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January 11, 2013 @ 3:37 pm
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SR's Fab 5 - 1-11

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Why will it be so difficult to find a challenger for Bucs QB Josh Freeman this offseason? Why was DBs coach Ron Cooper released? Will Tampa Bay defensive coordinator Bill Sheridan be next on the chopping block? Get the answers, plus inside scoop on DE Daniel Te'o-Nesheim, FS Ronde Barber and more in this edition of SR's Fab 5.
SR's Fab 5 appears every Friday on PewterReport.com and is a collection of inside scoop, analysis and insight from yours truly, Pewter Report publisher and Bucs beat writer Scott Reynolds. Here are a few things that caught my attention this week at One Buc Place:

FAB 1. You’re general manager Mark Dominik or head coach Greg Schiano and you want competition for Josh Freeman. We’re not talking about another Dan Orlovsky. We’re talking about someone better than Orlovsky. We’re talking about a legitimate challenger for Freeman that has the ability to start and win games in the NFL.

Good luck.

That player is a lot harder to find than you or the Buccaneers might think. Pewter Report’s Mark Cook listed some of the quarterbacks that are scheduled to be free agents in March and some that might become available later in the spring after the 2013 NFL Draft. Did any of those names outside of Joe Flacco, who won’t be leaving Baltimore anytime soon, excite you?

Bucs fans – and even the team – can play fantasy football and wish the right quarterback onto the roster, but free agency is always a two-way street. The real question that needs to be asked is what quarterback would want to come to Tampa Bay to challenge Freeman?

Think about it.

Freeman has been the Buccaneers’ starting quarterback for the past four years.

He was the team’s first-round pick in 2009.

Tampa Bay will have over $36 million invested in the Kansas State product by the time his contract expires after the 2013 season.

The 6-foot-5, 230-pounder has the support of the Buccaneers locker room and has already established a rapport with Vincent Jackson, Mike Williams and the rest of Tampa Bay’s receivers.

Freeman just became the first quarterback in franchise history to throw for 4,000 yards and 27 touchdowns in a season during the 2012 campaign, as well as Tampa Bay’s career touchdown passer.

Does that seem like an ideal situation for any quarterback to come in and claim a starting job? Would you be enticed by that if you were a free agent QB?

Getting legitimate competition for Freeman is going to be tough – real tough. The reality is that it probably isn’t going to happen in 2013, which is a make-it-or-break-it year for Freeman in regards to whether or not he will be the franchise quarterback going forward.

Free agency won’t offer up the ideal candidate to come in and compete, and it’s doubtful the Bucs could trade for a starting-caliber quarterback. Forget the likes of Michael Vick or Kirk Cousins. Vick would not be a good fit and the Redskins aren’t parting ways with Cousins now that Robert Griffin III is going to be sidelined for at least eight months after reconstructive knee surgery.

Freeman’s competition will likely come in the form of a draft pick, but this year’s quarterback class is weak, especially with Georgia’s Aaron Murray and Clemson’s Tajh Body returning to school for their senior seasons. To date, only one underclassmen quarterback has entered the 2013 NFL Draft, and that’s Tennessee’s Tyler Bray, an average prospect that is projected to be a second-round pick.

Armed with its own seven draft picks, in addition to New England’s fourth-round pick from the Aqib Talib trade, the Bucs have to address the cornerback position at least once in the first three rounds. Will it want to spend a premium pick on a quarterback with pressing needs in the defensive backfield, in addition to finding a pass rusher and another offensive tackle and a tight end?

It’s doubtful the Bucs will want to spend anything more than a fourth-rounder on a quarterback for another reason other than more pressing needs on defense. There’s a chance that Freeman could be offended if the team were to invest a second- or third-round pick on another signal caller.

History shows that a quarterback drafted that high – if talented – eventually usurps the incumbent starter. That happened in Tampa Bay in 1999 when the team drafted Shaun King in the second round. Trent Dilfer, a first-round pick in 1993, was history a year later.

This year, Collin Kaepernick, a second-round pick in 2011, has unseated Alex Smith, a former first-rounder, in division-winning San Francisco. And rookie Russell Wilson, a third-round pick in 2012, has put Matt Flynn, Seattle’s high-priced free agent acquisition, on the bench while leading the Seahawks into the playoffs.

If Freeman excels in 2013 and earns a new contract extension, the last thing he would want is to be constantly looking over his shoulder at a highly-drafted quarterback. That could hamper contract talks. For that reason, as well as the fact that Tampa Bay has more pressing needs on defense, the Bucs would be wise not to draft a QB prior to the fourth round.

