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Freeman Out To Prove Skeptics Wrong

Josh Freeman was introduced to the Tampa Bay media on Monday (Cliff Welch)

Josh Freeman was introduced to the Tampa Bay media on Monday (Cliff Welch)

At his introductory press conference, new Tampa Bay QB Josh Freeman attempted to clear up some misconceptions about his game and qwell a skeptical Bucs fan base that questioned the team selecting him in the first round. Freeman believes that hard work will be the key in ending the scrutiny from Bucs fans.



 
In the end, finding a quarterback of the future was the Buccaneers’ biggest need for the franchise in general manager Mark Dominik and head coach Raheem Morris’ long-term plan.

Bigger than drafting a defensive end to rush the quarterback opposite Gaines Adams.

Bigger than drafting a cornerback to cover receivers opposite Aqib Talib.

Bigger than drafting a defensive tackle to eventually replace 30-year old defensive tackle Chris Hovan.

This was Dominik and Morris’ plan. The Glazers signed off on it. They had no choice really. They just fired the Buccaneers’ all-time winningest coach, Jon Gruden, because he did not have a long-term plan at the quarterback position other than finding the next Jeff Garcia or Brian Griese for the 2009 season.

How could ownership refuse drafting a quarterback in the first round, which hadn’t been done in Tampa Bay since Sam Wyche and Rich McKay selected Trent Dilfer with the sixth overall pick in the 1994 draft?

So Dominik and Morris did just that – selecting Kansas State quarterback Josh Freeman with the 17th overall pick in the 2009 NFL Draft. Apparently a lot has changed over the last 16 years. The Dilfer pick was widely applauded by fans back in 1994, just like the first-round selection of Vinny Testaverde was back in 1987. Both were hailed as saviors for a wayward Buccaneers franchise mired in over a decade of futility.

As for the Freeman pick? It gets trashed on talk radio, booed in sports bars and criticized on Internet message boards – all before the guy throws his first pass at the team’s rookie mini-camp. Despite legions of widely respected draft commentators, including NFL Network’s Mike Mayock, NFL.com’s Gil Brandt and ESPN’s Mel Kiper, liking Freeman as a prospect, Bucs fans – many of whom have never seen Freeman play in anything other than highlights because Kansas State was rarely on national television – find fault with the selection.

Their reasoning is that Freeman’s accuracy (career 59 percent completion percentage), his 14-18 record as a starter for the Wildcats and the fact that he played in the Big 12, which is a conference that is void of great defensive play, mean that he will fail in the NFL, especially in Tampa Bay where the team may be a ways off from the playoffs and historically can’t develop quarterbacks.

Freeman took the time to answer some of those charges when meeting the Tampa Bay area media at his initial press conference on Monday at One Buccaneer Place.

“I’ve heard a lot of different things – I’m not very accurate, I have bad feet and I don’t know how to read coverages – things that people couldn’t possibly know,” Freeman said. “(The critics in the media) obviously have to say something because they have to have a take on everybody. I would probably say that the main (criticism) that didn’t make any sense to me was leadership. I’m more of a laid back-type of leader to the extent that I am not going to be jumping up and down and getting in everybody’s face. At the same time I feel like I exude confidence and my teammates can really feed off of that. So even though I am not jumping up and down and acting crazy I can still lead.”

Freeman was voted as a two-time captain at K-State as a sophomore and a junior after starting the final eight games of his freshman year, including a 45-42 home victory over No. 4-ranked Texas.

“My freshman year, I came in as a true freshman and they expected me to play a little bit,” Freeman said. “Right off the bat, coming in as a highly recruited guy with some already proven starters on the team there is only one way my dad said – one way alone – to earn everybody’s respect and that was through hard work. I definitely think that carried over and allowed me to be the good leader that I was. My freshman year I came in and I just grinded. I didn’t say anything. My sophomore year maybe I got a little more vocal. My junior year, it was kind of a balance between being vocal and a little quiet – maybe leading by example. When it comes to leadership, what I’ve found works the best is knowing your teammates. Some guys react to you getting in their face. Some guys react to you taking them aside and just talking to them. I think that definitely from my freshman year to my junior year my leadership improved.”

One of the most appealing things about Freeman to Dominik and Morris was his work ethic. For a 21-year old, Freeman has a great deal of maturity and knows that a quarterback can’t be successful without putting in the time in the film room. In talking with other NFL quarterbacks prior to the draft, Freeman identified one common trait that was linked to all of the successful signal callers.

“I think it’s hard work,” Freeman said. “I was just talking to Coach (Jeff) Jagodzinski last night about Matt Ryan and it’s really about how hard you are willing to work and the time you are willing to put in. Coming into the situation, I really like the coaches and I’m going to spend a lot of time in this building. I just think it comes down to how much effort you are willing to put in.”

But despite working hard, all that effort in the film room and on the field didn’t translate into wins for Freeman, who presided over a pair of disappointing 5-7 seasons over the past two years.

“It was really frustrating, honestly. It was a case where it was my first two times ever that I was on a losing team,” Freeman said. “I go out every week and every year expecting to win. It wasn’t like it was a lack of trying. We had a lot of guys that worked really hard and it just wasn’t coming together on Saturdays. I don’t know what to attribute that to. I did everything that I could to win and it just didn’t work out.”

Understandably, that 14-18 record that Freeman had as the Wildcats starter is a concern for Tampa Bay fans who must be thinking, “Aren’t great quarterbacks supposed to elevate the play of everyone around them?” But the talent level around him at Kansas State – save for receivers Yamon Figurs in 2006 and Jordy Nelson in 2007 – was so poor that without Freeman the Wildcats might have won only five games combined over the last two seasons rather than five games each season.

It should be noted that when given the chance to place blame for hurried throws and dropped passes on his former K-State offensive line and receivers Freeman did not. His offensive line in Manhattan, Kan. was porous and sub-par, while his receiving corps generally featured players that would have trouble earning scholarships at most Big 12 schools outside of Iowa State and Baylor.

With Freeman in the pros and Kansas State in the rear view mirror, some rookies might be tempted to place the blame elsewhere, but Tampa Bay’s top rookie did not, which was admirable.

“It’s hard to place the blame on one specific thing,” Freeman said. “It’s kind of interesting because my development as a player – my freshman year, I think I had 14 interceptions and six touchdowns and 52 percent completion percentage or whatever. I played horrible and yet we won seven games in the regular season. It could have easily been eight or nine. Then each year my numbers and my play steadily improved, but we weren’t winning any games. It’s hard to put it on one thing, but as an individual player, I just have to focus in on what I can do to help the team and my growth as a quarterback.”

