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: July 03, 2013, 12:01:48 AM

What do Josh Freeman's deep passes tell us about the Buccaneers quarterback?

By Sander Philipse

on Jul 2 2013, 11:44a

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Josh Freeman's career with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers has been very inconsistent. Not even his deep passing numbers provide us with a solid view of his career.

Football Outsiders' Rivers McCown examined deep passes today. Some McCowns aren't bad quarterbacks. They're good football writers. In any case, McCown looked at players who are really, really bad at throwing deep passes. Surprisingly, two of Josh Freeman's seasons make the list: 2009 and 2011. Not surprisingly the two worst years of his career.

So we come to a table. And tables are always fun, especially so when they deal with DVOA (which is basically an efficiency measurement). Josh Freeman's DVOA by pass length:

Year                          Deep                        Short/Medium
2012                        53.5%                            -4.7%
2011                         0.0%                              9.7%
2010                        73.4%                            30.0%
2009                       -33.3%                           -1.1%

I'm not sure what to make of this, and neither is Rivers McCown. Can you spot a pattern here? Even if you discount 2009, which is probably fair, I can't. Freeman was good on deep balls in 2010 and 2012, but he wasn't in 2011. And he's actually been steadily getting worse at short passes.

Outside of Jackson coming in last year, there hasn't much turnover in Freeman's offense. Mike Williams, Arrelious Benn, and Kellen Winslow were constants in 2010 and 2011. Winslow declined heavily and Dallas Clark wasn't the answer -- is Freeman's large drop in Short DVOA since 2010 all because he has no tight end? Williams said that part of the problem in 2012 was that receivers didn't know when to break their routes off. Is that something that gets fixed?

Talent has something to do with it, probably. We can basically discount 2009 as a cluster**CENSORED** of massive proportions. Freeman had no running game and his top receiver was a gimpy Antonio Bryant who would never play in the NFL again due to knee injuries. Kellen Winslow was pretty good that season, but Freeman had no clue what he was doing. He spent the entire offseason learning one system, and then seeing that scrapped literally two weeks before the regular season started. Nothing about that season was remotely fair to any player.

2010 saw the emergence of a running game based on Legarrette Blount, Kellen Winslow becoming the focal point of the passing attack and Mike Williams doing his best acrobats' impression every Sunday. The fact that Freeman relied heavily on scrambles and plays outside of the structure of the system helped, although in part that success was a result of random chance, too.

In 2011, though, the CBA conflict shortened the offseason, Winslow had clearly lost a step, Blount wasn't the player he was the year before (and added a fumbling problem) and Mike Williams struggled to perform up to the same level, as well. Plus, Freeman simply played worse in many respects.

2012 was relatively successful, but turned messy at the end of the season. Freeman really struggled with his accuracy on short routes, players didn't know their routes -- and yet he was relatively productive. Having Vincent Jackson, Doug Martin and a well-performing Mike Williams helped, but there was no legitimate third receiving option that season and everyone was still learning a new system. Then again, most advanced stats really don't like his 2012 season.

Ultimately, Josh Freeman may be the biggest enigma in the NFL right now. He has all the tools to be a very good quarterback and his coaches are certainly positive. We just don't know if he's going to take that next step. No one does. I hate that kind of conclusion, but it's all we're going to get for now.

Here's another question, and I think it's a valid one: if Josh Freeman does perform well in 2013 and improves on his flaws, can we expect him to continue that going forward? So far his inconsistency has been the one consistent aspect of his game, and Freeman wouldn't be the first quarterback to regress after a good season.

Someone has found a solution for him, though. All he has to do is find himself a celebrity girlfriend.

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#1 : July 03, 2013, 03:41:16 AM

...I would just wreak that lady.

(Back to topic) ...does that mean he has a strong arm?

Seriously, sully's Playbook calls for a lot of that, and it doesn't hurt that he's pretty good at it and the WR's he has can come down with it. Not having a star TE didn't hurt him much, but having guys not knowing their routes and slot receivers dropping passes did. And of course playing "catch-up" doesn't help either.

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#2 : July 03, 2013, 07:09:54 AM

...Not having a star TE didn't hurt him much........

I just don't get it. When he had a "star TE" his short yardage average was better. This shows the consistent pattern of Winslow becoming less effective with age and then losing Winslow and replacing him with Clark. Hence the decline in his short yardage numbers.

A great TE is EXACTLY what Freeman needs to become a great QB. WR's even great ones like we have can't present the mismatches that a great TE can in short yardage situations.  Apparently the entire NFL has figured this out but nobody in Tampa got the memo.

Give Freeman what he needs to succeed! But they won't because it's too easy to read between the lines. Schiano has the hots for the Jolly Green Giant and we are staring another 5 wasted years of rebuilding in the face if Freeman leaves and we get stuck with these two clowns. All because the front office is still half as sing it after all these years.

This team is so close I can almost taste the Championship. We are 3 or 4 players away from becoming serious contenders. Sign McGahee,  trade for a TE and sign Abraham. The options available right now are very weak but would be better than ignoring our weaknesses.

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#3 : July 03, 2013, 07:41:01 AM

It doesnt have to be te. They just need someone who can consistently work the shorter routes. They signed a couple guys to compete at slot. Maybe they see the slot being the target more and continue to use their tes in a balanced role?

Sounds crazy.

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