The problem is that quarterbacks usually rise in the first half of the draft and fall in the second half of the draft. There aren’t many quality mid-round quarterbacks available right now.

West Virginia’s Geno Smith and USC’s Matt Barkley are projected to be first-rounders, and Arkansas’ Tyler Wilson will likely end up there with a good offseason of testing.

Syracuse’s Ryan Nassib, Bray and North Carolina State’s Mike Glennon seem destined for the second round. Look for Nassib to wind up in Buffalo where he will be targeted by former Syracuse head coach Doug Marrone, who was just hired as the Bills head coach. Miami (Ohio)’s Zac Dysert, Oklahoma’s Landry Jones and Florida State’s E.J. Manuel are likely third-round picks.

When the Bucs should start looking at quarterbacks, in the fourth round, the pickings get slim. Louisiana Tech’s Colby Cameron is intriguing, and Arizona’s Matt Scott will be available. Southern Utah’s Brad Sorensen figures to be a fifth-round pick.


After that, Vanderbilt’s Jordan Rodgers, Baylor’s Nick Florence, Kansas State’s Collin Klein, Penn State’ Matt McGloin, Texas Tech’s Seth Doege and Duke’s Sean Renfree are likely destined to be seventh-round picks – and all have issues with size, mechanics or arm strength. Klein is a poor man's Tim Tebow and will probably have to switch positions and play tight end or wide receiver.

The backup quarterback is always the most popular player on the team when the starter is struggling or not playing at a Pro Bowl level, so finding Freeman’s backup in the draft will be tricky. Getting a player in the middle-to-late rounds that has the ability to legitimately push Freeman to greatness or push him to the bench will prove to be much easier said than done.

FAB 2. Sources tell Pewter Report that one of the reasons why the Bucs felt compelled to let defensive backs coach Ron Cooper out of his contract to accept the same position at USF was that he was simply overrated as a coach. Cooper received a lot of credit for the on-field success of star LSU players, such as cornerbacks Patrick Peterson and Morris Claiborne, in addition to Heisman candidate Tyrann Mathieu and safety Eric Reid, who has the potential to be a first-round safety in this year’s draft.

But in reality, those players possessed top-shelf athleticism and were going to be stars regardless of who was coaching them. That’s not to belittle Cooper or take away from his part in their success, but it appears as if he didn’t play as big of a role in developing those players as once thought and that he’s not the defensive backs guru Tampa Bay envisioned when it hired him last winter.

Cooper wasn’t a very effective communicator and that hurt his teaching ability. He didn’t have a dominant personality capable of leading men that is often a trait seen in coaches, especially at the NFL level.

The guess here is that Cooper’s departure aids in Ronde Barber’s possible return to the Buccaneers for another season, too. Barber has had several great defensive backs coaches in his illustrious career in Tampa Bay, including Herman Edwards, Mike Tomlin, Raheem Morris and Jimmy Lake. Is it safe to say that Cooper didn’t measure up? Probably.

Look for Jeff Hafley, who came with Greg Schiano from Rutgers and serves as Tampa Bay’s assistant secondary coach, to get a shot at replacing Cooper as the team’s defensive backs coach. Hafley, who would coach the safeties while Cooper taught the cornerbacks in practice, would likely get a ringing endorsement from Barber as the two have formed a good working relationship.

FAB 3. Although defensive backs coach Ron Cooper was let out of his contract – which essentially meant he was fired – to take the same position at the University of South Florida in Tampa, chances are that Bucs defensive coordinator Bill Sheridan won’t be going anywhere.

Sources tell Pewter Report that the team’s league-worst pass defense, which surrendered 4,758 yards – an average of 297.4 yards per game – was a product of three things.

First, it was the inexperience at the cornerback position outside of Aqib Talib, who only played in four games before being suspended for three contests prior to being traded to New England, and Eric Wright, who missed six games due to a four-game suspension and two games due to injuries. E.J. Biggers was the only experienced cornerback on the team down the stretch, but the Bucs played rookie Leonard Johnson and unheralded players Danny Gorrer, Anthony Gaitor and LeQuan Lewis an awful lot over the second half of the season.

The Bucs obviously weren’t thrilled with Cooper’s coaching job otherwise they wouldn’t have let him go. Tampa Bay had a first-round pick invested in safety Mark Barron and could be drafting a cornerback in the first round in 2013. It’s critical that those big investments be coached up right and developed for the future success of the franchise, which is why Cooper was let go.

