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    NFL Network's Adam Shefter reports that five teams are suitors for Dolphins disenfranchised DE Jason Taylor.
    The Saints, Eagles, Bucs, Cowboys, and Chargers have all shown a "varying degree of interest" in Taylor. The Cowboys are especially intriguing because they have an extra third rounder and fourth rounder from previous trades, and you can never rule out Jerry Jones. The June 6 mandatory minicamp date is expected to be the pressure point for a deal to go down.

    Nothing is really happening in the NFL world right now so this is still worth talking about. Of course the Cowboys have the most intriguing offers but it doesn't mean they will pull the trigger. It's still possible we end up with Taylor. I'm thinking a pick and maybe a couple players. Possibly even why we resigned Stevens and how we are getting rid of Simms

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    I think the Bucs need to make this move. I'd give up a 4th rounder in '09 and a 3rd rounder in '10 for Taylor's services. By the time 2010 rolls around we'd already have plenty of time to have made sure we've replaced the spent 3rd rounder with something equally as valuable.

    I don't wanna see JT in the South or the NFC for that matter.

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    Would take him in a heartbeat..... for a 3rd.

    Pat Kirwin brought up an interesting scenario last week. He said teams can't agree on compensation because of the uncertainty as to how long he'll play. He proposed that a team give up a 4th or possibly a 3rd for every year that Taylor plays..... as opposed to the 1st that the Tuna is seeking.

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    People complain about the Bucs FO opting for a quick fix rather than a long term option and you got people clamoring for JT?

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    I wouldn't mind giving up a 3rd and then a 4th for the next two years after he plays them and then stick Simms and possibly a TE in there too.

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    People complain about the Bucs FO opting for a quick fix rather than a long term option and you got people clamoring for JT?

    Well 2 -3 years is long for someone who is a pro bowler and not too long ago won DPoY (at his age)
    And in turn he can mentor Gaines, turning him into an even better long term DE

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    the thought of him and Gaines coming off the edge intrigues the hell outta me...... the guy makes plays, period. But he can't have #99.

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    1. No he can't have 99...he can have 92
    2. He will be a Pass Rushing specialist that likely won't play a lick in obvious running situations
    3. People complaining about the Bucs opting for quick fix's haven't a clue about NFL Football, this guy will make our team better and that makes this a "no-brainer".


    Go get 'em Bruce!

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    the thought of him and Gaines coming off the edge intrigues the hell outta me...... the guy makes plays, period. But he can't have #99.

    I agree 100% Hate.

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    What happened to the Jaguars? I thought they were the ones hotly pursuing Taylor in the offseason. Don't count out the Saints because of Grant's looming legal troubles.

    "They were called paper champions. Well when you pick up tomorrow's paper, it'll say they're champions." Chris Berman after Super Bowl XXXVII

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    What happened to the Jaguars? I thought they were the ones hotly pursuing Taylor in the offseason. Don't count out the Saints because of Grant's looming legal troubles.


    they drafted 2 DE's

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    What happened to the Jaguars? I thought they were the ones hotly pursuing Taylor in the offseason. Don't count out the Saints because of Grant's looming legal troubles.


    they drafted 2 DE's


    With thier first two picks.

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    I really can't get behind trading a premium pick on a patch.  Especially given our current DE's.  JT would most likely be an upgrade over White or Adams at this point, but how much of one?  Both of those guys have a legit shot at hitting 10+ sacks, so we'd be trading a 3rd (or 4th) for an extra 2-3 sacks a year for 2years.  I could see dropping that kind of pick for an area where it would be a major upgrade, but not to make something go from "good" to "kinda very good".  Another DE isn't where we need the pressure anyway.  While it'd be nice to have, we still need the inside push a lot more.

    Put it into player value -- that's trading Tanard for Taylor.

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    the thought of him and Gaines coming off the edge intrigues the hell outta me...... the guy makes plays, period. But he can't have #99.




    me 2 that would be just sick.



