Dirty Dozen

The Bucs defense has played better since head coach Raheem Morris took over as defensive coordinator (photo by Cliff Welch/Pewter Report)

The Bucs defense has played better since head coach Raheem Morris took over as defensive coordinator (photo by Cliff Welch/Pewter Report)

Pewter Report president and avid Tampa Bay fan Hugh MacArthur offers up 12 takes on the Buccaneers in his Dirty Dozen column. Should Raheem Morris and Mark Dominik stay on in 2010? How did the Glazers lose fan support? Can the Bucs beat the Saints? The answers and more are inside the Dirty Dozen.



 
Some long-time readers may remember a column I used to author for PewterReport.com called the Dirty Dozen, which included my take on the Buccaneers and the NFL as seen through the eyes of a fan. I tend to leave the hardcore reporting and daily coverage of the Buccaneers to the able and experienced staff of Pewter Report, but occasionally like to offer up my thoughts on what I see regarding the Bucs and other teams each Sunday.

Alas, the time constraints of my day job outside of owning Pewter Report, Inc. forbid me to publish a Dirty Dozen on a regular basis, but I hope you enjoy this edition and I'm sure I'll be checking in with another column or two at some point during the offseason. Until then, enjoy the Dirty Dozen and the holiday season, and thank you for your continued support of Pewter Report and PewterReport.com. We have some big, exciting changes coming in the months ahead centered around a new PewterReport.com website.

1. While taking a far-too-long break from putting together this column, I have been thinking about the state of our Bucs this holiday season. Is it me, or is there more harsh opinion in the world this year? Maybe it’s the economy, or the political wranglings in Washington, but I sense less patience and more sarcasm in general. I sense these feelings about our Tampa Bay Buccaneers in particular. The fishwraps seem inclined to call out coaches and front office types and demand heads on a plate less than a calendar year into their tenure. Judging from the comments across many sites, including PewterReport.com's active message boards, some fans feel the same way. Certainly 2-12 is a huge disappointment. I called on this team to compete for the NFC South title myself before the season following a 9-7 campaign last year. But, is it time to throw the baby out with the bathwater? My answer is no. Not yet.  

2. One big reason it isn’t time for heads to roll is that those that would do the rolling bear some responsibility for what we have seen this season. Yes, I am talking about ownership. As I sat and watched the stadium empty against the Jets, just a few doors down from where the Glazers were sitting, I couldn’t help but wonder what they were thinking. The Jets game was disturbing. It was awful. The stadium was not full at the start, and by the fourth quarter the few who were left wore Gang Green colors and chanted J-E-T-S far more times than I cared to hear. Beyond the panic of seeing a stadium devoid of Bucs’ fans, what was a Glazer to think?

a. What I thought was that the roots of this Jets game go back well beyond this season. They go back beyond last season. In fact, the roots stretch all the way back to February of 2008. That was when the Glazers got an idea. A perfectly awful idea. They raised ticket prices. Not a little, but a lot. Prices went up 30 percent or more for many seats. Fans were rightly outraged. Many did not renew their seats. That 100,000 name waiting list, if it was ever reality, became more mythic that day.

b. I had already noticed a difference in fan passion just a month before, in January of 2008. I noticed it during the Bucs vs. Giants playoff game after a 9-7 season in 2007 produced the NFC South title. It wasn’t that the stadium was empty for the game. It was full. It was that too many Bucs fans came dressed as Giants fans. There was too much blue. It was a shock to the system.  How did all of these Giants fans get into RJS? I didn’t see many Redskins fans during the 2005 playoff game. I didn’t see many Redskins fans during the 1999 playoff game. I didn’t see any 49ers fans during the 2002 playoff game. It was disconcerting to see so many of the enemy in our home stadium. It was especially disconcerting that Giants fans could apparently get tickets (and good ones) with relative ease. Home field advantage died a bit that day.

c. So, there was "no joy in Mudville" as early as January of 2008. It has to be one of the great customer misreads in franchise history to respond by raising ticket prices 30 percent just one month later.