The Bucs’ initial plan is to let Luke McCown and Byron Leftwich duke it out for the starting quarterback job in 2009 while also giving Freeman a chance to throw his hat into the ring. If Freeman clearly beats out the veterans, expect Morris to start him the way Ryan and Joe Flacco got the early nod in 2008 in Atlanta and Baltimore, respectively. If it’s close, Morris will likely go with a veteran and have Freeman learn and improve from watching on the sidelines.

One of the biggest issues Freeman has to work on is his consistency. At Kansas State he had four games with a completion percentage over 70 percent in 2008, but also had four below 51 percent.

“It’s definitely going to come down to consistency,” Freeman said. “I feel that the ability to improve myself and just hit the check down instead of just trying to go for the deep play and not feeling like you have to make the play – just make a play – to keep the chains moving. I think that working with Coach Jagodzinski and Coach Olson that they are going to help me get integrated into this system so that I can be successful.”

Freeman said his accuracy, which fell from 63.3 percent in 2007 to 58.6 percent in 2008, suffered because he was trying to do too much during his junior year.

“Yeah, without pointing any fingers, I just think it came down to me trying to do too much, and knowing that I had to do something – maybe be like Superman – and do some amazing effort if we were going to be able to win,” Freeman said. “I think that had me playing out of character and that definitely hurt me.”

Even against Big 12 defenses, which have been at such a disadvantage against some of the nation’s most prolific offenses, Freeman and the Wildcats struggled. Once viewed as K-State’s savior, some Wildcats fans were disappointed that he was not Superman, especially against K-State’s division rivals.

Freeman’s record against in-state rival Kansas, Missouri and Nebraska was 0-9 in three seasons. But over the past two years, K-State’s defense has been one of the nation’s worst. In fact, the 2008 defense was the worst in school history and ranked 117th out of 119 schools in Football Bowl Subdivision (formerly Division I-A).

“It’s definitely an offensive-driven league,” Freeman said. “These offenses are putting up huge numbers. It’s tough to really tell which is which. I mean you look at SEC games and you see games that are 3-2 and stuff like that. When we played Oklahoma the score was 55-35 at halftime. You get these huge numbers and quarterbacks putting up huge numbers. … Some defenses are good and some aren’t. I think it’s like that in every conference.”

Freeman has already felt the heat from some Wildcats fans for his 10-14 record over the past two seasons, so the early criticism by the Tampa Bay fan base doesn’t bother the smart and savvy signal caller.

“I anticipated it,” Freeman said. “You know, being from Kansas State and not having the national exposure. When Ben Roethlisberger was drafted, it was ‘Ben Roethlis-who?' I’m from a smaller school and we didn’t have the national spotlight on us all the time and maybe we didn’t win as many games as the other guys, so I expected a little bit of this. But I hear there are great fans here and that they respond to winning. So, I think if I go out and play well, they’ll have no complaints then.

“All I know is that I'm going to do everything in my power to make the Buccaneers a better football team. Whether that’s through playing this year, not playing this year, or playing a couple of years down the road. Whatever it takes. Whatever helps this team win, I’m ready to do.”

At his first press conference as an NFL player, Freeman said all the right things and tried his best to answer the criticism about his game and career at K-State. For Bucs fans who have been clamoring for the team to draft a quarterback in the first round and lamenting over the fact that the team did not have a long-term answer at the quarterback position, they got their wish and apparently aren’t happy about it.

Perhaps their objections about Freeman will be proven correct whenever he steps on the field as a starter, but at the same time, fans should realize that the insight Morris had into Freeman from having been Kansas State’s defensive coordinator in 2006 would be unparalleled compared to any other quarterback the team would draft in the present or the future. But despite all the intel that Morris and Co. provided to Dominik and the efforts of the organization to assuage fans’ concerns over the selection, the scrutiny over Freeman likely won’t subside until he becomes a winner in Tampa Bay.

“The quarterback is the most scrutinized position,” Freeman said. “When you are winning they love you and when you are losing they hate you. I’ve been talking to a number of quarterbacks who are in the league and they tell you the same thing. The thing they tell you is not about what people are saying, it’s about the attitude you carry into the office every day and your willingness to work. A great example is Donovan McNabb last year. They were ready to bench him and he comes back and they won six games in a row and he leads them to the NFC Championship Game. It’s all about your attitude and listening to the right people. I have a great support system in my family and the guys I work for.

“I’m fired up. I want to go out and win games. I want to win for the city of Tampa, for Rah, for myself, for the Buccaneers. I want to go out and help this team be successful. That’s my ultimate goal.”

After decades of toiling with the likes of Steve Spurrier, Jack Thompson, Testaverde, Dilfer and Bruce Gradkowski, a sizeable amount of the Bucs fan base – based on their reactions on sports talk radio and Internet message boards – believe Freeman will be the next quarterback bust in Tampa Bay. Obviously the confident Freeman, who believes that he was the best quarterback in the draft, thinks otherwise.

“People get tags placed on them,” Freeman said. “They said, ‘Freeman is either a boom or a bust kind of guy.’ But when you look at all the first-round quarterbacks, you’re either boom or bust, right?

“When I’m done, I want to be regarded as one of the best to ever play the game."

If he does that, the skeptical Bucs fan base will owe Freeman a big apology for doubting him on draft day before he played a down for Tampa Bay.
 

Comments

bucman23

excellent piece scott. thank you for supporting. like you, i try to at least be rational about this and think this team knows what they're doing rather then everyone else who chooses to get swayed by t.v. critics and choose to think they don't have a clue.

5:12pm, April 28, 2009

bucdiesel

Yeah its funny how the ones who want to be optimistic about the direction this new leadership is taking us in are labeled as wearing rose collored glasses glasses because the doom & gloomers think they know all there is to know about football. They give Gruden all the credit but no blame but don't want to give Morris & Dominik any credit with some moves made on offense. All I know they need to make a trade with Philly for a disgruntled CB !

5:50pm, April 28, 2009

bludwick

SR, great article. I was very critical of this pick and frankly still have my doubts about it. But let's be clear, this kid says all of the right things and is a class act. I was very impressed that he didn't blame his teammates for his struggles. Having said that I still think he's a big gamble. But I appreciate the positive take. The fact of the matter is that the average fan, like me, is often wrong when it comes to this kind of thing. The fact the many of us are complaining probably means he'll be a Pro Bowl QB.

5:57pm, April 28, 2009

Panthers Suck!