Second, it was the team’s admitted lack of talent at the cornerback position. Biggers and Gaitor were seventh-round picks. Johnson, Gorrer and Lewis entered the league as undrafted free agents. None of those players showed the talent and physical ability to start in the NFL, and an upgrade is definitely needed this offseason.

Finally, third on the list was play-calling in the team’s eyes – at least at first glance. Bucs head coach Greg Schiano and the front office and coaching staff are going through an intense evaluation process right now, but it appears as if Sheridan, who had admitted to running Schiano’s defense, is going to get a pass for this season. The 2012 season was the first time Schiano and Sheridan worked together and it took some time for each to learn about one another’s methods and ways.

Keep in mind that Tampa Bay’s defense might have played its best game of the season by doing perhaps its least amount of blitzing and playing more Cover 2 zone than in any other game in 2012. That might be helping Sheridan’s cause. Then again, Atlanta, the league’s best team in the NFL, was held under 300 yards of offense and to just 17 points with the likes of Johnson, Gorrer and Gaitor playing cornerback. That might punch a hole in the “inexperience” and “lack of talent” argument.

Regardless of whether Sheridan stays or goes, the Bucs need to upgrade the talent at cornerback and needs to stay away from the overabundance of senseless blitzing that leaves its cornerbacks on an island far too much. Tampa Bay’s effective use of Cover 2 and the success the team had with it in Atlanta should be carried over into the 2013 season – likely with Sheridan at the helm of the defense.

FAB 4. While Buccaneers general manager Mark Dominik deserves some praise for Tampa Bay’s impressive 2012 draft class, which is headlined by strong safety Mark Barron, running back Doug Martin and linebacker Lavonte David, and landing highly sought-after free agents in wide receiver Vincent Jackson and guard Carl Nicks, it is his ability to pluck contributing players from opposing team’s practice squads that is just as impressive.

With general manager Bruce Allen’s blessing, Dominik signed Donald Penn from Minnesota’s practice squad in 2006 and took he over as the team’s starting left tackle in 2007 en route to making the Pro Bowl four years later. Dominik also stole wide receiver Dezmon Briscoe from the Bengals practice squad and he wound up leading the Bucs in touchdown catches with six in 2011.

Dominik’s latest stolen player that has worked out well for Tampa Bay is defensive end Daniel Te’o-Nesheim, who was pilfered from Philadelphia’s practice squad in 2011 after being drafted in the third round by the Eagles in 2010. Te’o-Nesheim was a two-time captain at the University of Washington where he set the school record for sacks with 30, in addition to recording 50.5 tackles for loss, eight forced fumbles and two fumble recoveries.

Te’o-Nesheim had a good training camp and preseason with the Buccaneers and wound up beating out former Rutgers star defensive end George Johnson for the role of third defensive end on the depth chart. When starting right defensive end Adrian Clayborn suddenly was lost for the season with a knee injury during Week 3, Te’o-Nesheim, who had just entered his third NFL season, was pressed into a starting role whether he was ready or not.

“Te’o was dropped into a role and told, ‘You’ve got to do it. Our first-round pick is done, so you’ve got to step in and do it,’” said Bucs defensive tackle Gerald McCoy. “We couldn’t have asked for a better guy as far as being focused on his job and doing what he had to do. It was great to see him play as well as he did.”

Te’o-Nesheim recorded his first NFL sack as a rookie against Dallas playing sparingly for Philadelphia in 2010, and finished third in Tampa Bay in sacks behind Michael Bennett (nine) and McCoy (five) with a career-high four, including one against his former team in the Bucs’ 23-21 loss to the Eagles. He finished with 40 tackles, which was one behind Bennett for the most among defensive linemen, and eight tackles for loss, which was third best among linemen behind Bennett (18) and McCoy (nine) and eight QB hits, which was third on the team behind McCoy (15) and Bennett (13).

“Te’o played real good this season,” Bennett said. “He did a great job. It’s going to be interesting to see what happens and how it’s going to unfold when A.C. gets back and how they deal with all that and how he fits in. Te’o is a great player and he does exactly what the coaches asked him to do.”

Bennett, who led the team with nine sacks in 2012 and is an unrestricted free agent, is talking about how Te’o-Nesheim is slated to become a restricted free agent in 2013. Dominik will have three options when it comes to Te’o-Nesheim. He can tender him a contract that comes with first-round draft compensation, he can tender him a contract that comes with second-round draft compensation, or he can offer Te’o-Nesheim the lowest tender that comes with original round draft compensation, which would be a third-round pick.

