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: February 19, 2007, 08:08:27 PM

Why would you want to give a division rival a player like Calvin Johnson? If Calvin Johnson is available at #3 or 4 then he is the odds on favorite to be a Buccaneer.



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#1 : February 19, 2007, 07:50:27 PM

Only if they threw in their 2nd.

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#2 : February 19, 2007, 07:43:50 PM



You'd be crazy to give a up a #1 for that.  He hasn't proven he's any better than Gradkowski.

You would not be giving up a #1.  We would still have a top 10 pick.  The trade down would be equivlent to a 2nd rounder.  And you would have to be crazy to go into next season with Simms and Gradkowski as your #1 and #2 QBs.


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#3 : February 19, 2007, 07:47:29 PM



You'd be crazy to give a up a #1 for that.  He hasn't proven he's any better than Gradkowski.

You would not be giving up a #1.  We would still have a top 10 pick.  The trade down would be equivlent to a 2nd rounder.  And you would have to be crazy to go into next season with Simms and Gradkowski as your #1 and #2 QBs.

I agree.  But you'd be even crazier to go into next season by trading down 6 spots for your 3rd string QB.  Simms and Gradkowski have more time in this system than Shaub and that alone means they are ahead of him.  If Shaub were more talented than the both of them he might make up for his lack of time, but he's shown nothing to indicate that he is.

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#4 : February 19, 2007, 07:41:47 PM

If we want another young quarterback, I'd rather sit put and draft Brady Quinn.

I would love to see that but most here are too impatient to wait a few years on him or Russell to develop or argue that Gruden needs to save his job next season.  Schaub has done his time on the bench and is ready to become a starter.  Will he be a great one?  Who knows.  But it is worth the risk.  The guys were currently have on the roster don't inspired great confidence.

Again... how can you say it's worth the risk?  He's completed 84 passes in his career.  Gradkowski has more than that.  A 69.2 QB rating says nothing to the effect that he's a good QB.

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#5 : February 19, 2007, 07:37:08 PM

If we want another young quarterback, I'd rather sit put and draft Brady Quinn.

I would love to see that but most here are too impatient to wait a few years on him or Russell to develop or argue that Gruden needs to save his job next season.  Schaub has done his time on the bench and is ready to become a starter.  Will he be a great one?  Who knows.  But it is worth the risk.  The guys were currently have on the roster don't inspired great confidence.


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#6 : February 19, 2007, 07:35:18 PM

I agree with LeeroyBuc, that wouldn't be a fair value trade at all.


I would not want that. Shaub is a guy who had 1 good game against the Patriots and then has done nothing since. To me that's like trading back 6 spaces for a 4th rounder.

He's never going to be the starter with the Falcons so he hasn't had many opportunities to do anything.  He does look the part and ATL is high on him.  I'm sure they would want a first rounder for him.  Trading back 6 spaces for your starting QB is not bad value. As far as trading with a division rival, I agree and don't reallyt see this happening but I'm sure getting hometown hero Calvin Johnson might make it tempting.

What makes you think he'd be our starter?  He hasn't done anything this league.  Just because you don't know for sure that he isn't a goob QB is no reason to give up a first rounder just in case he might be.  There are lots of QB's who haven't played much in the NFL, why does everyone think this one's going to be a star?

These are his career stats:

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Year Team G GS Att Comp Pct Yds YPA Lg TD Int Tkld 20+ 40+ Rate
2004 Atlanta Falcons 6 1 70 33 47.1 330 4.71 59 1 4 4/14 2 1 42.0
2005 Atlanta Falcons 16 1 64 33 51.6 495 7.73 53 4 0 6/27 6 2 98.1
2006 Atlanta Falcons 16 0 27 18 66.7 208 7.70 47 1 2 2/8 3 1 71.2
***TOTAL   38 2 161 84 52.2 1033 6.42 59 6 6 12/49 11 4 69.2***

You'd be crazy to give a up a #1 for that.  He hasn't proven he's any better than Gradkowski.

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#7 : February 19, 2007, 07:25:00 PM

If we want another young quarterback, I'd rather sit put and draft Brady Quinn.

FRG is the most logical poster on this board.  You guys just don\'t like where the logical conclusions take you.

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#8 : February 19, 2007, 07:19:51 PM

I don't see us doing any type of business with Atlanta.

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#9 : February 19, 2007, 07:17:58 PM

I agree with LeeroyBuc, that wouldn't be a fair value trade at all.


I would not want that. Shaub is a guy who had 1 good game against the Patriots and then has done nothing since. To me that's like trading back 6 spaces for a 4th rounder.

He's never going to be the starter with the Falcons so he hasn't had many opportunities to do anything.  He does look the part and ATL is high on him.  I'm sure they would want a first rounder for him.  Trading back 6 spaces for your starting QB is not bad value.  As far as trading with a division rival, I agree and don't reallyt see this happening but I'm sure getting hometown hero Calvin Johnson might make it tempting.


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#10 : February 19, 2007, 07:12:22 PM

Maybe, only because I really like Amobi Okoye, but I'm not so sure that Shuab would fit our system.

ATL ran a WCO.

But we don't know that he fits in there either. 

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#11 : February 19, 2007, 07:10:07 PM

Maybe, only because I really like Amobi Okoye, but I'm not so sure that Shuab would fit our system.

ATL ran a WCO.


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#12 : February 19, 2007, 07:05:02 PM

I agree with LeeroyBuc, that wouldn't be a fair value trade at all.

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#13 : February 19, 2007, 07:05:21 PM

I don't think we'll be doing much trading with a division opponent.


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#14 : February 19, 2007, 07:04:10 PM

Maybe, only because I really like Amobi Okoye, but I'm not so sure that Shuab would fit our system.
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