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#15 : November 09, 2006, 12:33:35 PM

Is our offense getting better with the current FO and Coaching?

Consider:

2003: 340 YPG
2004: 310 YPG
2005: 294 YPG
2006: 251 YPG

Either the coaching is substandard, or the talent acquired is substandard (last three #1's spent on offense).  Take your pick.

The problem is with the QB. Gruden's offense will not be productive without a good QB in place. It has been said by Gruden himself that if his QB has a bad day, they lose. It's also been repeated for a while that it takes a QB about 3 yrs to really hit their stride in Gruden's system. Don't know how accurate that is as I  believe it's just based on how the Raiders offense took off with Gannon in yr 3 after two 8-8 seasons....

The bucs have had 4 different starting QBs in less than 3 years. That's a recipe for disaster for any offense. You can blame that on personel desicions if you want, but keep in mind all of those QB changes happened due to injury with the exception of benching Brad....

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#16 : November 09, 2006, 12:36:12 PM

Is our offense getting better with the current FO and Coaching?

Consider:

2003: 340 YPG
2004: 310 YPG
2005: 294 YPG
2006: 251 YPG

Either the coaching is substandard, or the talent acquired is substandard (last three #1's spent on offense).  Take your pick.

The problem is with the QB. Gruden's offense will not be productive without a good QB in place. It has been said by Gruden himself that if his QB has a bad day, they lose. It's also been repeated for a while that it takes a QB about 3 yrs to really hit their stride in Gruden's system. Don't know how accurate that is as I  believe it's just based on how the Raiders offense took off with Gannon in yr 3 after two 8-8 seasons....

The bucs have had 4 different starting QBs in less than 3 years. That's a recipe for disaster for any offense. You can blame that on personel desicions if you want, but keep in mind all of those QB changes happened due to injury with the exception of benching Brad....

Inconsistency is a huge factor for any offense (especially at the QB position).  But shouldn't Gruden be blamed for not finding a QB he can stick with?

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#17 : November 09, 2006, 12:47:53 PM

Is our offense getting better with the current FO and Coaching?

Consider:

2003: 340 YPG
2004: 310 YPG
2005: 294 YPG
2006: 251 YPG

Either the coaching is substandard, or the talent acquired is substandard (last three #1's spent on offense).  Take your pick.

The problem is with the QB. Gruden's offense will not be productive without a good QB in place. It has been said by Gruden himself that if his QB has a bad day, they lose. It's also been repeated for a while that it takes a QB about 3 yrs to really hit their stride in Gruden's system. Don't know how accurate that is as I  believe it's just based on how the Raiders offense took off with Gannon in yr 3 after two 8-8 seasons....

The bucs have had 4 different starting QBs in less than 3 years. That's a recipe for disaster for any offense. You can blame that on personel desicions if you want, but keep in mind all of those QB changes happened due to injury with the exception of benching Brad....

Inconsistency is a huge factor for any offense.  But shouldn't Gruden share the blame for not finding a QB he can stick with?

When has he had the chance to stick with a QB?? He had BJ for the first 2 years and then into year 3 it looked like age had finally caught up to him. I don't think anyone can argue with how bad Brad's arm looked that year. So after starting 0-4 Jon decided to give the young-gun Simms a chance. Well, he got injuried in his first start. So in comes Griese who plays good enough to keep the starters job in Gruden's mind. For better or worse, it looks like Gruden wants to stick it out with Griese, then SoB gets a season ending injury 6 games into 2005 after starting about 16 games for the Bucs. So Simms gets another shot and plays good enough to deserve to keep the starters spot. Griese bolts for Chicago in the offseason where there is more money and what looked like a greater change for him to be the starter. Simms starts the season, looks worse than anyone predicted, and then gets injured 3 games into the season and after starting about 14 games for the Bucs. Now in comes Gradkowski and so far he has 5 starts under his belt. It looks like gruden wants to stick with the guy, we can only hope he fares beter injury wise than Simms and Griese.

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#18 : November 09, 2006, 12:50:14 PM

Is our offense getting better with the current FO and Coaching?

Consider:

2003: 340 YPG
2004: 310 YPG
2005: 294 YPG
2006: 251 YPG

Either the coaching is substandard, or the talent acquired is substandard (last three #1's spent on offense).  Take your pick.

The problem is with the QB. Gruden's offense will not be productive without a good QB in place. It has been said by Gruden himself that if his QB has a bad day, they lose. It's also been repeated for a while that it takes a QB about 3 yrs to really hit their stride in Gruden's system. Don't know how accurate that is as I  believe it's just based on how the Raiders offense took off with Gannon in yr 3 after two 8-8 seasons....

The bucs have had 4 different starting QBs in less than 3 years. That's a recipe for disaster for any offense. You can blame that on personel desicions if you want, but keep in mind all of those QB changes happened due to injury with the exception of benching Brad....

Inconsistency is a huge factor for any offense.  But shouldn't Gruden share the blame for not finding a QB he can stick with?

When has he had the chance to stick with a QB?? He had BJ for the first 2 years and then into year 3 it looked like age had finally caught up to him. I don't think anyone can argue with how bad Brad's arm looked that year. So after starting 0-4 Jon decided to give the young-gun Simms a chance. Well, he got injuried in his first start. So in comes Griese who plays good enough to keep the starters job in Gruden's mind. For better or worse, it looks like Gruden wants to stick it out with Griese, then SoB gets a season ending injury 6 games into 2005 after starting about 16 games for the Bucs. So Simms gets another shot and plays good enough to deserve to keep the starters spot. Griese bolts for Chicago in the offseason where there is more money and what looked like a greater change for him to be the starter. Simms starts the season, looks worse than anyone predicted, and then gets injured 3 games into the season and after starting about 14 games for the Bucs. Now in comes Gradkowski and so far he has 5 starts under his belt. It looks like gruden wants to stick with the guy, we can only hope he fares beter injury wise than Simms and Griese.

Good points and that is why it is my hope Gruden sticks with Gradkowski becuase this QB carousel can not continue.
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