Hmmm.....Chucky soon to follow?

Gruden would certainly fit in with the Redskins as well - very interesting.

Great move by Washington. It had already been talked about Gruden going to the Skins and that was why Haynesworth went there and not Tampa. Dumb a$$ Glazers.

That was a great hire by the Redskins.

It's only a good hire for the redskins, not great, as Snyder has his hands in the cookie jar too much.

If it does happen, it will be interesting to see how many of our good coaches that are still here jump ship. I would not blame them.

I would say Rich would be gone. I would love to hear his take off-the-record about these new set of coaches. I would think he's probably on depression medication right now. Sorry Rich.

You know I have to do this again to Raheem. Sorry Morris, but you continue to amaze me week-to-week.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/121509-schein-how-mighty-giants-defense-has-fallen

"Raheem Morris: How does your team get called for 12 men on the field when the clock is stopped? How do you throw the ball on the first play of the game when your rookie quarterback got picked off five times the week before? How does Morris hold this job?"

Perfect fit. Snyder is just as much of a prick as Allen. I'm sure they will have a great time blowing all Snyder's money on big FAs together.

Good for Allen. I'm sure this is his dream job since his dad coached for the Redskins and all.

That's on a personal note; as a Bucs fan the move doesn't put any fear in my heart. He wasn't exactly the Bill Parcels or Holmgren of decision making on personel. His drafting and college evaluation skills suck.

I think Gruden would leave that ESPN gig in a heartbeat to coach the Redskins. His ego is too big. He left his contract with the NFL Network to be on MNF, so why wouldn't he leave them to do his favorite thing in the world?

My buddy who is a Cowboys fan thinks this is a festivus miracle.

Maybe Allen drafts better with well paid scouts.... I doubt it but i've been wrong before.

Jdouble and Pinkstob totally agree with you guys. If Gruden goes to the Skins thats pretty much the end for morris.

Allen couldn't draft, but he could evaluate pro talent, especially as it fit Gruden's needs. With an uncapped year coming up and Snyder desperately wanting to win, you'd better believe that Gruden is inbound and we are going to get utterly destroyed by them next year.

It's a perfect fit for both Gruden and Allen. An owner that actually wants to spend money on players. Imagine that? Couple that with Allen's creative ways at making sure the cap is managed, Synder just stepped back into elite status, especially if he lands Gruden. I'll bet Tom Cruise buys season tickets if he pulls that off..

And if it's really going to be uncapped, that's an automatic advantage for Gruden and Allen, having the top revenue earning frachise in the NFL. The Redskins and a few others will be like the Yankees of baseball. Plenty of potential there. If there's indeed no cap, I'm not sure there is a better gig in sports.

"Allen becomes the first person hired by owner Daniel Snyder to hold the title of general manager." per ESPN.

Maybe in his meeting to take the job his deal was to be given the keys!!!!!

Redskins stock= on the rise

Bucs............steady decline

This really isn't much of a story. Allen has an eye for money, not talent, even on the Pro Level. Dominik handled a lot of the pro scouting while Allen was here.

I seem to remember PR reporting that the extent of Allen's scouting was watching a couple of college games on Saturdays. He pretty much just picked whoever everyone else in the room said was good at a certain position he think we needed.

Over the past 6-7 years Snyder and Allen have put nothing but mediocre players on the field using two different methods with the same result. If anything this was done as a ploy by Snyder to get Gruden, not Allen's personnel "talent".

Or maybe Snyder just needs someone to tell him, "Don't spend all your money on overhyped players the first day of FA". "I can save you money and bring in different players that will allow your team to play just as averagely."

In 3 months they'll be offering us or Oakland a 4th rounder for either J. Johnson or B. Gradkowski to be their starter.

WISH the best for both. Will not miss any coach that leaves here for DC.

pinky - I totally disagree man. If there's no CBA, it's not going to be exactly like MLB baseball in that teams like Washington and Dallas can just outspend everyone else and get all the best players, as there is more restrictions this time around, but it's still going to give them a huge advantage over other franchises.