d. Want to understand just how high these ticket increases were? Well, they resulted in the second highest average seat price in the NFL. The New England Patriots are first. That’s right, the Bucs were the second-highest. Higher than the New York teams. Higher than Chicago. Higher than Philadelphia, Dallas, San Francisco and Washington. Boston’s rank in U.S. GDP per capita? Fourth.  Tampa Bay’s is 47th. Think about that. The 47th-highest GDP per capita city pays the second-highest average seat prices in the NFL, according to Team Marketing Report.

e. The 2008 season started out fine. A 9-3 record produced hopes of a number two seed and a deep playoff run. You know what happened after that – 0-4. But, the worst part of 0-4 was the last game against the Oakland Raiders. Oh, the on field result was bad, but the very worst part was the 10,000 or so Bucs fans that came to the game not dressed in enemy colors, but dressed as empty seats. With the season on the line and essentially a win-and-you’re-in game against the horrible Raiders, the Bucs couldn’t get a full-fledged 65,000 fannies in seats? If there was any doubt that change had come, it was long gone by last December.

f. Then came the front office / coaching debacles. If head coach Jon Gruden and general manager Bruce Allen deserved to be fired, then they were fired too late. Maybe Raheem Morris and Mark Dominik were the right choices to take over (more on that later), but what is undeniable is that much of the new talent to form a coaching staff or fill out a front office was long gone by the third week of January when the Glazers’ pulled the trigger. A staggering 11 NFL teams changed coaching staffs after the 2008 season. The Bucs were the last to do so, and the last to fill needs. Losing senior assistant Kevin Demoff, who was to be Dominik's righthand man, to the Rams compounded the front office problems.  

g. More coaching debacles. Apparently people other than Morris and even other than Dominik had a say in who his coaches and coordinators would be.  At least two horrible decisions resulted: the hiring of Jeff Jagodzinski as offensive coordinator and the hiring of Jim Bates as defensive coordinator. I am sure they were trying to help, but when owners get involved beyond a certain point (see Daniel Snyder, Jerry Jones and Al Davis), bad things usually happen to their franchises.

h. So, somewhere along the line the social contract between the owners and the fans got violated. I’m actually pretty sure the Glazers’ didn’t want that to happen. Who would? But happen it did, and fix it they must if they are to keep the team and keep it in Tampa. There is a palpable feeling among fans (aided and abetted by some in the media) that the Glazers do not want to spend the money necessary to field a competitive team. Articles touting that Tampa Bay was dead last in the NFL in cumulative spending on players during the last five years don’t help. Number 2 in ticket prices. Number 32 in player spending.  When you are 9-7 and flirting with the playoffs, this situation causes murmurs. When you are 2-12 and flirting with the top draft pick, this situation causes roars that not only shake down the thunder, but also echo across the season ticket base. Much higher prices for a poor product are a bad combination. This is what has happened since that fateful ticket hike in 2008.

3. But, beyond whatever responsibility ownership bears for the current product on the field, do the Buccaneers have the right front office and coaching staff to excel? My honest answer is, I don’t know. One can certainly point to mistakes in both areas that have hurt the team. Re-signing Michael Clayton was a mistake. Signing Byron Leftwich was a mistake. The overall handling of the quarterback situation in the offseason was a mistake. The list of errors is long.  But, there have been good things. It’s early, but the 2009 draft class looks like it could be the best one in years. Heck, if Josh Freeman becomes the franchise quarterback we all want him to be, it will be the best Buc draft class ever. Trading for Kellen Winslow was a good move. Cutting a bunch of veterans and team leaders, not one of which is currently on an NFL roster (pardon me ... Joey Galloway and Cato June, who has yet to do anything this season), was a gutsy, but good move. Morris calling defenses seems to be a good move.

4. So, it’s hard to tell, isn’t it? I mean, Dominik and Morris have done some good and some bad. They are new to their respective job titles. But, they had a lousy hand to start with, didn’t they? I mean, if this was Texas Hold ‘em, they might not have been dealt a two – seven off-suit, but they certainly had no better than a Doyle Brunson before their opening bid (my apologies to the non-poker players). So, my vote is for continuity. Give Dominik more resources in the front office if he needs them, and make sure Morris is happy with all of his coaches and their approach to the game. Time to invest for the long haul.

