I love Suh as well and wouldnt mind if this trade happens. But.... The bucs really need thoise picks and Johnson is a nice backup option for the bucs. Kinda conflicted with this.

Thanks PR...I'm really liking how you guys are giving your take on articles from around the web. It's another reason why I spend way too much time on this website lol. You guys can't get any better because otherwise I think my wife would leave me lol.

How about text alerts in the future?

Props, I also appreciate greatly, PR commenting on some of the more heavy rumors circulating.

PR - Do you know roughly what the difference in compensation would be when you add up the numbers?

Difference between a 1st and 3rd pick, and the compensation the team would also save by sending a 3rd pick to the Rams? Any idea how much difference there is?

The Buccaneers have not spent much in guaranteed money of the last few seasons, and even though they appear to be strapped for cash, the difference may not be too bad.

Another option might be to trade them Johnson and give them a 2nd or third in 2011. We would still have our picks for this year, keep Rudy Carpenter and add a veteran free agent QB this year. Oh, I am just dreaming again!!! The Bucs are not going to do anything and Suh will end up in Detroit or St. Louis.

The difference between the #1 and #3 pick may be around $10-15 mil. That's significant but there are also ways around that.

Perhaps the Rams wouldn't mind trading for the obvious reasons.

I think it boils down to money, value and draft picks to fill all the holes. So I don't even know if I'd trade that 3rd round pick when you consider this draft and this team. That pick in the 3rd could be a potential long term starter.

The Bucs would get better value if they traded a player instead, especially one who will potentially be cut. Somehow I see Clayton as trade bait. The other team could sell Clayton to their fans as a starter and former 1st round pick.

Trading a player like Clayton to swap with the Rams or trade back with a team like the Seahawks is more logical and they would get better value.

This Chris Steuber - who is he talking to anyway ? He looks like a teenager.

Normally I would be against trading up but a 3rd and JJ is not bad at all, I hope we do that.

do what ever it takes Johnson is expendable and Suh is the only blue chipper in the draft

If you can get Suh for a 3rd and a backup QB = no brainer. Whether the Bucs want to spend the money or not is a moot point. There hand will be forced to make a move.

They know their number one need is DT. They also know the Rams are desperate to trade out of the number one spot - meaning SOMEONE is virtually guaranteed to trade up to get Suh - which in turn means Detroit is guaranteed to grab McCoy.

If the Bucs want one of the elite DT's - they have to make a move.

I still stand by what I've been saying: the Bucs need elite players on a team sorely lacking them. They have a great opportunity to come away with Suh, Brandon Marshall, and still have an additional 2nd round pick. Franchises are made or broken when opportunities like this arise. I hope the Bucs have the necessary bravado to pull of the moves they desperately need to make.

The Glazers trading up to number one over all guaranteed money! You have got to be kidding.

If this is in fact a possibility-we better do what we as a team can do to make it happen.Think of the seats Suh will fill for a cash strapped team,not to mention the merch sales..If Suh comes our way I would figure 90% of the fan base would buy his jersey-between that and ticket sales,the 10mil difference will have shrank a bit...He would bring a face and identity to a defensive squad that lost a bit of swagger with the loss of Kiffin...

I dont see myself excited enough to go buy a McCoy or Berry jersey-but I would drop coin for a Suh...
You gotta spend money to make money-lets spend it on Suh and watch the revenue stream begin to flow...

Not to say there's no validity to this report, but what's being suggested in this article goes against everything PewterReport.com has heard through its league and team sources over the past several weeks. We've been told there is no way the Buccaneers will trade up with the Rams in the first round because the cap-strapped Bucs are looking to reduce expenses, not add them

AGAIN
When you add up JJ's contract, what would be the contract of the 3rd round pick and what would be the contract of the 3rd overall pick and compare it to the 1st overall pick I'm sure they are relatively the same. The Glazier's aren't going to swap picks with the Rams because they are in money saving mode is a load of crap.

10 to 1 odds Bucs draft Suh

Personally, I don't like the deal. There are plenty at the 3rd pick to choose from, we need our drafts and we should pick up more picks for JJ not less. JJ has talent and I wish the best for him whereever he ends up.

Thanks for the report PR. Props!

Go Bucs.

Oh, and there is no garuantee that Suh will produce on the level everyone thinks he "might". Too much for too much risk and not that big of an upgrade.