Given how much Te’o-Nesheim developed in 2012 and coupled with the fact that the Bucs definitely need a better pass rush and that Clayborn is still recovering from knee surgery, the Bucs can’t afford to lose the 6-foot-3, 263-pound, high-motor player. But that doesn’t rule out Tampa Bay drafting a defensive end to throw in the mix for competition, either – even if Bennett and Te’o-Nesheim are both re-signed.

FAB 5. Here are some things to hold you over until the next edition of SR’s Fab 5:

• Which victory was the sweetest for Tampa Bay in 2012? Was it the Bucs’ 38-10 blowout win over the Chiefs, or was it the thrilling 27-21 overtime victory in Carolina? Which loss stung the most? Was it getting shut out in New Orleans, 41-0? Or was it the heartbreaking 23-21 defeat on the last play of the game against Philadelphia?

“Every loss – all nine of them stung,” Bucs defensive tackle Gerald McCoy said. “We didn’t want them and we definitely didn’t go into a game expecting them. Coach Schiano told us the other day that the hardest thing to do in professional sports is to win a professional football game. Everything we went through this offseason and all the stuff we went through and the turmoil – we definitely expected more than seven, but to get the wins we got was amazing. All the losses stung and every win was amazing.”

• It’s interesting how some Buccaneers fans don’t care how the team finishes once they are disqualified from the playoffs. There is a segment of fans that actually believes each victory after missing out on the postseason is worthless as all it does is cost Tampa Bay a higher draft pick. While rooting against the team isn’t ideal, those fans are actually right – although I don’t condone that line of fandom.

The more losses a team has the higher the draft pick. Tampa Bay finished with a 7-9 record in addition to four other teams, and will pick 13th overall in the first round. Had the Bucs lost at Atlanta in Week 17, Tampa Bay would be picking ninth overall.

It will be interesting to see which players are selected between picks 9-12 and which player the Bucs wind up with at number 13 in the first round when the NFL Draft rolls around on April 25.

• The Buccaneers are going to give free safety Ronde Barber some time to figure out whether or not he wants to return for a 17th NFL season. Barber, who will turn 38 in April, signed a one-year deal to play free safety, a new position, in 2012. Once again, he led the team in interceptions (four) and was a Pro Bowl alternate at free safety.

Bucs defensive end Michael Bennett is among the hordes of players in the locker room who want to see Barber, the lone active player from the Super Bowl XXXVII team, return for one more year.

“They should pay him $10 million for one year,” said Bennett, who is also headed for free agency. “I definitely think it would be great for Ronde to come back. He’s our leader and he does so many great things. The fact that he’s playing at that level at his age is crazy. And he’s playing a new position. But that’s Ronde. His knowledge far exceeds his body.


“I would be happy to have Ronde back. I didn’t see any slip off in his game at all. Ronde is one of the best players in the league.”

• Count on former Arizona quarterbacks coach John McNulty joining Tampa Bay’s staff as either the quarterbacks coach or the wide receivers coach. The Bucs lost wide receivers coach P.J. Fleck to Western Michigan University where he became the school’s head coach in December. Tampa Bay also lost quarterbacks coach Ron Turner this offseason to Florida International University where he became the Panthers head coach.

McNulty has spent the last four seasons with the Cardinals coaching the QBs (2012) and receivers (2009-11) after spending the five previous seasons at Rutgers where he worked under head coach Greg Schiano. He was the offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach from 2006-08 and was the Scarlet Knights wide receivers coach from 2004-05. McNulty also has NFL experience having worked with Jacksonville (1998-2002) and Dallas (2003).

• And finally, one of Pewter Report’s newest partners, Courtside Grille Tampa, will be hosting a special Pewter Report Get2gether on Sunday, February 17 from 1:00-3:00 p.m. that will feature appearances by yours truly, Scott Reynolds, editor-in-chief Mark Cook, director of business operations Kim Roper and other Pewter Report staff members, in addition to some very special guests. We’ll have more on the first official Pewter Report Get2gether of 2013 in the coming weeks, but save the date. You won’t want to miss this one.

And you won’t want to miss out on watching the Super Bowl at Courtside Grille Tampa, which is hosting a Super Bowl party and taking reservations for the big game on Sunday, February 3. There are three attractive, value-rich packages for you to choose from. Just $25 reserves one seat, and includes all-you-can-drink soft drinks and an all-you-can-eat menu during the game. It also comes with three complimentary raffle tickets for prizes, including a 50-inch HDTV flat screen television at halftime. You must be present to win the raffle drawings.

