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#30 : December 25, 2006, 01:36:17 PM

They are paying Simms the 5 million to keep his services and if he shows he can be the QB for this franchise. If he cannot get the job done then he is out.

Right but that will not stop the Bucs from pursuing Garcia or a veteran that can start in free agency.

What the bucs did was say that we are giving simms the shot instead of signing Garcia and drafting the heir apparent QB this offseason....

I can not imagine that to be the case.  I expect Garcia to be approached by the Bucs if he hits the market.

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#31 : December 25, 2006, 01:43:21 PM

Ok, then why would you pay Simms 5 million dollars in gauranteed money if you were going to pursue a vet QB such as Jeff Garcia to be the starter? It makes zero sense....

They could have signed Garcia for what they signed Simms for. They will not bring in a 37 year old QB and pay him starting money. They could have gone down the road of Garcia for 2 years, draft the heir apparent to take over once Garcia retires.........They didn't choose this option.



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#32 : December 25, 2006, 01:45:25 PM

Ok, then why would you pay Simms 5 million dollars in gauranteed money if you were going to pursue a vet QB such as Jeff Garcia to be the starter? It makes zero sense....

They could have signed Garcia for what they signed Simms for. They will not bring in a 37 year old QB and pay him starting money. They could have gone down the road of Garcia for 2 years, draft the heir apparent to take over once Garcia retires.........They didn't choose this option.

The Bucs have the cap space and might feel it is a priority. With the way Garcia is playing it will take a lot more money then what they have offered Chris in my opinion (for better or worse).

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#33 : December 25, 2006, 01:55:48 PM

Well they might not and all logic points again to the question of, why would they...

You are badly mislead if you think they will pay out 10 million dollars in guaranteed money this offseason for Simms and a 37 year old QB who if he couldn't beat out Simms would be riding the pine for the rest of his career. We are finally out of cap hell, lets not get back into it splurging for Garcia who is 37 years old when we have a vet backup on the roster who has come in and played well, not great, but well, which is all a backup needs to.

The only way that Garcia is here in tampa is if he comes on the cheap and that won't happen.

Besides Garcia as I mentioned sucked rocks in Detroit under Mariucci who he went the prowbowl with. He has had 3 good games this year against the Panthers, Redskins and Giants, all of whom have issues. I don't know why some people are so adament about signging a 37 year old QB because he plays well for the 3 games and over the past 3 years he hasn't done anything and spent one season with mariccui and the same offense he has always played in and saw some good PT.



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#34 : December 25, 2006, 01:59:09 PM

Everyone is judging Rattay by a game and a half.  And in hindsight, along with these 2 performances, the vision is always going to be 20/20.

As for preseason, I was speaking of Rattay's performance on the practice field.  He did nothing.  Again, ask anyone that was there.  He was pretty much awful.

Respect all your opinions, but I think you are kidding yourselves on Rattay.

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#35 : December 25, 2006, 02:01:02 PM

Why? Because if Simms goes down, can Rattay lead us the playoffs like Garcia is doing now with the
Eagles? IMO, no. Not even sure Simms can do it next year. We'll see. I like the pursuit of a vet
back-up that can step in and lead us to the playoffs if Simms goes down or stinks up the joint.
Garcia is one option.

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#36 : December 25, 2006, 02:03:26 PM

Everyone is judging Rattay by a game and a half. And in hindsight, along with these 2 performances, the vision is always going to be 20/20.

As for preseason, I was speaking of Rattay's performance on the practice field. He did nothing. Again, ask anyone that was there. He was pretty much awful.

Respect all your opinions, but I think you are kidding yourselves on Rattay.



No one here said anything more about Rattay than him being the backup, which is what he is and always will be, same for Grads if he survives. I respect your opinon as well Prefer. It was wrong to leave him in there the way he was, he had no shot. Sure Rattay looked bad in the preseaon or TC but Gradkowski was next to awful this season in real games that mean something. It was unfair to grads to be thrust into this the way he was but when you look at the games and see the offense its much better served with Rattay as the starting QB.



