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Bucs Waiting For Second Wave Of Free Agency |
 Tampa Bay co-chairman Bryan Glazer and Bucs general manager Mark Dominik (Cliff Welch) |
Several teams have been actively involved in free agency since it started at midnight on Friday. However, Tampa Bay hasn't been one of them. The Bucs, who plan to build through the draft, likely are planning to participate in the second wave of free agency.
Tampa Bay general manager Mark Dominik wasn't kidding when he said the Buccaneers wouldn't be big players in free agency this year. Several teams have been actively involved in the free agent signing period since it started at midnight on Friday, but not the Bucs. They've been radio silent.
In fact, several players the Bucs were believed to be interested in signing have already been acquired by other teams, including defensive end Aaron Kampman (Jacksonville), cornerback Dunta Robinson (Atlanta) and wide receivers Nate Burleson (Detroit) and Kevin Walter (Houston), among others.
While he attempted to temper fans' expectations for the Bucs heading into free agency, Dominik did mention how Tampa Bay could be active on the trade front. The Bucs were successful in that regard last year when Dominik traded for tight end Kellen Winslow and traded away defensive end Gaines Adams.
So far, the Bucs haven't even been mentioned in trade talks reported by media pundits, but a few trades have already occurred, including ones that sent WR Anquan Boldin from Arizona to Baltimore, and safety Kerry Rhodes from the New York Jets to Arizona.
That doesn't necessarily mean the Bucs have done absolutely nothing in regards to free agency thus far. According to league sources, the Bucs have expressed interest in a few free agents, including Pittsburgh running back Willie Parker, New York Jets defensive end Marques Douglas and Dallas guard Montrae Holland. However, it's unclear whether Tampa Bay's interest in these players is serious or simply exploratory.
The Bucs also remain interested in re-signing a few of their own unrestricted free agents, including linebacker Angelo Crowell and defensive end Jimmy Wilkerson, according to their agents.
But several of the agents PewterReport.com has spoken to have stated that the Bucs haven't reached out to them regarding their clients. On Saturday, one agent suggested the Bucs' attention was not on free agency.
"From what I heard they were in draft meetings all day [on Saturday]," one agent told PewterReport.com.
That would make sense since the Bucs plan to build through the draft. Tampa Bay owns 10 picks in April. Five of those selections are in the top 99, and the Bucs own the third overall pick in the 2010 NFL Draft.
The Bucs, who are coming off a 3-13 season, have several needs on their roster. While Tampa Bay plans to address some of those through the draft, the Bucs likely will use the second wave of free agency to target a few players that might be able to help the team improve its record while not breaking the bank.
In fact, several players the Bucs were believed to be interested in signing have already been acquired by other teams, including defensive end Aaron Kampman (Jacksonville), cornerback Dunta Robinson (Atlanta) and wide receivers Nate Burleson (Detroit) and Kevin Walter (Houston), among others.
While he attempted to temper fans' expectations for the Bucs heading into free agency, Dominik did mention how Tampa Bay could be active on the trade front. The Bucs were successful in that regard last year when Dominik traded for tight end Kellen Winslow and traded away defensive end Gaines Adams.
So far, the Bucs haven't even been mentioned in trade talks reported by media pundits, but a few trades have already occurred, including ones that sent WR Anquan Boldin from Arizona to Baltimore, and safety Kerry Rhodes from the New York Jets to Arizona.
That doesn't necessarily mean the Bucs have done absolutely nothing in regards to free agency thus far. According to league sources, the Bucs have expressed interest in a few free agents, including Pittsburgh running back Willie Parker, New York Jets defensive end Marques Douglas and Dallas guard Montrae Holland. However, it's unclear whether Tampa Bay's interest in these players is serious or simply exploratory.
The Bucs also remain interested in re-signing a few of their own unrestricted free agents, including linebacker Angelo Crowell and defensive end Jimmy Wilkerson, according to their agents.
But several of the agents PewterReport.com has spoken to have stated that the Bucs haven't reached out to them regarding their clients. On Saturday, one agent suggested the Bucs' attention was not on free agency.
"From what I heard they were in draft meetings all day [on Saturday]," one agent told PewterReport.com.
That would make sense since the Bucs plan to build through the draft. Tampa Bay owns 10 picks in April. Five of those selections are in the top 99, and the Bucs own the third overall pick in the 2010 NFL Draft.
The Bucs, who are coming off a 3-13 season, have several needs on their roster. While Tampa Bay plans to address some of those through the draft, the Bucs likely will use the second wave of free agency to target a few players that might be able to help the team improve its record while not breaking the bank.
Comments
JDouble
I figure I'll get in real quick before all the usual suspects start the barrage of hate. Glad to hear they are already spending entire days in draft meetings. The draft is what matters. Good to see they are taking it serious. Hope they get it right.
9:08am, March 7, 2010
HNickerson75
I'm not one to put people down just because they disagree with me, but if you think the Bucs would be better off if we had signed anyone of those ridiculous contracts from the last 2 days, your just ignorant. And I'm not saying ignorant as a put down, I'm saying it becuase you have to be truly ignorant on this subject to think those contracts were a good idea.
Kerry Rhodes is the only guy to switch teams in the last 48 hours for a reasonable price.
Kerry Rhodes is the only guy to switch teams in the last 48 hours for a reasonable price.
9:12am, March 7, 2010
jmcdanl
Agreed JDouble.
Go Bucs.
Go Bucs.
9:13am, March 7, 2010
kskaltsas
I hate the Glazers! Please sell the team to someone who actually wants to win. This Sucks! God only knows if and when we'll win another chapionship or even have a good team for that matter. How depressing! Another losing season aproaches...
9:16am, March 7, 2010
scubog
Back in the day all the only way to get players was through the draft, trades or the scrap heap. I've never been a big fan of free-agency since there are far more failures than successes; including right here in Bucville. To me it's like paying for a BMW and getting a Toyota. We need a receiver but Nate Burleson for $25,000,000; are you kidding me?
People expected Dan "Spender" Snyder and Jerry "Face-lift" Jones to be shelling out the big bucks, but even they have their checkbooks closed.
Buffalo and Washington got the headlines last off-season for their signings of Owens and Haynesworth; but what did those players really do for those team's dubious record? Got their coaches fired.
So far this off-season Chicago and Detroit are getting the "pub". Of course Jerry Angello has to do something since he has no draft picks and really has "dead" money. By the time Detroit rebuilds their team those old dudes they just signed probably won't be there.
Tell me an under 30 player out there who is any better than who we already have. Not many. Kerry Rhodes was benched this past season.
People expected Dan "Spender" Snyder and Jerry "Face-lift" Jones to be shelling out the big bucks, but even they have their checkbooks closed.
Buffalo and Washington got the headlines last off-season for their signings of Owens and Haynesworth; but what did those players really do for those team's dubious record? Got their coaches fired.
So far this off-season Chicago and Detroit are getting the "pub". Of course Jerry Angello has to do something since he has no draft picks and really has "dead" money. By the time Detroit rebuilds their team those old dudes they just signed probably won't be there.
Tell me an under 30 player out there who is any better than who we already have. Not many. Kerry Rhodes was benched this past season.
9:34am, March 7, 2010
Bucko40
the cheap ass Glazerhouse Boys are ruining this team for years to come.
The draft can only fill so many holes on your team. You need quality veteran players along with your young draft choices. You can't expect every drafted to start from day one. You alsoNeed to allow some draft choices to develop into starters.
Who is going to be our #1 WR? Bryant is gone does that mean Clayton, aka Mr. Drop, is our new #1.
Since we had little to no pass rush last year where is the improvement there. Sims and Hovan are good players but neither is great. White and Wilkerson fit the same mold as the 2 before mentioned DT.
Or secondary has 2 great players in Talib and TJax. So unless we are moving often hurt Phillips back to SS then we have holes at safety. Ronde Barber can't play forever. The Bucs secondary is one injury away from being a disaster.
The Bucs are expecting their fans the swallow this garbage. Well I am not. My 4 season ticket seats will remain empty til this team shows some kind of commitment to putting a quality team on the field. That means more than undrafted FA and bottom of the barrel 2nd and 3rd tier free agents
The draft can only fill so many holes on your team. You need quality veteran players along with your young draft choices. You can't expect every drafted to start from day one. You alsoNeed to allow some draft choices to develop into starters.
Who is going to be our #1 WR? Bryant is gone does that mean Clayton, aka Mr. Drop, is our new #1.
Since we had little to no pass rush last year where is the improvement there. Sims and Hovan are good players but neither is great. White and Wilkerson fit the same mold as the 2 before mentioned DT.
Or secondary has 2 great players in Talib and TJax. So unless we are moving often hurt Phillips back to SS then we have holes at safety. Ronde Barber can't play forever. The Bucs secondary is one injury away from being a disaster.
The Bucs are expecting their fans the swallow this garbage. Well I am not. My 4 season ticket seats will remain empty til this team shows some kind of commitment to putting a quality team on the field. That means more than undrafted FA and bottom of the barrel 2nd and 3rd tier free agents
9:37am, March 7, 2010
neptune
this team needs players at almost every position are you people honestly telling me that the bucs wouldnt be better of with at least of the the quality free agents that were available. A trade for cromartie or Boldin would have been nice. BARGAIN BASEMENT SHOPPING AT ITS FINEST! let's go get some ones practice squad player that will do the trick!
9:39am, March 7, 2010
Alll_the_way
Focusing on the draft would be a better sell with the fans if they find a way to acquire more picks. Five picks in the top 99 is good, but not enough for a team choosing to "focus" on the draft over free agency.
9:41am, March 7, 2010
neptune
Amen bucko40
9:42am, March 7, 2010
Bucko40
ScuBog- Boldin and Cromartie are both better than anything we have on the roster at those positions except for maybe Talib. Both were had cheap considering.
Peppers is better than all our DE combined. If the Bucs were willing(so they say) last year to fork over 100 million for Haynesworth then why not make a run at least for Peppers.
All this team is giving us is Talk.
Peppers is better than all our DE combined. If the Bucs were willing(so they say) last year to fork over 100 million for Haynesworth then why not make a run at least for Peppers.
All this team is giving us is Talk.