5. And, speaking of Freeman, can we give the poor kid a chance? Why is it taking so long for Tampa Bay to warm up to this guy? Why am I reading the fishwraps wondering if he is going to be a good pro after seven starts? Seven! Good Lord, can we give the kid a season or two before we pass final judgment? Funny how everybody says, “Oh there will be tough times for a rookie quarterback,” and then when the tough times come, suddenly the kid can’t play?! Look, he can play. Know how many 6-foot-6 quarterbacks there are in the league with Freeman’s arm and athleticism? Very few. He also seems to be mature and intelligent. But, remember, he’s 21 years old! When the kid finally got mad in the second half against the Seahawks he looked like a force of nature, especially with his determined running. Will he be a great pro? I don’t know, but I’ll tell you something: nobody else knows either, and it’s far better for all of us as fans if he does become a great pro. So, how about we root like crazy for the guy until he proves us wrong?

6. I once compared the realization that you have a bad football team and recovering from that to become a good football team, to the five phases of death: denial, anger, bargaining, depression and acceptance. Obviously, you need a happier ending than death if you’re a football team, so I edited the sequence to go denial, fear, anger, hope and confidence. I looked at the first two games of this season as the denial phase, which was Leftwich and the “we’ll be all right” press conferences. When Josh Johnson entered the fray, we officially moved to the fear phase. The coming of Freeman was ensured at this point. I have been waiting and waiting since that time for the coming of anger. The Bucs have been in the fear phase for a long, long time. The fans could sense the lack of confidence and many openly wondered how badly the Bucs would get blown out from week to week. Was this team ever going to get angry? Was it ever going to say “I’m mad as hell and I am not going to take it anymore?” I think that maybe, just maybe, we saw the anger phase begin during the second half of the Seahawks’ game.

a. The Cory Redding cheap shot on Freeman while the whistles were blowing during a false start finally ignited this team. Freeman was angry. Hadn’t seen that emotion from him on the field before. Donald Penn was angry. There was pushing and shoving.

b. And lo and behold, there was some fight in the 2009 edition of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. A team that had been pushed around all season and certainly all during the first half on Sunday, wasn’t going to take it anymore.

c. The Seahawks rushed for 118 yards in the first half, and just 10 in the second half en route to being shut out.

d. The Buccaneer offense scored 21 unanswered points in the second half, and when they got ahead, they put their collective foot on the necks of the Seahawks and pushed down.

e. You think the Seahawks had any shot of stopping a 6-foot-6, 260-pound freight train on that quarterback draw for a two-point conversion? Me neither.  Bring back those third-and-shorts from the first half and let Freeman run the QB sneak.

7. So, will we see continued anger or perhaps even hope in New Orleans on Sunday? No idea, but I don’t think we’ll see regression to fear again. This team is irritated, and as last week showed, that’s a good thing.

8. Sammie Stroughter, I will miss watching you the next two games. Is this kid a gamer or what? Punt returns, kick returns, clutch catches. He is one tough football player. Absolutely love him and look forward to watching him develop next year.

9. Yes, the wins are more important than the draft position. They just are. Fans can debate, but coaches and players try their best to win every single week. What goes on the film helps decide who keeps or loses their job next year.  Regardless of where the Bucs pick, they will likely have the chance to get the top player at a certain position. The team has enough needs that making a good choice will yield excellent results.

a. And yes, I know that Gaines Adams was the top-rated player at his position in 2007. I just wish the Bucs’ scouting staff and Monte Kiffin knew that all the defensive ends coming out that year were going to be lousy, so picking Gaines was essentially choosing the tallest midget.

b. Did you know that the Bucs passed on Adrian Peterson, Patrick Willis, Darelle Revis, and Jon Beason, among others, to take Adams in the first round? It wasn’t like there weren’t any top-notch players available when the Bucs picked at No. 4. It’s about the scouting, people.

c. And can we please stop with the Ndamukong Suh as savior stuff? The reality is most fans (and some in the media, but not Pewter Report) have seen the kid play one game. He had a career game against Texas. He was great. He has always been a very good player, but for him to suddenly become the consensus number one pick and in at least one genius pundit’s mind the best defensive tackle prospect to come along in 30 years, may be a bit ridiculous.

d. Look, I hope the kid (for his sake) is the next coming of Warren Sapp and Albert Haynesworth all rolled into one, but is it worth pointing out that outside of the Texas game, the combined record of teams he recorded a sack against (and most of those tackles for loss) this season was 29-43?  That only one of those teams had a winning record (four-loss Missouri), and that he didn’t record even two sacks in any other game during 2009?

e. Don’t get me wrong, I’d love for the Bucs to have a shot at drafting Suh, but isn’t the hype a little silly?