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#37 : December 25, 2006, 02:06:37 PM

Why? Because if Simms goes down, can Rattay lead us the playoffs like Garcia is doing now with the
Eagles? IMO, no. Not even sure Simms can do it next year. We'll see. I like the pursuit of a vet
back-up that can step in and lead us to the playoffs if Simms goes down or stinks up the joint.
Garcia is one option.

No shot Rattay could lead us to the playoffs this year and Garcia won't lead the Eagles to the playoffs either. I'm for a vet a cheap vet QB to be the backup. Simms got his 2 year deal (really one year), let him have his year.

We just got out of cap hell by trying to refurbish has-beens we dont need to tie up 10 million some odd dollars on Simms and a 37 year old QB who will give us 2 years at the most. If you think logically about this it makes zero sense.



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#38 : December 25, 2006, 02:10:40 PM

If you understand the CAP, you'll realize that the CAP value on Simms is quite minimal.  Go read, or re-read, the freebie report on the Simms signing.  At $2.5M per, that is an inexpensive QB.

It's all good....either you get it or ya don't.  No middle ground here.



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#39 : December 25, 2006, 02:11:26 PM

Everyone is judging Rattay by a game and a half.  And in hindsight, along with these 2 performances, the vision is always going to be 20/20.

As for preseason, I was speaking of Rattay's performance on the practice field.  He did nothing.  Again, ask anyone that was there.  He was pretty much awful.

Respect all your opinions, but I think you are kidding yourselves on Rattay.


Not true Prefer. I based my opinions on what he did in SF as well............cares about practice ? He produces in regular season games and that's what counts. 



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#40 : December 25, 2006, 02:12:57 PM

If you understand the CAP, you'll realize that the CAP value on Simms is quite minimal.  Go read, or re-read, the freebie report on the Simms signing.  At $2.5M per, that is an inexpensive QB.

It's all good....either you get it or ya don't.  No middle ground here.


exactly Prefer.



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#41 : December 25, 2006, 02:15:31 PM

For the record, Rattay was 4-12 as a starter for SF.

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#42 : December 25, 2006, 02:21:14 PM

If you understand the CAP, you'll realize that the CAP value on Simms is quite minimal. Go read, or re-read, the freebie report on the Simms signing. At $2.5M per, that is an inexpensive QB.

It's all good....either you get it or ya don't. No middle ground here.


It absolutley cap friendly but its 5 million gauranteed and if you plan to expand on that with Garcia you are looking close to 10 million dollars, roughly over the coming years. Maybe you were or were not around but we have taken chances on guys like Garner, Stuessie and others that were vets that had some ability and we got ourselves in cap hell. I strongly urge that we do not pursue a FA QB who is 37 years old and pay him as ADW said more than what we signed Simms to.



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#43 : December 25, 2006, 02:26:24 PM

For the record, Rattay was 4-12 as a starter for SF.


He still put up respectable numbers despite the fact that SF was a horrible team:

 2000   San Francisco 49ers   1   0   1   1   100.0   -4   -4.00   -4   0   0   0/0   0   0   79.2
2001   San Francisco 49ers   3   0   2   2   100.0   21   10.50   20   0   0   0/0   1   0   110.4
2002   San Francisco 49ers   4   0   43   26   60.5   232   5.40   27   2   0   5/26   1   0   90.5
2003   San Francisco 49ers   11   3   118   73   61.9   856   7.25   61   7   2   7/54   11   1   96.6
2004   San Francisco 49ers   9   9   325   198   60.9   2169   6.67   65   10   10   37/211   19   2   78.1
2005   Tampa Bay Buccaneers   4   4   97   56   57.7   667   6.88   89   5   6   10/63   6   1   70.3
2006   Tampa Bay Buccaneers   3   1   74   45   60.8   563   7.61   64   3   2   3/10   7   2   86.7
TOTAL          35   17   660   401   60.8   4504   6.82   89   27   20   62/364   45   6   82.2

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#44 : December 25, 2006, 02:26:38 PM

Ah, what the hell do we know. We'll find out soon enough.

Rattay comes in here and plays two decent games and we in here talking about practice. Practice!
Not a game, not a game, not a game! Practice!

Is Rattay The Answer?

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