9:43am, March 7, 2010
Bucko40
I call them like i see them neptune.
Can't wait for fanfest this year. If the Glazerhouse Boys show up in pubic they will get a word or two from me.
Can't wait for fanfest this year. If the Glazerhouse Boys show up in pubic they will get a word or two from me.
9:46am, March 7, 2010
bucism1
JERRY JONES ISN'T GOING TO SPEND THAT MUCH IN FREE AGENCY FOR 2 REASONS...HE'S A LITTLE SPENT WITH THE NEW STADIUM AND UPKEEP OF THAT PRETTY GOOD TOUPEE' HE WEARS....ITS A PRETTY GOOD HAIR PIECE BECAUSE AS MOST MEN AGE A HAIR PIECE DOESNT USUALLY LOOK RIGHT ON THEM, BUT JERRY'S WORKS FOR HIM AS HE SPENDS TOP DOLLAR ON IT....SO AT THIS POINT YOU MIGHT SAY JERRY'S BIGGEST FREE AGENT PICK UP IS HANK STRAM'S OLD HAIR PIECE.....DYING THAT HORSE HAIR PIECE OF TRASH TO MATCH HIS OWN GREY ENSAMBLE WAS QUITE A TALL ORDER....ADAM FROM NY
10:06am, March 7, 2010
bucism1
JERRY JONES ISN'T GOING TO SPEND THAT MUCH IN FREE AGENCY FOR 2 REASONS...HE'S A LITTLE SPENT WITH THE NEW STADIUM AND UPKEEP OF THAT PRETTY GOOD TOUPEE' HE WEARS....ITS A PRETTY GOOD HAIR PIECE BECAUSE AS MOST MEN AGE A HAIR PIECE DOESNT USUALLY LOOK RIGHT ON THEM, BUT JERRY'S WORKS FOR HIM AS HE SPENDS TOP DOLLAR ON IT....SO AT THIS POINT YOU MIGHT SAY JERRY'S BIGGEST FREE AGENT PICK UP IS HANK STRAM'S OLD HAIR PIECE.....DYING THAT HORSE HAIR PIECE OF TRASH TO MATCH HIS OWN GREY ENSAMBLE WAS QUITE A TALL ORDER....ADAM FROM NY
10:06am, March 7, 2010
KINDERRT
I'll wait to see what happens in the draft before i comment. I sure hope they have a plan !!
10:19am, March 7, 2010
OKC_Buc
I'm glad we're "waiting" on the unknown 3 tier talent that will hit the second wave of free agency. Love United Hate Glazer
10:19am, March 7, 2010
Bucko40
bucism- reason jerry jones hasn't spent anything in the FA market is because he has a very good team. He doesn't need to spend for that reason.
kinerrt- the Bucs plan is to draft 2 way players. Maybe Dez Bryant can play CB too. Or take Terrance Cody and have him play OT also. There is a plan for draft picks.
kinerrt- the Bucs plan is to draft 2 way players. Maybe Dez Bryant can play CB too. Or take Terrance Cody and have him play OT also. There is a plan for draft picks.
10:55am, March 7, 2010
LordJim
While they were in meetings, Aaron Kampman signed with the Jaguars. Let's hope they find a Pro Bowl DE in the sixth round of the draft.
And Bucko40, why did you renew your season tickets? They have your money, they don't care if you show up or not.
And Bucko40, why did you renew your season tickets? They have your money, they don't care if you show up or not.
11:20am, March 7, 2010
Horse
JDouble, I agree with you. The teams that overpaid forplayers in Free Agency are playoff teams and contenders and i might have done the same. We are at least a year away from that being realistic. Okay, I am buying into that there will be a trade or two as long as we have at least 10-12 draft picks.
If Suh is not there at the No. 3 spot, we should trade down.
Example: To trade down a few spots get a 4th rounder;
down 10 spots get a 3rd rounder; down 15 spots, get a 2nd rounder; anything lower includes a 2nd and another round.
Please do not hit me with that value point chart. That's only a negoitiating start and this year the demand to trade up is weak.
If Suh is not there at the No. 3 spot, we should trade down.
Example: To trade down a few spots get a 4th rounder;
down 10 spots get a 3rd rounder; down 15 spots, get a 2nd rounder; anything lower includes a 2nd and another round.
Please do not hit me with that value point chart. That's only a negoitiating start and this year the demand to trade up is weak.
11:24am, March 7, 2010
Raideneers
Prediction:
The Buccs will be a BIGTIME player in acquiring players that have been cut post-training camp. Nothing like bringing in a few has-been, oft-injured scrubs cheap to put butts in the seats and not affect the bottom line. I've always respected the reporting on Pewter Report but even that is diminishing. I realize you have to temper your reporting to keep your insiders happy at One Buc but come on, stop feeding us fluff!
The Buccs will be a BIGTIME player in acquiring players that have been cut post-training camp. Nothing like bringing in a few has-been, oft-injured scrubs cheap to put butts in the seats and not affect the bottom line. I've always respected the reporting on Pewter Report but even that is diminishing. I realize you have to temper your reporting to keep your insiders happy at One Buc but come on, stop feeding us fluff!
11:25am, March 7, 2010
KingJava
Some of you really just not getting it. The FO has repeatedly said the were not going to be big spenders in free agency. Why are you surprised?
IMO the big spenders, Chicago and Detroit, overpaid. The signings will not bring them a championship and they will end up releasing those players in three years. Our team has had its share of this experience. I.e. Derrick Deese, Charlie Garner, Stuiese to name a few. The Bears are doing what they are doing because they have
no 1st and 2nd round draft picks. Detroit has had a clue in a long time... bad teams make desparate decisions. The Bucs need to stay the course...
IMO the big spenders, Chicago and Detroit, overpaid. The signings will not bring them a championship and they will end up releasing those players in three years. Our team has had its share of this experience. I.e. Derrick Deese, Charlie Garner, Stuiese to name a few. The Bears are doing what they are doing because they have
no 1st and 2nd round draft picks. Detroit has had a clue in a long time... bad teams make desparate decisions. The Bucs need to stay the course...
11:27am, March 7, 2010
H.oneG
We should all stop buying tickets and supporting the Bucs! Then they can relocate and we won't have any team to hate! Great strategy!
11:32am, March 7, 2010
Raideneers
Yes, stay the course like we have for years (no big free agents that cost big money) and expect different results.
Just sayin'
Just sayin'
11:34am, March 7, 2010
JacoBucs
I like the idea of getting Graham and Weatherspoon in the first. I don't know that it is possible to get Price too though.
If we can do some jockeying, and end up with two picks late in the first, two picks in the 2nd, and keep our third, we could possibly get Graham and Weatehrsoon in the first, get Alualu and a top reciever in the 2nd, and get another quaity reciever like Taylor Price or Jordan Shipley with our 3rd. That would go a long way in improving our team in a hurry.
Fourth round has got to be a safety in my mind.
If we can do some jockeying, and end up with two picks late in the first, two picks in the 2nd, and keep our third, we could possibly get Graham and Weatehrsoon in the first, get Alualu and a top reciever in the 2nd, and get another quaity reciever like Taylor Price or Jordan Shipley with our 3rd. That would go a long way in improving our team in a hurry.
Fourth round has got to be a safety in my mind.
11:38am, March 7, 2010
.
Hmmm....who does this guy remind me of?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72KQ_NzX8NU
Yes please.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72KQ_NzX8NU
Yes please.
12:12pm, March 7, 2010
Hacksaw
3-13 and we shouldn't overspend the poor Glazers money and just shut the **** up and be a nice little fan. WOW This is business and they suck at it. I listened to this B.S from Culverhouse for years and tryed to stay positive but I'm too old and don't believe it any longer. So dream about all those wonderful draft picks which will all become Pro-bowlers and send us right to the Super bowl. BTW , I have a nice bridge for sale that will take you staight to the promised land. 50% discount for Jdoub.
12:20pm, March 7, 2010
surferdudes
Bucko you really believe giving up a high 3rd, and 4th for a 30 yr old receiver who hasn't finished the last 2 seasons is a good idea? Oh wasn't that Boldin on the sidelines during AZ's playoff loss? If that's the kind of free agent help you're looking for, I'm glad you're not pulling the trigger on deals for the Bucs.
12:21pm, March 7, 2010
bucfan999
For anyone who thinks that by making no moves in Free Agency and counting only on the draft will turn the Buc's into a winning team is totally dillusional. In any paricular draft a team is LUCKY to find 3 - 4 starting caliber players per draft and maybe if they are really LUCKY 1 or 2 probowl caliber players. With all the holes that are currently on the Buccaneer roster it will take us 8 - 10 years to become a Super Bowl competitor again and like the Bucs from 1983 - 1996 double diget losers year after year after year.
A look back at our Super Bowl Championship roster. Was it all draft choices like some of you and the Glazerhouse boys want?
Offense: 3 draft choices, 1 Trade & 9 Free Agents
QB: Brad Johnson --- F/A
RB: Michael Pittman --- F/A
FB: Mike Alstott --- Draft Choice
LT: Roman Oben --- F/A
LG: Kerry Jenkins --- F/A
OC: Jeff Christy --- F/A
RG: Cosey Coleman --- Draft Choice
RT: Kenyatta Walker --- Draft Choice
TE: Ken Dilger --- F/A
TE: Rickey Dudley --- F/A
WR: Keyshawn Johnson --- Trade
WR: Keenan McCardell --- F/A
WR: Joe Jurevicious --- F/A
Defense: 8 Draft Choices, 1 Trade & 3 Free Agents
DE: Simeon Rice --- Trade
DT: Warren Sapp --- Draft Choice
DT: Chuck Darby --- Undrafted F/A
DE: Greg Spires --- F/A
LB: Derrick Brooks --- Draft Choice
LB: Shelton Quarles --- F/A
LB: Al Singleton --- Draft Choice
CB: Ronde Barber --- Draft Choice
CB: Brian Kelly --- Draft Choice
SS: John Lynch --- Draft Choice
FS: Dexter Jackson --- Draft Choice
NB: Dwight Smith --- Draft Choice
Special Teams: 1 Draft Choice, 3 Free Agents
PK: Martin Gramatica --- Draft Choice
P: Tom Tupa --- F/A
KR: Aaron Stecker --- Undrafted F/A
PR: Karl Williams --- F/A
For a total of 12 Draft Choices, 2 Trades & 15 Free Agents. I for one do not want to go back the the Culverhouse Buccaneers and I for one am not going to give the Glazerhouse boys my hard earned money any more to view the product that they are putting on the field. I have given up my season tickets after 15 years and am sure that we will not see any home games on TV this year or for years to come.
