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April 9, 2013 @ 11:32 am
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Bucs Unsure They Want To Give Up Any First-Rounder For Revis

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The rumor mill and speculation on the Darrelle Revis-to-Tampa Bay trade scenario has heated back up over the last few days. Find out the latest on the status, including some new information regarding what the Bucs may or may not be willing to offer the Jets for Revis in this article.
The Darelle Revis-to-Tampa Bay roller coaster trade saga continues with new reports coming in nearly every day.

Late Sunday night, Jason Cole of Yahoo! Sports reported the Buccaneers were willing to part with first-round, third-round and sixth-round picks to acquire the services of Revis. On Tuesday, the Tampa Bay Times reported that the Jets are sticking to their demands for the Bucs' 2013 first-round pick (No. 13 overall), which would give them the ninth overall pick and the Bucs' first-round draft choice four picks later.

Today, PewterReport.com has learned that the Buccaneers are still not even sure they are willing to give up a No.1 at all – this season or next. The Buccaneers are absolutely convinced that Revis can be a difference-maker, but the question is, at what cost?

Another big sticking point is Revis’ health regarding his rehabilitation on a torn ACL (anterior cruciate ligament) that cost him much of the 2012 season. Reports say the Buccaneers have yet to receive permission to meet with Revis or his agents, and also have not been able to examine Revis by team physicians, something that the Buccaneers would insist on doing before making a trade.

Cole reported on Sunday that the Buccaneers are growing impatient with the Jets, and Stroud’s Tampa Bay Times report on Tuesday seemed to indicate the same, saying the Buccaneers have a self-imposed April 18 deadline to get the deal done. The deadline would allow Tampa Bay time to have their doctors examine Revis and assess the progress of his reconstructed knee that is coming off of an ACL tear suffered in Week 3 last season against the Dolphins.

Another factor that could be working in Tampa Bay’s favor is the Jets' insistence that Revis attends New York’s April 15 conditioning workouts in New York. Part of Revis salary ($3 million in 2013) is based on Revis attending all offseason workouts with the team in New York. According to reports, Revis' agents, Neil Schwartz and Jonathan Feinsod, recently asked for permission for Revis to be excused from the first two weeks of the team's offseason conditioning program. Revis would prefer to continue his rehab in Arizona and skip the team conditioning workouts. The hardball stance by the Jets could create a rift in the relationship, making it even more unlikely that Revis returns to New York.

Despite appearing like the Buccaneers have all the leverage in the situation, a source told PewterReport.com that they are not 100 percent convinced that the Jets “must” trade Revis as reports have suggested. While it is widely thought that Jets owner Woody Johnson doesn’t want to pay Revis a new contract after 2013, the thoughts are just speculation the source noted.

The dilemma the Jets are in – if they are in fact adamant about not bring Revis back after 2013 – is running the risk of losing him to free agency and only recouping a compensatory pick, thought to just be third-rounder. While the Jets organization is fearing the backlash from their fans for getting rid of their best player, to lose Revis to free agency and get little in return is even a bigger nightmare from a public relations standpoint.

The rumor mill will most likely continue and heat up even more as the April 15 reporting date for Revis inches closer. And then if a deal isn’t reached by that date, the speculation and reports will be on fire as the draft approaches later in the month.

The one thing PewterReport.com does know for certainty is the Buccaneers want Revis badly, as the source told us, "We love Darelle Revis."

