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#30 : July 05, 2013, 10:04:04 AM

Both Faine snd Ruud were class acts off the field and yeah I get why people might have wanted them replaced but the level many here took it and making it personal made me ashamed to be part of this fan base.

 
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#31 : July 05, 2013, 11:06:54 AM

Chucking the ball deep to a big stud WR is awesome.

But he has been able to do that since day 1. The quality of his WR went through the roof, so that accounts for a good deal. But that is not improvement. That is just mining more of the same with better equipment.

And the franchise numbers thing is nothing to gawk at after a playoff less (yet again), losing (yet again) season. And in comparison to most franchise records, they still pale. Color me unimpressed by the "improvement".

What has he done to IMPROVE?!

maybe he can play defense too...


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#32 : July 05, 2013, 09:10:14 PM

Both Faine snd Ruud were class acts off the field and yeah I get why people might have wanted them replaced but the level many here took it and making it personal made me ashamed to be part of this fan base.



That is great and all, but that doesn't mean they were great football players.


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#33 : July 05, 2013, 09:45:42 PM

What improvements exactly had Free made?

2009. 10:18 TD/INT ratio,  6.40 yards per attempt, QB rating of 59.8
2012:  27:17 TD/INT ratio, 7.29 yards per attempt, QB rating of 81.6


I'm not sure why people think he hasn't improved. He's improved very much. He had a very bad year in 2012 like the entire team did. I think that is why. If you take that year away, for the sake of the conversation, he has gotten better every year.

What I think you mean boid is that Freeman is still Freeman. He hasn't turned into Aaron Rogers over night. He is still good at what he does, deep balls and long throws that require a lot of arm strength. He still is inconsistent, however his periods between his inconsistency are much much better. So he has improved without a doubt. If you want to say he hasn't improved on his own biggest weaknesses, I'd have to agree but don't pretend like the rookie we had in 2009 is the same guy we had last year.

You are using the wrong year.  2009 he was as raw as you get, a project QB that was never supposed to play taking snaps behind a make-believe QB battle thrown in in the middle of the year.  That partial season was just him getting his sea legs under him.  2010 is the better baseline to use -- had time to get used to the speed of the game and then he could focus on improving his actual game. 25:6, a very nice looking ratio

Josh has most definitely not improved in any appreciable way.  He has an enormously improved team around him, with two of the best catch radius WRs out there bailing him out.  Add on to that changing from a dink and dunk O to an offense focused around chucking it deep, and of course he'll have more yards.  The stats are only part of the story, and that's all his apologists ever talk about.  How about talking about his actual play for a change?.  Has he shown any improvement in reading defenses?  Nope.  Stopped staring down his WRs?  Nope. Started going through his progressions instead of one read and checking it down?  Nope.  Stopped forcing the ball into coverage?  Nope.  Stopped imagining pressure?  Nope.  Stopped throwing the ball into the middle of nowhere?  Nope.

The problem is that while nobody seems to want to admit it, Josh has not gotten appreciably better at anything.  The stats may have changed, but he hasn't.  Josh came in as a very talented guy, and he still is a very talented guy.  But he still plays the same way, with the same strengths and weaknesses, as he did coming in.
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