I ask Pewter Report to keep track of what the Buccaneer payroll is this year compared to last years cap number. Last Year we was 33 million below the cap but this year without a cap also means no floor so what will we be this year? I expect the payroll to be at least 50 million below last years cap which would prove that the Glazerhouse boys don't care about winning, they only care about making money at our expense.
A look back at our Super Bowl Championship roster. Was it all draft choices like some of you and the Glazerhouse boys want?
Offense: 3 draft choices, 1 Trade & 9 Free Agents
QB: Brad Johnson --- F/A
RB: Michael Pittman --- F/A
FB: Mike Alstott --- Draft Choice
LT: Roman Oben --- F/A
LG: Kerry Jenkins --- F/A
OC: Jeff Christy --- F/A
RG: Cosey Coleman --- Draft Choice
RT: Kenyatta Walker --- Draft Choice
TE: Ken Dilger --- F/A
TE: Rickey Dudley --- F/A
WR: Keyshawn Johnson --- Trade
WR: Keenan McCardell --- F/A
WR: Joe Jurevicious --- F/A
Defense: 8 Draft Choices, 1 Trade & 3 Free Agents
DE: Simeon Rice --- Trade
DT: Warren Sapp --- Draft Choice
DT: Chuck Darby --- Undrafted F/A
DE: Greg Spires --- F/A
LB: Derrick Brooks --- Draft Choice
LB: Shelton Quarles --- F/A
LB: Al Singleton --- Draft Choice
CB: Ronde Barber --- Draft Choice
CB: Brian Kelly --- Draft Choice
SS: John Lynch --- Draft Choice
FS: Dexter Jackson --- Draft Choice
NB: Dwight Smith --- Draft Choice
Special Teams: 1 Draft Choice, 3 Free Agents
PK: Martin Gramatica --- Draft Choice
P: Tom Tupa --- F/A
KR: Aaron Stecker --- Undrafted F/A
PR: Karl Williams --- F/A
For a total of 12 Draft Choices, 2 Trades & 15 Free Agents. I for one do not want to go back the the Culverhouse Buccaneers and I for one am not going to give the Glazerhouse boys my hard earned money any more to view the product that they are putting on the field. I have given up my season tickets after 15 years and am sure that we will not see any home games on TV this year or for years to come.
I ask Pewter Report to keep track of what the Buccaneer payroll is this year compared to last years cap number. Last Year we was 33 million below the cap but this year without a cap also means no floor so what will we be this year? I expect the payroll to be at least 50 million below last years cap which would prove that the Glazerhouse boys don't care about winning, they only care about making money at our expense.
12:23pm, March 7, 2010
bucsmaniac
Nice high lite vid JacoBucs...have not seen much of him...great motor...guy can shed the block...would be a great addition...we drafted Miller last year and he did a good job...we still have young talent now that just going to get better. I see Stroughter having a break out year!
12:24pm, March 7, 2010
termig8r
A team as devoid of starting NFL talent at several positions as the Bucs - cannot meet all those needs in the draft alone & expect to achieve the playoffs.
Last year with the largest Cap in history the Bucs did little in FA. They were satisfied with what they had such as Clayton. Now for the 2nd year in a row they are inept in FA.
(Sorry if I just urinated on anyone's Cheerios.)
Last year with the largest Cap in history the Bucs did little in FA. They were satisfied with what they had such as Clayton. Now for the 2nd year in a row they are inept in FA.
(Sorry if I just urinated on anyone's Cheerios.)
12:26pm, March 7, 2010
Raheem33
Im happy the Bucs arent doing anything in this free agency class, there is nothing out there but trash. Teams like the Bears are desperate and overspending on guys who could easily be found in the draft. Peppers is a great player ,but he is over 30 and you dont know if he is going to put out the effort now that he has his payday. Antrell Rolle is a nice player , but to make him the highest paid safety in the history of the game is crazy. This is the best draft class in a long time and the Bucs needs to find good young talent and develop it. We have 5 of the first 99 picks and this is the best way to build our team.
12:27pm, March 7, 2010
bucsmaniac
bucfan999 what you see is a great D built through the draft...and a pretty good O that had BJ having a pretty good year throwing to receivers that played pretty good..but we all know that our D made us that team...and that was good drafting by Dungy!
12:31pm, March 7, 2010
ChuckieWP
Draft picks are cheaper than big name FA's, and even cheaper if you trade down from the third pick to a lower first round and another second round pick. (Culverhouse Rule No. 1 on how to maximize profits on your NFL investment.)
12:32pm, March 7, 2010
JacoBucs
Yeah if we could get a 3 tech DT like Alualu in the mid to late 2nd round, I think it would be a steal. With a little luck we will have enough of a solid foundation after this year's draft, that we might actually be ready to start looking at free agents next year. I'm one of the few that think these old free agents are pointless for us at this point in our rebuilding process.
Next year should be a great free agency if they get the new CBA in place. So many 4th and 5th year guys got one year tenders this year, so next year's free agency could be a gold mine of young talent at reasonable prices. Basicly the total opposite of this year's free agency
Next year should be a great free agency if they get the new CBA in place. So many 4th and 5th year guys got one year tenders this year, so next year's free agency could be a gold mine of young talent at reasonable prices. Basicly the total opposite of this year's free agency
12:34pm, March 7, 2010
JDouble
Actually bucsmaniac, Dungy didn't draft most of the guys in our great defense. That was Sam Wyche.
12:39pm, March 7, 2010
bucfan999
bucsmaniac, I agree that the defense was built through the draft but we would not have won the super bowl with out investing in Free Agents on offense because while Dungy knew defense he was did not know offense and his draft choices there failed to produce a winning offense. The point of all this is that Free Agency needs to be a part of building a winning football team. You can't turn a blind eye to a source of getting talented players which is what this regime that is currently running the Bucs seems to be doing and I don't see a winning team here for many years to come. How long will you you Glazerhouse supporters give them to build a winner? 5 years? 10 years? If all means of getting players is used and used wisely a rebuilding team should only take 2 - 3 years to be competitive again, by subtracting one of the means will set them back from 2 - 3 years to 6 - 10 years if they are lucky.
12:40pm, March 7, 2010
bucsmaniac
It all boils down too you either spread support or you spread s@#t ...guys like Jaco are supporting our team not picking at them and crying about what might have been...its getting old already and the season is far from beginning...
12:41pm, March 7, 2010
JDouble
Well Wyche drafted Lynch, Sapp, and Brooks anyways.
Dungy drafted Ronde Barber, Brian Kelly, Dwight Smith, Dexter Jackson, and grabbed Shelton Quarles as an udrafted free agent. So I guess it's not fair to say Wyche drafted most of that great defense. :p
Dungy drafted Ronde Barber, Brian Kelly, Dwight Smith, Dexter Jackson, and grabbed Shelton Quarles as an udrafted free agent. So I guess it's not fair to say Wyche drafted most of that great defense. :p
12:54pm, March 7, 2010
JoeG31581
Some of you ppl just dont get it. Ya know I really do understand that you guys want to win now instead of being patient... I get it, i really do. But do you think signing anyone of those 28+ yr old FA's would of made any difference this year?... no they wouldnt of and if you think they would of your just stupid... Overpaying for older players right now would do more harm than good. If we draft good players and make them sit the bench while overpaid players get playing time we would still end up having a bad record and our young talent would of gained no experience while sitting the bench. I understand you can learn a little bit from watching but theres nothing like getting your hands dirty in the game. These older players would do nothing but steal playing time from the younger guys which would stunt there progress which in turn would make us have to wait even longer to be a playoff team. There are no FAs that came out this year that would improve our team to the point where we would be playoff contenders. NONE!... (and if you disagree with that then you clearly no nothing about football...) therefore why waste money on overpriced old players instead of just developing our own young guys... oh and all you ppl who keep bitching about the bucs picking players off the waiver wire.. give that shit a rest already. Its actually a very smart move considering that the players we pick up are very talented, come cheap and the only reason they were released/ or picked up off there practice squad from there respective teams were because the teams roster was loaded at that position so the player never got a chance to show what he can do... you ppl are acting like immature children who whine and throw tantrums simply because there not getting there way. Go head and drop your season tickets... go head and not show up to the games. Us real buc fans wont miss you whatsoever but when we do start winning again... we'll see you back here acting like nothing ever happened.
1:06pm, March 7, 2010
cigarfox
Any thoughts on who is going to be catching the ball this year. Will it be to double team Winslow and while Clayton drops every ball when it is thrown to him allowing Stroughtor to be the top receiver with maybe 50 catches while the run game continues to struggle.
They needed to keep Bryant and now they have got to find a URFA like Chambers, Coles, Booker or Battle.
They needed to keep Bryant and now they have got to find a URFA like Chambers, Coles, Booker or Battle.
1:17pm, March 7, 2010
JoeG31581
And I just got to get this off my chest. For all you people calling the Glazers cheap... so F'ing what?... if it were YOUR money that was being spent on these guys im ABSOLUTELY POSITIVE that you people would be just as cheap if not more... It's real easy to call somebody else cheap when its not your money thats being spent. I have no problem with them being cheap. Its smart business and I dont think it has affected the team in anyway. Name 1 player that we should of overpaid for that would of helped this team in anyway?... go head ill wait. Haynesworth?... yea he really helped his last place 4-12 skins huh?... Houshyamama?.... yea he really helped his 5-11 hawks huh?... We all look for bargains, why should the glazers be any different than us?.... some of you ppl just act like bafoons I swear.