"I’m fired up. I want to go out and win games. I want to win for the city of Tampa, for Rah, for myself, for the Buccaneers. "

Give 'em Hell Freeman!

6:31pm, April 28, 2009

Horse

Scott this was a good article at the right time. I was down for a couple days on the drafting of Freeman, but I have hope and right now that is good enough. I am glad that the reality is that Freeman is 1-2 years away. Really that's what I wanted to hear Raheem say and if he is a quick learner, then he can be playing earlier than that.

Go Bucs! Do your best!

6:39pm, April 28, 2009

sunrisejeff

Even the skeptics have to agree this kid has moxy. Granted it won't mean bull spit if he can't produce on the field but I think he deserves the chance first to prove himself. Give em hell Josh.....I know I'm rooting for you and am generally excited to see where this team goes this year. Go Bucs!

6:58pm, April 28, 2009

surferdudes

Like Morris kept saying, we got a franchice quarterback man!, I'm fired up too! Scott I'm not concerned about Freeman, what I'd like is some insight on our other draft picks. I'd like to hope Miller will be a force at D tackle. Watching him run around in hightlight film you have to say that's another Sapp wearing the same 99, any chance this guy can be a steal for us?

7:21pm, April 28, 2009

LordJim

I am a skeptic. That being said, he is saying the right things and clearly a.) knows the value of hard work and preparation (Shaun King!) and b.) is willing to listen to Jagodzinski, who is secretly the biggest weapon on this team right now. Josh, make me get a Freeman jersey!

7:23pm, April 28, 2009

bucfan47

PR - It's not Freeman, it's the timing and the selection. And fans don't hate Drew Brees...He had an outstanding year least year....Team won 8 games...

Fans like me are upset they neglected the defense, which last time I checked, plays a very large role in bringing everyone a SuperBowl.

Maybe we've got Derrick Brooks, younger version of Ronde and the next sackmaster since Warren Sapp on the roster. But right now I'm not seeing enough talent on that side of the ball to hold teams under 25 per game.

7:43pm, April 28, 2009

bucfan47

But he does say some good things. I'm all for him being successful. I hope he is...I'm just glad we didn't trade our 1st rounder next year to move up...like Denver.

7:45pm, April 28, 2009

mjmoody

TD just said on NFL Network that the Buc's lost Brooks, and June this year and picked a QB when the USC middle LB was still on the board. Would somebody please do me a favor and let TD know neither Brooks nor June played middle LB and that they're pretty well covered at that spot.

7:50pm, April 28, 2009

JDouble

I don't see how anyone can't be excited. We finally made the leap of faith and we have a young man that is the perfect prottypical QB physically, he's smart, respectful, hard working, and well spoken. If this doesn't have you excited as a Buc fan, I'm not sure what would excite you. Go Bucs!

On a side note, 27 year old Larry Foote and 29 year old Leroy Hill our now free agents. Either or both would be a great sign as possible starters or even just competition and depth.

8:40pm, April 28, 2009

bucfan47

moody - I'm sure he meant LB. JDouble - I'm excited, it's just hard to get excited for a guy that isn't going to participate and join your team until next year.

What good does he do now? I'm not sure. It's a uniform, and I'm glad he's got a uniform, I guess. But he's not going to help us win this year.

9:27pm, April 28, 2009

tomorrow437

Can we please just give this kid a chance. He seems like he has what it takes to be our leader, he just has to show us he can play. I think he will be our answer and at worst be an above average QB who at least does his job. But I think he's got something much better n store for us. Time will tell, let him show us what he's got with a decent offense around him before we judge...

Go Freeman...
Go Bucs...

9:28pm, April 28, 2009

baltbuc

Let's be a little more even-handed regarding our skeptical fans here. Yes, the point is well-taken that most of us have not personally witnessed Freeman's performances. Buc fans (and all football fans) have to read and gain a consensus. The article implies that the fans somehow decided against Freeman while the rest of the respected, more reasonable pundit class like the pick. That is simply not the case. Most "experts" disagree with the pick. Yahoo Sports, USA Today, Fox Sports, NBC Sports all have our Draft as C's or D's. You think that's because of our 7th round selection? Of course not. Most of these guys put us down there with Oakland and Dallas. Hey, the experts have been wrong before. I hope this is one of those times. But, please give the skeptical fans a little more credit. We don't dislike the pick out of the blue.

One other note: fan frustration in some cases is not directed at Freeman himself, but it rests with our profound disagreement with Raheem's priorities, which should have been defense all the way through.

9:37pm, April 28, 2009

delanno25

Out of the three QBs selected in the 1st round of this year's draft, Josh has the best chance to live up to the hype. The number one reason for this is because he's going to a team that has a pretty good defense that'll help him out and the supporting cast he'll have on the offensive side of the ball way better than Detroit or NYJ. One thing I'll applaud coach Gruden for is building up the O line up during his reign as head coach. The additions they made during free agency was instrumental to them improving on last season's record.

The Bucs could've went in many directions during the 1st round of the draft and all would've been good picks but the logic behind drafting Josh was simply the opportunity presenting itself. They could've drafted a good wide out, DT, or LB with that pick, but josh was just too good to pass up. Your not gonna come across a QB of his caliber in the middle of the first round too often.

I really think the bucs will focus on the defensive side of the ball in next year's draft with the exception of an explosive wide out. I like the direction this team is going in.

9:37pm, April 28, 2009

JDouble

47, it's not all about this year. You think dynasties are built in a year? When you don't have a plan for the future you end up patching holes every year with the best players around that other teams didn't want....like we have with Gruden for the last 6 years.

I'm sure you and others would be much more content if Gruden was still here. We'd still have our aging defense with a few cast offs signed for depth, Leftwich would be our new starting QB, and we'd probably have picked a WR in the first this year. That might be what your happy with, but to me it's the same ol' road leading to nowhere.

I'm not sold on Rheem yet, he does come off kinda dumb, but at least we have a vision and plan for the future. The defense will be top 5 again, maybe sooner than any of us think....but drafting one defensive player in the first round this year would not have changed this years outcome anyways. You obviously have your mind made up so I'll just stop...and go back to skipping over your posts.

9:38pm, April 28, 2009

JDouble

Also, it seems the people giving the Bucs a bad draft grade forget that we got Kellen Winslow for our second pick. What second round pick is a better player than Winslow?

9:48pm, April 28, 2009

clairvoyantent1

Jdouble - agree completely.