10. Does anybody know which teams are good from the NFC? At the beginning of the season I thought Chicago, the Giants and (ahem) the Seahawks were the class of the conference. This is why I keep a day job. Now, I couldn’t tell you if Philly, Dallas, New Orleans, Minnesota or even Arizona is likely to emerge from the scrum in January. I can’t help thinking that the Saints are over-rated. Right now I like the Eagles. Check back next week when I change my mind.

11. The AFC is also odd. Is there a less compelling, dominant team through 14 games than the Indianapolis Colts? As shaky as they have been, will the Colts feel very good if the Patriots come calling at Lucas Oil Stadium in January? How about the Chargers, who have made a habit of beating them the past few years? And if the Baltimore Ravens wind up as the number six seed, would it surprise you if they beat any team seeded above them? Me neither.

12. I wish all Bucs fans a peaceful, healthy and happy holiday season. However you celebrate, I hope you enjoy time with friends and family. For those unable to be with friends and family, Godspeed a quick and safe return to them. Personally, I am hoping for a number 5 jersey under the tree. Happy Holidays!
 

Comments

JDouble

Great article. Fun to read.

Just curious though Hugh, if the Bucs get absolutely destroyed like they did in the first game against the Saints...do you still think Rheem and Dom deserve another year?

Couldn't agree with #5 more.

Only thing I strongly disagree with is your attitude on Suh. The guy is an absolute beast, it wasn't just one game. He gets double and triple teamed EVERY single play, and still has good numbers/stats. More importantly check out the stats of the players around him. He is a strong leader and an smart guy, as well as the best DT to come out of college in a decade. Our world won't end if we don't get him, but let's not pretend he isn't the greatest player in this draft.

9:57am, December 24, 2009

cremdonado

Hugh- Probably one of the best reads I've had here in a while,thank you.I have been angry for so long that this team has limp wristed itself through the season.If the Bucs can find the same fire they showed in the second half of the seattle game,this team might actually have a pulse-and more importantly(since it seems we arent making a coaching move) Morris seems to finally have their ear..
Everyone including myself expects the saints to put a hurtin on us this weekend-that might happen but lets take a couple of their players with us..It would be a huge win for this team-emotionally and spiritually-I think that is what is needed most by this team-a solid showing against one of the leagues best..Good luck Tampa..
As for Suh,it still stings a bit but now that he appears out of the picture of possibilities,I have moved on..the thought of having the second coming of Sapp was an incredible dream for a fanbase that hungers for its defense to again be feared.No one player can solve our woes-we need all our picks to make an impact.the price is now too high to chase Suh,we need a solid draft and he will be forgotten.We need a sure thing in tampa,we have suffered years of lackluster drafts and another failed draft year will really set us back..I would like us to walk away from the draft with several new weapons,not just one...
I have entered the acceptance phase i guess,this team and its coaching are what they are,hopefully there is enough to grow on...

And Glazers- Eat a bowl of baby d**ks !!You are the sorriest excuse for ownership throughout the league-support your team by opening your wallets and quit raping the pockets of your fan base.The Glazers are the real problem here and their love of gay ass soccer...

10:04am, December 24, 2009

acooke2

Amen...good read

10:30am, December 24, 2009

mdtilson4

Great stuff, and we've missed your column dearly. Finally, a voice of reason on Suh, yes he's a good player, but so is Gerald McCoy, Dez Bryant, Rolando McClain.

Also a treat to read such a well written article!

10:50am, December 24, 2009

drt1066

Hugh

Don't stay away so long. This was one of the best articles.

Who knows how any college kid will play in the pros?
Ndamukong Suh was double and tripled teamed the three games that I watched. I do agree with many of the pundits that he was the most dominant defensive tackle IN COLLEGE since Warren Sapp. Hope we Buc fans get a chance to see him in Pewter.

Merry Christmas.