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    bucmebaby, I disagree. We heard after the Price pick that that one could have been researched better. That pick aside, I think the rest of the player issues that you talked about just come with the territory of drafting real people rather than robots. I mean, yea, Talib had character issues, and that ended up not working out well. You know who else had "character issues" coming out of college according to draft pundits? Warren Sapp. These players being picked all have flaws - it's why not all of them pan out. They're draft picks, and they're not sure things. I never have understood, nor will I ever, why it is that fan bases seem to expect like 95% success rates from teams with stuff like this despite the averages on such things being much, much, much lower. Mark Dominic has made some really bad decisions (probably the worst ones, IMO, being the big paychecks given to Quincy Black and Eric Wright). He has also made some really good decisions. The 2012 draft on the whole was brilliant. I thought then and still think now that the Bucs probably had the best overall draft in the NFL last season. He has shown an odd knack for getting contributions from other teams' practice squads (getting a franchise LT off of another team's PC is just ridiculous). I think he and the team are taking the right approach with Josh's contract situation, which is something that could really turn into a horrible mess if not handled this well (see: Buffalo and NYJ). He actually has a much, much better rate of success early in drafts than most GMs do. The only picks in the first 3 rounds that have gone poorly are Price, Lewis, and Benn, although he has been injured so much it's tough to really judge that one. All of the others are either already good players or still have a lot of promise. Since the average 2nd round of an NFL draft produces somewhere between 12 and 14 good or better than good players, this tells me that the Bucs have drafted better in rounds 1-3 than most NFL team's over MD's tenure. He has also found contributions late in drafts - Mike Williams in the 4th was an extraordinary pick. Ahmad Black in the 5th looks like it could turn out to have been brilliant. Getting Stroughter and Biggers in the 7th is excellent (not saying they're studs, but getting any contribution from that place in the draft is great).
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    Over the years some of the draft picks have shown an alarming lack of home-work. I remember one guy taken in the first round had a serious illness, Cromier or something like that, but they took him anyway. Sears had mental problems but they took him anyway. Price's body was attached to his legs with piano wire but they took him anyway. Talib's character was in full view but they took him anyway. When you are running a multi-million dollar corporation you should really pay attention to what you are spending the money on, or any corporation for that matter. How much Dom had to do with those I have no idea, but they need to do their background checks, and take injuries and emotional problems more seriously, so these kind of goofs don't happen.
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    After watching the offense of the Forty Niners with a backup mobile QB playing the option, whip the daylights out of a traditional drop back QB program like the Packers run, I am beginning to think maybe we need to pick up Tebo this offseason to not only push Josh, but we need to alter our offense and encourage Josh to use his running talents that he has displayed in past years before Schiano took over, and when Josh gets tired or is ineffective like he is about half the time, bring Tebo in who can really make the option work. Afterall he took a losing Broncos team and turned them into a winner with a seven game win streak and beat the Steelers in the playoffs, before Denver stupidly dumped him after promising him he would be their starter the next year, and hired a much older QB coming off an injury, who lost in the first round of the playoffs for them and threw the critical interception. So much for their drop back QB offense. And look what an undersized Freshman mobile QB did for Texas A & M this year--whipped Alabama and humiliated an outstanding Oklahoma team with a drop back QB.
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    owlykat.....are you serious? I can't figure out from reading your post whether or not you're joking. On the one hand, you insinuated that the Broncos would have been better off this season with Tim Tebow instead of Peyton Freaking Manning, which leads me to believe that this was said in jest, because, I mean, how could anyone who's ever watched a football game think that any team playing after 1906 would be better off with Tebow than arguably the greatest QB of all time? Wait, they couldn't...ok, so yea, you must be joking. Yea, that's it...haha, well done, owlykat!!
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    If you want competition for Free then build a reputable 2ndary and turn them lose on him everyday in practice. While it's not possible to put a serious pass rush on your franchise guy, you can certainly ball hawk him...even in shorts and shells. Somebody has to teach this guy about turnovers. I have said for the past two years that his ceiling is probably around Flacco's. After watching the Denver playoff game, I sure hope I'm right. Also, at 13 the Bucs' aren't for sure going for a CB.(SR said that in there somewhere) We're a long way off from draft day, but even if we resign Bennet, Miller is still replaceable in this draft. With Teo and Bennet we have 6. Ultimately we're looking for 8 in the rotation.