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    I really can't get behind trading a premium pick on a patch. Especially given our current DE's. JT would most likely be an upgrade over White or Adams at this point, but how much of one? Both of those guys have a legit shot at hitting 10+ sacks, so we'd be trading a 3rd (or 4th) for an extra 2-3 sacks a year for 2years. I could see dropping that kind of pick for an area where it would be a major upgrade, but not to make something go from "good" to "kinda very good". Another DE isn't where we need the pressure anyway. While it'd be nice to have, we still need the inside push a lot more.

    Put it into player value -- that's trading Tanard for Taylor.


    C'mon Doc, getting T-Jack talent at 4 is not the norm.

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    People complain about the Bucs FO opting for a quick fix rather than a long term option and you got people clamoring for JT?

    Well 2 -3 years is long for someone who is a pro bowler and not too long ago won DPoY (at his age)
    And in turn he can mentor Gaines, turning him into an even better long term DE
    We're not 1 player away from the Super Bowl though, we need to keep building and keep these picks unless you trade them for someone younger than JT.

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    I really can't get behind trading a premium pick on a patch. Especially given our current DE's. JT would most likely be an upgrade over White or Adams at this point, but how much of one? Both of those guys have a legit shot at hitting 10+ sacks, so we'd be trading a 3rd (or 4th) for an extra 2-3 sacks a year for 2years. I could see dropping that kind of pick for an area where it would be a major upgrade, but not to make something go from "good" to "kinda very good". Another DE isn't where we need the pressure anyway. While it'd be nice to have, we still need the inside push a lot more.

    Put it into player value -- that's trading Tanard for Taylor.

    I don't see it as upgrading over Adams or White, but upgrading Carter, P-Chuk, etc.  With Adams, White, and Taylor you have a rotation that always has 2 fresh top-notch pass rushers available on every play.

                                                   

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    I really can't get behind trading a premium pick on a patch. Especially given our current DE's. JT would most likely be an upgrade over White or Adams at this point, but how much of one? Both of those guys have a legit shot at hitting 10+ sacks, so we'd be trading a 3rd (or 4th) for an extra 2-3 sacks a year for 2years. I could see dropping that kind of pick for an area where it would be a major upgrade, but not to make something go from "good" to "kinda very good". Another DE isn't where we need the pressure anyway. While it'd be nice to have, we still need the inside push a lot more.

    Put it into player value -- that's trading Tanard for Taylor.

    I don't see it as upgrading over Adams or White, but upgrading Carter, P-Chuk, etc.  With Adams, White, and Taylor you have a rotation that always has 2 fresh top-notch pass rushers available on every play.

    That's really overkill.  You don't need a "top-notch pass rusher" to stop the run.  Rotation is nice, but not necessary.  How many HOF ends played almost every snap?  It's one thing to give a guy a breather, but there really aren't all that many snaps in a game.  Is it really worth that pick to have a guy that will occasionally rotate in?  It's a cost/benefit thing.  The benefit isn't worth the cost.  If we got 3 years of high level out of him maybe it would, but that's a sucker's bet.  The guy is already talking about retirement.  Maybe he can play handball with Jake after we sign him...


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    Taylor has sick talent and is off the charts good....we could have Douglas play tackle and have a rotation of Adams, White and Taylor at DE with who ever wins the 4th de...this guy could definitely make our dee scary good....super bowl good....who ever thinks we wouldn't have a grat shot adding him to the team must always have their glass half empty.
                   If we can draft Jackson with our 2nd rd pick i'm sure we can make a nice package for a proven pro baller....next years 2nd and 2010 our 3rd and throw in Simms,Nece,Troupe and Davis...those players aren't going to play here anyway and I  don't wan't to hear any crap about those picks either...if everybodys happy with a guy like Dexter Jackson then a pro bowl DE  that will take us to the SB SHOULDN'T BE ANY PROBLEM....if you want something you have to give more then the next team to get what you want.
          Yes hes 34 but in fantastic shape...and if he just made it thru next year and got us to the SB he would be well worth it....the shape hes in he could easily play top notch the next 3 years.