COME ON BUCS! DO W/E IT TAKES TO BRING SUH TO TAMPA. IT IS RARE TO SEE SUCH TALENT COMING OUT OF THE DRAFT. PLEASE PLEASE DO WHAT YOU CAN!! THE GUY IS A BEAST.

No way! Moving 2 places for a 3rd & JJ? You'd have to be dumb to make that deal. JJ is worth the 3rd round pick as a back up QB.
Swap picks and trade JJ to them would be more like it although I'd hate to see that depth leave us.

cremdonado,

If the Bucs think they are one elite player from winning, I suspect they will pursue Suh.

However, what if Suh gets hurt or busts ? The d-line is not one player away from stopping the run. On top of that, most DTs take at least 2-3 seasons to be effective and that will slow the results of your rebuilding process.

For example, last year they picked up Miller in the 3rd. Would you be willing to pass on a possibility of McCoy plus an impact guy like Miller (probably better than Miller because it's a higher pick and there's deeper talent in this draft) for just one guy ?

I think the odds are better if you keep your picks and get two potential starters. Suh might increase season ticket sales and put fans in the stands, but if they start losing..............

Also, in this economy, not as many folks may be as willing to buy both tickets and jerseys.

if they can do it for a 3rd round and a backup? do it. I liked JJ but he's a west coast QB, not a QB for the proposed system or the system that Freeman will grow in. And I totally believe that the 1st overall pick who's a monster 3 technique guy in Tampa? People will definitely be interested again. Bottom line. If you lose one of the 2 second rnd picks, it gets a lot harder to decide. After Gaines at the 5th pick lets get the most bankable player we can get. If not, trade down and get an extra pick. I think the least desirable option is to pick at #3.

i would be happy to buy a mccoy or berry jersey.

This would be stupid. Our 3rd rd is almost a 2nd rd. Now way I would give up so much especially with Johnson. I might do a Johnson trade to the Rams to move up to the top spot and maybe give them a fifth rd pick.
Those first five picks are critical to our advancement. One blue chipper does not make a 3-13 team.

Sorry forgot the put in the last word, "better"

An elite three technique DT is one of the rarest commodities in the NFL. Josh Johnson has shown me very little to prove he is a capable backup in this league. There are much better veteran backups to be had in free agency. Losing him and a third is a small price to pay for a talent like Suh.

What if McCoy turns out to be a better UT ? He has a much quicker first step and better hands/ technique.

Yeah and what if the rams trade with someone else, then McCoy and Suh will both be out of the picture. 10 to 1 odds that the Rams dont pick first.

If it happens it will be during the draft. Rams will pick Suh, then, providing the Lions don't give somebody #2 to trade up for a quarterback, the announcement comes that the Rams trade Suh to Tampa for the #3 and whatever. The Rams coach and GM need the qb of the future to keep their jobs past next year. This game day trade guarantees them that at a lower price and with more picks.

The Bucs put out signals that they're watching their money, just like they put out signals last year they were drafting defense in the first round. More important was PR's report that the Glazers want to find the next generation of Brooks, Alstotts, Sapps, and Barbers -- great players that people bond with for a long time. It's smart football and very smart business.

Of all the great players the Bucs have had, only one IIRC was the #1 overall pick and that was LeeRoy.

When you have ALOT of holes to fill like the BUCS do, the key is ALOT of picks, eraly and often. They should be trying to trade down a little.

They should be seeing if they can get ANYTHING for Clayton.
They should be seeing about a draft pick for Derrick Ward.

MOR E picks.

They need to come out of this draft with about 5 new starters within 2 years. If they lose a 2nd or 3rd the percentage of new starters out of this draft dimishes.

I just think it is a HORRIBLE idea.

All that said, I would not doubt one bit if the talks are actually about the Bucs getting Bulger for a backup in exchange for Derrick Ward.

JONGRUDEN:

"SUH IS THE ONLY BLUE CHIPPER IN THE DRAFT" ????

Really?

This is the deepest draft in YEARS. There are TONS of underclassmen coming out. Their third round pick is like a late first or early second in a lot of drafts.

As far as SUH, I THINK he will be good, but no one knows for sure. When you have the holes the Bucs do: play the odds. Get MORE picks. Don't put your eggs in one basket.

Trade down and get 7 picks in the top 4 rounds. Odds are you'll walk out of that with 4-5 new starters within 2 years.