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    i BELIEVE ALL THE HYPE AND THE DISAPOINTMENT IN 2012. bUT 2013 STARTS IN A FEW WEEKS WITH SENIOR BOWL AND EAST WEST GAMES EVALUATIONS STARTS. LETS GO BUCS.IN 2013.
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    I know some of the other posters are tired of me saying that I think the Bucs should switch to a 3-4 because I really think our players fit that scheme better with McCoy and Clayborne as DE's and Bowers and some in the draft or FA as the OLBs. Now that Rob Ryan is available I think its a no brainer. He worked with Ware who is the same size as Bowers and maybe sign A. Spencer who already knows the defense from Dallas. I'm sure we could sign Roy Miller cheap and tell him to gain weight and he'd be a great NT. This would mean we wouldn't have to overpay Bennett and could focus on CB and RT early in the draft. Sheridan is garbage. If you don't agree tell me why it's a bad idea.
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    Well Rocketglass for starters Bowers weighs a solid 280 lb and Ware weighs about 265 lb. Second is that McCoy is a 3-technique and they don't usuall make good 3-4 ends. Sapp went to Oakland as a 3-4 end initially and did poorly. They eventually went to a 4-3 and Sapp responded with 10 sacks. Third is that Clayborn weighs 267 now which is not a good size for a 3-4 end. Also, we would have nowhere to put L. David in a 3-4.
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    Thanks for starting the discussion pinkstop.. Bowers was 265 coming out of college and has the athleticism to be able to play OLB. While McCoy has always played the 3, he has always been a smaller 3 and is almost identical to Watt in size. We need to stop comparing him to Sapp as they are completely different body types. Sapp was a shorter and naturally bigger guy than McCoy. Clayborne is a bigger DE that could easily gain 15 lbs and his whole game is centered around power and not pass rush moves like a 3-4 DE. Why couldn't David and Foster be the two ILBs?
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    FAB 1: I completely agree with SR. FAB 2: I knew Cooper was lousy and deserved to be fired. I'm glad PR explained in detail why he sucked, but I wish the info would have come sooner. FAB 3: I think Sheridan deserved one more year just for giving us a #1 run defense. Let's see how he does this season with a real DB coach and fewer (or better) blitzers. FAB 4: Agree with SR. FAB 5: Draft positioning? You play to WIN the game! As for McNulty I don't know enough about him to comment yet.
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    Hard to tell if Dom is good, question/problem may be personnel people underneath him. He has done some good things, and last yr's draft was quite a bit better than the disasters over many of the prior years, but again hard to tell who should get credit/blame. Having so many poor drafts for so many years, he certainly gets part of the blame. As to Free, I think of him having superior athletic talent and subpar mental dexterity, at the very least when on the football field (since according to coaches he understands the offense, though he doesn't seem very detail oriented or focused when he's on the sidelines after one of his numerous poor decisions). I think it's that mental/physical mismatch that makes him so difficult for people to assess. On that topic, I am worried about us losing WR coach, QB coach and possibly OC. If we end up installing another offense you can prepare for a trip to 7-9/9-7 purgatory watching Josh continue to play "force ball". He needs continuity, he needs the game to be instinctual, doesn't seem to have the head to decode things on the fly.
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    Absolutely right Toofamiliar17! I've followed the draft for a long time and find it simply amazing how incorrect the so-called experts are when you take a look back as you did. Injury is the great unknown that is beyond anyone's control and for which no fault should be placed on the GM or scouting staff. We all have a tendency to be more critical of our own. But as you so adeptly pointed out, all GM's miss; even when they get to take the first guy. The success or failure of a GM should be judged over a period of time but ultimately he will be linked to the won-loss record of the coach who may not know how to cook the groceries.
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    "chances are that Bucs defensive coordinator Bill Sheridan won’t be going anywhere." What? So the safeties coach gets all the blame? Yes, we had 3rd string DBs for the entire season, but why did it take game #16 to determine that we shouldn't leave these 3rd stringers alone on an island?? There are some GREAT defensive coaches on the open market and the fact the Bucs don't appear to be looking at any of them is distressing.
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    We won the Super Bowl with a knock-your-lights- out defense and Brad Johnson. Put Josh and Greg Martin on that team and we add another 21-24 points to the score. Fix the defense - pass rush and defensive backs. Fix right OT. Up grade your back ups and we're set for a run in the play offs.