In the meantime, it will be up to general manager Mark Dominik to determine how deep the love runs, but the question should be answered soon depending on the compensation offered to relocate "Revis Island" to Tampa Bay.
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    Well Buc Fans-This is George Hicks agin.I believe Tampa should lower the picks. I say give them a 3rd,4th & 6th Rd this year and a 3rd & 5th Rd in 2014. I believe that if the NYJets don't trade now.They will only get possible a 3rd Round in 2014.Remember Tampa has a #1,#2,#3 mult 4rd picks,#5 & mult no#6. But that is only my view point. again If Jets don't trade then Let Tampa move up and get the #1 CB from BAMA. I say Cleveland needs draft picks and at #13 they could get a good play plus the other picks from Tampatheycould really improve their team.Plus Tampa gets a great CB and they don't have to sell the farm. But the draft is a shoot out.Again I would draft the best CB available at #13. GO BUCS
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    Be careful what you wish for this has A. Haynesworth written all over it. Obviously, our GM thinks we are a “Revis” away from making the playoffs. I think we wait a year - see how he plays - then just over pay him if he's the Revis of old. The Jets get a 3rd round pick in compensation for losing Revis if he walks next year, but that's based on the Jets not doing anything in FA next year. If they sign a couple of top level free agents the compensation pick is lowered to a 5th or 6th round pick. The Jet’s are staring at not really getting anything for losing Revis – Please don’t give a 1st round pick Dom! Personally I'm not so sure that our defensive scheme fits where the rules are heading in the NFL. Teams really don’t focus on running the ball, but our defense is set to stop the run. You can’t touch the receivers, but we are going to play bump and run. You can’t touch the QB, oh hey, we are good at that…Teams send 4 and 5 receivers out on pass plays…how does having one shut down corner help you cover the other 3/4 players. The Brady’s, Roger’s and Mannings of the world are going to find out who Danny Gorrer is covering and go there..
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    No man, i mean no man wants to venture onto Revis Island alone .
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    The other consideration on Revis is this will be his 8th season in the league. Few players have Ronde Barber's longevity and especially players with ACL injuries. The experts are predicting Star Lotuleile back in the top 5 now that the doctors gave him a clean bill of heath. Apparently Star had an infection that shot his BP up and gave him an irregular heart beat. The Docs are calling it a nomal thing with infections and not a permanent condition. If he drops to 13 we should jump on him like a bum on a baloney sandwich. He and McCoy together would be devastating. In watching the playoffs last season the biggest thing I was impressed with was the D-lines for all those teams were mobile, agile and hostile. And did I say HUGE !!! Maybe our corners wouldn't have looked so bad with a better pass rush. When QBs get 4 seconds or more they can usually slice and dice your defense. It's tough for any corner to cover good for that long. I'm just a big believer in building up the trenches on both sides of the ball. Collapsing pockets have a tendency to force QBs into bad decisions.
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    I think we made a big mistake not signing one of the available corners early in free agency. We had plenty of cap room. At this point, I would pass on Revis. We can't mortgage our future for this one guy. Add to the fact that he's coming off major knee surgury, it's way too risky. If we have another great draft (like last year), we'll be a playoff team in a year or two. Not likely this year.
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    I say no to high draft picks for Revis. At this point, I would pick up Antoine Winfield as a stop gap measure and draft CB's.
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    And in case I wasnt obvious enough...GET DARRELLE REVIS TO TAMPA EVEN IF IT MEANS OUR FIRST!
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    Who has coined this phrase that teams are "one player away from the Super Bowl", are these the same people that called Philadelphia a lock to make the playoffs two years ago? Or are they the people that called the Broncos Super Bowl locks after acquiring Peyton? The point is great players make average teams, PLAYOFF teams and once you get there its a case of whose playing the best football. Nobody picked the Ravens to win the Super Bowl, esp with Flucco at QB, facing Peyton at home and we see how that turned out. Doms job is to assemble to best team going into 2013, one that can compete and has the personnel necessary to make it to the playoffs. There is no player available at #13 that will upgrade us to the point where we will be able to contend and stop the pass. I assume people think Star Lotulelei, a nose tackle, who might not even be on the field in passing downs would help. Or better yet lets reach and draft Xavier Rhodes like some have suggested and start Rhodes and Wright?? That would be a nightmare and any knowledgable football person knows that. I worry more about winning and less about the job of making the contracts work, thats over all of our heads considering we know nothing about the terms in players contract and their willingness to restructure. Im sure nobody knew about the clause in Wrights contract that allowed us to take him from 7.5 million guaranteed to 1.5 mill to prove my point. Deal with what we see and the glaring need for an impact player at the CB position and if that player isnt in this draft, which everyone knows, then make the obvious move and get the best available.
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    I would not pick Star, although I would like to have him. Instead I would get Sheldon Richardson to platoon with GMC and to also play in the line with GMC on passing downs.
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    I'm with (virtually) everyone else on this board. Pass on an overpaid prima donna coming off knee surgery. Best case even with him would be one and done in playoffs, and even that would take a lot to go our way. We need too many players, and quality depth, this is not the time for a gambit like this. Could easily be Dom, Hickey & Co's swan song if they roll the dice. Build the team's core first, then put it over the top with a few key FA's. Go Bucs
