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#30 : December 11, 2006, 06:53:50 PM

As opposed to all those guys Dungy got us. Like Brooks, and Sapp, and Lynch, and oh wait, I forgot, Dungy didn't sign them, he inherited them.
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#31 : December 11, 2006, 06:58:13 PM

also White starts for us, P-Buc, Haye rotates in, Ruud has started this year, Pearson rotates in, Adams starts on ST, as do Mallard and Cash, ect.

And they are performing so well.
nice job backing off your statement, I believe the argument went from
- it's all Dungy D players (nice job trying to give Spires to Dungy)
to
- how many start (which you tried taking away injuries, I didn't even do that for the Dungy D players)
to
- how well they are performing

didn't they only allow 1 TD yesterday? And didn't P-Buc make a great INT in the endzone?
Im not backing off my statement. I guess I should specified my comments a little better.

The key players on our defense are all Dungy guys. And yes I got rid of injuries because that isnt the team that would have originially been on the field barring injuries. And well now with the injuries we have a chance of seeing Gruden's guys and you can see how the outcome has been so far.

Oh and the highest that weve been ranked offensively has been 18th. There's an Offensive Genius for you



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#32 : December 11, 2006, 06:58:47 PM

umm....you do realize Dungy never drafted / signed any of those guys....

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#33 : December 11, 2006, 07:03:32 PM

I'd really like to see "The Snake" in Tampa. Grad's is not impressing me at all. Never did beyond the first Saints game. He's, in my opinion a step above Shaun King, everyone got excited early on, but then what? He has potential, I kind of see that, but he could learn a lot from a vet like Plummer, considering they have similar scrambling abilities. I really think Gruden's system is too much to handle for a 22 year old rookie. And our pass protection has been sub-par, in Bruce's defense. I'm hoping Gruden's around 1 more year cause I think he can right the ship. After that, my patience will run out! I pay too much for the Sunday ticket to watch this kind of football 2 years in a row!

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#34 : December 11, 2006, 07:04:51 PM

Jon Gruden doesnt deserve a job after this season.

I'm sorry but there is no way that one team can go from being this bad to competetive in one offseason.

New Coach and let him actually make some good decisions with our money and good draft picks. I dont want Gruden come here and pick his usual Marquis Coopers and sign his Charlie Garners.

Please fire him and bring anyone.


Are you sure-- just ask New Orleans or maybe Baltimore or maybe the Jets.



I know ask Sean Payton and Eric Mangini their new coaches.

You kind of proved my point while trying to make a point.
Last i checked neither coach from the teams mentioned had made a divisonal champ and play off the year before or have the credit of 4 divisonal titles in the past years, a conference champ, and a SB under their belt. And Edwards was not fired he chose to leave NY for KC. And NO HC had failed with years of a lot of good talent. But wait Baltimore on the other hand w/ Billick was in a really similar situation. Imagine that a SB HC retained becasue the FO and owners knew they had mortgaged to get a SB.

Keep fishing-- aren't you tired of having your arguments blown to $hit





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#35 : December 11, 2006, 07:05:10 PM

I'd really like to see "The Snake" in Tampa. Grad's is not impressing me at all. Never did beyond the first Saints game. He's, in my opinion a step above Shaun King, everyone got excited early on, but then what? He has potential, I kind of see that, but he could learn a lot from a vet like Plummer, considering they have similar scrambling abilities. I really think Gruden's system is too much to handle for a 22 year old rookie. And our pass protection has been sub-par, in Bruce's defense. I'm hoping Gruden's around 1 more year cause I think he can right the ship. After that, my patience will run out! I pay too much for the Sunday ticket to watch this kind of football 2 years in a row!
talk about throwing interceptions..



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#36 : December 11, 2006, 07:06:33 PM

Jon Gruden doesnt deserve a job after this season.

I'm sorry but there is no way that one team can go from being this bad to competetive in one offseason.