1:18pm, March 7, 2010
jongruden
JoeG31581- I'm with you, lets wait ten years to improve this team by building through the draft instead of getting proven guys in free agency. 2020- look out we are going to the superbowl baby start reserving your hotel room
1:22pm, March 7, 2010
TampaBucks05
Well some of you may not like the fact that we didnt go after some premier FAs (myself included), but at least managment has a plan and are staying true to it, which is more than they could have said last year.
It would be great to see Crowell and Black batlle it our for OLB this offseason. Also excited to see Piscismelly and Lynch battle it out for SS.
It would be great to see Crowell and Black batlle it our for OLB this offseason. Also excited to see Piscismelly and Lynch battle it out for SS.
1:23pm, March 7, 2010
TampaBucks05
~GO BUCS!!!!!~
1:23pm, March 7, 2010
JoeG31581
Bucfan999 thats great and all but one thing you seem to keep forgetting is that when we won the superbowl we already had an established D and only needed a few pieces on O to get the job done.... this team is nowhere near as complete as that team was... therefore overpaying for OLD FA's is useless. You dont overpay players to 'mentor' the younger guys point blank.
1:24pm, March 7, 2010
HNickerson75
cigarfox, I see us grabbing two recievers in this draft. One in the second and one in the third. Some people on here want to say it's crazy to think we are going to start rookie recievers, but those are the same people that are expecting us to make the playoffs next year.
Next year will be another year of development. 8-8 would be a great success. Cross your fingers and hope Freeman starts clicking with Winslow, Stroughter, and the two rookie recievers by mid season, because that is clearly the plan. Atleast that is what I think.
Next year will be another year of development. 8-8 would be a great success. Cross your fingers and hope Freeman starts clicking with Winslow, Stroughter, and the two rookie recievers by mid season, because that is clearly the plan. Atleast that is what I think.
1:26pm, March 7, 2010
JoeG31581
Gruden your just another baffoon buddy. From 2001 til about 2008 we did exactly that... we overpaid for old players so we can win now.... that didnt turn out to well now did it?... well maybe having a winning season every other year and losing in the first round of the playoffs during winning seasons is ok for you but i rather have a team that wins every year in and year out... yea its gonna take a year or two more to get all the pieces right but i'm willing to wait... if your not dont let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.
1:28pm, March 7, 2010
FLBoyInDallas
To all the complainers: please throw your Xbox 360 and Madden NFL 10 in the trash and delete your fantasy football accounts online because they are frying your brain & making it impossible for you to understand REAL football. Dan Snyder & Jerry Jones have already done this, so please follow suit in becoming more mature in your understanding of the practical side of being an owner in this league.
Only a couple of teams have been active thus far. The VAST majority of teams have acted EXACTLY like the Bucs and remained on the sidelines. The Glazers are not cheap, they are working a plan. The plan is to build through the draft while at the same time avoiding too much guaranteed money next season because of the potential of a lockout. Many owners are doing the same thing. They don't care that some of you fantasy footballers need your "fix" of excitement in regards to the acquisition of new players. They couldn't care less.
I think Dominik is a very intelligent GM and is coming into his second season, where he will start to blossom a little and showcase even more if his ability. I honestly believe they will do an excellent job of maximizing "value" in their decisions and will acquire players at the RIGHT price.
We don't need a Peppers on the downside of his career and who already had problems with motivation BEFORE becoming paid like Jared Allen (who by the way is motivated all the time and is still in the early stages of his career). We don't need a Boldin who can't make it through an entire season. We don't need a Burleson who disappears after being signed. We don't need players with maybe two years left of solid play. This is not Gruden's Bucs any longer.
Only a couple of teams have been active thus far. The VAST majority of teams have acted EXACTLY like the Bucs and remained on the sidelines. The Glazers are not cheap, they are working a plan. The plan is to build through the draft while at the same time avoiding too much guaranteed money next season because of the potential of a lockout. Many owners are doing the same thing. They don't care that some of you fantasy footballers need your "fix" of excitement in regards to the acquisition of new players. They couldn't care less.
I think Dominik is a very intelligent GM and is coming into his second season, where he will start to blossom a little and showcase even more if his ability. I honestly believe they will do an excellent job of maximizing "value" in their decisions and will acquire players at the RIGHT price.
We don't need a Peppers on the downside of his career and who already had problems with motivation BEFORE becoming paid like Jared Allen (who by the way is motivated all the time and is still in the early stages of his career). We don't need a Boldin who can't make it through an entire season. We don't need a Burleson who disappears after being signed. We don't need players with maybe two years left of solid play. This is not Gruden's Bucs any longer.
1:45pm, March 7, 2010
bucfan999
JoeG31581, I spent $3000 last year to go watch crap each week. So yes it was my money that they didn't spend on talent last year and I'm not giving them that privilage this year. I'm not saying that they should have gone out and bought Julius Peppers but I think that they should have gone out and called some of the players that are out there and would upgrade our roster not simple take the weekend off and have a draft discussion. Do we need Recievers? In my opinion yes, would I have liked them to at least call and bring in for a discussion someone like Kevin Walter? Yes, would he be an upgrade over "Hands of Stone" Clayton, Stovall and Bradley? YES!!!!! I'm not saying break the bank for a player, we are not in that positon yet, but to upgrade where possible, YES. Would having a Kevin Walter over Clayton be a help to Freemans development? YES, he can at least CATCH THE BALL. I would have liked them to at least explore some of the players available not just ignore them. Do I see the Buc's drafting a few recievers in the draft? Yes, but with only Clayton to mentor them they will never catch the ball.
In life there are 2 types of people, there are the "YES" men and the people who speak their minds. Many of the people on here are in the 1st catagory, they say the Glazer Boys are great owners and they know what they are doing, Rah Rah is going to be the next Belichick and that Dominik is the next coming of Bill Polian. Then there is the people who speak their minds and say that Malcolm was a great owner but the Boys are cheap SOB's only out to make money at the fans expense, Rah Rah was not ready to be a head coach and is in over his head and Dominik is a "YES" man kissing the Glazer Boys rings as he leads us into the abyss. I lived through the Culverhouse years and it wasn't fun being the butt of jokes year in year out, I enjoyed the Dungy & Gruden years being in the playoff hunt year in year out, but maybe I'm in the minority and it's not the superbowl that we play for every year it's really the number one draft pick and if that is the case I think we'll be in the running for that each and every year for the forseeable future.
In life there are 2 types of people, there are the "YES" men and the people who speak their minds. Many of the people on here are in the 1st catagory, they say the Glazer Boys are great owners and they know what they are doing, Rah Rah is going to be the next Belichick and that Dominik is the next coming of Bill Polian. Then there is the people who speak their minds and say that Malcolm was a great owner but the Boys are cheap SOB's only out to make money at the fans expense, Rah Rah was not ready to be a head coach and is in over his head and Dominik is a "YES" man kissing the Glazer Boys rings as he leads us into the abyss. I lived through the Culverhouse years and it wasn't fun being the butt of jokes year in year out, I enjoyed the Dungy & Gruden years being in the playoff hunt year in year out, but maybe I'm in the minority and it's not the superbowl that we play for every year it's really the number one draft pick and if that is the case I think we'll be in the running for that each and every year for the forseeable future.
1:49pm, March 7, 2010
FLBoyInDallas
jongruden: 2020 will be another rebuilding year because all of our rookies will be over 30 years old by then. It's more like 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015 here we come baby.
1:51pm, March 7, 2010
bucfan999
JoeG31581, lets see 2015 is 5 years from now and I said 6 - 10 years of rebuilding so you must agree with me that we're going to suck for the forseeable future.
1:55pm, March 7, 2010
twodog
I am happy the Bucs are not bringing in more rejects. Good job Morris and Dominik. Chest bumps for all the whiners and good fans alike. See who skips OTA's then trade them for draft picks ASAP!!! Sooner rather than later. Negative press, trade them for draft picks ASAP!!!! Sooner rather than later. Go Bucs!!!!
1:57pm, March 7, 2010
pinkstob
The plan Dominik and Morris have in place is fine and will work so long as we have good evaluators of talent for the draft. I think we do. Unfortunately, it also requires patience on the part of the fans.
I'm a very patient man, but I find that most casual fans aren't. Ultimately, it's up to the Glazers. If the Glazers are patient and don't mind losing money while the team slowly gets better, they'll be better for the long term. If they listen to the fans or get tired of losing money from fans not buying merchandise they could fire Dominik and Morris before the plan has a chance to materialize.
Either way the talent will already be on the team and the new coach will reap the benefits. The problem is the new GM and coach could screw it all up again. I hope Dominik and Morris are around to see the fruits of their labor and ridicule because it will pay off for this team.
I'm a very patient man, but I find that most casual fans aren't. Ultimately, it's up to the Glazers. If the Glazers are patient and don't mind losing money while the team slowly gets better, they'll be better for the long term. If they listen to the fans or get tired of losing money from fans not buying merchandise they could fire Dominik and Morris before the plan has a chance to materialize.
Either way the talent will already be on the team and the new coach will reap the benefits. The problem is the new GM and coach could screw it all up again. I hope Dominik and Morris are around to see the fruits of their labor and ridicule because it will pay off for this team.
1:58pm, March 7, 2010
JoeG31581
Bucfan999 I understand the first part of what you said... But the 2nd half of what you said made no sense to me... ok you said we competed year in and year out under gruden?... Thats nuts because that couldnt be farther from the truth... apart from the superbowl win, every other year we had a losing record and even the years we won with gruden we didnt have a very good team. I think we lost twice in the first round of the playoffs at home.. how is that competeing for championships every year? So we fire him cuz he clearly wasnt getting the job done and we start over with a young coach and GM who understand how to win in this league and have a great plan and are following thru with that plan (building thru the draft and not trying to win right now)... theyve only had 1 year to work with these guys and everybody and there mothers knew it would be a rebuilding year (a bad year) and all the sudden were competing for the #1 draft pick every year?... the 2nd half of your post makes no sense to me because it sounds like your just speaking out of anger more than anything else but really look over your statements then look over mine then look at our record since 2001 and you'll see what im talking about... in all honesty we havent been a legitimate contender year in and year out since dungy... but the verdict is still out on Rah and Co. Lets atleast give these guys a chance before just blowing them off after 1 bad rebuilding year. There would be nobody in the league right now if everyone just fired ppl for having 1 bad year.