They trade up for Suh, odds are they come away with 2 maybe 3 new starters out of 4 picks in 4 rounds

PLAY THE ODDS. It is how you get better fast. Build a strong nucleus wiht ALOT of draft picks.

DO NOT TRADE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NO TO THE TRADE UP!! TRADE DOWN!

But.... those of you saying no because of Josh Johnson LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL WHY?

What exactly has Johnson done to warrant anything? He is expendable.

dcrum35,
I think Josh Johnson did so-so as a QB. Most times he was running for his life. Some of it was probably due to not getting much reps of anything prior to his actual start. Also part of it was our OL.
I believe he is worth an equal trade to the Rams and maybe a fifth round draft pick to move up two spots. Johnson can play in this league. He would be a decent back up and might have a chance if coached properly to do better than that.

After 34 years as a Buc fan, I have finally learned not fall in love with a "can't miss", "will be an all pro for years to come", "can't miss blue chiperr" draft pick.

I would much prefer we stay put and see what happens at our No. 3 spot We have so many needs and I just don't see us giving up a Rd 1-4 draft pick for this.
I can see us trading a draft pick for a player that is already playing in the NFL.
Just my opinion.

I say make that trade as published, but not a pick or player more!!! If St. Louis plays hardball I say forget and take Jason Pierre-Paul if the two tackles are gone, and look for a 3-technique like Lamarr Houston later in the draft. Personally I believe that STL is blowing smoke try to acquire more picks with the intention of taking one of the QB's at #1 anyway.

After Suh there is a drop off to McCoy and an even bigger one afetr that, you would rather risk the future of our defensive line on a bunch of decent collegiate players rather than risk it for a dominating defensive player, sorry I can't agree, more picks means nothing if they aren't star calliber, would you rather have had Sapp or 3 more picks that year? exactly my point!

anyone who thinks this trade shouldnt happen is a complete fool....we need suh....jj is useless...thats why it is so important that we get a veteran qb in here this season....guys like jj are a dime a dozen....hes at best a mid level qb and at his best could wind up like an arron brooks for a few years somewhere.....whats wrong with you people??.........give them jj and swap first round picks in a hearbeat....and if they want a number 3 give it without thinking.....then dominik has to put on his thinking cap and turn to one of his better traits....making trades....so you lost a 3rd???.......time to gain it back.....we have a lot of people who are expendable...swap ward out to a team in need of an rb....get a third back.......draft a spikes or a witherspoon or a hughes and swap out ruud for a 2nd easily......comeone guys ---- you gotta do the trade and then take pieces of the puzzle that dont fit and trade them for more picks ----we dont need jj.....he does have potential...let the rams take that risk.....in a few years chances are you couldnt get a 7th rounder for him.....dump while the iron is hot....we need an experienced back up anyway....he is in the same boat as freebird right now and wont get any better watching on the sideline for the next 5 years.....if freeman goes down with an injury jj is not the answer to play like half a season of football.....pennington would be or someone of experience.......get suh.......grab tebow in the second as well.....and the hoopla surrounding this team will be phenomenal.......tampa will be shimmering with football anticipation.....use tebow as a 10 play hybrid........draft linebacks in the 2nd or 3rd and more defense......do a dominik trade for a receiver or draft one as well.....sign bryant....and see how the season goes......"kong" suh is the answer to changing the recent football culture in tampa that we all do not like....and tebow could be a hybrid xfactor while working on his mechanics for a few years....you always need 2 qbs.........also just think about giant pictures of suh and tebow in pewter and red sprwalling down the sides of ray jay on dale mabry blvd........the glazer will love this and once again the season ticket waiting list will grow deep.....shoud i be the gm or what????the answer is yes.......adam from ny

ps dont slam me on the tebow thing...believe me if parcells had him he would know how to use him....im not sure though that our inexperienced staff would know how to use the freak as a hybrid of sorts......tebow will be successful in this league once some team creates a system that breaks a little ground...just like when the nfl adapted the wildcat....tebow could be a pat white/ alstott type until he proves he is a pure passer ....if that happens you then apply kid gloves and no longer let him get hit....until then crate a wildcat-ish system within our simpistic offense to use a guy like tebow for a dozen plays a game.....it can work...just not sure our staff has the know how as they are still learning on the job themselves.