There are two things the nay-sayers are forgetting. No matter who the Bucs picked in the first round, they were not going to win the Super Bowl next year. That's not a pessimistic viewpoint (I actually see the Bucs winning b/w 7-10 games with this roster - and yes against THAT schedule) - it's the honest truth. So all of those "We need help right now!" pleas are invalid - because there wasn't a defensive lineman in the draft who was going to carry us to a title THIS year.

The second thing people are forgetting is that the DE's, DT's, and CB's that were available weren't slam-dunks either. It was a relatively weak draft at those positions (particularly in the first round). Just as people are arguing that the QB class would have been better next year - there's a great chance the class of defensive linemen and corners will be better as well - and the Bucs will have a full slate of picks.


10:00pm, April 28, 2009

gg72049

I, too, think Freeman will surprise a lot of people ina couple of years. But the sleeper in this draft is 7th round pick Strougher. This kid has great hands and a knack of getting open without breakaway speed. By the time they get to the opening game he will be the third receiver behind Bryant and Clayton. Keep an eye out for this kid!!!!

10:14pm, April 28, 2009

gg72049

Does anyone know who the Bucs signed after the draft?

10:17pm, April 28, 2009

bucfan47

baltbuc - That's exactly why the experts are grading it a "D".

10:22pm, April 28, 2009

bucfan47

delanno25 - Gruden didn't do anything while he was here, what are you talking about? (sarcasm).

Disagree about the upside. Sanchez has the most upside of either of the three because they have the best team right now IMO.

10:23pm, April 28, 2009

JDouble

What experts? NFL.com and ESPN both give the Bucs a B-. Just go away dude.

gg72049, I was wondering the same thing. Allen Langford is a great young CB and I can't believe he went undrafted. Can't seem to find a list of undrfated rookies though. Any links anyone?

10:25pm, April 28, 2009

bucfan47

Double, Leftwich could still be our starting QB this year. Don't right him off just yet.

10:25pm, April 28, 2009

JDouble

Otis Wiley is another guy I am amazed went undrafted. Not the hardest hitting SS I've seen, but he is a terrific athlete and is a good wrap up tackler. Hope we get another surprise guy from the undrfated class like we did last year with Clifton Smith. There really seems to be some quality guys out there.

10:30pm, April 28, 2009

JDouble

47...don't make me puke.

10:30pm, April 28, 2009

bucfan47

Instead of listing them double, you'll find the most here:

http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/sportsnation/story?id=4104114

Kiper is on an island with our team. Maybe he's the real genius around here.

10:34pm, April 28, 2009

JDouble

Found it....

DB Jonathan Hefney (Tennessee)
DT Tywain Myles (Tarleton St.)
DT Chris Bradwell (Troy)
CB Elbert Mack (Troy)
K Chris Gould (Virginia)
RB Carl Stewart (Auburn)
S Steve Tate (Utah)
WR Derrek Richards (Utah)
DE Vegas Franklin (Miami, FL)
WR Amarri Jackson (USF) tryout
T Jared Carnes (USF) tryout
T Walt Walker (USF) tryout
LB Lance Brandenburgh (Nebraska)
OL Floyd Headen (West Texas A&M)
TE Tyrice Thompson (Arizona State)
T Chris Clark (Southern Miss)


10:34pm, April 28, 2009

bucfan47

Collectively speaking, we had the 3rd worst draft of anyone in the league. I know they're projections and basically meaningless, but they tell me that everyone except Kiper feels like the selections were off-base.

Everyone is grading this draft for now as well Double, not for the future. Nobody cares about 5 years down the road.

10:36pm, April 28, 2009

JDouble

nvm...that's 2008 lol

10:37pm, April 28, 2009

JDouble

how exactly do you grade a draft now? Anybody that knows anything, knows that all these "grades" are 100% bullshit. In 2-3 years you can grade a draft. Untill then you or anyone else that grades this draft is pulling nonsense out your ass. I don't care if your last name is Parcells, Kiper, or 47......you can't see the future and therefore your grade means absolutley nothing. Period.

10:40pm, April 28, 2009

bucman23

you know whats funny about those draft grades, they're all coming from sports WRITERS. thats why i showed you walterfootball, they have experience in coaching and a football backround who understand draft value and actually keep up with the picks we've made in recent history including all our unproven guys like all the sports writers dont know about. they are looking for the "sexy pick." do you think those guys have any idea about the mid round lineman we selected? no and they dont know that we have a lot of unproven guys on our roster at the skill positions because all they do is check the stat sheet(for example check how many tackles one of our lineman made last year) and the players draft status. they're not watching them in practice. they also dont seem to realize that games are mostly dictated by what happens in the trenches. they also dont understand anything about the quarterback position except for stats and overall records thats why i choose to listen to the people that actually study and know about the qb position like mayock, dilfer, and walterfootball and maybe some other draft sites(i like my keiper too, mcshay is horrendous).

bottom line guys, we still have plenty of players returning but we also have plenty of unproven guys stepping in. thats why i think its foolish to try and judge how well we will do next year. my guess is around 6-10 to 9-7(and with our schedule that will mean most of our young promising players stepped up and played EXTREMELY well). i just dont see the absolutely horrible team some of you guys see. i think we will have too strong of an offensive line with too strong of a running game, and not a horrible enough defense to render a 3-13 record like some of you predict. our defense will struggle and most likely not be in the top half of the league i just don't see us completely tanking and giving up almost 30 points per game. i personally feel that jim bates is too good of a coordinator to let that happen, but you never know, maybe all our young guys will suck. if they do suck then that could very well happen i just choose to take a rational point of view and think if we just released the best player this franchise has ever had, along with cato june and all the other defensive players, then we at least have something behind them that the coaches really like. i laugh about these draft grades and some of these predictions though, there is no possible way that we can grade this draft and give our predictions for the season just yet, especially with all our unproven players. with all that being said i would assume we could all come to agreemant one one thing, i dont see us making a playoff run in the 2009 season lol.

10:54pm, April 28, 2009

JDouble

Nobody expected the Flacons to almost win thier division last year either. Stranger things have happened.

10:58pm, April 28, 2009

baltbuc

JDouble
OK, since nobody knows anything and nobody should grade this draft for 2 or 3 years, then how can you be so sure we had a good one? Why would are we all reading and visiting comment boards regarding meaningless opinions? Doesn't seem to fit human nature to wait 2-3 years. Sombody's opinion is correct about this draft.

11:01pm, April 28, 2009

JDouble

I wish the psychic Buc47 was around in 2007 so he coulda told us to draft Jon Beason or Patrick Willis instead of Gaines Adams. :P Hell, we coulda traded down and got both of them!

