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#30 : July 14, 2013, 04:35:53 PM

Stocker has been average but has improved every year. Crabtree is virtually the same player.

What exactly are you basing that on?

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#31 : July 14, 2013, 05:39:47 PM

Stocker has been average but has improved every year. Crabtree is virtually the same player.

What exactly are you basing that on?

The fact they are both adequate blockers, good hands, marginal athleticism,  and marginal route running. Is there a skill set im missing where they arent similar? Crabtree is a step quicker....thats about it. Oh yeah. One played for the packers. That automatically makes him better.



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#32 : July 14, 2013, 05:47:56 PM

i don't think Stocker has good hands and i don't see their athleticism as similar. And the fact that Tree has 50 more yds on 10 less receptions might support that notion.
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#33 : July 14, 2013, 05:54:33 PM

Last season, Crabtree dropped 1 ball in 10 targets and Stocker dropped 2 balls in 21 targets.


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#34 : July 14, 2013, 06:09:44 PM

Last season, Crabtree dropped 1 ball in 10 targets and Stocker dropped 2 balls in 21 targets.

Stocker's career long is 33 while Tree's is 72

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#35 : July 14, 2013, 06:21:36 PM

I agree with Hate on this one. K2 was great to have because he had very good range and could pull down anything close.

Just because this is a different scheme doesn't mean that a great TE wouldn't be extremely beneficial to Freeman.

A TE can create mismatches that our WR's cannot. That is the reason why you take passes away from your WR's. It's really a no-brainer that every other team in the NFL is doing right now. I'm baffled how anyone can say that their offense doesn't need to create mismatches. I guess that's how your QB gets to be inconsistent.

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#36 : July 14, 2013, 06:25:05 PM

Last season, Crabtree dropped 1 ball in 10 targets and Stocker dropped 2 balls in 21 targets.

Stocker's career long is 33 while Tree's is 72

I'm aware.  I'm also aware that there isn't much difference between the two player's hands  I'm also aware that Stocker is a much, much better blocker - which seems to be ignored for some reason.

I liked the Crabtree signing quite a bit, but he's not the second coming at TE.  He has his limitations.


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#37 : July 14, 2013, 06:28:47 PM

Last season, Crabtree dropped 1 ball in 10 targets and Stocker dropped 2 balls in 21 targets.

Stocker's career long is 33 while Tree's is 72

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#38 : July 14, 2013, 06:38:29 PM

Last season, Crabtree dropped 1 ball in 10 targets and Stocker dropped 2 balls in 21 targets.

Stocker's career long is 33 while Tree's is 72

lolz

 :D ;D  you like?

Here's my take. I think we've seen Stocker's ceiling while Crabtree hasn't yet had an opportunity. That's what excites me.

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#39 : July 14, 2013, 06:43:33 PM

i don't think Stocker has good hands and i don't see their athleticism as similar. And the fact that Tree has 50 more yds on 10 less receptions might support that notion.

They had the exact same 40 time coming out of college. I have no idea about Crabtree's other measurements because they don't seem to be available, but I doubt that he's a noticeably better athlete than Stocker, if he is actually better.

Stocker has pretty close measurables to Rob Gronkowski though, and it was pretty much the only reason we spent 2 4th rounders on him. Gronkowski is slightly taller, and has slightly larger arms, but in terms of just pure athleticism like the 3 cone drill and 20 yard shuttle, Stocker actually beats out Gronkowski, and he has the same 40 time.

It seems like people are just enamoured with Crabtree because he had a few long TDs last year with Green Bay. We don't have Aaron Rodgers at QB, and we don't run the same offense. Crabtree is not going to get wide open like that. Maybe he does surprise us, but there's absolutely nothing from his past performance that would suggest that he will be a good #1 TE.

Also, Crabtree is going to be 28 midway during the season., and Stocker is almost 25 years old. Stocker still has time to develop.

I won't sleep on Zach MIller or Noble either. Zach Miller has the most receiving yards of the bunch and could be a surprise.

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#40 : July 14, 2013, 06:45:40 PM

Stocker has pretty close measurables to Rob Gronkowski though...

That statement alone should make you stop with the measurables crap

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#41 : July 14, 2013, 06:57:45 PM

Stocker is a complete stiff.

His speed and hands don't even bother me so much as the fact that he doesn't have flexibility/athleticism to adjust to a ball in the air that is not perfect. He's like the poor man's John Gilmore.

Crabtree has at least shown some play-making ability coming off the bench . I say give him a shot.

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#42 : July 14, 2013, 07:18:56 PM

It seems like people are just enamoured with Crabtree because he had a few long TDs last year with Green Bay.

Yeah, it appears a few people are putting a little much into a play where the Safetys were going after the WR's, leaving the middle wide open.  Great play-design by McCarthy and excellent touch pass from Rodgers.  Crabtree gets the credit for beating the MLB (who happens to be one of the worst MLB's in the league in Paris Lenon) but he's not some down-field threat by any stretch of the imagination.


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#43 : July 14, 2013, 07:27:44 PM

My take on Crabtree is, he is a hard working lunch pail type guy that Schiano loves. The greatest TE's in league history have nothing to worry about though, as far as their records are concerned.

I don't see Stocker has improved one bit. He has hardly played.  Here we are a couple years later, and he is still trying to stay healthy. Good lookin player, but damn, how about making it through the season in one piece.


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