2:08pm, March 7, 2010
FLBoyInDallas
Totally agree, pinkstob.
2:08pm, March 7, 2010
stone1
how about rouse for pusscetelli competion might be a bit like puss afraid to hit but much better all around player
2:11pm, March 7, 2010
JoeG31581
lol bucfan999 come on now in all seriousness you know as well as I do if it takes that long for the bucs to start winning again then Dom and Rah will be gone before then. its 2010 right now I say by 2012 the latest we will be competing for playoffs year in and year out... it will not take 6 to 10 years unless the glazers listen to you fans who want to fire our staff after 1 losing season every year.... I also believe that FA signings for us will start to pick up year by year as we move along.. Right now were building our core players thru the draft... once that is complete we will start to fill the remaining holes thru FA but right now it just doesnt make any sense to sign overpriced old guys who wont be around when were ready to contend for championships.
2:16pm, March 7, 2010
jongruden
lets recap how we won the super bowl,
free agents signed to turn us around ready?
brad Johnson, keenan McCardel, Jurevicious, traded for Keyshawn, Simeon Rice, Michael Pittman, Ken Dilger, jeff Christy. yeah sounds like a failed plan lets stay away from free agents and trades and just draft players the draft has worked so well for us, Gaines, Caddy , Clayton etc
free agents signed to turn us around ready?
brad Johnson, keenan McCardel, Jurevicious, traded for Keyshawn, Simeon Rice, Michael Pittman, Ken Dilger, jeff Christy. yeah sounds like a failed plan lets stay away from free agents and trades and just draft players the draft has worked so well for us, Gaines, Caddy , Clayton etc
2:22pm, March 7, 2010
FLBoyInDallas
Gruden took over a team that had a strong, young core that had been built through the draft FIRST. Once we are at that point again, jongruden, I would agree that we need to add some strong veteran pieces to fill in whatever we're missing. We're still in the Wyche, early Dungy phase of building from scratch again right now so there's no need for us to be pursuing many veterans. That's putting the cart before the horse.
2:36pm, March 7, 2010
JoeG31581
hey baffoon even you have to admit that our superbowl team was much more put together than the one we have now right?... come on even your little brain can agree with that one... as i said teams that are on the brink of playoffs or more benefit from FAs... not teams that are nowhere close... once again your logic doesnt fit what we have going on right now.... go head and hit me with another poor excuse to sign overpriced old players.
2:36pm, March 7, 2010
FLBoyInDallas
Dominik is not trying to win now through easy methods that don't last very long...he's building to win in the long term over a sustained period of time. As much as this philosophy irks some of you (cough...bf47...cough) it's just the reality of things.
2:38pm, March 7, 2010
JDouble
We had a solid foundation of players from the draft when we went to the Super Bowl. Increasing our overall talent thru FA made sense since we were ready to make a real run at the the Super Bowl.
We have drafted poorly, and gave away two of our first round picks for Gruden, so we don't have that solid foundation right now. We have to draft well and get that solid foundation back before we can start filling holes with FAs. I don't know how long it will take to build that solid foundation, it all depends on how well we draft.
The point that so many of you don't seem to agree with, is that we need to build that foundation back up thru the draft. Some of you think we can build that foundation with 30 year FAs.
We have drafted poorly, and gave away two of our first round picks for Gruden, so we don't have that solid foundation right now. We have to draft well and get that solid foundation back before we can start filling holes with FAs. I don't know how long it will take to build that solid foundation, it all depends on how well we draft.
The point that so many of you don't seem to agree with, is that we need to build that foundation back up thru the draft. Some of you think we can build that foundation with 30 year FAs.
2:43pm, March 7, 2010
bucfan999
JoeG31581, lets see, after the Superbowl win the next year we had the post superbowl hangover as many past champions have and the salary cap hell started to take effect for records of 7-9 & 5-11 (a rebuilding year). The next year we finished 11 -5 and in the playoffs but the next year Chris Simms got injured and we had no QB which led to a 4 - 12 year. The next 2 years were 9 - 7 and the Bucs had a 9 - 3 record with the 2nd best record in the NFC before Kiffin said he was quitting to go to Tennessee and the defense fell apart giving up over 30 points a game over the last 4 games (the offense did it's part by scoring at least 28 in 3 of those last 4 games), After the season Gruden met with the Glazerhouse boys and said he wanted to spend the 33 million we had under the cap to upgrade the roster and compete for the SuperBowl but the Glazerhouse boys said no they wanted to keep the money and fired him and Allen as well.
WAKE UP AND SMELL THE ROSES the Glazerhouse boys don't care about winning all they care about is the bottom line and how much they can make. Like I said in a previous post I bet that they will have this years payroll at least $50 million below what last years cap was. In any sport it takes spending money to have a winner, not just throwing money out like the Redskins but spending smart like the Eagles, Vikings, Packers & Patriots. Look at the teams with the lowest payrolls and usually you will find the last place teams in each league.
WAKE UP AND SMELL THE ROSES the Glazerhouse boys don't care about winning all they care about is the bottom line and how much they can make. Like I said in a previous post I bet that they will have this years payroll at least $50 million below what last years cap was. In any sport it takes spending money to have a winner, not just throwing money out like the Redskins but spending smart like the Eagles, Vikings, Packers & Patriots. Look at the teams with the lowest payrolls and usually you will find the last place teams in each league.
2:46pm, March 7, 2010
JoeG31581
Bucfan999 you really are getting sad now... you have an excuse for every year we had a losing season under gruden?... that is really.... really sad. Excuses are just that excuses. Excuses wont change the fact that they were losing seasons. I can make a dozen excuses for why we had a losing season last year... still wouldnt change the fact we had a horrible year. And im sure you were in the room when that conversation took place between gruden and the glazers right?... im not even gonna argue with you anymore because that whole paragraph you just wrote tells me all i need to know about where you stand and how bias you really are... when you want to have an unbias conversation with no excuses like an adult you let me know.
2:59pm, March 7, 2010
FLBoyInDallas
One guy I would be interested in is the Steelers' Limas Sweed. I've read reports that Pittsburgh is unhappy with him and that behind the scenes he is being shopped in trade. If we could get Sweed for a 5th rounder I would jump all over that.
3:05pm, March 7, 2010
reggaebuc
I support the Glazers in this lack of interest in free agency, afterall, all the players signed thus far have been grossly overpaid. In my opinion, none of the players signed was worth the money they received, especially Peppers , there's no way he's worth $91 mil, and I credit the Bucs for not overspending on players who are past their prime just in an effort to passify the masses. It is unfortunate that the talent level available doesn't quite match the market, but the Bucs aren't wrong for not taking part.
The only player in whom I wish they had shown some interest is Anquan Boldin. I think our high third round pick would have gotten the deal done, and his price didn't seem too high $10 mil guaranteed and a total contract of $28 mil.
Even though they were wise not to overspend, they still should make an effort to add some veteran players like Ogunleye, even if it's for competition purposed. Hopefully we strike gold with at least 7 of our 10 picks in the draft picks, because if seems as though that will be our only method of improvement.
Good Luck & GO BUCS !!!
The only player in whom I wish they had shown some interest is Anquan Boldin. I think our high third round pick would have gotten the deal done, and his price didn't seem too high $10 mil guaranteed and a total contract of $28 mil.
Even though they were wise not to overspend, they still should make an effort to add some veteran players like Ogunleye, even if it's for competition purposed. Hopefully we strike gold with at least 7 of our 10 picks in the draft picks, because if seems as though that will be our only method of improvement.
Good Luck & GO BUCS !!!
3:05pm, March 7, 2010
cigarfox
"jongruden: 2020 will be another rebuilding year because all of our rookies will be over 30 years old by then. It's more like 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015 here we come baby."
Possibly, but not necessarily. If the Bucs turn this franchise around by 2013 and they do we for several years they can keep the team youthful if they don't trade away draft picks for old veterans. They need to draft and draft well, or trade picks for young studs like, Winslow. They can also pick up players who are unrestricted free agents.
If they do things right or draft pick work out pretty well, they will not have to rebuild again. If things don't workout well, then the will have to rebuild in 2020 or whenever.
You can't expect the Bucs to be a playoff team every year forever. Last time I checked, there are 32 teams in the NFL and only 12 get to go to the playoffs. You can not expect the Bucs to not have loosing seasons from time to time. Sometimes, it takes a little to turn a team around and sometimes it takes a lot. Rebuilding is not always a bad thing. Every NFL team that has a crummy season has a bunch of fans who are going to bitch and complain as a lot of us fans are, but unfortunately every week, half the teams have got to loose. Unfortunately, 20 team will not make it to the playoffs.
Real fans support their team throughout the good years and the bad years. We all should be thankful that we have a pretty good run in the past 13 years with some up and downs in the past 7. Who would have ever thought 15 years ago that the Bucs were only were a few years away from winning a SuperBowl. Who ever thought that the Bucs would revolutionize a defense that was copied by several team in the NFL. Just as the NFL thinks that have put in end to the Tampa 2, The Bucs could show everyone that the scheme can still be lethal in the future. The Bucs days of greatness will return. Let's just hope it will be sooner than later.
3:07pm, March 7, 2010
jongruden
way to nail it bucfan999, some fans except failure by thinking there must be another plan in store for us instead of seeing the facts. Sad but true, while it is hard to see the Bucs care less about winning and more about small payrolls the fact is its true, they are in debt with manchester united and are making up for it with the bucs.
3:10pm, March 7, 2010
jongruden
Ok, we don't get Boldin for a measly third round draft choice lets see how that panned out for us in a couple of years when Boldin is getting 1,000 yds and 8 td's 85 catches like he averages every year we will see how our third round choice is doing. So your plan Joe and Jdouble is to go into the season with Clayton and Stovall and some rookie this seasson, idiotic and scary stupid if you ask me.
3:14pm, March 7, 2010
house78
"SECOND WAVE OF FREE AGENCY"- All that means is we're waiting until the day after the draft to sign a bunch of NCAA dead wood. Looks like another fine year in Tampa.
I'm not asking for the bank to be broken on a big-name free agent, but we WERE 3-13 last year. DO F**KING SOMETHING!