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    the thought of him and Gaines coming off the edge intrigues the hell outta me...... the guy makes plays, period. But he can't have #99.

    Sooooooo is it safe to say you're on the Gaines bandwagon now...LOL Wink


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    I really can't get behind trading a premium pick on a patch. Especially given our current DE's. JT would most likely be an upgrade over White or Adams at this point, but how much of one? Both of those guys have a legit shot at hitting 10+ sacks, so we'd be trading a 3rd (or 4th) for an extra 2-3 sacks a year for 2years. I could see dropping that kind of pick for an area where it would be a major upgrade, but not to make something go from "good" to "kinda very good". Another DE isn't where we need the pressure anyway. While it'd be nice to have, we still need the inside push a lot more.

    Put it into player value -- that's trading Tanard for Taylor.

    It's funny you put so much faith in White and yet you casually write off Graham, who is a very similar situation.  He's a nobody for years, gets an opportunity and performs at a high level.  Yet you expect White to start and exceed his performance last year, but don't even want Graham to have the chance.

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    I really can't get behind trading a premium pick on a patch. Especially given our current DE's. JT would most likely be an upgrade over White or Adams at this point, but how much of one? Both of those guys have a legit shot at hitting 10+ sacks, so we'd be trading a 3rd (or 4th) for an extra 2-3 sacks a year for 2years. I could see dropping that kind of pick for an area where it would be a major upgrade, but not to make something go from "good" to "kinda very good". Another DE isn't where we need the pressure anyway. While it'd be nice to have, we still need the inside push a lot more.

    Put it into player value -- that's trading Tanard for Taylor.

    It's funny you put so much faith in White and yet you casually write off Graham, who is a very similar situation.  He's a nobody for years, gets an opportunity and performs at a high level.  Yet you expect White to start and exceed his performance last year, but don't even want Graham to have the chance.

    White played the whole season...you know all 16.  He played well and at a high level getting better with each game.  People say Graham was not hurt when he missed the last game, well for all the rest he was a no show in the playoff game as well.  So not only is Graham unproven, when he had the opportunity to step up he didn't.  Without Galloway we tried to go to EG but he didn't break any tackles of the Giants...Oh I'm sorry this is where you blame the oline right?  Take the credit away from them when Graham did well but place all the blame when he didn't?  Not accusing just asking the question...


    You done good Dom...

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    I thought Jason Taylor had a couple of bad  as in very bad concussions and was thinking of retiring this year.  Now he's feeling better and he's going to be a savior?  I'd like to see a recent physical report on him before I get excited....altho he is a beautiful hunk of manliness!!!!!

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    I really can't get behind trading a premium pick on a patch.

    I prefer to look at it as trading a pick for a proven player vs an unknown.

    The same was said when Chambers was traded for a 2nd last year. Lookin back at it now, which is the better option.... Chambers or Jackson?

    I thought Jason Taylor had a couple of bad as in very bad concussions and was thinking of retiring this year. Now he's feeling better and he's going to be a savior? I'd like to see a recent physical report on him before I get excited....altho he is a beautiful hunk of manliness!!!!!


    You're confusing him for Zach Thomas, his brother in law.

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    I really can't get behind trading a premium pick on a patch. Especially given our current DE's. JT would most likely be an upgrade over White or Adams at this point, but how much of one? Both of those guys have a legit shot at hitting 10+ sacks, so we'd be trading a 3rd (or 4th) for an extra 2-3 sacks a year for 2years. I could see dropping that kind of pick for an area where it would be a major upgrade, but not to make something go from "good" to "kinda very good". Another DE isn't where we need the pressure anyway. While it'd be nice to have, we still need the inside push a lot more.

    Put it into player value -- that's trading Tanard for Taylor.

    It's funny you put so much faith in White and yet you casually write off Graham, who is a very similar situation.  He's a nobody for years, gets an opportunity and performs at a high level.  Yet you expect White to start and exceed his performance last year, but don't even want Graham to have the chance.