Suh is no Sapp!

in college suh was better

The one spot may actually be a good position this year if you're a cash strapped team. If you like Suh and McCoy both, you use them as leverage against each other. Plus, if you're the front office and ownership would you rather spend a few million more on a franchise tackle, or take a big gamble at the three spot because the talent drops off significantly after the first two tackles. Especially when you can't afford to miss.

PR Staff, Dominick looked me in the eye and told me he was going defense with the 2009 first round pick at an event at One Buc two months prior to the 2009 Draft.The old regime tended to provide no information, however the new one engages in misinformation when it comes to the draft. You may want to take that into account when weighing in on what they're going to do in the 2010 Draft.

Here we go againl, " Suh is a can't miss guy". How many times have we heard that? He looked really good in college, but that does not mean that he will be great in the NFL. I believe he has reached his potential and that doesn't always spell out success in the NFL. I like McCoy just as well and we don't have to give up a draft pick and we have not seen his best yet. I believe the Rams are just shopping a trade to the highest bidder and creating a hype demand for the No. 1 pick. I agree that they are going to pick a QB somewhere between the 3-6 th pick. I hope we trade down a few spots. Again, we have so many needs. We need even more draft picks, not less. If I was the Bucs, I'd announce that "we would like to trade down, who's interested". I'd bet the Rams would reduce their demands quickly and talk to us. The No. 3 spot is where they want to really be.
Just my opinion.

im all for this trade. SUH is a BEAST!! we could really use someone like that on this team. Automatic improvement. The stats dont lie.

would be nice to trade josh johnson for a 3rd or 4th straight up if the rams really do like him; don't like trading up, would rather use those picks to pursue brandon marshall and kerry rhodes and just take what comes at #3, including possibly trading down.

Horse- in college Suh was a beast and is worth the risk in drafting would you rather draft a guy from college who wasn't as productive? That wouldn't make sense

Either say at 3 or move down. I don't like the idea of trading away any picks ... we need them all, PLUS a few more.

And why trade away our QB depth just to draft another? Keep JJ, add a vet to compete with JJ and help guide JF.

jongruden, does mean that someone should draft Tebow in the top 3 spots; after all he had the greatest QB career ever in college? There is zero guarantee that Suh or McCoy will be good in the NFL. We got to keep our emotions out of this.
I don't think it is worth a gamble to give up a three for him. Stats don't mean a thing; It's just a helpful tool and that's it. I would have loved to seen Suh go against Alalbama or Florida. I believe he would have been compromised. He's good, but not that good. Nebraska's conference was not as strong as the SEC was.

YOU NEED TO GET SUH, PERIOD!

Gaines Adams (rest in peace) was a beast in college, too. Just sayin'.

Gaines Adams: 141 tackles, 28 sacks

Ndamukong Suh: 212 tackles, 23 sacks

Now it's normal for a DT to have more tackles than a DE and to have fewer sacks. So when both categories are balanced to their respective position along the line it's obvious they had very similar college careers, statistically speaking. Also remember that Suh played 4 full years as a starter whereas Adams only played 3 full years (very little of his freshman year). Add a 4th year as a full-time starter and the stats would become unbalanced in favor of Adams.

So all you geniuses who think Suh is "can't miss" please think again. Horse had a good point that Suh may have peaked in college as he's coming out as a senior. McCoy, on the other hand, has much more upside still left in him. I'd take McCoy.

god don't start with only good players come from the SEC that is so stupid I won't comment on that. to compare playing the Qb position to a Dt position is so far from the same I will not even try to educate on that. As far as Suh go back and watch the Nebraska vs Texas Game if your not convinced oh yeah Texas is not in the SEC so there are no good. How many busts came from just Florida alone lets see gerard warren, jarvis moss, derrick harvey, kenyatta walker, jabaar gafney, reche caldwell, travis taylor, reidel anthony, every qb that played there, errict rhett, taylor jacobs etc etc that is only Florida should I go to Lsu, so don't give me the SEC crapola doesn't mean shit

Glenn Dorsey from SEC dominated the SEC in college SUCKS ASS in the NFL is that proof enough for you