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    You guys really need an editor or proofreader who knows the English language... It's "for certain" or "with certainty" but not "for certainty".
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    I agree, it is not like proper use of the english language takes a person coversant in brain science, or rocket surgery!
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    What does re-signing an average #2 CB have to do with trading for the #1 CB in the league? Revis is still worth the #13 overall pick.
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    Pinkstob - I've been following these threads on several Buc sights and have to say you're in the minority on wanting Revis for a #1. The implications of making that trade go pretty deep for a number of years...basically we have to win the Super Bowl in 2013 with that trade, otherwise we can't re-sign a number of guys and we have lost the good young (cheap) talent to replace them....I don't think we are Revis away from the Super Bowl this year.....it's a big risk/mess.
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    Great Job on the sighning of Leonard and Smith !!! NO NO NO to Revis !!! You can't pay a guy coming off that injury 15 mil, It may be a year before you even know if he can replicate his old self.One Adrian Peterson in the last 5 years, not good odds, lots of Caddies and Jeff Neimans.If he loses anything at all next year, I mean anything he drops out of the top 10 corners out there and 13 to 15 mil and a first plus is just crazy. We missed the boat not signing some corner depth, you telling me that signing three of the top corners in FA and keeping your #1 along with keeping Wright plus barber plus draft isn't just as good or better than a questionable Revis.It would have also been valuable depth as with Revis you are only an injury away.Yes Revis is the type you need to shut down half the field to beat N.O. and Atlanta, but putting all your ducks on an injured horse is a lazy,selfish,inexperienced,selfish,inexperienced,fullish act.Quit trying to force a dam near impossible Defensive scheme towards the long term and probably short term health of this organization.Tweak the scheme, don't show your idiocities and NFL inexperience ( oh ya that window has kinda passed) but picking up Jammer and another vet and drafting a corner or TWO or three in the second or third ( not the first) is preferred over a 15 Mil Revis.Remember Jammer was the next best thing when he came out, can't miss, hits like a truck, future star.Just saying be careful when you go All In Adjust your dam Scheme a little and it will open your mind , your eyes and your Options!!! I smell a stubbornness in the air, smells a little like the Gruden offensive selfish learning curve.Hey Bruce I gotta have this guy( i gotta plan), this is the only guy i can do it with, I gotta have this guy( he can catch),one Charlie injured Garner later,you get a lil beginning taste of cap brat hell.Remember Alstott caught ( 60 ish) way more balls before gruden than after and only because as good as gruden was with the short passing game he was too dam inexperienced and stubborn to adjust his bratty ways/ scheme.Well I assure you we have just witnessed the same with our corner situation.Dom quit being influenced, stop Atlanta but do it smart !!
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    Not sure what is really going on here but we aren't one player away from a great season so giving up a first or 2nd rounder would be a terrible move, especially coming off a serious knee injury. Stock piling talent through the draft has been the mantra. No reason to change now. Several good corners will fall to us in the draft.
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    Now that we resigned Eric Wright, at a reasonable cost, I say we take Revis for a 2, or we walk away. At 13, we will be able to get: Starr, or an OT, or one of the DE's. Someone is going to slip. Even better would be to trade down and get more picks. We need to get 2 CB's by round 4. Milner is not an option, and if Star or one of the OT's isn't there at 13, I would prefer to move down and draft the kid out of Houston. But if we have to stay at 13, I want to get value, not a reach.
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    Well this just in , the buc's restruckture Wright to a 1yr deal.
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    When the Bucs signed Goldson, they said they were close to trading for him last year. Instead they got Goldson coming off a pro ball season this year. So what makes anybody think they won't do the same thing with Revis? The Bucs waited on Goldson, and it paid off. Why rush it?
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    EastEndBoy... With that Scale I would have to go D as 15mil is way to high. After more thought about the Buc's being UNSURE, isn't it a little bit late for that as all the CB's are gone in F/A.
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    Ya - I only picked c) because I figured it was a give away and we could cut him and his 15m in a couple of years if he wasn't panning out...but mainly I wouldn't give up any good picks for him...
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    FORGET ABOUT REVIS. Star Lotulelei,Tavon Austin or Tyler Eifert round one. Trade back up in the first to get Margus Hunt,Manti Te'o,Tank Carradine or J. Hankins. Logan,Alford or Poyer in the third. T. Matthieu,B.W.Webb or Mcgee in the fourth. Just my suggestions. CB's in third and fourth round.
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    I agree with you tj, run, don't walk away from Revis unless we can steal him. A first, third and sixth is way too much for him... NO first round picks should be spent on him. He's going to put us in cap hell. I would go Austin in the first round, CB in second and third.
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    This is getting ridiculous! Don't give away "the farm". Not worth a #1 pick for this year or even next! If the Jets won't take what offered & maybe another late pick, heck with um! Move on!!
