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#15 : January 07, 2007, 11:11:55 PM

SR  question  why didn't Rich mckay make it a priority to resign warrick dunn?
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#16 : January 07, 2007, 11:14:10 PM

panamabuc - The Bucs couldn't afford to keep him. They didn't have the salary cap room to match Atlanta's offer in 2002. That was one of the things that created a rift between Gruden and McKay. Gruden desperately wanted Dunn in Tampa. He saw him as a Charlie Garner (the healthy Pro Bowl version!) type player.

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#17 : January 07, 2007, 11:15:51 PM

Personally I do not expect the flood of all stars that some seem to be expecting. IMO all the names that are being bandered about are unrealistic.  It seems that some expect every high quality FA to come running to Tampa. We MIGHT just bag one. After that we just need to improve.
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Nicely said. Great post, Spartan. You'll have about a dozen, maybe 15 teams, fighting over about 15-20 really good players. It would glorious if we got THREE big upgrades. Realistically, if we're lucky, we get two. I expect one very good player, under 30. After that, we'll have to do it via the draft and maybe a few FA bargains.

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#18 : January 07, 2007, 11:23:00 PM

Thanks scott. I also know for fact that Jon wanted al singleton back, but rich mckay was on vacation when he signed with dallas , so we ended up with rudd who was bust at sam linebacker.

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#19 : January 07, 2007, 11:24:16 PM

Absolutely rediculous to blame the Bucs current situation on salary cap issues. They have not appeared to have a problem signing guys like Stussie, Deese, and Garner. All big dollar guys, this at a time of so called salary cap problems.
I have said it before and will again, if a team really wants a player they can work a deal to make it happen(ie: Lynch & Sapp). We will see this year how well the Bucs fair in signing free agents. We will be lucky to land a couple studs. The salary cap has been increased for all the teams, so the pickens will be slim based on the teams signing their own free agents.

You do realize that those 3 guys together didn't equal the deal McFarland was given and at least those old time stop gappers had proven they could play, unlike McBustland yet McKay signed him to a fat deal. Big dollar guys-- thats a laugh -- they wer all mid tier FA's at best as well as their salaries. Do some homework trollby.

BTW Skippy name one player he drafted that is HOF material- your choices Barber Dunn or Alstott-- those are the only 3 he drafted that have a remote possibility at the HOF-- Sapp, Brooks, and Lynch were Wyche draft picks.


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#20 : January 07, 2007, 11:28:53 PM

Spartan, IMO it is about the money for most FA's-- they could care less as long as the contract is good enough-- just look at the Redskins sweepstakes each year-- and what have they done lately.


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#21 : January 08, 2007, 12:44:29 AM

Buc Fan your an idiot.

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#22 : January 08, 2007, 01:14:46 AM

They have not appeared to have a problem signing guys like Stussie, Deese, and Garner. All big dollar guys, this at a time of so called salary cap problems.
Wasn't there an article awhile back saying that makes up like less then 2% of the Buccaneers cap or something like that? That wasn't the issue.


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#23 : January 08, 2007, 05:21:02 AM

rjgbucs1.
Its aparent that you have no history of this franchise. It was once a laughing stock of the nation, Johnny Carson used to make jokes about us. Hugh Culverhouse promoted John McKays son to General manager. Hugh passed away shortly there after leaving young Rich as General Manager. Under his general management we came out of our shell and actually became a contender. He drafted future hall of famers, he was instrimental in turning this franchise around here. Your stupidity is an insult to the history of this franchise.

Buc Fan your an idiot.

While your at it, let Scott Reynolds know how stupid he is.....your argument has been debunked over, and over and over and over and over,  UNTIL WE ALL  want to puke.  What is your issue???
There was a salary cap issue...fact.............bad FA choices.....yes............Those deals did not eat up the cap.  THE WHOLE DERRICK BROOKS INSPIRED,"If they want to keep you they will keep you", quote if he even really said that, is  not  ALWAYS factual.   The issue  of the Bucs demise has blame for all attached to the Organization, so look at the facts and be more well rounded in your assessment and take off McKay's jock while you are at it, he has a lot of blame also.

Huge ego, not a gruden guy,  doesn't use MIKE.

