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January 15, 2012 @ 1:41 pm
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PR REACTS: Is Tampa Bay Even Attractive to Potential Coaches?

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Is his Sunday column Times columnist Gary Shelton wrote about the the Buccaneers inability to attract potential coaching candidates. In this PR Reacts story, Mark Cook gives his take on a perceived lack of commitment by the organization that Shelton brought up as a possible hurdle.

Sunday morning Tampa Bay Times columnist Gary Shelton wrote a column about how coaches like Jeff Fisher and Wade Phillips declined to interview with the Buccaneers. Does that reflect on ownership? Are the Buccaneers even an attractive destination for potential head coaches?

Below is a sample of Shelton’s column.

Source: Gary Shelton Tampa Bay Times
Over the last week, we have learned a great deal about the Bucs, mainly that a lot of people don't think working for them sounds like a great deal. That's a little unsettling. You keep waiting for the Bucs to say no to coaches such as Phillips, and for crying out loud, he's saying no first. Frankly, if any of the 32 NFL teams want to interview Phillips, he should show up 15 minutes early and he should bring pizza.

Most of all, however, we have learned the Bucs job, despite a talented young quarterback and a promising defensive line, might not sound quite as attractive as some might have you believe. Just asking here, but could it be that some coaches don't see the stability or the track record of spending that helps make winning possible? Why else?


PR Reacts: Shelton brings up some valid points. What does it say about an organization that can’t attract free agent coaching candidates? But is that actually the truth?



First, we aren’t even sure the Buccaneers contacted Fisher. I would imagine some feelers did go out and chances are the Buccaneers at least spoke to Fisher's agent, but maybe it was Tampa Bay that decided Fisher wasn’t a good fit. Some reports are saying Fisher’s price tag was in the $6 million range. Perhaps Tampa Bay saw his six playoff appearances in 17 seasons as a draw back. The facts of the Fisher situation may never come out but for the most part Buccaneers fans aren’t losing their minds about not interviewing the great mustachioed one. 



The Wade Phillips situation is a little more interesting. Phillips claimed he was contacted by the Buccaneers two weeks ago (that puts it before Morris was fired) and seemed interested and a bit intrigued by the possibility of becoming an NFL head coach again. But late Thursday night Phillips took his name out of consideration and politely declined to interview.

I’m not sure I believe Phillips decided he was too good to come to Tampa, or that he thought he that the ownership and the organization’s reputation had anything to do with it. Phillips more than likely looked at the other candidates and realized he didn’t stack up as well as say Marty Schottenheimer. Maybe the Buccaneers were talking to him about joining the team as something other than head coach. Or maybe the criticism he immediately began to receive by Houston fans for even scheduling an interview in the face of the biggest game in franchise history played a part.

Phillips track record as a head coach won’t turn many heads and the fact that it appears the Buccaneers are bent on bringing in a disciplinarian; Phillips just wasn’t a good fit.

The Buccaneers probably do have a perceived reputation around the league as a penny-pinching organization, at least over the last three seasons. Tampa Bay no doubt will not only be doing the interviewing, but some candidates will also be interviewing the Buccaneers. In this case the old adage is true, perception can become reality. The only way the Glazers and the Buccaneers organization can change the perception – or reality – is by convincing the potential candidates they are willing to open their checkbook then following through with it.