Hey Horse! Do you even watch enough football or even study the game? Did you ever play football? Your right there are never any guarantees but that is all your right about. I suppose that Glenn Dorsey is so much better because he is from the SEC and played better competition. LMAO!!! Suh is much more a complete player than Dorsey was and he can be a great 3-4 end or an under tackle in the 4-3. Dorsey or any other prospect in the last ten to fifteen years does not have that great lower body blast off the ball that you see players develop by their third year in the pros. To my recognition the last 2 players to have that kind of power and talent were CHESTER MCGLOCKTON and Darrell Russell but neither of the two really ever had their head on right and they were not leaders. Suh is a leader and has the work ethic to lead a defence like the Bucs back to dominance. You should never sell your sol to get a player you covet so greatly uhhh... Ricky Williams! But giving up a third and possibly swap QB's if Bulger was willing to restructre is not a bad price to pay to make sure we get the best of the 2 DT's in this draft. If we make no move we could be drafting Okung or Bryant with the third pick which are nice picks but Suh is way better and fills our biggest need.

Wow, so much passion over stuff no one on this site has any control over. I have to admit, the discussion is good but I will be happy no matter which way the draft goes. Suh and McCoy are both good but in the end I'd be happier if they kept their picks and tried to serve as many needs as possible. And, to be complete on the three main choices presented so far, a trade down would have its upsides as well considering the needs of the team. As said before, one player does not make a team....kept up with Haynesworth?

Go Bucs!

If we can trade the Rams Derrick Ward, Michael Clayton, or Josh Johnson to get Suh then I do it!! But if not then definitley trade down for an extra 3rd round pick. We could get so many good players out of this draft and possibly even make some trades to get a stud player. This draft is going to be great!!!

God now flyboyindallas is comparing a DT to a DE get real jackass and get a fucking clue

My point jongruden/kenking was exactly what you were saying. Dorsey was all everything in the SEC, and he hasn't done much in the NFL so far. Forget about the SEC versus any other conference. (Heck I'm a Miami & FSU ACC fan) That's not my point and I am sorry if I offended you. I just don't believe Suh is that "all everything" to use a very important round 3 pick to move up two spots.
By the way, how many Alabama/Florida 1st round picks are they're going to be? I'm neither a fan of either of those teams, but the SEC is loaded this year with players coming out for the draft. That's a fact, as much as I would have liked it from the ACC.

No need for personal attacks...everyone here is entitled to their opinion. If you're so threatened then maybe you don't need to be commenting here.

My point, if I really need to reiterate it for those who cannot comprehend, is that just because someone is a "beast" in college doesn't mean they are a guaranteed success in the NFL. Even your personal idol Suh. Same rule applies to him as to everyone else, no matter what position they play...DE, DT, makes no difference whatsoever. The point has nothing to do with position...it has everything to do with success in college equating success in the NFL. There is no such thing as a "can't miss". Doesn't exist. Period.

That being said, I do believe Suh will end up being one of the best DT's in the NFL. But that's just my personal opinion. In no way am I stupid enough to believe it is fact. How moronic would that be?

my point is if you have a chance to draft the most dominant player in college than do it how many third round draft choices have ever panned out for us?

sorry to insult you but don't compare Gaines to a Dt's stats they play entirely different positions thats like comparing a te to a reciever as far as stats are concerned

Horse- get off the conference entitlement stuff it's stupid and a waste of time to talk about it

I agree with drafting him, of course, but I don't think it's the best decision to give up premium draft picks to move up. I think we'd be better off as a team by taking McCoy and adding several more starting-caliber prospects than giving up potential starters just to get Suh. We are not one or two players away from the playoffs...we are about 7-8 players away and we need all the picks we can get.

Horse, All I'm trying to say is you win and lose in the trenches if we do not come away with a blue chip DT in this draft I will be greatly disappointed. I agree that we need as many picks as we can get and I would love to see the bucs trade down if Suh and McCoy are off the board, like a trade with Seattle or Washington to move up and grab their QB they want. The Bucs could then grab Brian Price and add picks that would be really nice or if they move way down grab Dan Williams if they only move down a few spots and Price was gone grab Derrick Morgan. But I'm still staying on record that Suh is better than all of them and could help the Bucs run defence right away. McCoy may end up getting more sacks in the NFL if he reaches his potential but Suh is ready now and can shut the run down much better. GO BUCS!!!

FLBoyInDallas- There is no guarantee that McCoy will be there, you make the trade and get your guy if you believe his is that much better. If the Bucs grade him not that much higher than the others you sit still and see who offers you what for that third pick, if not be ready to make that pick.

jongruden - making friends where ever he posts...

Suh is a no brainer - especially for a 3rd & expendable QB.

