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#15 : December 12, 2006, 04:42:31 PM

We could very well, once again this year, take two offensive players in round 1 and 2.

We could go Calvin Johnson or Joe Thomas and then Troy Smith.

There will obviously be a lot of people talking that we will definately go defense heavy but Gruden is an offensive minded coach, and he is going to build an offense oriented team here if he is our coach through thick and thin. He still doesn't have the pieces in line, so he is going to have to do it quick.

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#16 : December 12, 2006, 04:48:30 PM

With our OL no one will survive!  are we not hoping for more additions to the OL? any rookie QB needs years to develope...




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#17 : December 12, 2006, 05:10:58 PM

I'd rank the QB's as:

1. Quinn
2. Russell
3. Smith
4. Brohm

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#18 : December 12, 2006, 05:18:27 PM

The Sugar Bowl could go a long way in determining the top QB selected.  Russell vs. Quinn.

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#19 : December 12, 2006, 05:39:58 PM

gruden's job is on the line next year, he really can't afford to think too far beyond that....seems these days if you draft a QB in the top 10, there's immediate pressure to start him as a rookie. it's a situation that's sunk the broncos this year, and that's not what a coach who needs to make the playoffs needs to be dealing with


Gruden's job isn't on the line next year. His job is to show improvment, not make the playoffs. Don't get it twisted. Why is hard for some of you to realize that the owners are not emotional women like yourself? Gruden's job is to show improvement and progress, not make the playoffs.

improvement and progress on 3-13 or 4-12 isn't really much of a showing. do you think a losing record (and 4 losing seasons vs 2 winning ones) will fly after getting what amounts to a blank check in FA and 4 picks in the top 75? especially when you consider that the draft classes that he's had full control of (along with allen) are entering their impact years?

at 4-12, gruden would be an even 42-42 including playoffs.  gruden will have coached at least 100 bucs games by the end of '07 (including playoffs), and if he can't hang his hat on a .500 cumulative record at the end of that, i can't think of many coaches that have kept a job with an ambitious team with that sort of resume.

so you're talking 8-8 at a minimum.  i don't know who peed in your sandwich this afternoon, but you don't need to come with the "emotional women" stuff, it doesn't really advance the dialogue at all. like it or not, the bucs have steadily dwindled in national relevance and in local interestsupport since the superbowl.  our division title-winning team barely registered with people following the NFL, and most people outside of tampa seem to assume that carolina won the south anyways.  post-katrina we're the 4th most talked about team in our division.  another sub-par year and suddenly you're kissing prime time games in 2007 and 2008 (unless they give the NFL media machine a storyline, like a high-profile coaching hire) goodbye , and the bucs are the poster child for mediocrity & anonymity again.....these things have  a knock-on effect in merchandising, corporate sponsorship, radio deals, and eventually ticket sales & FA recruiting - the glazers are businesspeople, and these are business matters...especially with them being leveraged to the hilt with manchester united, their hand will eventually be forced if the return on their bucs investment starts treading water.

the bucs became one of the most valuable franchises in the NFL by winning games, and they think gruden can take them back there. i agree, but you're hard-pressed to justify gruden's presence if he's 5 years removed from his superbowl, 2 years removed from his last winning season, below .500 over 6 years, and responded to the team's best chance to upgrade in the last 8 to 10 years with a losing season.

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#20 : December 12, 2006, 05:56:42 PM

IMO,

There is no "franchise QB"  in the drfat this year.

Only possible one, and I don't know too much about him, is Russell.

Definitely not Quinn nor Brohm.  Quinn is hyped because he's from ND and Brohm is too young-and maybe even suspect for injuries.

That leaves Smith and I believe he's good, but not a "franchise QB"


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#21 : December 12, 2006, 06:06:09 PM

gruden's job is on the line next year, he really can't afford to think too far beyond that....seems these days if you draft a QB in the top 10, there's immediate pressure to start him as a rookie. it's a situation that's sunk the broncos this year, and that's not what a coach who needs to make the playoffs needs to be dealing with


Gruden's job isn't on the line next year. His job is to show improvment, not make the playoffs. Don't get it twisted. Why is hard for some of you to realize that the owners are not emotional women like yourself? Gruden's job is to show improvement and progress, not make the playoffs.

Wow... you mean the owners don't want to make the playoffs?


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#22 : December 12, 2006, 06:07:30 PM

IMO,

There is no "franchise QB"  in the drfat this year.

Only possible one, and I don't know too much about him, is Russell.


Russell is like Culpepper, but he has a VERY strong arm, more so than Simms.  Many think he is the best pro-prospect in this years draft.

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