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#24 : January 08, 2007, 10:31:22 AM

rjgbucs1.
Its aparent that you have no history of this franchise. It was once a laughing stock of the nation, Johnny Carson used to make jokes about us. Hugh Culverhouse promoted John McKays son to General manager. Hugh passed away shortly there after leaving young Rich as General Manager. Under his general management we came out of our shell and actually became a contender. He drafted future hall of famers, he was instrimental in turning this franchise around here. Your stupidity is an insult to the history of this franchise.

Sorry, sir, but you are incorrect. Sam Wyche drafted Lynch, Sapp and Brooks. Lynch was drafted before McKay had any input at all in the draft. In 1995 Rich McKay did not want to trade down, he had targeted Mike Mamula as the best player for the Buccaneers and wanted to take him with the Bucs first selection. Rusty Tillman implored Sam Wyche to take Warren Sapp, but Wyche had some concerns and decided to trade down.

When they were on the clock again and Sapp was still there, Rusty Tillman begged Sam to pull the trigger. Sam took his staff out on the back porch at One Buc and they hashed it out there and decided to go ahead and take the shot with Sapp over McKay's objection. Later, Rusty Tillman begged Sam to try and trade back into the bottom of round one and pick Derrick Brooks, who he compared to a fellow he had previously coached (Rufus Porter).

Thanks to Wyche and Tillman, the Bucs landed Sapp and Brooks over the objections of McKay. Later that year McKay went to the Glazers and demanded full control over personnel matters, including the draft, and he used the heavy involvement of the assistant coaches in the draft process as the basis of his argument to the owners. McKay doesn't feel that assistant coaches should have much input in acquiring players, he doesn't feel that they are suited to player analysis. He believes scouts are much more qualified and adept in that area.

McKay won the right to control personnel and the draft, and if you look at the drafts that came under his control, you can see he did a pretty dreadful job of it. Once Gruden arrived, the owners had thrown their support behind the new coach and he was able to get the FA players he wanted in here as well, over McKay's judgment.

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#25 : January 08, 2007, 11:16:47 AM

Wasn't there an article awhile back saying that makes up like less then 2% of the Buccaneers cap or something like that? That wasn't the issue.

The 2% is a curious figure since at one point we had $8.5m in dead money for 2006 sitting on the cap and all of that dead money was Bruce Allen/John Gruden players and or deals (most of it Steussie, Deeese and Garner) and I'm almost sure that $8.5m is more than 2% of $95m.

All posts are opinions in case you are too stupid to figure that out on your own without me saying it over and over.

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#26 : January 08, 2007, 11:50:59 AM

Thanks scott. I also know for fact that Jon wanted al singleton back, but rich mckay was on vacation when he signed with dallas , so we ended up with rudd who was bust at sam linebacker.
I'm sure Gruden wanted Singleton back, but you can't hang that on McKay. He didn't play up to what Dallas paid him and with all the money the Bucs had tied up on defense, you can't justify a big contract for the 6th of 7th best player on D.

FRG is the most logical poster on this board.  You guys just don\'t like where the logical conclusions take you.
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#27 : January 08, 2007, 12:05:26 PM

I think the cap values of Garner, Steussie and Deese amounted to 4% of the team's cap value in 2004 because of pro-rated signing bonuses. Don't hold me to it, though, as I don't have that info handy. But if memory serves, that was the amount. There is a misconception that Garner, Steussie and Deese took up an incredible amount of cap room, but they really didn't compared to other player's deals. Were they bad signings? No question about it.

For the record, the 2006 cap hit for cutting all three of those players was $6,783,336, which is less than seven percent of the salary cap. To put that in perspective, that is $200,000 more than Booger McFarland's cap value in 2006. Tampa Bay's 2006 dead cap money was in the bottom half of the league.

Unfortunately, more of its "dead cap money" was actually tied up in "live" players such as the disappointing Simeon Rice and McFarland (over $15 million).

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#28 : January 08, 2007, 12:09:46 PM

Unfortunately, more of its "dead cap money" was actually tied up in "live" players such as the disappointing Simeon Rice and McFarland (over $15 million).

Won't the Bucs get a 2007 cap credit for the prorated amount of Boogers 2006 salary paid by the Colts?

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#29 : January 08, 2007, 12:11:44 PM

Yes. Approximately $3 million will roll over into the 2007 cap. That has already been accounted for in the $24 million that Bruce offered up in his Friday press conference.
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