11:04pm, April 28, 2009

Codyman

Finally, some reasonableness pervails. It's nice to hear the
many positive responses, even those who said they didn't
like the pick of Freeman, are now at least willing to give him
chance to succeed or not. Listen, I still am a Josh Johnson
fan, and I've liked Byron Leftwich since he played at Marshall,
he's a tough QB with a nice arm, if he's healthy he could
surprise. I look at the offensive scheme that the Bucs are
running this year and beleive that Freeman and Leftwich are
better fits. McCown, I've always felt was better suited for
a west-coast offense. I think Johnson can play in either scheme. No matter who starts this year or the following,
I will always be a Buccaneer faithfull till I die. I' ve been on-
board this ship since it sailed in 1976, good times and bad,
Derrick Brooks will always be my favorite Buc, I wish him well.
The Bucs are taking our ship in a new unproven direction, and
your either on-board for the ride or your not. Think what your
life might be , if you had taken some chance, some risk.
Remember it's not just a football game, it's an adventure.

11:04pm, April 28, 2009

JDouble

baltbuc, we can all give our opinions. My opinion is the Freeman pick is scary as hell but I hope he ends up being the next John Elway. My issue is with guys that wanna come in here and say Freeman sucks, the draft was a bust and the new regime is horrible. We haven't even played a preseason game yet and these so called fans wanna right off the 2009 Bucs. It' ridiculous and I get tired of hearing it. Especially when it's the same poster and he has to write a novel everyday to say the same negative bullshit about MY team.

11:08pm, April 28, 2009

bucman23

i like the post codyman. ima' ride the ship til i die. one more thing i want to say though that i thought about. everyone seems so confused about the leftwich signing and the drafting of freeman, and also re-signing luke mccown. personally, i feel that luke mccown would have gotten gobbled up in free agency, so we really didnt have a choice but to re-sign him given the talent out there and our own qb situation. the leftwich signing makes it a little more interesting. this is a guy who is dying for another opportunity. what is the biggest reason why he wants another opportunity? do you guys have any idea the difference between starter money and backup money? its ridiculous. this is a guy entering the veteran stages of his career so his time is obviously ticking and he needs to prove himself asap. you have 2 guys trying to salvage their career while they're in their prime. they obviously know they're not the future here, so they need to earn a contract with someone else when this is done. it is a similar situation to miami, with pennington being the "bridge" to henne. the cool thing is, the "bridge" to freeman is literally fighting for their last chance. their last chance to earn a starting job with starters money. that means they will be working their ass off, and should really make the most of their opportunity. my guess is if they both dont work out freeman will be in year 2, and they will keep mccown as the backup because his salary is smaller in 10'. if one of them does good, the other will get cut or traded, while the winner plays out his contract and freeman enters the starter in year 3. this isnt such a bad thing and im starting to see what raheem means as a savings bond. they have no intention to start him yet. my guess? i think byron wins it, he's hungry and i think a hungry in-shape leftwich will be too much for mccown...

11:29pm, April 28, 2009

jrbuc19

this is for jdouble... http://www.nepatriotsdraft.com/2009/04/2009-undrafted-free-agent-signings-list.html

link of undrafted free agents!


i say we jsut give it a chance befor we say hes the next elway orrrr befor he is the biggest bust! i agree what player would u rather have taken? there wasnt a booo at DT or DE worth the 19th pick! u say the linbackers from usc but lets see what we got here befor we ride them off 2! Go bucs!

11:48pm, April 28, 2009

bucfan47

Double, I'm not telling you that Freeman is going to suck. Have you guess put any thought into why some of these experts like Adam Schein and Solomon Wilcots are saying they have no clue what they're doing in Tampa?

They aren't guessing. They are upset who was chosen when. I can't stress this enough. It's not that I hate Freeman, and I'm sure it's not that they do either. It's the timing.

The team is just NOT ready for another QB right now. It's no different than Moreno in Denver. They took them at #12 and had no business taking Moreno there.

Just like Tampa had no business panicking and jumping up to take Freeman. They thought Denver would take him and there was no way in hell Denver was going to take another offensive player in the 1st round. Everyone was FLOORED when they even went Moreno at #12 after signing 3 running backs in free agency. Some things don't make sense and I'm telling you right now...

Morris and Dominik may like their roster..Ok...They may feel they are 100% set at every position..Ok..That's their right...But it's not wise to think your set on defense when you're about to undergo a brand-new scheme with tons of new players EVERYWHERE.

How does it not make sense to see that what you've done in the off-season on offense...All you guys on the message board screaming up and down...About how good this offense will be...Can't wait to see McCown and what he can do...He's the real deal but Gruden just wouldn't play him...

Now everyone has jumped off that ship it appears...Now we're backing this new unknown who's not even going to play next season...Do you begin to see my point?

Why not save your 6th round pick, dedicate the 1st round pick on DT Peria Jerry, help out your entire defense and come back round 3 with WR Mike Wallace, give your offense another speedster in the slot that can benefit McCown....

Come back in rounds 4, 5, 6, and both 7 round picks and dedicate them all towards boastering this defense and give Jim Bates some help on that side of the ball...Don't you see how this draft, if better utilitzed could have benefited the TEAM for THIS YEAR!

This schedule is brutal. BRUTAL...They needed more help on defense than they got. Whether you want to believe it or not, you're about to witness it when the season begins. You'll see. It's not bragging, it's commen sense that all new players are not going to be successful in their 1st season...

They didn't generate ANY pressure last season and now they got rid of Jovan Haye, one of the only guys we had that got any kind of push up the middle, new LB's everywhere, one coming off a bad injury in Crowell, Phillips who hasn't played the position EVER, on and on..There's learning curve's everywhere on this defense and some of you will soon find out how brutal the NFL can be on that many new players at one time.

If Freeman pans out that's great down the road....I just hope Morris is around to coach him once he's ready..I hated this draft overall...I liked some of the picks here and there, but the Freeman pick totally changed the direction of the draft and they had to go in different directions in at least the 3rd and 4th rounds than they wanted to go in reality. They had too...

I believe the Bucs were dead serious interested in WR Mike Wallace, who fell to the Steelers, who were jumping for joy just like Atlanta with Peria Jerry. We passed on WR Mike Wallace because we needed a DT in the worst way and they couldn't afford to pass up that position for a slot guy...I get that, totally 100% get it, but Freeman proabably cost Wallace a roster spot and I think this kid has Marvin Harrison written all over him.