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    FAB 3. Firing Ron Cooper alone for this defensive nose dive of epic proportions is simply scapegoating. It is said that the impossible just takes a little while longer. Well, I know the impossible when I see it and it’s the Bucs secondary. Another DB coach not help this situation. This thing has to be blown up and started over. We really didn’t have a secondary last season. Our secondary got suspended twice and traded once. What we had left was a myth called Myron, a bust called Biggers, a former LB with 2 broken legs, a Gator that can’t break 4.8, a HOFer that’s past his prime, a couple of UFAs who couldn’t make another NFL practice squad, and somebody I never heard of with the last name Gorrer – and we shot Cooper for not being able to turn this crew from central casting into a shutdown secondary? Cooper’s crime was being with the wrong team at the wrong time. It may have been that he walked into the last coaches meeting in 2012 and asked “Am I late and why is everybody staring at me”? My opinion, it was not the zookeeper this time, it was the zoo. His resume at LSU and the results therefrom says he can coach. So I bid Cooper farewell and wish him good luck.
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    Totally agree with horse on this. I wish schiano would just come out and throw his support at free though. The last thing he needs is his head coach publicly questioning him this season where there are no viable alternatives and frankly the defense is the real reason we are 9-7. Pete carrol, mike tanahan etc all throw their arms around their young qb and I think free deserves that as well
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    How about a tat of Free on some body part of his wife?
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    No on briscoe? Are you crazy? MD went onto another team's PRACTICE SQUAD and got us a guy who scored 6 TDs for us. Did you want him to pick Jerry Rice off a PS? I mean, come on. That's a great value find. Your standards are pretty screwy if you don't consider that a huge win.
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    KINDERRT, check this out - I picked a random fairly recent draft - 2008. I am going to post a LONG list of some second round picks that haven't done anywhere near what they probably should have done as 2nd rounders. My point here is that I think you're overestimating the success rate GMs usually have with these picks, which results in you judging MD unfairly. Anyways, check out the list, and maybe come to realize that NOBODY hits on all or even most picks, especially once you get into rounds 3+. Here it is: Phillip Merling, DE; Donnie Avery, WR; Devin Thomas, WR; John Carlson, TE; Chil Rachal, OG; James Hardy, WR; Eddie Royal, WR; Tyrell Johnson, S; Jordan Dizon, LB; Jerome Simpson, WR; Trevor Laws, DT; Malcolm Kelly, WR; Limas Sweed, WR; Jason Jones, DT; Brian Brohm, QB; Chad Henne, QB; Dexter Jackson, WR; Mike Pollack, C; Patrick Lee, CB; Terrence Wheatley, CB; Terrell Thomas, CB...................Ok, so look at that list. In 2008 (truly just a random year I picked) there were TWENTY-ONE players picked in the 2nd round that have been either below average or terrible players. A number of those guys aren't even PLAYING anymore. And that's the SECOND round! MD is a good GM. Everyone misses on picks. I hate to break it to you, but draft picks aren't sure things. So stop acting like missing on some picks should mean an automatic death sentence for a GM - it happens to EVERYONE!!!!
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    Absolutely right Horse. Freeman doesn't need pushed because he is already driven and self-motivated. But the team should have a viable back-up who can come in for a game or two, have great success and be traded for a high draft pick then fail elsewhere like so many like Kevin Kolb, Scott Mitchell and our own Craig Erickson.
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    I really believe that the majority of the Pewter Report audience believe that Freeman is about your average QB in the NFL right now. He is as inconsistent and consistent as the majority of QB's. It's the backup plan that makes many of us scrim and ponder about how confident we are if Orlivosky has to play for whatever reasons. Granted that I only went to three practices at One Buc Place and also four preseason games to watch how inconsistent Orlovosky was. One series he looked All Pro; the next series he looked pitiful. If we want to win 7-9 games with no legit QB back up then we are right on schedule. I felt like we were very lucky that Freeman played in all 16 games and that is not going to be the norm for most seasons. We should have a better backup in the plan; not to push Freeman, but to be able to win games if Freeman is injured. There is no perfect time to fill this need, but I sure would like to see competition atleast at the backup position.
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    Horse, I for one think that Freeman is better than average and will demonstrate that to us next season. That said, I agree with you on the importance of the backup QB position. I don't know, thought, that that means that we should address it in this draft, which is weak at QB. I've said before that if Nassib falls I would love to get him. Outside of that, I think Henne would be a good backup. other than those options, I don't particularly like anyone else available to us and don't want us to force the issue. Backup QB is an important place to feel ok, but we have bigger needs right now.