Least bust potential in this draft:
1. Suh
2. Okung
3. McClain

I think this trade makes a lot of sense especially since the Bucs are apparently on record as not being interested in being players in free agency.
Suh will be the closest thing to having Sapp back on the defensive line.
giving up a 3rd and Johnson is not a bad trade as Johnson probably would never start here.

Dominik needs to play hardball. Sending Josh Johnson and a 3rd round pick might be too much. If St. Louis is convinced Suh is not their guy and they need to go in another direction, a 4th or 5th rounder with JJ should be enough. I'm a fan of drafting Suh, but the early draft picks are crucial for the Bucs. We have a lot of holes to fill and this is a deep draft.

Now, if Dominik can swing a trade for one or two players on the roster ie. Ward/Clayton, and get back a 3rd round pick, then I say make the deal.

I still say, one way or another, we may be without one of our second round picks come draft time. I think Dominik will use one for a receiver (Marshall/Boldin). It will be fun to watch, the Bucs have plenty of options and ammo.

If they can pull a 1st round trade, give up a third round and Josh Johnson, for Suh,.......DO IT! Gotta get that guy if it's possible!

As for the Glazers wanting to "reduce expenses",....ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!!!

The Glazers are such tight wads! This drives me crazy! Why don't they realize sometimes it does take money to build a successfull team! And with success come more money! If the Bucs are an investment, then invest!

Don't get me wrong, I don't want them to spend big money poorly. But if they want to invest in the future of this fanchise they need to get the guys with a low risk and high reward like Suh,....No matter what price tag comes along.

How much are we ALWAYS below the cap?! Let's get real here!

EVERYONE IS SAYING THE BUC'S WILL NOT SPEND THE MONEY TO GET SUH. THEY WERE GOING TO SPEND 100 MIL. FOR HAYNESWORTH. WHY NOT SUH ! HE'S A LOT YOUNGER AND IN BETTER SHAPE.

bucsnews- You think the Bucs could get a third round pick for Ward or Clayton, CLAYTON are you serious? nuff said, I won't say anything else

jongruden-I'm not saying Clayton is worth a 3rd rounder, I'm just saying if there's a way Dominik could pull something off, I'd be more excited about giving up a 3rd rounder to get Suh.

If all we're talking about is a 2nd rounder to move into the #1 overall spot and be able to take Suh, it's worth it. It's also worth it (more so in fact) if we're talking about a 3rd rounder and Josh Johnson.

This trade would be made to show the fans their committed to this team, and to get people in the seats at RayJay. Suh is a huge name now after the Big 12 championship game, so people would be excited if they got him. I personally would not be against the trade at this price, but I would much rather save the pick and take McCoy. Suh is a better run defender, McCoy is a better penetrator. Therefore, can we please stop the Suh is Sapp comparisons? If one of them is gonna be compared to Sapp, at least pick the one who has the same style of play as him.

need to do this trade, johnson and the 3rd round pick, go for it

bucsnews- if Domminik could get a third round pick for Clayton he might go into the hall of fame for GM's

This trade will never happen and was never realistic to begin with. Also, here's what Peter King had to say about this rumor and the opinion of a league source:

"I think I would be shocked -- as would the St. Louis Rams, quite frankly -- if the Bucs were remotely serious about trading up to number one in the draft from their spot at three. If you haven't noticed in the last 15 months, the Bucs are shedding salary the way I wish I could shed pounds, which is to say, with consistent regularity. Paying JaMarcus Russell money ($39 million in the first three years of his Oakland deal) to a defensive tackle would blow everyone in the league away. As one source with knowledge of the inner workings of each team said to me in a text the other night when I asked about the chances of the Bucs and Rams dealing: "About the same as Colgate joining the Big East.''

Anyone care to guess who the "source with knowledge of the inner workings of each team" might be? It seems obvious to me that it would be Kevin Demoff, the only guy I know of who's worked in a high-level capacity in both the Bucs and Rams front offices. If it was indeed Demoff you can bet he knows exactly what the chances of a deal happening are. Sounds like NONE.

A 3rd and Josh Johnson is too much. They would only be dropping down 2 spots. Josh has more value than that. Maybe Josh or a 3rd, but not both. St. Louis would be banking on the fact that we badly want Suh. We can't let our desire to draft Suh make us give more than we should. At the end of the day with 10 picks we should be able to do pretty good in the draft.