I'm not asking for the bank to be broken on a big-name free agent, but we WERE 3-13 last year. DO F**KING SOMETHING!
3:15pm, March 7, 2010
jongruden
way to give Freeamn some help at the wr position, you guys should run the team if it were up to yuou guys we wouldn't have traded our second last year for K2 and would have kept ip and drafted some te in the draft.
3:15pm, March 7, 2010
FLBoyInDallas
cigarfox, I mostly agree with you except for the Tampa 2 being lethal again. The only team in the NFL still holding onto the original concept of the Tampa 2 is Chicago and we've seen how their defense has become less effective each year. Our defense will never again be implement the same way as it was under Kiffin. Raheem is hybridizing the defense in ways that will make it very different from the original Tampa 2. I think this is a good thing. If you don't grow & change and stay on the leading edge of schemes with adjustments that take into account the league's comfort level level with your previous schemes then you will only get closer & closer to irrelevance as time passes. The glory days of the original, old-school Tampa 2 system are past. It's a new generation.
3:18pm, March 7, 2010
jongruden
Jdouble and joe glazier strike again.
the Glaziers are happy as hell to read your posts, it saves them a tremendous amount of money and they can satisfy you with second and third round picks, in the words of Malcolm Glazier "Go Bucs, Go Bucs"
the Glaziers are happy as hell to read your posts, it saves them a tremendous amount of money and they can satisfy you with second and third round picks, in the words of Malcolm Glazier "Go Bucs, Go Bucs"
3:18pm, March 7, 2010
Horse
I got to admit it that I was pretty negative on the Glazers during the past season and expressed my opinions about Morris being so inexperienced, but I am willing to give them all a chance this season to succeed.
I understand that free agency is for those teams that are contenders this year; we are not. We have to rebuild our defensive line and some of you don't agree with this, but also our offensive line. Most of the time both sides of the trenches were valleys.
I know you can not make an all pro lineman in one year; it just doesn't happen. What I am looking for this year is that gang tackling hard hitting Bucs to start appearing again and I'm also looking for that hard running game that we have talked about in the past. If this shows sign of reappearing then we should 6-8 games and I would be happy with that.
That would be a big improvement and then maybe we can say obtaining a free agent or two in 2011 might bring us to the playoffs along with a 2011 decent draft.
I understand that free agency is for those teams that are contenders this year; we are not. We have to rebuild our defensive line and some of you don't agree with this, but also our offensive line. Most of the time both sides of the trenches were valleys.
I know you can not make an all pro lineman in one year; it just doesn't happen. What I am looking for this year is that gang tackling hard hitting Bucs to start appearing again and I'm also looking for that hard running game that we have talked about in the past. If this shows sign of reappearing then we should 6-8 games and I would be happy with that.
That would be a big improvement and then maybe we can say obtaining a free agent or two in 2011 might bring us to the playoffs along with a 2011 decent draft.
3:25pm, March 7, 2010
JoeG31581
Gruden your still stressing how ignorant you really are. Come on man did you forget about the draft?... what about trades?.... you have no idea what the bucs are thinking or doing... why dont you quit whinning like a little girl and wait for this whole thing to play out and then judge whats going on. You dont think Dom and Rah know there in bad shape at the WR position?... trust me they know and im positive they have a plan to fix it. There job would depend on it, as everyone knows Freeman cant do much without weapons. So do us all a favor. Relax, change your diaper and lets just wait and see how the rest of the offseason unfolds.
3:30pm, March 7, 2010
jongruden
I'm sorry everyone. I am really a pathetic sad little man. My only joy in life is to spread negativity and rip on people over the internet. I have no friends and that makes me hateful. I apologize for being such an ignorant jerk all the time. I'll try to stop.
I like boys.
I like boys.
3:42pm, March 7, 2010
JoeG31581
Probably boys in diapers.
3:44pm, March 7, 2010
FLBoyInDallas
Now that the personal attacks have started, I'm out. Later.
4:00pm, March 7, 2010
Tattoodonny
No, no, no we do not need the league or those blood sucking AGENTS hearing a nasty rumor that this team is only looking at the draft during the 1st week of free agency. Al least look interested. I believe most of us have been paying attention to what's been going on with the Rams and especially Detroit. With a new owner in St. Louis, it just smells like QB? Jersey sells, season tickets selling with "HOPE" in the AIR; while Detroit going after and spending draft picks, writing a few nice sized checks for there defensive line, you have to guess they will be looking HARD at the best Left Tackle in this draft to save there QB from becoming the next David CCCCCAR. And then Dominik and Morris are sitting there with their choice of Suh or McCoy! Now what? After individual workouts just go with who fits the defense Morris desides to run this year? Not a bad problem to have, and it just seems like maybe, just maybe something good will happen to the Bucs, kind of like when Detroit had the luxury to choose either, B Sanders at #3 or Deion Sanders, there both HOF'ers. GOOD LUCK TAMPA BAY, Mark Dominic and coach Morris!!! GO BUCS
4:04pm, March 7, 2010
jongruden
joe stop using my log on to post weak ass corny comments, you stooge don't turn this into child games
4:29pm, March 7, 2010
bucfan999
JoeG31581, you seem to be one of the people on here that thinks since we have 10 draft picks this year means at least what 6 new starters from the draft? Don't you realize that the draft is a crap shoot and that most of the draft picks never become what was expected from them?
Just look at the Buccaneer history with it's number one draft pick
1976 = Lee Roy Selmon --- A home run
1977 = Ricky Bell --- 1 1000 yard season but died young
1978 = Doug Williams --- Good Franchise QB
1979 = Greg Roberts (2nd Rnd) --- Decent player
1980 = Ray Snell --- Never lived up to expectations
1981 = Hugh Green --- Pro Bowler who paid to leave town tired of losing
1982 = Sean Farrell --- Good Guard, traded away to NE
1983 = Randy Grimes --- Starting Center for 10 years
1984 = Keith Browner --- BUST
1985 = Ron Holmes --- BUST
1986 = Bo Jackson --- Refused to play for a loser & Rod Jones --- Nickname was toast says it all (BUST)
1987 = Vinny Testeverde --- Good QB with no supporting cast
1988 = Paul Gruber ---- Franchise LT
1989 = Broderick Thomas --- BUST
1990 = Keith McCants --- BUST
1991 = Charles McCray --- BUST
1992 = Courtney Hawkins --- Barely decent
1993 = Eric Curry ---- BUST
1994 = Trent Dilfer --- Decent QB
1995 = Warren Sapp & Derrick Brooks ---- FUTURE HALL OF FAMERS
1996 = Regan Upshaw & Marcus Jones --- BUSTS
1997 = Warrick Dunn & Reidel Anthony --- One Hit & ONE BUST
1998 = Jacquez Green --- BUST
1999 = Anthony McFarland --- BUST
2000 = Cosey Coleman --- Never panned out
2001 = Kenyatta Walker --- BUST
2002 = Marques Walker --- BUST
2003 = Dewayne White --- Decent backup
2004 = Michael Clayton --- BUST
2005 = Carnell Williams --- Good player when healthy
2006 = Davin Joseph --- Best player on poor OL
2007 = Gaines Adams --- BUST
2008 = Aqib Talib --- Future Pro Bowler
2009 = Josh Freeman --- Time will Tell
Out of 35 players who was either picked in the 1st round or was the 1st player chosen by the Bucs we have 18 that were either total BUSTS or refused to play for such a losing franchise, 9 players that was a quality starter or top backup and 9 players that we hit on, either future hall of famer or pro bowler.
This shows that the draft is a 50 - 50 proposition and if this is all you count on and think that the team will turn around by 2011 (a season which no games will be played since there will be a lockout) you people are DREAMING and I have some nice swampland in south Florida to sell you.
Just look at the Buccaneer history with it's number one draft pick
1976 = Lee Roy Selmon --- A home run
1977 = Ricky Bell --- 1 1000 yard season but died young
1978 = Doug Williams --- Good Franchise QB
1979 = Greg Roberts (2nd Rnd) --- Decent player
1980 = Ray Snell --- Never lived up to expectations
1981 = Hugh Green --- Pro Bowler who paid to leave town tired of losing
1982 = Sean Farrell --- Good Guard, traded away to NE
1983 = Randy Grimes --- Starting Center for 10 years
1984 = Keith Browner --- BUST
1985 = Ron Holmes --- BUST
1986 = Bo Jackson --- Refused to play for a loser & Rod Jones --- Nickname was toast says it all (BUST)
1987 = Vinny Testeverde --- Good QB with no supporting cast
1988 = Paul Gruber ---- Franchise LT
1989 = Broderick Thomas --- BUST
1990 = Keith McCants --- BUST
1991 = Charles McCray --- BUST
1992 = Courtney Hawkins --- Barely decent
1993 = Eric Curry ---- BUST
1994 = Trent Dilfer --- Decent QB
1995 = Warren Sapp & Derrick Brooks ---- FUTURE HALL OF FAMERS
1996 = Regan Upshaw & Marcus Jones --- BUSTS
1997 = Warrick Dunn & Reidel Anthony --- One Hit & ONE BUST
1998 = Jacquez Green --- BUST
1999 = Anthony McFarland --- BUST
2000 = Cosey Coleman --- Never panned out
2001 = Kenyatta Walker --- BUST
2002 = Marques Walker --- BUST
2003 = Dewayne White --- Decent backup
2004 = Michael Clayton --- BUST
2005 = Carnell Williams --- Good player when healthy
2006 = Davin Joseph --- Best player on poor OL
2007 = Gaines Adams --- BUST
2008 = Aqib Talib --- Future Pro Bowler
2009 = Josh Freeman --- Time will Tell
Out of 35 players who was either picked in the 1st round or was the 1st player chosen by the Bucs we have 18 that were either total BUSTS or refused to play for such a losing franchise, 9 players that was a quality starter or top backup and 9 players that we hit on, either future hall of famer or pro bowler.
This shows that the draft is a 50 - 50 proposition and if this is all you count on and think that the team will turn around by 2011 (a season which no games will be played since there will be a lockout) you people are DREAMING and I have some nice swampland in south Florida to sell you.