    White didn't have 6 guys in front of him doing the heavy lifting.  Graham needs to prove he wasn't just along for the ride.  Sorry you can't see the difference.

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    I really can't get behind trading a premium pick on a patch. Especially given our current DE's. JT would most likely be an upgrade over White or Adams at this point, but how much of one? Both of those guys have a legit shot at hitting 10+ sacks, so we'd be trading a 3rd (or 4th) for an extra 2-3 sacks a year for 2years. I could see dropping that kind of pick for an area where it would be a major upgrade, but not to make something go from "good" to "kinda very good". Another DE isn't where we need the pressure anyway. While it'd be nice to have, we still need the inside push a lot more.

    Put it into player value -- that's trading Tanard for Taylor.

    It's funny you put so much faith in White and yet you casually write off Graham, who is a very similar situation.  He's a nobody for years, gets an opportunity and performs at a high level.  Yet you expect White to start and exceed his performance last year, but don't even want Graham to have the chance.

    And when did I say Graham shouldn't get a chance? 

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    I really can't get behind trading a premium pick on a patch. Especially given our current DE's. JT would most likely be an upgrade over White or Adams at this point, but how much of one? Both of those guys have a legit shot at hitting 10+ sacks, so we'd be trading a 3rd (or 4th) for an extra 2-3 sacks a year for 2years. I could see dropping that kind of pick for an area where it would be a major upgrade, but not to make something go from "good" to "kinda very good". Another DE isn't where we need the pressure anyway. While it'd be nice to have, we still need the inside push a lot more.

    Put it into player value -- that's trading Tanard for Taylor.

    It's funny you put so much faith in White and yet you casually write off Graham, who is a very similar situation. He's a nobody for years, gets an opportunity and performs at a high level. Yet you expect White to start and exceed his performance last year, but don't even want Graham to have the chance.

    White played the whole season...you know all 16. He played well and at a high level getting better with each game. People say Graham was not hurt when he missed the last game, well for all the rest he was a no show in the playoff game as well. So not only is Graham unproven, when he had the opportunity to step up he didn't. Without Galloway we tried to go to EG but he didn't break any tackles of the Giants...Oh I'm sorry this is where you blame the oline right? Take the credit away from them when Graham did well but place all the blame when he didn't? Not accusing just asking the question...

    White didn't start 16 games, neither did Graham.  Although I would have loved to have seen him get the opportunity.  Like Graham, he produced when given the opportunity.  As for the playoff game, Graham produced when given the opportunity.  You can't blame him for pass-whacky playcalling to close the game.  As for White, what were his stats in the playoff game?  Here's his stat line:
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    But White played in them all and as Doc said had no help.  He was one on one or two when doubled.  EG had help on every play he ran...it wasn't all him by himself.  You don't hear the olinemen asking for a new cut because they blocked for him do you?


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    But White played in them all and as Doc said had no help. He was one on one or two when doubled. EG had help on every play he ran...it wasn't all him by himself. You don't hear the olinemen asking for a new cut because they blocked for him do you?

    So White played DL by himself?  I thought we had 4 guys out there.  He didn't have the top-rated secondary helping create coverage sacks?

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    But White played in them all and as Doc said had no help. He was one on one or two when doubled. EG had help on every play he ran...it wasn't all him by himself. You don't hear the olinemen asking for a new cut because they blocked for him do you?

    So White played DL by himself? I thought we had 4 guys out there. He didn't have the top-rated secondary helping create coverage sacks?

    By comparrison, the help White got was not as directly tied into the Help Graham got.  Now we are really splitting hairs and this isn't even what the arguement is about.  Really it isn't.

    This is all about Drew Rosenhaus getting some money from EG this year as his new agent.  Only way he does that is tho tear up the booty contract EG negotiated and signed himself.  And for them to be asking for more than 1.5 million is sitting at the table with Bruce with a ski mask on.  It's highway robbery for what he did last year. 