11:09am, December 24, 2009

bucfan47

Best article I've read since I've been a member. Hugh, you don't need those other three guys around. Do you really? lol

Listen, say what you want, but I knew there was more to the fans don't come to games than my eyes were telling me on T.V. Some poster have argued for months the stadium is full and this and that...I knew it was B.S., and this article proves the numbers.

Hugh, I know your away for the Holidays but if anyone at PR is around feel free to answer this...And I'm dead serious about this question. Will Tampa Bay Buccaneers football remain in Tampa for the next 10 years? Just curious.

11:27am, December 24, 2009

charbeth2

Charlie, let me start by addressing point #4. You say they have done some good and some bad. The problem is that they have overwhelmingly done a lot of bad. It seems like every decision they have made has been a poor one that they have had to back track on. The everyday fan saw these as bad decisions last summer. The fact that they tried to urge patience and sell us on those turkeys only infuriates the fans even more when in hindsight it turns out that we were right from the start.

On point #5, why haven't we warmed to Freeman. It's simple really, Bucs fans remember all too well Vinny Testaverde who was drafted based on his physical skills and potential. History shows us that with quarterbacks, performance is a much better predictor than potential. So far, Freeman looks exactly like he did in college, where despite SR's claim that he didn't have that much talent around him, he did not play against powerhouse defenses either. In college he was inconsistent. He looked all-american one day and perfectly awful the next. So far in the pros he has shown the exact same thing. At times he looks for all the world like the next Elway then the next minute he can't hit a wide open reciever. He looked clueless for 12 quarters and all of a sudden he turns into a worldbeater against a bad team that is struggling. Time will tell, but history tells us that while he may improve, his past performance says he is an inconsistent quarterback.

6e is another confusing thing. Why hadn't we seen that before from the coaches? Why did we send Ward wide on 4th and inches when we have that huge manchild at quarterback? Those are attitude plays that we should never lose, but we have a tentative coaching staff that until the second half of last week's game had made every wrong decision in the book.

9b what scares me about the draft is that we have less qualified people pulling the trigger this year rather than more qualified. As long as Hickey is in that front office I don't trust them to choose the right players.

I don't know if you saw anger from the players. What I can tell you is that the fans have moved well past anger to apathy. I hope that Freeman is the next Troy Aikman and turns it around next year because only a star quarterback can bring the fans back to RayJay. Winning alone won't do it. This team is devoid of stars, of impact players. People bought tickets to see Mike Alstott, Warren Sapp, John Lynch and Derrick Brooks. When I stand in the stadium during player introductions there is no one player that gets the fans excited. Yes, Caddy got a nice reception from the fans, but only because we know what he's been through. No one player turns on the fans right now. Talib could be that guy but his off the field behavior keeps us from giving him a lot of love.

11:54am, December 24, 2009

cremdonado

charbeth2- I agree about our roster lacking "stars".We need players that make OTHER team fans want to watch us...

12:20pm, December 24, 2009

0utK@ST22

I remember when Amobi Okoye was the next Sapp and super young, when Sedrick Ellis was the next Sapp and beat OL with such quickness, when Glenn Dorsey was the next Sapp-like player if he could overcome injuries and when Peria Jerry was the next Sapp but he was a 25 yr old rookie.

We will survive without Suh.....BPA afterwards: McCoy, Berry, Bryant, Okung, Mays...we could use any of them.....

12:53pm, December 24, 2009

jiggyjoe

Great read and I liked the style. My thinking on the Coaching/GM thing is just like the players; the best coach/gm works. If the Bucs can get a great Coach/GM to replace our current staff, than that is what they should do. As for the draft, "We will survive without Suh" I would much rather have the win in Seattle. That was pure gold for Buc fans. I think the owners will fix their errors too. It may take a while like in Detroit, buy they will fix their errors. Go Bucs.....

1:11pm, December 24, 2009

ChuckieWP

2h. Hmmm, how do you destroy a loyal fan base and have an excuse to move to LA? I know! Become the cheapest set of owners since Hugh Culverhouse and let a play-off caliber team rust away, then hire a couple of rookies to flush anything you might have missed down the toilet. What will remain is a half empty (half full for optimists) stadium that justifies a move out west. I hope I'm wrong.