I think whether it's Gruden or Shannahan that lands the Washington job, or perhaps somone else, that's going to be one of the best coaching gigs in the NFL. You got an owner that's more than willing to spend money, which is certainly a positive if your a coach and GM, it just takes the right leadership to bring it all together, and I think Allen is 100% the right man for the job. Everyone respects his ability as GM, and like it or not, this is one of the best franchises in sports. People would kill to manage or coach the Redskins.

Also, Snyder has never allowed anyone under his leadership to hold the title of GM. That's always been his title (Owner/GM), so it's definitely a step in the right direction for the Skins. They've suffered long enough.

Kinda like this organization is about to go through. A long rebuild back to playing competitive football.

One uncapped year doesn't mean squat. Who would be stupid enough to go out and try to be the Yankees of the NFL? The following year the CBA will be agreed upon and the cap will resume and any team that went hog wild signing big FA contracts will be in cap hell and have to cut half the team.

Even in an uncapped year there are still limitations on free agents. That being said I think this is a good fit for the Redskins as well....especially if gruden heads there. Whether his "message" ran stale in Tampa with the players or not fact remains he is a succesful coach and I don't doubt he'd see some degree of success there as well. Either way I wish the guy well.....he brought us something I'd never thought I'd see in Tampa, a superbowl, after all.

That's your opinion. It may be one year, it may not.

I hope Gruden goes to the Redskins,than maybe the Gruden lovers will follow,than we wont have to listen to them whine all the time.............lol......had to say it before someone else did.

That's an older article, but the comment still stands by Upshaw. So if your wrong JDumbass, then YES, places like Washington and Dallas become primetime coaching jobs, thus why they are receiving so much publicity from the media.


http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/stories/022608dmspocowbriefs.3af6996.html

If the owners opt out, the current structure will stay in place through 2010; 2011 would be an uncapped season. NFLPA president Gene Upshaw has said once there is an uncapped year, a salary cap would never return.

Here is a very good article as to just how big this is for the Redskins and their future success. If the deal is not signed, Bruce Allen has virtually agreed to GM the Yankees of the NFL. He's the NFL's version of George Steinbrenner, only in his case, Mr. Stenbrenner is Snyder, who's been all-in for years when it comes to paying for talent.

This is huge news.


http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/2008-05-20-owners-labor-deal_N.htm

ATLANTA — Since purchasing the Washington Redskins in 1999, Dan Snyder has been defined by bold moves. He lured Hall of Fame coach Joe Gibbs out of retirement in 2004 and had a payroll of nearly $100 million in 2000 after adding aging veterans Deion Sanders, Bruce Smith and Jeff George.
So imagine Snyder — whose team plays in the NFL's largest stadium, FedEx Field, and in 2007 earned NFL-high revenue estimated at $312 million — in an uncapped year.


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The prospect of the NFL playing the 2010 season without a salary cap, triggered by the owners' decision to opt out of its collective bargaining agreement two years early, might provide cash-flush owners with the opportunity to stock teams as never before.

THE DETAILS: Owners unanimously decide to opt out of CBA

Snyder, though, insisted Tuesday that he didn't envision stocking up in 2010 despite the possibility of losing the constrictions of a salary cap.

"No, not at all," said Snyder, whose team didn't make a big splash in free agency this offseason. "We've always been aggressive in free agency, but I think you can see from this year that it's been based on when we've had more needs in some years than we had in other years."

The 2010 season looms as a Pandora's box, given the financial disparity between some NFL teams. According to Forbes, the Redskins grossed $130 million more in 2007 than the Minnesota Vikings.

That fuels questions of whether the league's competitive balance could be skewed by a free-for-all environment.

Despite the disparities, it's difficult to predict how an uncapped 2010 would unfold, given the conditions attached to an uncapped year:

• The top eight playoff finishers from the previous season would be allowed to sign free agents only at the rate at which they lose them.

• Players would need six NFL seasons to be eligible for free agency, rather than four.