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    But White played in them all and as Doc said had no help. He was one on one or two when doubled. EG had help on every play he ran...it wasn't all him by himself. You don't hear the olinemen asking for a new cut because they blocked for him do you?

    So White played DL by himself?  I thought we had 4 guys out there.  He didn't have the top-rated secondary helping create coverage sacks?

    Now you're just being intentionally dense and you know it. 

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    The notions that White did everything without help and Graham only succeeded because of his line are both faulty.

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    EG had help on every play he ran...it wasn't all him by himself. You don't hear the olinemen asking for a new cut because they blocked for him do you?

    Couldn't the same be said for every rb in the league? C'mon man  Wink Wink Wink

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    Adam Schefter just reported on the NFL website that the Bucs, Saints, Eagles, and Cowboys are interested in trading for Jason Taylor. He also said the Cowboys would be most likely to complete the trade since Bill Parcells is very familiar with the Cowboys players.

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    People complain about the Bucs FO opting for a quick fix rather than a long term option and you got people clamoring for JT?

    Bingo! I agree with that statment except for one tiny detail. The guy could still play for 2-3yrs, given his history. Personally, I think we would be downright evil on D side with JT on board. Regardless, if we get him it's a win...if we don't..... we still win lol. But you are right, there are too many people talking about oldies, rather than "create" a long term solution.

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    well of the 5 teams interested, I think we can eliminate some teams or atleast figure out their amount of interest.

    The Saints are having some trouble with their dynamic duo at defensive end with Will Smith's contract issues and Grant's legal issues.  I dont think bringing in another guy that will warrant millions will help their cause.  Just use that money to resign Will Smith.  Also, Grant is innocent until proven guilty.  I highly doubt the Saints go after him.

    The Bucs seem like a good destination since they are in florida, so it wouldnt be much of a move.  However, the Bucs have millions upon millions tied up in Gaines Adams.  They also just signed Marques Douglas to a 4 year deal.  Of course, Jason Taylor would improve their pass rush beyond believe, but don't get your hopes up Buc Fans....who haven't we been reported to be interested in?  I mean just this off-season alone, you heard the likes of Roy Williams and Chad Johnson, Lance Briggs, Lito Sheppard, and Jared Allen to name a few.  Taylor would be a good fit, but I dont think the Bucs will make a serious push, offering like a 4th or 5th round pick.


    The Eagles have some good DEs already in Cole, Abariami(maybe), Darren Howard, etc.  However, adding Taylor could be a huge addition and with Lito hanging on the block, they just might able to swing a deal for Taylor.  The Chargers would also be sick with Taylor, as would Dallas.

    it's really hard to tell.  The Bucs, Saints, Cowboys, and Eagles have been rumored to be interested in everyone and their mothers this off-season.  So expect Chargers to make a splash...

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    I agree with Caradoc about not giving up a premium pick for JT.

    I would like to have him, and would be willing to give up a 4th round pick...but nothing more...including a 4th one year and a 3rd or 4th the next.  No way for me thank you.

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    Is JT about to announce that this will be his last year in the NFL?

    http://rotoworld.com/content/playernews.aspx?sport=NFL

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    Jason Taylor is expected to formally demand a trade from the Dolphins at an 11:30AM ET press conference on Sunday.

    The Dolphins already know about this from Taylor's agent, but it'll come directly from the six-time Pro Bowler's mouth on Sunday. According to the Miami Herald, Taylor will announce he wants to play for a contender and that 2008 will be his final season in the NFL. Taylor will also say he's skipping next week's mandatory minicamp, which will cost him $8,638 in daily fines.
    Source: Miami Herald 

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         More details. They are saying the Dolphins have known about this since last year, before Parcells. Now it's in Parcells' court.

    http://www.miamiherald.com/614/story/553676.html

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    Sounds like an impasse.  Tuna will want at least a 3rd for a Probowl DE, but no one will give up nearly that much for a 1 year only player.

                                                   

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