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: November 14, 2006, 08:49:44 PM

I am not a Gruden hater before I get flamed....but here is my major issue. Last night I saw Clayton and Alex Smith dropping passes, Caddy fumbling the ball, and Buenning getting shoved back into the line, and it's been the same case fo rmost of the year (I won't mention Joseph, Trueblood, and Grads as they are just rookies). Sure we played against a  tough defense...but is it just me...or are the young offensive guys on our team actually getting WORSE? Is it possible that Clayton's first year was an anomaly? Is it possible that Caddy got lucky as rookie of the year?? That just doesn't seem right....

This franchise has never done well in grooming talent on the offensive side of the ball. (See the cases of Young, Dilfer, DWilliams) We've never had a prolific offense. But can someone explain to me how all of these talented guys now have just seemingly "forgotten" how to play? If our coach is an offensive mind..shouldn't they all gradually be getting better? Sure some of the woes are because we have a rookie QB...but it isn't ALL his fault. Would anyone like to tell me the role coaching should be playing in all of this??? Or have they just given up?

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#1 : November 14, 2006, 08:51:59 PM

One thing is for sure, they look disheveled out there.

The Genius Known As Theisman said the Bucs looked disorganzed and chaotic in their huddles...

The team is crumbling, that is for sure.


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#2 : November 14, 2006, 09:08:01 PM

One thing is for sure, they look disheveled out there.

The Genius Known As Theisman said the Bucs looked disorganzed and chaotic in their huddles...

The team is crumbling, that is for sure.


I don't agree the team is crumbling Boid. Last night I saw a team that just doesn't have the horses right now to compete for a full 4 quarters. The players played hard man, they're going to fight.

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#3 : November 14, 2006, 09:18:28 PM

I heard somewhere, and I can't remember where, that often times second year players (especially specialists) allow the mental aspect of the game overwhelm them, and they stop paying attention to their natural instincts. I imagine, that if true, this would be especially true in Gruden's very complex offense. Consider also that Michael Clayton (due to injuries) is still really in his second season. So consider this as you watch Caddy, Smith, Clayton, Grads, True, and Joseph. Just a thought.

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#4 : November 14, 2006, 09:30:49 PM

There isn't a leader among the players.  That's why they look so confused.  Someone needs to be in there saying "get focused" and "you do this - you do that".  Right now they have what they need on the sidelines, it's when they get on the field that there's no one who can step up and provide it.

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#5 : November 14, 2006, 09:39:59 PM

There isn't a leader among the players. That's why they look so confused. Someone needs to be in there saying "get focused" and "you do this - you do that". Right now they have what they need on the sidelines, it's when they get on the field that there's no one who can step up and provide it.

that is the role of the QB, but in our situation, it will take Grads some time to get used to filling those shoes....

think of it this way, if you get hire on a new job as a manager, do you go right in there and start pointing fingers and telling people what to do right off the bat? sure to a small extreme, but you mostly want the trust of your peers in your decisions and in this sport you want to see the leader knows what he is talking about, which only comes with experiance....

I like Grads more than any QB we have had in the past 2-3 yrs, and I think he can fit the bill, but he just needs some leadership skills.....one thing I saw in him yesterday that impressed me, ws right before the game, he went around to every single player and gave them a get going head butt........trying to motivate a little...I liked that, and it showed me he is trying....like SAPP did in years past, he is getting the motivation up a litte, he just needs some endurance in that aspect



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#6 : November 14, 2006, 09:41:38 PM

how about spreading some blame to the Oline position coaches....everyone seems to be quick to exuse Monte and blame the defense position coaches for some of the problems on that side of the ball, yet everything is Gruden's fault when it comes to offense. Not saying he shouldn't share the blame, but there are other guys invovled in developing these young players: Hackett, Valero, Muir, Mann, etc... With all the talk of players not living up to their talent or regressing, I never hear mention of these other offensive coaches, except Muir of course...

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#7 : November 14, 2006, 09:43:00 PM

to justify my comment a little, I coach POP WARNER league for my 9yr old, who I have as a WR and a back up QB, i tell him all the time that the QB is the on fielf coach, and he needs to help the qb calm the players down when they make a mistake, and pump the players up when they do good.....

granite these are not 9 yr old out here, but football is football, and emotions get hot and heavy, the QB is the one who they turn to for answers and he needs to have them, take the blame when he throws bad, or tell the RT to push a little harder for the RB



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#8 : November 14, 2006, 10:35:06 PM



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#9 : November 15, 2006, 01:18:45 PM

Agree on this on a few points. At a time when Grads is forced to start as a rookie, the other young guys you mentioned sure could make things a whole lot easier on him by stepping up their game as well. Clayton, Smith have shown flashes, but not enough consistently to allow Grads to relax and not feel like it's all on him. When someone gets injured, it's everyone else who needs to elevate their game. Doesn't look like that's happening.




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#10 : November 15, 2006, 01:48:41 PM

I agree that the O has looked worse the last couple of games, but I also think that with the youth on that side of the ball, we just need to have some good things happen, then things will start to snowball.  Success = confidence = more success = more confidence.

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#11 : November 15, 2006, 02:39:45 PM

I am not a Gruden hater before I get flamed....but here is my major issue. Last night I saw Clayton and Alex Smith dropping passes, Caddy fumbling the ball, and Buenning getting shoved back into the line, and it's been the same case fo rmost of the year (I won't mention Joseph, Trueblood, and Grads as they are just rookies). Sure we played against a  tough defense...but is it just me...or are the young offensive guys on our team actually getting WORSE? Is it possible that Clayton's first year was an anomaly? Is it possible that Caddy got lucky as rookie of the year?? That just doesn't seem right....

This franchise has never done well in grooming talent on the offensive side of the ball. (See the cases of Young, Dilfer, DWilliams) We've never had a prolific offense. But can someone explain to me how all of these talented guys now have just seemingly "forgotten" how to play? If our coach is an offensive mind..shouldn't they all gradually be getting better? Sure some of the woes are because we have a rookie QB...but it isn't ALL his fault. Would anyone like to tell me the role coaching should be playing in all of this??? Or have they just given up?

Or is it a case that our young studs last year faced only 5 winning teams- while so far with a declining defense they have faced 6-7 this year. our defense held us in many games last year and we played alot with a lead--that makes the offense look much much better.


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#12 : November 15, 2006, 03:01:07 PM

The Genius Known As Theisman said the Bucs looked disorganzed and chaotic in their huddles...


You mean david joseph and jermaine trueblood.

Why do you necessarily have to be wrong just because a few million people think you are?

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#13 : November 15, 2006, 03:03:47 PM

They arent getting worse, they are simply going through the growth process of playing in this league. Immediate success is very common in this league. It's because teams have little or no tape on you and cant really pick up your strengths, weaknesses, faults, and tendencies. Smith, Cadillac, Buenning, and Clayton all had immediate success. The next part is learning to play when teams know about you. Defenses are gameplanning to attack all of our young guys weaknesses, and until they learn how to overcome that like the veterans in this league do, we are going to continue to struggle.

And if you ever wondered where the guys with immediate success bomb out after a year or two.. 90% of the time thats what happens.



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#14 : November 15, 2006, 03:05:46 PM

The Genius Known As Theisman said the Bucs looked disorganzed and chaotic in their huddles...


You mean david joseph and jermaine trueblood.

Ok, good, so that wasn't just acid flashback on my part, he actually said that.
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