4:33pm, March 7, 2010
cremdonado
Kampman is a Jag-Nice pursuit Dommers....
Active in second half of free agency = rebuilding by bottomfeeding...
I am so excited I can hardly contain myself...
Active in second half of free agency = rebuilding by bottomfeeding...
I am so excited I can hardly contain myself...
4:59pm, March 7, 2010
bucfan999
Oh and by the way JoeG31581 it was Pewter Report who reported that Gruden wanted to spend the 33 million in cap money as the main reason he was fired by the Glazerhouse Boys. So all this only proves what I have said there are 2 types of people in the world......those that blindly follow (like the people in Jonestown who drank the koolaid) and those that ask questions when they see something wrong. Guess which one of the two you are.........hint.......hint.......don't drink the koolaid and live
5:03pm, March 7, 2010
JacoBucs
I don't see anyone asking questions bucfan999. Just whining and complaining and making negative uninformed comments.
5:43pm, March 7, 2010
jongruden
disagree that Vinny was a good qb, you could have given him K2 and he still would thrown 36 picks like he did
5:48pm, March 7, 2010
JacoBucs
I shouldn't have said whining, as that just eggs people on, and that is not my intention. I apologize. What I meant is people aren't questioning things, they are declaring everything sucks and everything is hopeless as if it were fact. There is a big difference.
We are rebuilding because we aloud ourselves to get to this point were all our vets got too old and we don't have the young talent to step up. Why are we in this situation? That is what we should be questioning. That is what we should be upset about.
Yelling and screaming and being negative about the future as if we know what will happen is niether helpful or intelligent. Be angry about being in this situation, but be hopeful and supportive about the future. Atleast that is how I feel.
We are rebuilding because we aloud ourselves to get to this point were all our vets got too old and we don't have the young talent to step up. Why are we in this situation? That is what we should be questioning. That is what we should be upset about.
Yelling and screaming and being negative about the future as if we know what will happen is niether helpful or intelligent. Be angry about being in this situation, but be hopeful and supportive about the future. Atleast that is how I feel.
5:56pm, March 7, 2010
bucfan999
JacoBucs, I'm not the one here saying we should ignore an avenue to upgrade our roster and only focus on the draft. I find in uninformed when people say that all the fixes will come through the draft when you are LUCKY if you hit on 3 out of 10 draft choices. I not yelling and screaming or being negative about the future, I'm being realistic. Rebuilding teams usually take longer than 2 -5 years to become a playoff contender again, examples being like the Bills (no playoffs since 1999), the Bengals (2 playoff appearances in 19 years), the Jaguars (2 in 10 years), the Lions (0 in 10 years), the Cardinals (4 in 36 years before Whisenhunt). All I have said through all this is in any sport if you don't spend money on players you end up being bottom feeders until you do start spending money. Buccaneer fans know this as well as any one. Culverhouse traditionally didn't spend money and we came in last many times. Malcom Glazer spent what was necessary to win but the Glazerhouse Boys are like Culverhouse and only look at the bottom line.
6:31pm, March 7, 2010
jongruden
agree bucfan999- can anyone name the last time a third round choice of our has ever panned out? That is what we could have given up for Boldin, picture me kicking and screaming
6:55pm, March 7, 2010
24bucs
Well said House78.
I am wondering when the second tier of free agents will start lining up to visit the Bucs. What is the deal with interest in Willie Parker?? We do not need another rb, we need DEFENSE and WR's. The Bucs could of very well gone out and traded for Boldin and gave him an extension, or tried to sign Walter, but NO, we will lay low and go out and bring in some other teams unwanted players who will not pan out. I understand the uncapped year and possible lockout next season, but come on, after a 3-13 season, you would think the Glazers would put a half way descent team out on the field. At least give the fans some hope or Josh Freeman will never grow, he will become another David Carr........
I am wondering when the second tier of free agents will start lining up to visit the Bucs. What is the deal with interest in Willie Parker?? We do not need another rb, we need DEFENSE and WR's. The Bucs could of very well gone out and traded for Boldin and gave him an extension, or tried to sign Walter, but NO, we will lay low and go out and bring in some other teams unwanted players who will not pan out. I understand the uncapped year and possible lockout next season, but come on, after a 3-13 season, you would think the Glazers would put a half way descent team out on the field. At least give the fans some hope or Josh Freeman will never grow, he will become another David Carr........
7:36pm, March 7, 2010
buclover1988
you don't get it jongruden you just dont. your coming on here and insulting ppl who have a positive attitude about the team. i really could care less if you think the team is crap, but dont insult others for believing in what they do. haha you really think your tough dont you by insulting others.? its ridiculous. you cant even recognize that its wrong and back off. your entitled to your opinion but u look like complete buffoon when you do it.
7:47pm, March 7, 2010
jongruden
what is positive about sitting on your ass and doing nothing in free agency while other teams try and get better? tell me buclover1988, just because you are a fan doesn't mean you have to be blind and not have a voice, I will be heard!
8:07pm, March 7, 2010
jongruden
If we get Anquan Boldin does that improve our team for the next 3-4 yrs? yes or no? Than why did we do nothing to help our football team, saying we are going to rely on the draft to improve is a losers mentality and the Lions have finally figured that out they at least got Vanden Bosh while we who rushing the passer Tim Crowder and Teen Wolf. So yes I am pissed to see the same product on the football field again next year when we have 50 million in cap space.
8:11pm, March 7, 2010
buclover1988
im not blind. and can you read? i said your entitled to your opinion but to insult people for believing what they do is dumb.
8:12pm, March 7, 2010
davdar
Hey buclover1988. Remember this? " davdar your an IDIOT". Now you want to come here and tell someone not to insult others for believing what they do. I said what I thought about Bryant . Now who looks like the idiot. Guess you must have thought YOU were tough insulting someone!!!! Guess it is ok for you.!!!!
8:19pm, March 7, 2010
dcrum35
I am all for mostly going thru the draft. I am also trying my best to remain optimistic through all this....
but......
for those of you that don't realize it yet: THE GLAZERS ARE BROKE.
There is no way a 3-13 team doesn't go after SOME free agents. I keep looking HOPING they will, but it is increasingly clear they will MAYBE go after some tier 3 FA on the cheap.
Sad.
If they do not find a buyer for Manchester U then the NFL WILL be trying to see if they can force them to sell the Bucs within a couple years.
Not going after a big time WR with a rookie QB is just pathetic.
but......
for those of you that don't realize it yet: THE GLAZERS ARE BROKE.
There is no way a 3-13 team doesn't go after SOME free agents. I keep looking HOPING they will, but it is increasingly clear they will MAYBE go after some tier 3 FA on the cheap.
Sad.
If they do not find a buyer for Manchester U then the NFL WILL be trying to see if they can force them to sell the Bucs within a couple years.
Not going after a big time WR with a rookie QB is just pathetic.
8:38pm, March 7, 2010
Horse
bucfan999, Charles mcCray 1991 went on to play for the Raiders for years and also was in the Suoerbowl.
Well presented though.
jongruden- Lawrence Dawsey was a third round pick and played for us for a few years and I think a couple more in Miami. Bolden won't last two years; his injuries have caught up with him.
I get your point though.
Well presented though.
jongruden- Lawrence Dawsey was a third round pick and played for us for a few years and I think a couple more in Miami. Bolden won't last two years; his injuries have caught up with him.
I get your point though.
8:40pm, March 7, 2010
buclover1988
im sorry, but kyle vanden bosh is not that good. hes 31 and he had 3 sacks last yr. white had 6 and white had 6.5 and crowder had 3.5. whats your point dude? seriously, all you want is a big name signing. NONE of these FA who are being picked up are worth a long time investment. im sorry that building this team through the draft is so difficult for you to accept but thats what were doing. this FA class is WEAK peppers was easily far and away the best FA and he was signed by chicago. y? bc they dont have a 1st or 2nd rounder and had no choice but to sign all of these FA to huge contracts bc of the lack of pics. ya the draft may seem like a penny saver way of building the team but its also been shown to be the best way. seriously if you want a team that spends a ton of money on FA go be a fan of a big market team. this team did make a big trade last yr and getting kellen winslow who is a top te in the nfl. we had to completely tear down the mess that gruden left us and build a new foundation because gruden was too scared too rebuild and was all about the "ole savy vetran". sorry, but in order to win consistently you need to start from scratch and build through the draft. we will add FA when we feel its time, but right now, and especially when the FA class is so weak, its better to go to the draft and take advantage of a deep draft class.
8:43pm, March 7, 2010
buclover1988
no i dont remember that, i really didnt mean to use it and am sorry.
8:47pm, March 7, 2010
bucfan999
Horse, Thank You, I put it together rather quickly just to make the point that just counting on the Draft doesn't always work out well and that the draft is a crap shoot when it comes to evaluating how a college kid will adapt not only to the NFL game but also to the pressures of becoming rich. Not all kids make the adjustment well.
9:02pm, March 7, 2010
jongruden
bucslover1988= My points over a career vandenbosh has proven to be a way better player. To even put the stats of Wilkerson and White is hilarious, thats the highest total for him ib his career and White will never have double digit sacks signing Vandenbosh would have been worth the risk, we have no playmakers and could use a guy who has has a productive career to produce but also be a leader which this team lacks.
9:17pm, March 7, 2010
jongruden
Crowder had 3.5 and what is your point buclover are you implying those guys are better than Vandenbosh, dude you have to be joking
9:19pm, March 7, 2010
deedee
Agreed: KingJava
The big spenders, Chicago and Detroit, overpaid. The signings will not bring them a championship and they will end up releasing those players in three years. Bad teams make desparate decisions.
Trust Mark Dominik!!!!!
The Bucs need to stay the course!!!
The big spenders, Chicago and Detroit, overpaid. The signings will not bring them a championship and they will end up releasing those players in three years. Bad teams make desparate decisions.
Trust Mark Dominik!!!!!
The Bucs need to stay the course!!!
9:40pm, March 7, 2010
jongruden
Peppers released my ass!
9:46pm, March 7, 2010
H.oneG
What the hell are you even arguing about? "Vanden Bosch has proven to be a way better player over his career"? So what!? This isn't a HoF meeting. The dude will be 32 in November. He had 3 sacks last year and sucked without face stomper Haynesworth in the middle. Are you suggesting spending big money on a long term contract would have been a good move for us? You've got to be joking.