That's all I'm saying Double. I don't believe it was utilitzed properly..But....It isn't changing now, and we gotta get behind our team the best we can and hope for a decent year..If we can stay out of the Top 5 in the draft I'll be happy enough.

11:52pm, April 28, 2009

par4101

Is a #17 draft pick supposed to come in and save a franchise? It was a #17 pick and a good pick at that. I had heard that J. Freeman was projected as a mid to late 1st rd pick so when we took him at #17 it's all of a sudden a bad pick. Why? We needed a QB and we took J. Freeman . Now we have Leftwich as our starter J. Johnson and J.Freeman as our back ups. Now I don't have to worry about our little QBs getting hurt anymore. This is how you win in the NFL. Great pick! I like the Moore pick too!

11:56pm, April 28, 2009

bucfan47

www.foxsports.com/video/nfl

Page 2, click on NFC SOUTH draft grades.

It sums up the entire off-season and draft about as well as anyone could, unless your bias like we all tend to be when it comes to OUR favorite teams..

12:02am, April 29, 2009

bucman23

bucfan47 you really need to read this:

http://www.milehighreport.com/2008/7/15/570586/mhr-university-understandi

that should tell you why we didnt go jerry. the value isnt there to take what would be a 3rd down defensive lineman in our scheme(because jerry is a 3 technique who's strength is rushing the passer) when we value our dt's that's strength is run stopping. thats what i like to refer to as positional value. you dont seem to grasp that. enough with you eluding to freeman being a bad pick. bottom line our qb for the next 1-2 years will most likely be leftwich with freeman to take over as a potential "franchise" qb that our entire staff is sold on 2 years from now. get over it, the sooner you get your qb of the future the better. i completely disagree with you of course regarding the timing of this. you need to realize that a franchise qb for the next 15 years trumps a slot wr(whose bust factor is as equal to a qb) and a 25 year old rookie 3rd down lineman(again, whose bust factor is equal). people dont seem to understand how many busts there have been for defensive lineman and wide receiver.. stop picturing on the band-aids and start focusing on the big picture. you can tell you're a gruden guy...

12:17am, April 29, 2009

bucman23

and we didnt generate any pressure so we got rid of jovan haye?? HAHAHA! thats why jovan had a whopping big ZERO sacks last year. and the even worse part about that is he was always getting single teamed and COULDNT push the pocket. our pressure will come from our DE's and LB's, with occasional DB's blitzing. read my post above.

12:21am, April 29, 2009

scubog

Wouldn't it be nice if Bucfan47 would go into rehab to do something about his obvious addiction to posting. He's a POST-A-HOLIC.

The Tennergizer Bunny. He keeps posting and posting and posting.

5:39am, April 29, 2009

DLS5492

Scott,
Great insight and PERSPECTIVE!
I believe there is no way the Bucs draft this young man unless Coach Jagz and Coach Olsen saw something in him they can develop. I am looking for to seeing what they can do with him and the other qb's.
Go Bucs!!!!!

8:02am, April 29, 2009

DLS5492

By the way, grading a team's draft the day after it is over is silly. I remember a few years ago when everybody gave the Chargers an A for moving up and picking up Ryan Leaf. Plus, I don't recall anybody giving the Broncos an A when they picked Terrel Davis in the 6th round. I also don't remember anybody giving the Patriots an A for picking Tom Brady in the 6th round either.

8:09am, April 29, 2009

1bucfanjeff

Bucman23 - excellent article, thanks for sharing.
Scubog - hillarious...
Jdouble, Here is an article about undrafted FA's the Bucs might be interested in..(from tampabay.com blog)
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Buccaneers adding rookie free agents and tryout players
The Buccaneers are in the process of adding some rookie free agents as well as players who will help round out the roster for the weekend's rookie minicamp.

Perhaps the most interesting name is Tennessee CB DeAngelo Willingham, who was signed to a rookie free agent contract according to his agent, Ron Slavin. Willingham, a 5-foot-11, 217-pound press cornerback, had 12 teams pursuing him after he went undrafted, Slavin said. He finished 2008 with 42 tackles, 24 solo, three interceptions and four pass breakups. Some teams have also viewed him as a safety because of his impressive size.

"I was shocked he wasn't drafted," Slavin said.

Among the other players believed to have been offered rookie free agent contracts are Richmond RB Josh Vaughan and Pittsburgh DL Rashaad Duncan.

Those signed to tryout contracts include two USF prospects: TE Cedric Hill and DE Jarriett Buie. Another tryout prospect is former Tampa Bay Tech standout LB Maurice Crum of Notre Dame, who was given the impression he has a legitimate shot at being offered a contract. Because of his local ties, Drum was among the prospects evaluated by the Bucs in a workout featuring players from the region a few weeks ago.


9:00am, April 29, 2009

1bucfanjeff

Not sure if they actually signed anybody, because I can't find anything else on it...

9:01am, April 29, 2009

1bucfanjeff

Here's the tampabay.com blog site for any of you...

http://blogs.tampabay.com/bucs/

9:03am, April 29, 2009

sunrisejeff

Oh and by the way Bucfan47 not that it really matters but Kirwan on the NFL Network confirmed that not only were the Broncos strongly thinking about Freeman but the Vikings were thinking about trading up to try and snag him in the first also. Like I said not that it really matters at this point but it does kind of help explain the trade up by the Bucs.

9:50am, April 29, 2009

sunrisejeff

Also as a side note NFL Sirius Radio reported today that the Bucs are very interested in DE Jason Taylor and have begun contacts with his agent

9:55am, April 29, 2009

JDouble

I am ashamed to admit it, but I read 47's entire vonel posted above and I have to respond. I apologize in advance for the forthcoming spew of garbage and nonsense.

1. Adam Schein is a jackass, you should try watching something besides FOX. I don't watch Bill Orielly if I want truthful unbiased news for the same reason I don't care what Mr. Schien has to say. Solomon Wilcots couldn't cut it as a DB in the NFL, and now reads cue cards for a living. What the hell does he know? You seem to think if an opinion is coming from a face on the magic picture box....it must be true.

2. We moved up two spots because Denver and the Vikings were both considering Freeman. All we lost was a 6th round pick that likley wouldn't make the team anyways.

3. "Do you begin to see my point?" Never. Not once.

4. I was going to pick apart your entire post but honestly I just don't want to spend that much time on this post. To sum it up you are still butt hurt about Gruden/Allen being fired so everything we do now is wrong and bad. We didn't take Peria Jerry and Mike Wallace so our draft was bad. Basicly you just need to grow up. Gruden is gone, we are better off now. Get over it, move on, quit posting novels on here saying the same nonsense everyday.

