerned.

FRG is the most logical poster on this board.  You guys just don\'t like where the logical conclusions take you.

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« #24 : July 03, 2013, 11:45:00 AM »

We're merely following along with the apparent source from the TB Times who says Barron isn't going to be in coverage as much.
you are also merely taking every possible chance to bash a pick you didnt like from the getgo.

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« #25 : July 03, 2013, 11:45:55 AM »

This makes a ton of sense. Barron was primarily a in the box defender at Alabama. Ronde last year played that roll as Safety because he was to much of a liability in Coverage. That why he was moved to Safety because he couldn't play CB adequately.

This should be a breakout season for Barron seeing as he will be playering a position he is more suited for.
So we used a top 10 pick on a DB to stop the run.
You really think that he has already reached his ceiling?
I don't know but apparently the Bucs aren't going to ask as much of him this year so they must be concerned.
If they play him the same way the Steelers play Polumalu then is that not asking him to do much?   

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« #26 : July 03, 2013, 11:48:51 AM »

We're merely following along with the apparent source from the TB Times who says Barron isn't going to be in coverage as much.
you are also merely taking every possible chance to bash a pick you didnt like from the getgo.

We did draft an above average safety in the top 10. However, the only better option was Stephon Gilmore and MAYBE Kuechly


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« #27 : July 03, 2013, 12:04:03 PM »

We're merely following along with the apparent source from the TB Times who says Barron isn't going to be in coverage as much.
you are also merely taking every possible chance to bash a pick you didnt like from the getgo.
Not true. I stuck up for Barron when he was drafted and said the Bucs think they're getting an elite two-way player who will be top 5 at his position for a long time and if he can be that player he'll have been worth the pick.

FRG is the most logical poster on this board.  You guys just don\'t like where the logical conclusions take you.

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« #28 : July 03, 2013, 12:06:41 PM »

Several inaccuracies in the OP.



Forced to play out of position in 2012, Barron looks to take steps forward as he plays closer to the line of scrimmage.

Nope.

but out of necessity he played almost exclusively in that role during his rookie season. With a year under his belt, and Ronde Barber retired, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers are looking to give him more opportunities to succeed.
It's a f*cking passing league. Most of the time we are going to be in 2 deep safety coverage and Barron is  always going to have pass coverage responsibility on pass plays, unless he is blitzing/spying the QB. Him being the SS or FS does not change that.

This involves having him play a role more similar to Barber's last year -- up at the line of scrimmage. Barber played there in an effort to extend the aging veteran's ability in a role that limited his need for speed and agility.

Completely false. Barber played back 12-15+ yards off the LOS most of the year. There was 1 game where he played the majority of his snaps up near the LOS...week 17 vs the Falcons.


http://www.pewterreport.com/Boards/index.php/topic,1304750.msg1910521.html#msg1910521

Here is a quick breakdown from this thread on where the safeties lined up in 2012.

Now…for some 2012 percentages.

% of plays where _____ was single high without any other safety help: Barron: 7.1% of the time…or 72 total plays. Barber: 5.5% of the time…or 56 total plays. Black: 3.8% of the time…or 39 total plays
% of plays where _____ was the furthest safety from the LOS: Barron: 21.7% of the time….or 219 total plays. Barber: 22.5% of the time…or 228 plays. Black: 12%...or 123 plays
% of plays where Barron was 2(or 3)deep and the same distance from the LOS as his fellow safety(safeties): Barron: 38% of plays…384 plays.
% of plays where Barron was the closest safety to the LOS or up in the box: 44.1% of plays…445 plays
% of plays where the Bucs only had 1 safety high and at least 1 other safety “in the box”: 16.5%

72 plays out of 1000+ plays where Barron was the single high safety with no help.
As you can see, Barber had more plays where he was the safety furthest from the LOS, not Barron. 228 vs. 219
On 38% of the snaps last year, the safeties were at an equal distance from the LOS...example -
On roughly 44% of the plays last year, Barron was the closest safety to the LOS.

People like to pretend that Barron was hung out to dry last year and was played "out of position".
BS.
He is a safety, and safeties are required to cover. I suggest that we don't buy into crap like what is presented in the OP. Schiano has stated that he looks at both guys as interchangeable and both can play either safety position. Sorry folks, but if you didn't like how Schiano played Barron last year, there isn't going to be much change. You may see him step take a few snaps in the area between the LBs and Safeties with Black and Goldson covering the back half of the field, but it wont be for a large portion of the snaps....and even if this is done, Barron will still have coverage responsibility. So the thought that he is poor in coverage, so we should make him cover, is completely ridiculous. Either you are rushing/spying the QB, or you are covering..period. Zone coverage shouldn't be a huge worry this coming season, but it is a concern when he has to cover TEs one on one. That is where he truly struggled last year. We should see improved play from Barron, but it won't be because the Bucs are using him differently, because they won't.


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« #29 : July 03, 2013, 12:10:03 PM »


So we used a top 10 pick on a DB to stop the run.

Used a top 10 pick on a top 10 player in that draft for a position that there weren't any good players at on the team.
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