9:50pm, March 7, 2010
buclover1988
he is 31 what dont you get about that? he had albert haynesworth playing beside him when he was productive. he is over the hill and this team has clearly CLEARLY stated that they want younger players. vanden bosh was not worth the money man. hes done and would only take reps away from younger player that needs it. hes had 42 career sacks and thrives when better players are around him. hes a decent player, and comparing the numbers that wilkerson and styles white show that they both have had better yrs then vanden bosch over the last 2 seasons who has had 7.5 sacks where as wilkerson has had 11 and stlez white has had 11.5. actually, if you compare kyle and styles over the lasst 3 seasons, they both are even at 19.5 with white being a little bit more consistent then kyle over the 3 yr span. kyle has had some good yrs when he got 12.5 and 12. but outside of that he hasnt been consistent and is more of a product of having better players around him then him actually being a force.
9:51pm, March 7, 2010
H.oneG
Peppers own teammates have said he doesn't love the game. He's in it for the money. You honeslty think he will play hard now that he has over $40 million guaranteed? Good luck with that.
Giving a 30 year old with a questionable work ethic a 7 year deal with huge amonuts of guaranteed money.....hmmmm, sounds like something only a desperate team with no 1st or 2nd round draft picks would do. Or jongruden
Giving a 30 year old with a questionable work ethic a 7 year deal with huge amonuts of guaranteed money.....hmmmm, sounds like something only a desperate team with no 1st or 2nd round draft picks would do. Or jongruden
9:55pm, March 7, 2010
H.oneG
How ironic is it that a guy with the handle name "jongruden" can't undertsand why we wouldn't fill our team with overpriced, old, hand me down players?
Can you imagine if Gruden was still here? He'd be foaming at the mouth over Peppers. We'd have Brett Favre and probably Delhomme at QB, LaDainian Tomlinson and Brian Westbrook in the back field, Terrel Owens and Laverbius Coles at WR....and all the idiots on these boards would be SOOO happy to go 9-7 and start all over next year.
Can you imagine if Gruden was still here? He'd be foaming at the mouth over Peppers. We'd have Brett Favre and probably Delhomme at QB, LaDainian Tomlinson and Brian Westbrook in the back field, Terrel Owens and Laverbius Coles at WR....and all the idiots on these boards would be SOOO happy to go 9-7 and start all over next year.
10:03pm, March 7, 2010
jongruden
how did Brett Favre do last year 33 td's and 7 picks and a championship game, and the Bucs were 3-13, I'll take Favre
10:48pm, March 7, 2010
H.oneG
Exactly.
11:12pm, March 7, 2010
jongruden
exactly the fact your content with 3-13 as long as they are young players
11:26pm, March 7, 2010
H.oneG
No. I would rather have a 21 year old promising franchise QB that I can be excited about, than some other teams legend that will be history in a year. I love Favre.....as a Packer. I don't want any part in what he is doing these last few years.
If the Vikings had won the SB this year. Where is the glory in that? They had to get thier division rivals 40 year old QB to finally get it done? You may say a SB win is a SB win, but that's not how I would want it.
Some folks love this game for the players. Some only care about winning. You are the latter.
If the Vikings had won the SB this year. Where is the glory in that? They had to get thier division rivals 40 year old QB to finally get it done? You may say a SB win is a SB win, but that's not how I would want it.
Some folks love this game for the players. Some only care about winning. You are the latter.
1:06am, March 8, 2010
jongruden
Most fans, ownership, merchandise retailers, sponsors and tv networks who would show the games nationally and the NFL cause Favre gets national coverage not Freeman. If you only wanted high character guys than start a protest against Talib and Geno Hayes who has been suspended in college for fights with teammates and Jeremy Stevens. Don't forget we won the superbowl with Pittman, Rice, Sapp and Dwight Smith who are not high character guys. So save me your self righteous speech
1:57am, March 8, 2010
buclover1988
H.OneG dont worry about it. many of these haters have grown so accustom to having old has beens as our starters that thats what they think we need in order to win. when building a dynasty you have to take steps back b4 you go forward. does anyone remember that gruden had some bad yrs here too? its not like he won consistently yr after yr. we had only had 1 season above ten wins after the super in 2002. in 2005 we had 11 and lost to the redskins in the playoffs at home and that was it. we were never gonna get back to the super bowl with him. . he got us over the hump and im thankful for that, but its time to move on. its been 8 yrs since we last won a playoff game and im sorry but no more. 9-7 was the best you could expect and just pray that we get a wild card spot. in order to get where we want to be we had to tear everything down. gruden and co. did leave us some good pieces with aqib, tanard, ruud, and geno. our o-line has yet to be determined tho and his drafting has ben decent at best. for being a qb guy he never did take the time to develop one and thats one of the many reasons we never got back. qbs win championships in this league now and the game has evolved. hes always on espn talking about how he loves arron rodgers and all these "young gun slingers" and many times i would find myself asking when watching monday night football; if you love them so much, y didnt you get one before round 3 and develop him? he was ALL about the vetrans and thats ok when your contending but we weren't anymore. he never wanted to go through growing pains with young players which is y we started to see other teams pass us by bc they; 1) had younger better players, and 2) had a very good qb. our best qb has been jeff garcia and by the time we got him he was already flirting with social security. this regime has gotten us a very young qb to be excited about as well as drafting roy miller and stealing sammy in the 7th rd as well as trading for kellen winslow. mistakes have been made, but thats part of growing as players and coaches and a first time gm. im excited that we finally are getting younger players in here and seeing what they can do. it had been long overdue.
4:59am, March 8, 2010
bcrowell
JoeG31581- that's a bad take. The point is that in pro sports, it IS the community's money. There is an implied social contract involved that says we will pay our hard earned for tickets and that in return, the owner will try everything in his power to win while using the financial resources we provide him. In this case the Glazers are using those resources to prop up their other investment, Manchester United. As such, they are in breach of the agreement. IMO, a team must use at least 1/2 way between the floor and ceiling of the cap to be said to be "trying". And a quick example of their cheapness is Antonio Bryant. He's not here because of money; period. And that will hamper the development of Freeman. Another is Aaron Campman. He could have been very helpful. Come on. Get real.
8:41am, March 8, 2010
wnb0395
Getting Bolden for a 3rd round pick is a steal. He would have helped the Bucs tremendously. He may not have helped them win but he sure the hell would have helped Freemans Progress. Going through this season with out a top WR will kill Freemans progress and moral. When Freeman has a horrible season this year because he has no one to throw to everyone will be calling for his head. Think about the confidence builder it is to have the go to WR to move the chains and score points. Yes Bolden wouldn't have helped us win a championship but he would have helped Freeman. Not only bolden but thier are other top fre agents that would have helped us develop our younger players. We need a couple of Great Vets to lead and teach our team. We dont need to sign FA to win championships, we need to sign them to help us grow our young players. That what you people dont understand
1:19pm, March 8, 2010
inspecto
Since when is 28 old even in football???
6:36pm, March 8, 2010
cozart
you guys are something else, first off for all of you that think we're gonna trade down a couple spots and end up with all these 2nd and 3rd rounders just take a look at last years draft. the jets moved up from 17 to 5 for a 2nd and a few scrubs, we moved from 17 to 15 for a 6th, baltimore moved from 26 to 24 for a 6th, most all the moves landed late rounders.
it's still too early to tell but freeman, miller, moore, sammy, all look like hits in last years draft - as did fulton and biggers before their injuries. in case anyone's counting we could be looking at 6 for 6 there. not too shabby of a plan to build threw the draft when your batting .1000 (really don't think that can continue) but still i don't think these guys get enough credit for this past draft.
i do however think we need a #1 wr, and man brandon marshall would really be the one key fa to make me happy (btw we just traded for brown - not bad hopefully he takes claytons spot)
and lastly how do any of you know just what the fo is doing behind the scenes? what because you do or do not read about it that makes it a reality? i for one do not believe that they have not contacted ANY free agents. if you believe that there intentionally ignoring any and all fa, well your entitled to your own opinion. but then thats probably why i spend more time scrolling threw the endless blabber rather than reading it.
it's still too early to tell but freeman, miller, moore, sammy, all look like hits in last years draft - as did fulton and biggers before their injuries. in case anyone's counting we could be looking at 6 for 6 there. not too shabby of a plan to build threw the draft when your batting .1000 (really don't think that can continue) but still i don't think these guys get enough credit for this past draft.
i do however think we need a #1 wr, and man brandon marshall would really be the one key fa to make me happy (btw we just traded for brown - not bad hopefully he takes claytons spot)
and lastly how do any of you know just what the fo is doing behind the scenes? what because you do or do not read about it that makes it a reality? i for one do not believe that they have not contacted ANY free agents. if you believe that there intentionally ignoring any and all fa, well your entitled to your own opinion. but then thats probably why i spend more time scrolling threw the endless blabber rather than reading it.
9:00pm, March 8, 2010
cozart
oops that was meant for the other article.
9:03pm, March 8, 2010
JoeG31581
Crowell come on man... it might be true that the Glazers are in a bad situation with the bucs financially but you have no idea if they are funneling money back to there soccer team... Stop with the petty rumors and lets stick to facts here. Just because the Glazers arent throwing money around like idiots to all these old overpriced free agents doesnt mean there being cheap... again I dont know how many times I have to say this... WE ARE REBUILDING FROM SCRATCH... when you have a below average team, in terms of talent, (like we have) and are in a rebuilding mode you just dont throw money around to old players who wont be here when the time comes when were ready to compete annually. Its just stupid. And as far as the money goes. You pay for your seats... thats it.. nothing more nothing less. Just because you pay for your seats doesnt mean you have any say in what the Owners do with the team... I agree you would hope that they do everything they can to win. Which I think is exactly what they are doing... just because you dont see behind the scenes doesnt mean nothing is going on. If all you people would just be patient, get off of this BS crap about the Glazers not caring about the team, (and get your heads out of Grudens Ass) and give them a chance to actually do something then maybe you might change your mind.
2:22am, March 9, 2010
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