1:31pm, December 24, 2009

charlespoupot

There are still 2 games to go until the end of the season ... IMO jury's still out on many questions raised by this post. In 2 weeks, we'll be able to pull the trigger on anything, but we have to wait now. IMO, there are few points that are for sure :
- positive : Freeman, Morris as defensive playcaller, Tanard Jackson, Aquib Talib, Roy Miller, Kellen Winslow, Sammie Stroughter, special team coordinator
- Negative : Trueblood, the offensive line, Clayton, Sims, Hovan.

And it's time for me to wish to everyone a merry christmas and Happy Holidays !!!!

2:30pm, December 24, 2009

Alll_the_way

An angry Bucs team versus an angry Saints team.

Very interesting indeed as I would hope the Bucs show they can be competitive against a team of the Saints caliber even if they are overrated.

3:04pm, December 24, 2009

martinii

Hugh, you are the man. First time this season I feel good about the team I love. I listen to all these losers who take pride in ripping into every poster who doesn't agree with them and the truth is they couldn't find there asssss with a road map if they were given the opportunity to coach a football team. Bunch of Loser want-a-Be's who just don't have a life. Thank Hugh, you tell it like it is. Its not real pretty right now, and frankly none of us know how it is going to turn out, but that's the beauty of your wisdom, We a not supposed to be able to read the tea leaves and predict the future of this team. Just sit back an see what happens and hope it is good stuff. Merry Xmas Hugh. I feel like I got to open a package early this year. Go Bucs

3:35pm, December 24, 2009

Patrik_Leskinen2

Great Article Hugh. Very perceptive, shame you aren't able to write your column more often.

6:36pm, December 24, 2009

legion3

Anyone catch the "article" on joebucs? The one about Ticket price increases? I have not seen anything that suggests Kaufman is accurate nor could I come up with any justification for such an idea.

article below

Ticket Price Increase On The Way?
December 21st, 2009
Tampa Tribune scribe eye-RAH! Kaufman was warning Bucs fans today during an interview on 1040 AM.

Asked a myriad of questions about the 2010 Bucs, Kaufman advised Bucs nation to expect a heftier invoice in the mail.

“Don’t be shocked if they raise ticket prices,” Kaufman said of the Glazer clan. Kaufman also went on to say that Bucs fans should look for the announcement late on a Friday night to avoid media attention to the increase.

7:11pm, December 24, 2009

BucCaddy

"4. So, it’s hard to tell, isn’t it?"

Well, if you instantly cut out 80% of the bad moves Raheem and Dominik have made and compare it to 100% of their good moves. Then, yes, yes it would be hard to tell.

It annoys me greatly when people talk about the "great disadvantage" they had by not having access to the top names for OC/DC. Since when is there a dearth of people interested in being NFL Coordinators? Do you REALLY believe that every possible good choice was locked up in a contract when Raheem came to power? Really?

Instead of having a 'Top 10 pick' when it came to OC/DC they had a two 2nd rounds picks to work with. And they blew it considerably. Let's not act like they were relegated to choosing coordinators from a Pop Warner league here because the 'Big Bad Glazers' gave them a late start.

8:50pm, December 24, 2009

bucfan47

^^..BucCaddy - Yes, basically that's exactly what happened. An over the hill DC that had some success many years ago and another OC that was nothing more than a college guy that had not had NFL experience in awhile.

10:36pm, December 24, 2009

baltbuc

Great article, Hugh.
It may just be me, but PR hasn't focused as much on the damage done by the Glazers to the fan base. On the other hand, there are games to cover and news about the team to discuss.

However, the Glazers are the big picture problem here. Hugh nailed it when discussing ticket prices. The cards are stacked against your team because ownership won't spend money. So you feel you are being manipulated or used, and it makes you feel like a chump for driving out to the stadium.

A lof of us are not baseball fans because we feel the Yankees and Red Sox have a massive unfair advantage over our team by spending more on one player then our entire roster. Football does not have the same structural spending bias that baseball has. At the same time, you can still see that the Glazers are just hoping to get lucky by somehow winning with a cheap roster. I bet we continue to stay at the bottom of the league in spending.