10:22am, April 29, 2009

Horse

bucfan47, you're doing it again? You said you were over the draft and moving on in supporting the team. It's time to move on. We all know how you feel. Let it go. Focus on the positive side of the draft: It's over and now we get to see the making of a new team and I am hoping for a winning team this year. We all know it is unlikely that Freeman will contribute this year, but we haven't seen our now new starters that were previously back ups perform. Give this all a chance.
Go Bucs

10:39am, April 29, 2009

buccup56

Amen Brutha JDub, im glad you put that Schein Wilcoxs lover in his place, everyone is just upset because they all wanted us to go Defense! well tough Fukcing Sh!tt Like I said before our D well be decent not great them days are over we have to rebuild, its time to focus on building a great Offense for a change and I think Freeman was a piece to that puzzle. I have high hopes in proving everyone wrong about this kid, he is surrounded by some very good coaches, Jagz will coach this kid up to stardom trust me. just look at what he did with Matty ice

11:09am, April 29, 2009

buccup56

And quit your B!tching 47 its time move on like my man big horse just said! LOL

11:12am, April 29, 2009

1bucfanjeff

47 won't let it go...he'll have to have the last word with a 10 paragraph diatribe. He just wants to be heard and needs to be held.

Time to focus on the future...Go Bucs!

11:28am, April 29, 2009

bucfan47

Let's just agree to let the on-the-field results speak for themselves.

If the team is talking of bringing in DE Jason Taylor, who's washed up and couldn't get to the QB in Washington last season, then that should help to shed alittle light into the situation. I know it won't with many of you, but it should.

12:32pm, April 29, 2009

sunrisejeff

Well J Taylor was hurt so I dont know if I'd go that far in regards to last season. Oh by the way just heard the Saints released Hollis Thomas today....if this coach likes big space eater DT's I think he'd be worth a look.

2:12pm, April 29, 2009

bucfan47

sunrisejeff - If they felt he had anything left in the tank, they sure would not have dumped him with the additions of Haynesworth and Orakpo. At least one would think. If he had anything left you gotta keep him around with a beast like Haynesworth in the middle.

C'mon sunrisejeff, me and you could possibly record a sack with Haynesworth in the middle! lol

I don't like dumping veterens and resigning veterans on the defense. If they do it's just a bad decision and they'll overpay for the production he'll bring us at this stage. The DT position is what needs addressed. Gaines can get pressure with more push up the middle. We just don't have anyone I foresee being consistent this year at doing it.

3:04pm, April 29, 2009

LordJim

Yo. Enough with the personal attacks on BucFan47. He hasn't insulted any of you. He's brought up rational points - which many of you many disagree with - and you've responded with venom and character aspersions.

Do I dislike the pick? Yes, because as I have pointed out, this team was 9-3 and on the inside track for the 2 seed before Monte sabotaged this team and his legacy. Say what you will about Gruden collecting second-hand talent, he WON with it. The thing that I resent now is that we are in a rebuilding season and it's by choice, not by necessity. That being said, Jagodzinksi knows quarterbacks. I hope they ran Freeman by him a million times and it isn't our DBs coach and an overwhelmed GM who signed off on him. We'll find out in eighteen months. In the meantime, lets hope that Bates has one hell of a plan.

3:08pm, April 29, 2009

sunrisejeff

lol I hear ya Bucfan47....but at 6'8 305 I don't think I make a very good DE :P I've been a huge JT fan for a long time so I may be a little biased on that front. Any thoughts on Hollis for a one year contract? 6'0 340lbs is a hell of a space eater.

3:35pm, April 29, 2009

Pewterdude

FA is still not over....there will be some surprise cuts due to the draft and the signing of undrafted college players. The question is do the Bucs have the flexibility to sign a veteran player as a stop gap for not addressing certain positions in the draft and will the Glazers spend some money on a few quality FA's that will be released at positions of need for the Bucs.
There are still going to be a few players that will fit the team's needs in FA and by having the cap room, we will see just how comitted the ownership is in signing the few remaining players that will be available, It's not not player signings are over....

6:49pm, April 29, 2009

Pewterdude

My bad...on that last sentence make that : "It's not LIKE player signings are over...."

6:52pm, April 29, 2009

Pewterdude

If Mike Mayock and Jon Gruden think it's a good pick to sign Freeman for the Bucs (on NFL Network) for the draft then that's good enough for me...Remember Freeman had a very impressive combine workout that made many change their opions about his college numbers

6:56pm, April 29, 2009

bucfan47

Just keep in mind that most all QB's look good at the combine. It's very easy to look good in a T-shirt and shorts. Not having to make reads, quick decisions...

If QB's don't look good at the combine then they'll never make it. I think the Mike Mayock and Mel Kiper grade is promising. At least they didn't knock the team when everyone else has, including myself and many others.

Still doesn't mean it was a good draft by any stretch. And regarding Gruden, he's not going to disagree with the organization if they'd have picked pac-man's clone in this draft, so I wouldn't read a whole lot into that. Although I do feel that Gruden is geniunely supportive of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and really wants to see them do well. We all do.

Hell, they've only won one SuperBowl in 30+ years. We all want another one..Just seems so far away right now.

7:02pm, April 29, 2009

Pewterdude

Do you think it's fair to say that Morris is somewhat of a DB guru in the same sense that Gruden is a QB guru which is why they drafted a corner so late?

The Buc's QB coach Rich Olson is somewhat of a QB guru as well so Freeman's in a very supportive atmosphere and is willing to work as well so these are huge positive factors in terms of fit. He fits the team as witnessed by Morris who spent a season up close and day to day with Freeman and knows his work ethic firsthand and Freeman has one of the best position coaches in the league, wants to be a Buc which many FA's don't, and he's a hard worker. It's more about fit with this pick in my opinion.

7:07pm, April 29, 2009

Pewterdude

This draft can't be assessed until a few years down the road and the positions that appear to be neglected remain to be seem as to whether the coaching can develop what we have and how soon. What if the team has a very good coaching staff at developing seemingly mediocre talent at certain positions? I"m gonna just wait and see how this staff develops what the team has and I have doubts about certain positions such as WR that simply doesn't HAVE the talent across the board IMO but it still remains to be seen with a new coaching staff.