New Coach and let him actually make some good decisions with our money and good draft picks. I dont want Gruden come here and pick his usual Marquis Coopers and sign his Charlie Garners.

Please fire him and bring anyone.


Are you sure-- just ask New Orleans or maybe Baltimore or maybe the Jets.



I know ask Sean Payton and Eric Mangini their new coaches.

You kind of proved my point while trying to make a point.
Last i checked neither coach from the teams mentioned had made a divisonal champ and play off the year before or have the credit of 4 divisonal titles in the past years, a conference champ, and a SB under their belt. And Edwards was not fired he chose to leave NY for KC. And NO HC had failed with years of a lot of good talent. But wait Baltimore on the other hand w/ Billick was in a really similar situation. Imagine that a SB HC retained becasue the FO and owners knew they had mortgaged to get a SB.

Keep fishing-- aren't you tired of having your arguments blown to $hit


no he (and most the newbs for that matter) keep throwing lame arguments to the wall hoping something sticks.

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#37 : December 11, 2006, 07:08:35 PM

Well tell me who's a better option? Gruden could save his career. We don't need another rookie.

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#38 : December 11, 2006, 07:08:52 PM

Plummer is the key to quickly turning this thing around.   The Bucs desperately need an experienced, very mobile QB.   He's the closet thing to a Gannon.   I don't think Garcia is gonna be available.    



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#39 : December 11, 2006, 07:11:03 PM

Well tell me who's a better option? Gruden could save his career. We don't need another rookie.
I'd rather see Garcia than Plummer, if not then call around the league, see what Houston wants for Carr, Miami for Harrington, ect., if nothing else you may be forced to draft a rookie QB, and I don't think that would mean death to Gruden, the Glazers know a little bit about football. They aren't stupid to think that bringing in an overvalued overrated vet QB for a quick fix would be smarter than drafting a rook and let Gru have the time he needs.

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#40 : December 11, 2006, 07:11:22 PM

Yeah I truly think Plummer will be own only option.

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#41 : December 11, 2006, 07:14:16 PM

Gruden's offense is at it's best with a mobile qb!

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#42 : December 11, 2006, 07:15:11 PM

also White starts for us, P-Buc, Haye rotates in, Ruud has started this year, Pearson rotates in, Adams starts on ST, as do Mallard and Cash, ect.

And they are performing so well.
nice job backing off your statement, I believe the argument went from
- it's all Dungy D players (nice job trying to give Spires to Dungy)
to
- how many start (which you tried taking away injuries, I didn't even do that for the Dungy D players)
to
- how well they are performing

didn't they only allow 1 TD yesterday? And didn't P-Buc make a great INT in the endzone?
Im not backing off my statement. I guess I should specified my comments a little better.

The key players on our defense are all Dungy guys. And yes I got rid of injuries because that isnt the team that would have originially been on the field barring injuries. And well now with the injuries we have a chance of seeing Gruden's guys and you can see how the outcome has been so far.

Oh and the highest that weve been ranked offensively has been 18th. There's an Offensive Genius for you

wrong again they were top 10 on offense in 2003-- keep fishing-- at least try knowing the stats before you start posting garbage lies.