Most fans have seen enough and won't come back until the Glazers are gone or if a miracle happens and they start showing they want to spend to win.

10:38pm, December 24, 2009

wolfet

Hugh- My god man, it was like I wrote an article without the typos. Seriously, great read and I concur with your opinion. I am completely up in the air about Rah after I learned that ownership had a hand in the coordinator hires. The turning point in the season is when Freeman, Caddy, and Penn got mad. For all the talk about Trueblood being nasty, this was the time. Protect your QB. I absolutely loved Penn going after Seahawks, and you could tell Freeman got angry and played angry the remainder of the way in the game. I have some faith in Dom and Rah drafting well after a what looks to be a very good draft class. Freeman has the makings of a franchise QB, Winslow has been great and a model citizen, Miller looks to be a starter at one of the DT's, Moore book is still out, Fulton TBD but I think the kid can play and will be on the team next year, Stroughter at worst he is our third WR next year, and who knows about the CB at this point

1:57am, December 25, 2009

rockinator500

AMEN:)

8:00am, December 25, 2009

JDouble

Wolfet...the CB is Biggers, from everything I read he was looking very good in OTAs before his injury. I'm really hoping he can come back and earn a spot on this poster next year. Very good draft this year, even better when you count Winslow as our second round pick!

11:08am, December 25, 2009

Mustard

"Fish Wraps".

That's hilarious. I guess you absolved yourself of ever being distinguished as a fish wrap, ever since you converted a once proud magazine into a E-zine.

Or maybe it was just to make money while you didn't "deliver" on what you promised your customers with the price change.

Merry Christmas, readers.

11:47am, December 25, 2009

unclestan

bucfan47,

There is a difference between empty seats and being sold out.

All of the games this year, to date, were sold out-by NFL definition, non premium seats.

Fan apathy caused many to not show up, even tho they had already purchased their seats. Many also presented those seats to a non Buc fan for possibly some form of compensation. But the seats had already been paid for by the original purchaser.

1:30pm, December 25, 2009

bfarbs

Very perceptive article. Made a lot of sense..

My question is how much pressure the Glazers feel to do something "big" to keep as many season ticket holders as possible. That may weigh heavily into a coaching decision regardless of what is best for the product on the field. From everyone I have spoken with, and I mean "everyone", I think 80%+ of friends and acquaintances that have season tickets are NOT RENEWING.

I think they are doing their homework now and starting to realize that the season ticket renewal rate is going to be downright abysmal.

I am really curious to see what they do when this happens. Options include:
1.) lower season ticket prices in certain sections (especially Club)
2.) change coach
3.) splash free agency signing
4.) sell team?

4:25pm, December 25, 2009

drt1066

Outk@ST22
NONE of those guys you mentioned were thought to be on the same level as Warren Sapp.
Sapp and Suh were invited to the Heismann Award ceremony - none of those other guys were.

4:55pm, December 25, 2009

bucfan47

Don't expect #1 to happen bud.

7:46pm, December 25, 2009

Architek79

Great Read! I agree with most of it except that this team is irritated and ready to keep up that sustained fight but Sunday will tell all. I cannot help but wonder what will happen if the Glazers do not change their mind set concerning the handling of this franchise. I mean, can you imagine the NFL with no Buccaneers? This franchise does have a deep history and some of the history is not so good but hey we do have some history...The owners watching the unfilled seats have to be like watching a bully beat up on your kid after school every Sunday.
If the Glazers would stop meddling i do think things can get better but they wanted Adams and here we are now. Oh well, Happy New Years fellow Bucs and I can't wait until April.

8:19am, December 26, 2009

RustyRhino

As far as this lack of spending the past 5 years. Where we not trying to correct our payroll during this time? Yes we did spend on some bad personnel, but we did not over spend on anyone because we where in such a bad situation from Rich's free spending, bad contracts ect. I think we need to look at this as a huge reason we where not BIG spenders. My hat is off to Bruce Allen for correcting the situation. Remember the situation he took over,or is it easier to forget this fact??? and just B!TCH about not spending just to spend? Not that we are in a great position with our current players, with SO much free money available..
How did we get to that point anyway?
Again for me thanks Bruce Allen, you where frugal with spending and now are able to complain because of it.

12:59pm, December 27, 2009

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