• Each team would be allowed to restrict two eligible free agents with "franchise" or "transition" player tags, rather than one.

The biggest impact of an uncapped year might be the timetable both sides face to strike a new deal. The prospect of an uncapped year in 2007 was a driving force that led to the collective bargaining agreement in March 2006. Players union chief Gene Upshaw sees an uncapped year as a point of no return, saying once players get out of a salary-cap system, they wouldn't agree to another in ensuing years.

"That's what we see as a realistic deadline," Upshaw said, referring to the league year starting in March 2010. "If nothing is done by then ... I'm not going to try to sell players on cap again. I don't know who will, but it won't be me. Once we go through the cap, why should we get it again?"

Countered commissioner Roger Goodell, "In 1993 we didn't have a capped system and we got one. So I'm sure there will be a lot of rhetoric about a no-cap system, but we were able to make that transition before, and we'll be able to do it again if necessary."

In an uncapped year, Upshaw said, players would receive more than the 60% of total revenue that is currently central to the rift with owners. Upshaw said even with the prospect of an uncertain 2010, he is advising players to sign long-term deals if the numbers work. He thinks that could supply players with leverage in renegotiations.

Some teams are already operating in anticipation of an uncapped year. Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones said he has thought for months about 2010 and how decisions that include signing players to long-term contracts weigh against the potential upheaval of the system.

"One thing is certain," Jones said. "It will become a bigger challenge for everybody."

Jones made two moves Tuesday that surely reflected his planning. He signed cornerback Terence Newman (six years, $50 million) and running back Marion Barber III (seven years, $45 million) to deals that will tie them to the team through 2014. By signing them before a 3 p.m. deadline Tuesday, Dallas avoided accounting rules that go into effect with the revised collective bargaining agreement.

Now, even though he's no longer alive, there's still a good chance it never returns if they vote it down.

Wow! I used to give credence to what some of the doomsday prophets (ala Bucfan47, etc...) would say. But they're harping the Redskins as one of the great places to work. Are you f-ing kidding me? Without question bucfan, this is the dumbest argument you've ever tried to defend. Ever. The Redskins have two winning seasons out of the last 8. Two. They have done absolutely nothing since Dan Snyder took over. They are in the bottom 5 of wins per dollar spent in the NFL over the past decade. They are the definition of a franchise without a master plan that changes course each off season in the attempt to fix their problems with money. What they're left with every season: an expensive mess.

The Redskins are an inferior version of the Cowboys (who by the way, haven't won a playoff game since 1996) - a rich team with a meddling owner whose main goal is to win in the headlines during the offseason.

And Gruden to the Redskins? Do you really think Allen wants to hear about being Gruden's puppet again? He got no credit for his work in Oakland, and was always deemed as "the guy who came the year AFTER the Bucs won the Super Bowl" in Tampa. I guarantee he's ready to break free from that stigma.

And why exactly would Gruden be itching to go to the Redskins. Name one definitive star on that offense. Show me the great QB Gruden has been itching to work with. Campbell? Portis? Santana Moss? Please.

You doomsday prophets actually think Gruden wouldn't prefer Dallas (Romo, Miles austin, Witten, 3 decent RB's) or Houston (Schaub, Andre Johnson) as a better opportunity to unleash his offensive prowess?

I'm sorry - I've read all the doomsday prophets rants about how poorly the Bucs are run. But when you guys start using the Redskins as your model of excellence - everything you've ever said before goes out the window. Everything.

FilmBuc - Let me remind you that Tampa was a very bad place to work until Tony Dungy arrived. Every organization goes through their moments. Washington has had more ups than Tampa, and many other organizations. Their owner has been alot like Jerry Jones and this move leads me to believe he's learned something. You leave football decisions up to those who know football, something Jerry Jones has not figured out.

I am not suggesting in no way that Washington is the best, most well-run organization. I'm merely suggesting that Allen has a great opportunity to do what he done in Oakland and Tampa, only the sky is the limit in Washington given the FACT their owner is willing to spend money on the organization.