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    2004 did not bring us top flight free agents who bombed. It brought us free agents who were at the end of their careers and should have never even been considered. When this team decides it wants to compete on the free agency market you will know because they will sign a top Linebacker and Ofensive lineman.
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    Please find the next Tony Dungy!
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    I agree mjmoody. For me, its about who you spend the money on that matters the most. Redskins are always used as a poster child for bad free agency moves and overspending, but if you look at the players they get its more in the name than in the substance. Texans turned around their team with good drafts for their key players (Mario Williams, Andre Johnson, Brian Cushing, JJ Watt) and selective Free Agents (Arian Foster, Jonathan Joesph and Daniel Manning) and trades (Matt Schaub) to build a complete team. We are drafting players in key positions were the jury is still out on most of them, but we are failing in supporting those cornerstones with veteran talent that adds depth and leadership that clearly is needed on this team. To say Free Agency is a waste of time is moronic. Of course a coaching staff that can create a successful scheme and game plan each week to take advantage of the talent we have is critical in the overall formula of consistent winning.
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    PR, I think you got this wrong. They don't have to convince anyone that they aren't cheap. There's numerous high priced coaches that were brought into teams with a signed blank check and still failed. Good Coaching makes players better, not the other way around.
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    I'm over the whole excuse that others jump on "Can't just throw money at free agents". No, you can't be stupid with your money, but you have to at least take some chances. There is no guarantee on anything in the NFL. As we've also seen with our draft picks. If you as a franchise are not spending to the cap every year then in my mind you are not taking advantage of the rules that are set up. Yes, you might miss on a player or two, but you are definitely going to miss if you don't spend any money at all. Heck, we missed with signing our own guys this past year... Black, Trueblood! No more excuses. Either try to be a successful franchise or don't.
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    The Bucs weren't viewed as one of the premier organizations in the NFL when they hired Dungy. Dungy had an opportunity to be a HC and create a winning culture in Tampa. There are only 32 HC jobs in one of the most popular sports leagues in the world. I don't totally buy in to the idea that Fisher or Phillips wouldn't interview for the job because of recent spending history. It doesn't appear the Glazers were interested in Fisher in the first place. Phillips didn't appear to be a true candidate either. The coaching hire should be someone who can see the opportunity.
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    Certainly Haynesworth is the poster boy for not signing top tier FA's and there are others. But I feel that I was very wrong in thinking Brandon Marshall was not a quality pick up. He stepped up nicely in the later part of the season for the Dolphins. The Texans made a huge jump in the secondary with the addition of Pro-Bowl selection Johnathan Joseph & Danieal Manning last season and their signing was after Talib did his off-season thing. With the Ruud awakening the LB corps had this season, I can only think it's a good idea to put some experienced FA's in there to compliment Foster, Hayward, and Watson--not another rookie. Throwing $$ wildly at a situation is not the answer. But using $$ is part of building a cohesive team in today's NFL. And not just when you're standing on the precipice of a Superbowl appearance--but at the beginning as a solid foundation.
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    Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me. Team is not worth watching until we get new owners. And all the "bust" free agents named in earlier strings are still better then the personel we have now. Go Rays! At least they are upfront about being cheap.
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    I agree with scubog.
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    Some of you people crack me up with your thirst for signing a few free agents that somehow, in spite of it rarely being successful here and elsewhere, see it as the mark of a good ownership simply because they wrote a check to the wrong person who did little to help the team win. A few years ago you all would have been jumping for joy had Dominik been successful in luring DT Haynesworth here for $100,000,000.00. How'd that work out? Last year it was CB Asomugha who had a whopping 3 interceptions for the still mediocre Eagles in spite of their free agent haul. I agree that signing a few select free agents can improve a team and may even put an already blossoming team over the top; but with any of those high-priced players we still weren't going to the play-offs with that Morris designed defense. I disagree with Shelton's assessment that coaches don't want to come here because of the "cheap" owners not willing to buy him the most expensive players a la Dan Spender. Shouldn't a great coach be able to get the best out of what he has? Heck, even a coach like Jim Caldwell can succeed with Peyton Manning at QB. A great coach like Dick Vermiel takes a bag boy and makes him a Hall of Fame candidate. I want a coach who is able to take what we have and get the most of of them and be savvy enough to bring in a few choice free agents to fill in the gaps. We have a lot of gaps.
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    Scubog - But when you tie "Cheap" into the Buccaneers situation... 7 years of spending less than any other franchise... then it is a problem. You are right that Snyder is crazy stupid with his money, but I'd rather have an owner that is at least trying to win than an owner that is trying to get by. In a perfect world we'll get one that is middle of the road, but don't give any credence to the owners or the front office with their cheap ways. We aren't going to be a successful franchise when we are $50 million under the cap every year. Talent wins championships. Coaches mold it.
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    scubog, I agree; Parcel's and Bellacheck (misspelled) ar good example of that.
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    When does Free Agency start ? we can get a good idea of what to expect this year from how Tampa reacts to the opening of Free Agency. If they become aggressive at the beginning like the old days, who knows ? If they sit on their thumbs it may be another disappointing year.