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    KINDERRT - i was trying to be...well...kind, with my B- (2012 does look like a good draft)...hopefully you'll see I agree with your assessment pre-the 2012 draft with my C-. GRIMESY - I think that's right...awful QBs to work with...my point was we had perhaps worse CBs to work with and sent our coach off (do I smell a double standard)...in any event I am hoping we find some coaches with real talent soon, as I think coaching was a big factor in a number of losses....
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    Maybe Ronde Barber could retire as a player and return to Tampa this offseason as the d-backs coach...
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    EastEndBoy...Dominik is way overrated, way to many missed picks in the 2nd-3rd- and 4th RD.. Scout Dept. needs major work. If we are going to use the Tampa-2 why not bring M. Kiffen back and let SHERIDAN WALK?
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    KINDERRT, check this out - I picked a random fairly recent draft - 2008. I am going to post a LONG list of some second round picks that haven't done anywhere near what they probably should have done as 2nd rounders. My point here is that I think you're overestimating the success rate GMs usually have with these picks, which results in you judging MD unfairly. Anyways, check out the list, and maybe come to realize that NOBODY hits on all or even most picks, especially once you get into rounds 3+. Here it is: Phillip Merling, DE; Donnie Avery, WR; Devin Thomas, WR; John Carlson, TE; Chil Rachal, OG; James Hardy, WR; Eddie Royal, WR; Tyrell Johnson, S; Jordan Dizon, LB; Jerome Simpson, WR; Trevor Laws, DT; Malcolm Kelly, WR; Limas Sweed, WR; Jason Jones, DT; Brian Brohm, QB; Chad Henne, QB; Dexter Jackson, WR; Mike Pollack, C; Patrick Lee, CB; Terrence Wheatley, CB; Terrell Thomas, CB...................Ok, so look at that list. In 2008 (truly just a random year I picked) there were TWENTY-ONE players picked in the 2nd round that have been either below average or terrible players. A number of those guys aren't even PLAYING anymore. And that's the SECOND round! MD is a good GM. Everyone misses on picks. I hate to break it to you, but draft picks aren't sure things. So stop acting like missing on some picks should mean an automatic death sentence for a GM - it happens to EVERYONE!!!!
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    You really can't blame McNulty for how bad the QBs in Arizona were. He was given literally three of the worst quarterbacks in the game. Do you really think any coach in the league would make any of those players better. HE was given literally zero talent.
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    I don't think we need anyone other than Orlovsky to push Josh. I was impressed with Orlovsky in the Preseason Games. The problem is that Schiano had a perfect opportunity to push Josh during the season when he was being inaccurate and not looking off his recieivers and looking like a deer in the headlights and indecisive and throwing interceptions, by simply sitting him down on the hardwood and inserting Orlovsky with the first string and giving him his golden opportunity to show he could lead our team to the playoffs--now that would have pushed Josh to settle down and get it together, and that would not cost us a high draft choice next year for a backup QB and would have saved Glazer money for other valuable free agents this coming year. Anyway I loved your artilce, Scott, and especially agreed with all the kudos to DOM. However DOM has missed one golden opportunity by not stealing Hardy back from the New Orleans Practice Squad, to fill our need at TE, for the day Dwight Clark retires. Maybe he has a reason on that one, but PR has never dug it up.
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    I totally agree
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    Rebuttal: FAB4 - Dom has done some things well (yes Penn, not really Briscoe?), yes 2012 draft, no all drafts between 2001 (when he became head of scouting) and 2012...well he made a few good picks but I wouldn't call any of those drafts on the whole "good"; and yes FA Nicks and VJax but no Wright and basically everyone else. If not for the 2012 draft, I think he would get a solid C-, with the 2012 draft he gets a B-. Rebuttal FAB5: I reserve judgment on McNulty...I think every Cards fan would tell us that QB was the downfall of their team, the same way we speak about CB...we sent our CB coach packing and now want to hire their QB coach...I'll wait to be impressed.
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    No on briscoe? Are you crazy? The guy went onto another team's PRACTICE SQUAD and got as guy who scored 6 TDs for us. Did you want him to pick Jerry Rice off a PS? I mean, come on. That's a great value find. Your standards are pretty screwy if you don't consider that a huge win.
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    Strange tidbits at the end there, Scott. "The losses sucked and the wins were great." Gee, thanks. How about the seven losses that were by one score or less? How did those feel? Why did that keep happening over and over again? I'm not sure I want anyone associated with Arizona's quarterbacks anywhere near our team. I thought we'd turned the corner on our assistants. Looks like the Glazers have some work to do there.
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