That's where I'm coming from.

And yes, it COULD be a premier job for any coach LONG-TERM. If the cap doesn't return, and there is a good chance it will not, then Washington and Dallas, along with a few other high-income earning teams become the places coaches wanna go.

Name me one MLB baseball manager who wouldn't die to manage the Yankess?

Whether it's Gruden, Shannahan, or someone else, just the willingness that Synder has shown by finally naming someone an actual GM, tells me alot about their direction. I'm not saying they are headed back to the SuperBowl anytime soon, but this is easily the best decision their organization has made in a long-time. Not just because it's Allen, whom many in the NFL-ranks have long respected, it could have been any respected GM. It just needed to be done a long time ago.

Owners who act as GM's just don't know the game. They know business, and they need to allow football minds to run their business. Jones has been unwilling to do that since he's owned the team. Snyder appears to be showing more progress in his willingness to improve.

Well, I hope he does take that other coach with him, and all of these fake a** BUC fans too. You guys know who you are! Go BUCS!!!! We will get Better!!!!!!

per John Clayton, ESPN, there is a realistic chance Mike Holmgren accepts the Vice-President of Football Operations job offered by the Cleveland Browns. An announcement either way could come as early as this weekend, but Browns players were reported to be chanting "We want Holmgren" after practice.

FYI.

Don't like our opinions? Ok to express yours? Then don't read ours dumb a$$ .

bucfan47 that has got to be the longest post ever, seriously dude.

good luck to Bruce in dc. but do not assume he is going to dc, holmgren is going to want him in Cleveland or Seattle.

Maybe the Panthers will be stupid and fire John Fox. If so, we could make him our head coach and he might be able to get Peppers to come with him since Peppers is a FA this year. I think Fox is a great coach and I love what he's done in Carolina. Can you imagine if we had Suh and Peppers on our D-line next year? I'm dreaming I know, but still....that would be awesome.

I just wish so bad we'd get a coach like Fox or Cowher that is experienced and is all about running the ball and stopping the run. That's all I want.

1. Big mean physical defense.

2. Unstoppable power running game.

3. Happy JDouble

Bucfan - of course I see your point. He is with an organization that WILL spend money - giving him full range to go out and get whoever he wants (Though I am one of the few who do believe a new CBA will be in place by next season - both sides are pandering right now - they both know that in this economic recession it would be foolish to mess with the wildly successful NFL).

Let me go on record as saying that I was completely AGAINST the firing of Allen and Gruden. Completely. I was a huge fan of them. But after this season - my perceptions have changed. I think even more highly of Gruden and how he was able to squeeze 9 wins out of last year's roster.

But.. I think less of Allen. Not a single player that left the Bucs last offseason is having success anywhere else. So no one can argue that a load of talent escaped the Bucs. The majority of this roster is from Allen's watch. He's hugely responsible with leaving the bucs with a roster that is 1-12.

Without a coach like Gruden helping the talent exceed its expectations - the truth has been revealed. That truth reflects poorly on Allen.

Want another example: look at how the Raiders have fared with the team he left them with.

My point: this is just another example of Snyder hiring a "name" to make headlines in the newspapers - to win in the newspapers. I do not root against Allen, but don't be surprised in three years when we're reading about another big name who will "finally turn the Skins around".

As for Gruden - I hope for his sake that he avoids the Redskins mess. Snyder's ego is too big to let Gruden make it HIS team. I trluy hope he goes some place like Dallas, Chicago, or Houston - a place were he can get his brain on the likes of Romo, Cutler, or Schaub so we can finally see the true potential of what his offense is capable of.

JDouble

Sounds like you're pining for the 1999 Bucs team.

Hey FilmBuc - for what ist's worth the last 2 playoff losses for the bucs came from the Redskins - 1 & done.

Not just the 99' Bucs...I miss the Bucs under Dungy period. Running the ball with Thunder and Lightning and dominating people with our defense was great football. I never really cared that our passing game sucked. All we needed was a TE like Winslow back then and we'd been perfect imo.