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    IN fact, it was probably the 2004 season's FA class that killed Free aGency for the glazers. It bombed. They tried to relive the 2002 FA spurt, but this time the players didn't pan out. Stussie, Stinchcomb, Deese, Tim Brown, Charlie Gardner, the Bucs went out and got a boat load of top FAs, they all bombed, and thats probably why the Bucs are still gun-shy about doing it. They even brought in free agents in 2007 and 2008 Its only been three years the Bucs have shied away from Free Agents.
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    bucstop.com - 2007 and 2008 were low-end freeagents. We were still spending less than EVERYONE else.
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    "The Buccaneers probably do have a perceived reputation around the league as a penny-pinching organization, at least over the last three seasons." Try the last 8 seasons. I recall there being a usatoday or espn article a few years ago naming the Bucs the lowest spending (read: cheapest) organization since 2004. I don't believe that has changed in the past two years, and whattya know? Coaches aren't lining up to coach here?! Go figure! You wonder if Dominik got the green light to go after Darren Sproles and Carlos Rogers whether Raheem would even be studying the DC transit system right now...Nah, let's just sign a punter!
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    shelton wrote a weak article today. too many unfunny jokes about Marty S. being too old. way to go for the "low hanging fruit". is there an original thought left in the local media?
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    I believe that the Glazers recent handling of this franchise have lessened the serious of this franchise but league-wide and nationwide. I am ashamed to say it but we have reverted back to the Yucks in the eyes of the average fan view. No one is looking for us nor do they care about any transactions, acquisitions, and departures. The sad part about this scenario is the Bucs team has some cool personalities and could really be a likeable team but some of the negative attention and losing has totally dejected the interest of people as a whole. Sad but true.
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    These owners are a joke. They have not shown any interest in winning at all. If this was Man U that had a garbage season, the owners would do anything in their power to change it around. I know bc I watch soccer and Man U is one of my favourite teams. These owners don't give a crap about winning the way teams like Philly, GB, New York Giants, NE etc, or else they would spend the money. They try and make a point by saying if you play well we will reward you which is great, but realistically thats what should happen or else another team will reward the player. I can't wait for the day new owners arrive in TB and hopefully it will be someone who cares about having a team that can compete.
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    I'm pretty sure the coaches are questioning the organization commentment to win.The Bucs haven't shown anybody that they really want to put the best players on the field.
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    I'm sorry but I don't believe for a second the bucs contacted Phillips 2 weeks ago, when a week ago he was complaining to the media that he thinks he deserves a shot at being a head coach because his resume' blah blah blah. His two stories don't add up to me. If you knew you were contacted why would you complain to the media?
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    I thought Shelton's article this morning was very weak and not much evidence to find the owners guilty. I'm glad they haven't made their decision yet because I am thinking that they are looking at a couple DC's/ OC's with experience for the HC position. There really is no hurry at this moment; they could wait until after the Superbowl.
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    This seems to me to be the type of story one writes to keep one's sources at One Buc receptive to picking up one's phone calls. Not much here.
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    Let's see: We gotta QB with a strong arm, and who is pretty quick on his feet, we got at least three above average WR's. we got a pretty good running back and we have two 1st round picks on DL and two 2nd round picks. We also have at least two very talented DB'S. Plus we have a # 5 pick in the draft and we have owners who are not power hungry owners who want to be involved in the draft, or player decisions. Add to that you get to live in Tampa with the good weather and not pay state income taxes. Hmmmm. What are the negatives ? Oh yeah they have a rep for being cheap. I think they know after the last 5 yrs things are going to have to change if they want to keep the team or ever sell out the stadium any time soon. My guess is that any potential coach is going to be walking into a very very good situation. A good Defensive Coach has a lot to be optimistic about with the DL. Add to it Foster, Talib, Barber if he plays another year, and Tanard Jackson. And with the 5th pick likely will be able to choose another premium Defensive player or possibly an outstanding RB or WR.
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    I agree with everything you say except Talib. Whether he's given a warning or not, Talib is as good as gone within one year of new coach coming in.
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    Let's get Zimmer!! Give him DQ Bowers, McCoy, Clayborn draft Burfict with are second pick. Sign Redskin free agent LaRon Landry and we will go back to our Glory days when our Defense was "FEARED" by Teams all around the league. We can pick up a 2 veterans LB's until Burfict is ready to DRESTROY Opponents. We HAVE TO ADD SPEED at the RB, WR position. We lack major play making ability or have anyone that Teams fear and have to game plan. I'm just hoping they hire a coach before the Shriners and Senior Bowl. I think is key they go to those games if we want to have a good draft. It's sure going to be a very interesting Offseason! With the cap room we have, the high picks and good free agents available, we can go from SUCKANEERS back to BUCCANEERS !!
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    Wade Phillips is better served as a DC not a HC. History has proven that. He's also not a disciplinarian which this young Bucs teams sorely needs.
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    Ha! Good point. I don't personally think so but the point is only the Glazers can change the perception if in fact is has been an issue in conversation with potential coaches
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    Seems to me that was a longwinded way of saying you don't know :)
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