Team G Plys Yds/G Y/P FD/G 3rd Md 3rd Att 3rd % 4th Md 4th Att 4th % Pen PenYds TOP TF L
1. Minnesota 16 1055 393.4 6.0 21.0 102 219 46.6 8 20 40.0 127 1029 32:52 31 11
2. Kansas City 16 1003 369.4 5.9 21.8 84 201 41.8 6 10 60.0 79 698 29:23 13 6
3. Indianapolis 16 1041 367.1 5.6 21.8 91 217 41.9 11 17 64.7 92 662 30:54 25 10
4. Green Bay 16 999 362.4 5.8 19.7 85 207 41.1 4 7 57.1 88 699 30:52 19 11
5. San Francisco 16 1038 355.4 5.5 19.6 86 215 40.0 5 19 26.3 104 807 30:54 24 10
6. Seattle 16 1017 351.7 5.5 21.1 96 205 46.8 2 7 28.6 91 777 28:33 23 13
7. Denver 16 1047 349.9 5.3 20.9 82 211 38.9 3 13 23.1 107 922 33:53 24 6
8. Tennessee 16 1013 343.8 5.4 19.4 86 211 40.8 6 14 42.9 110 887 32:52 24 12
9. St. Louis 16 1054 341.1 5.2 20.9 92 216 42.6 7 15 46.7 92 667 31:53 33 16
10. Tampa Bay 16 1036 340.8 5.3 19.2 78 220 35.5 8 15 53.3 117 1104 31:36 23 9
11. New Orleans 16 1019 339.9 5.3 18.9 106 229 46.3 5 19 26.3 103 878 30:18 33 20
12. Jacksonville 16 1024 334.9 5.2 19.1 80 216 37.0 13 26 50.0 108 895 30:09 27 14




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#43 : December 11, 2006, 07:20:31 PM

also White starts for us, P-Buc, Haye rotates in, Ruud has started this year, Pearson rotates in, Adams starts on ST, as do Mallard and Cash, ect.

And they are performing so well.
nice job backing off your statement, I believe the argument went from
- it's all Dungy D players (nice job trying to give Spires to Dungy)
to
- how many start (which you tried taking away injuries, I didn't even do that for the Dungy D players)
to
- how well they are performing

didn't they only allow 1 TD yesterday? And didn't P-Buc make a great INT in the endzone?
Im not backing off my statement. I guess I should specified my comments a little better.

The key players on our defense are all Dungy guys. And yes I got rid of injuries because that isnt the team that would have originially been on the field barring injuries. And well now with the injuries we have a chance of seeing Gruden's guys and you can see how the outcome has been so far.

Oh and the highest that weve been ranked offensively has been 18th. There's an Offensive Genius for you

wrong again they were top 10 on offense in 2003-- keep fishing-- at least try knowing the stats before you start posting garbage lies.

Team G Plys Yds/G Y/P FD/G 3rd Md 3rd Att 3rd % 4th Md 4th Att 4th % Pen PenYds TOP TF L
1. Minnesota 16 1055 393.4 6.0 21.0 102 219 46.6 8 20 40.0 127 1029 32:52 31 11
2. Kansas City 16 1003 369.4 5.9 21.8 84 201 41.8 6 10 60.0 79 698 29:23 13 6
3. Indianapolis 16 1041 367.1 5.6 21.8 91 217 41.9 11 17 64.7 92 662 30:54 25 10
4. Green Bay 16 999 362.4 5.8 19.7 85 207 41.1 4 7 57.1 88 699 30:52 19 11
5. San Francisco 16 1038 355.4 5.5 19.6 86 215 40.0 5 19 26.3 104 807 30:54 24 10
6. Seattle 16 1017 351.7 5.5 21.1 96 205 46.8 2 7 28.6 91 777 28:33 23 13
7. Denver 16 1047 349.9 5.3 20.9 82 211 38.9 3 13 23.1 107 922 33:53 24 6
8. Tennessee 16 1013 343.8 5.4 19.4 86 211 40.8 6 14 42.9 110 887 32:52 24 12
9. St. Louis 16 1054 341.1 5.2 20.9 92 216 42.6 7 15 46.7 92 667 31:53 33 16
10. Tampa Bay 16 1036 340.8 5.3 19.2 78 220 35.5 8 15 53.3 117 1104 31:36 23 9
11. New Orleans 16 1019 339.9 5.3 18.9 106 229 46.3 5 19 26.3 103 878 30:18 33 20
12. Jacksonville 16 1024 334.9 5.2 19.1 80 216 37.0 13 26 50.0 108 895 30:09 27 14

also haven't we went from the 20's to the teens after Rice and them got injured?

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#44 : December 11, 2006, 07:29:31 PM

Yes 16 to be exact on defense- but you an I both know that doesn't fit his throw it out there and see if it sticks bash tirade

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