I really don't want us to strive for an offense like the Colts or Saints. I miss Dungy ball. That's what attracted me to the Bucs in the first place. I started watching football in the early 90's and followed the Denver Broncos because that was my dad's team. By 95' I moved to Cocoa Beach FL, watched one Tampa game and was in love. I am a defensive guy thru and thru, plus watching Alstott plow thru people was great entertainment in it's self.

I just wanna see us get back to playing Buc ball. It's like when they switched up the divisions and put us in the south with Carolina, the Panthers stole our identity. We tried to become something else under Gruden, but it never panned out. Now the Panthers are exactly what we use to be, and we have no identity at all. Sucks.

I can see it now; BF47 changes his name to RS47.

Washington is the perfect place for the return of Allen/Gruden. Do you people really think Dan Snyder is going to change? Yes, he is willing to write a check to acquire any name player. The problem is, that approach has done little for that team's success on the field. Talk about underachieving.

Anyone whose ever had a job hates a meddling boss. If Gruden arrives on the doorstep, poor Allen's puppet strings will be pulled in two directions by his Owner and Coach.

If Gruden follows, it will be interesting to follow this story as it unfolds. Should this duo win a SB next season, will it be with Jim Zorn's team? How long do they get to return the Skins to the great George Allen's glory? Shouldn't it be less with the open checkbook? I can hear Ol' George now "Hip Hip Hooray!"

FilmBuc - It actually benefits the owners to NOT have a salary cap. They can then pay players what they choose. Most of the high-income earning teams (ala Minn., Dallas., Wash.) don't want to sign this CBA. They want an uncapped year and for it to never return.

scu - To me, there is not a better job in all of football than the Redskins, regardless of their mistakes in the past. Everyone has made mistakes, as it took the Bucs 30+ years to win a SuperBowl. Snyder has deep pockets, and he's been in control of that team in situations in which he had no business. This appears to be a step in the right direction, and if they land the right big-name coach, they are now cooking with gas.

The right coach is not going to accept the job based on Synder having full control. That's just not how this next gig is going to work. I think he's a brilliant business man, and his press conference yesterday told me he was ready to step down as decision maker, and allow a football mind to take over. His money is all that's needed to bring them SuperBowls, not his football knowledge, and I think he NOW realizes it and Jerry Jones still doesn't get it.

The two most likely candidates appear to be Mike Shannahan and Jon Gruden. Mike will be in high-demand and will likely be able to choose between any of the elite teams that have job openings, and he has long been none as a guy that doesn't take orders. So IF Synder lands him, he will not be in control of that franchise like he has in the past. If it's Gruden, he already has a job, and will continue recieving just as-good a salary with ESPN and Tampa (2 checks coming in) so he has no reason to sign on with such a struggling franchise unless he gets things that he wants.

My point with those two coaches is money is not the object, both of those caliber guys are about winning SuperBowls, and neither of them come to Washington in this fans opinion without first being allowed to bring in their guys and secondly, they will want full-reign of being able to select their rosters year-to-year.

If Synder is unwilling to do that, Washington can always continue to get third-tier coaches.

Bucfan,

Fortunately for the Bucs - the vote of smaller market teams is equal to the votes of the big market. For the Buc's sake - a new CBA with a salary cap has to be reached. Otherwise, you'll see a situation similar to the Rays trying to compete with the Yanks and red sox.

I do believe there are more small market teams than the big spenders. For the Bucs to turn it around quickly, they will need a new CBA - one that allows them to roll over their cap room (again) giving them the upper hand in the free agent market.

It looks as if they are headed into an uncapped year.

Professional sports need a cap. Without it you have a few teams that have the most money that dominate every single year. It's boring and lame....like baseball. I wouldn't even follow the NFL if the Cowboys and Redskins were allowed to buy championships every year. The cap keeps things competetive between all 32 teams and that's the way it will stay.

How can they buy championships when they are in the same league and division. One will succeed and one will fail. But every team in that division can spend money.