What if the staff which is very experienced and fiery actually knows how to develop players and Morris comes across awkward with the media but comes across perfectly with his team?
-Visions from a Gruden lover as head coach-

7:13pm, April 29, 2009

bucfan47

JDouble, Not even going to get into how unintelligent your comments regarding the NFL analysts were, but I'll just say this.....The National Football league is not going to have Solomon Wilcots hosting many of the interviews and offering analysis if they do not have intellect of what's going on around the league. That's just insane.

First of all, since you obviously don't know, they both are two of the most well respected NFL analyst in the business. If you listened to them ever, which I can tell you don't, you wouldn't offer incorrect assumptions about them. They host one of the most popular shows on the radio today, and maybe if you weren't so tight in the wallet you could fork out the monthly membership and learn some things. They interview coaches, players, and GM's on a daily basis, so I think they're connected more than you offer credit.

After all, I know it's easy to get upset when individuals who know more than you offer bad outlooks for your team. Anyway. Done with that. Your not very intelligent. Sorry.

The lastest mock draft posted on NFL.com offers only one possible starter out of this draft for the upcoming season (not good) but obviously it's only another opinion. It doesn't mean anything, right?

Tampa Bay Buccaneers: C+
The rebuilding Buccaneers drafted for the future, moving up two spots to select Kansas State quarterback Josh Freeman. He is a developmental player who might not take the field this year. DT Roy Miller, a third-round pick from Texas, is likely the only draft pick who will get significant playing time this season. If Freeman pans out, this could prove to be a solid draft.

8:36pm, April 29, 2009

bucfan47

Pewterdude - It's so very hard to say what these coaches are going to do. My gut tells me they will be good coaches, but it all boils down to talent on the field.

Coaches don't win football games, neither do individual players. Individual players make plays, but TEAMS win games.

I'm actually assuming for a moment in time that most of these coaches WILL in turn, be good coaches for the players. The problem I have with the new guys is the overall scope of how to run the franchise. It's assumed all too often that coaches KNOW how to coach and GM's KNOW how to manage.

I think the decision to give TE Kellon Winslow a new contract was a VERY unwise decision at this point in time. It was not earned, and I'm not so sure that wasn't negogiated before the trade was ever signed off on. I was not a fan of that. It's going to be interesting to see just how Dominik manages the cap over the next few seasons.

One big signing here, one big signing there, combined with the fact it appears we are headed for a top 5-10 pick next season will put another huge dent in our salary cap. It's a good thing for teams like Atlanta that Matt Ryan panned out for them last year. The team is virtually married to him and would be in the tank for years had he been a bust from day 1. Same goes for Detroit this year. Just go back and look at some of these players that were drafted from day 1 and all these teams that have been forced to make salary cap room for these players, only to significantly over-pay for them before they even hit the field.

That's exactly why teams HATE, and I mean HATE, having a pick in the top 5. No team wants to be there because as Owners and GM's, they know the risk in the selections.

I can't help but look at this draft as one that's not going to do much of anything in terms of helping our team win games for next season. I don't view any of these guys as being day 1 starters. None. I really don't. Do I see some of these guys getting playing time? Sure. But not starters from day 1.

There were plenty of starting players from day 1 in this draft, we just chose not to take any. I have no idea why. I got nothing on that. Eventually maybe the GM will address that down the road.

If we select in the top 5 next season, that's another enormous amount of pressure that will be placed upon their shoulders that no GM or coach wants. You NEVER want to select there, even if you're rebuilding. You can REBUILD much quicker by avoiding having to sign any individual player to an absurd contract before he's proven if he can play.

So all in all it's a cycle that has implications down the road for our franchise. I just hope these guys really know what they're doing and aren't just flying by the seat of their pants.

Because I've gotta be honest. Right now, it appears they are very shaky interms of the direction. They're reaching...to me.

8:54pm, April 29, 2009

j3mann

didnt like the pick initially and saw bust written all over him but who can know what this man is capable of. i remember when falcon fans were pist off that ryan was picked over dorsey due to rebuilding need.
my biggest concern is that by the time this kid is done sitting at the end of the bench for 1-2 years our OC is moving on and he will be set up for failure with the next OC or HC that replaces. this guy might be great if the politics of this sport doesnt screw it up. how many great QBs have passed through tampa when the organization was bad on their way to becoming HOFs with other teams. i have more faith in him than i do the need of losing ball clubs to change regimes.
i hope he gets the chance that so many young QBs never had under the poor coach and/or ownership that has plagued this organization for it's entire existence.

10:51pm, April 29, 2009

Pewterdude

Ruud should have been the ONE player to get an early extension based on pure performance IMO, and I thought Flip should have signed for more than one year and I also think that
Antonio Bryant should be given the security that he's seeking with a contract that is long on years more than crazy dollars.

I wouldn't have minded Winslow2 getting a reasonable extension which his is pretty reasonable but Ruud should have been taken care of first IMO.

47,

I still don't think that you're entertaining the possibility that Morris' coaching staff may actuallay develop these players to take their games to a higher level. Obviously coaches don't play but good coaches get the maximum performance out of players that average coaches can't extract from the same players and the Bucs do have some very experienced coaches at several positions (especially Pete Mangurian over the OL, Morris will still work with the DB's, Olson is like a Jaworski when it comes to film study of QB's, and DC Jim Bates has years of NFL experience coaching defense.)

There still remains a possibility that this staff is better at developing our seemingly mediocre players at certain positions than we may know.

I don't see Richard Mann (27 years of pro coaching experience/7 with the Bucs) developing our current group of WR's as he didn't correct Clayton's drops, nor integrate Maurice Stovall (3rd rounder in '06) or take Dexter Jackson's game to a higher level when we burned a 2nd rounder on him
in last year's draft. To get nothing significant from a 2nd rounder in last year's draft and a 3rd rounder in '06 doesn't speak well of Mann's ability to develop our very weak stable of WR's. Antonio Bryant was already developed but had a 'tude that was unbearable and Hilliard's game didn't need to be developed as he had an almost career ending neck injury with the Giants but bounced back very well with the Bucs and was already very polished coming from Spurrier's Gator team that won the national title that Hilliard had a large part of that team's success.

To think that Mann is gonna develop the current roster of WR's after Clayton is just not consistent with what he hasn't done with higher drafted picks which means that the team has not and will not IMO improve at the WR spot unless they get more talent. Another year of Paris Warren again? Haven't we been down that road several years now?

2:01am, April 30, 2009

scubog

LordJim: Do you realize that on this piece alone, Bucfan47, the self-proclaimed sage of Knoxeveryone'sopinionsVille, Tennessee has posted 15 times and specifically called out 7 other posters?

6:04am, April 30, 2009

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