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    Lets stay focused on the Buc's situation and not the Jets situation. We need to improve the pass rush first over anything else; I hope that is the focus. We have an all world CB in Revis that had serious knee surgery and no one knows where he is in the recovery process. We also do not know if Revis will be able to do what he did in 2011 because he was injured very early in the 2012 season. He will be 28 years old as of July. My guess is that he will not be able to participate in any OTA's, pre season practices, and pre season games. Hopefully he will get in some kind of football shape by the early start of regular season, and hopefully he will be able to be at full throttle by mid season. What is his present value right now; I would say a third rounder this year and maybe a fourth rounder next year? No way do I give up any 1st or 2nd round pick in this year or next years draft.
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    horse I agree. we need to walk away from this.
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    Revis may very well be one of the best defensive players to come along in a long long time but I am not sure mortgaging the future of the team to get him is the smart thing to do. Three draft picks to the Jets and a salary of 15+ million a year is a lot to give up. Is any player, no matter how great they are, really worth sacrificing the future of your organization. I think it is time to realize that Dominik. the Glazers or whoever made this decision may be making a serious error pinning all the hopes of the team in trying to trade for Revis. It looks to me like that some of the higher powers in this organization are running scared for their job security right now.This trade has to be done for the right reasons and at the right price.There were some pretty good players available at the CB position in free agency, maybe not as great as Revis, that the Bucs did not even attempt to try and sign at far less money given the current value of CB's in the FA market. Most of these FA CB's signed for far less than they thought they would get.That is why 15+ million seems even more ridiculous.That would go along way in acquiring a lot of good football players. I would love to see Revis in a Bucs uniform but not at that price. The money would be better suited for resigning some current players that certainly deserve better consideration.
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    The more I look at this sistutation. I don't like it. The jets is trying to want the bank. If I was the GM and the coach. I say NO. I say IF They don't DO It I say trade up and give draft choices on the NO#1 CB Lets say Browns at no#6. Tampa trade their no#1(13) & Rd-4(126) and TB #3 RD-2014. To get the CB they want.Then trade with Vikings @ #25. Tampa gets that DE from SMU Tampa then gives up their 2nd RD(43) plus Tampa gives up one of their Rd-6 pick. Then Tampa would get that CB plus a good DE and they still have their #3,a #4 & #5 . That's what I would do. GO BUCS
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    I don't know if Dominik subscribes to Pewter Report but I think if he is UNSURE maybe we should take a pole and help him out.
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    I believe MC has said in the past that Dom is a subscriber and does check-in to guage the fans views....Unofficial pole: a) Revis at any cost (likely a 1st and 2nd rounder) b) Revis only at a reduced cost (a 1st rounder plus 6th rounder) c) Revis only at a bargain cost (2nd rounder plus one more mid round pick) d) no Revis. I think in terms of salary, if we get him its going to cost us $15m+...that seems non-negotiable and the Glzers seem willing to pay. My vote is c.
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    F the Jets at this point. They have no leverage and are a sinking ship in utter chaos. They have no cap space and very little talent. No matter what the incessant rumors say, the Bucs do and will always have the leverage in this negotiation. We dont have to give up premium draft picks or pay QB money to a player that no one else apparently wants. I would be much more open to using next years picks to get an additional 1st or 2nd round this year to keep adding CB and DLine depth that this draft appears to have in abundance.
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    NO more than a second round pick this year or next and maybe another pick after the fourth this year. Final offer and walk away. It's the only way the Bucs win either way. TIRED of the Jets and MEvis demands. WE hold all the cards and have NOTHING, absolutely NOTHING to lose if the deal does not go down as offered. And BTW, this with the caveat that MEvis passes a physical AND comes way down in his contract demands. Let's move on with or without him and plan a solid draft.
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    The choice is here is path A = Revis (not the 2010 Revis, but Revis post a major injury and a couple more yeras on his legs - still a good player though); or path B = 2 highly rated rookies (either from this draft or next) plus several more years of two to three guys like Mike Williams, Gerald McCoy, Davin Joseph, Donald Penn, Mason Foster, Josh Freeman. Is Revis really worth giving up all of that? Wouldn't it better for the medium to long term to have those two highly rated rookies plus all of those guys back in pewter.....or do we honestly think we can make a superbowl run with Landri, Gibson, Larsen, someone at LT to protect Freeman, or maybe we go with Orlovsky or a mid-round rookie (Landry Jones) instead, Underwood, etc...but with Revis too? Don't devastate the team from 2014 onwards for a decade of cellar dwellerism to roll the dice on Revis....if it was Brees or Brady, maybe, but not on a CB. I know it's Dom's last contract year, and we all want to win now, but we can make the playoffs without Revis this year and we can become a superbowl contender after that....do the right thing Dom and tell the Jets no thanks. GO BUCS!
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    I say screw Revis! If the Bucs do not already have a deal in hiding, than screw him and the Jets. We would be better off spending those picks to move up to get Milliner and than trading back into the first round to get Rhoads. These two guys will be a true tandem for years to come. There is a lot of annalist saying that they don’t think Rhoads is going until the 2nd round anyway. Yes I would prefer we get Revis, but not at such a high cost.
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    Sure the draft picks reported for this trade are a little crazy but my biggest concern is the contract that is being reported we are willing to pay. They say that we are willing to pay him $16 + million per year. By comparison, Sean Smith got $18 Million......FOR THREE YEARS. That's just crazy. If we do sign him, I think you can kiss Freeman goodbye. We can't pay two guys on one team QB money. Either that or McCoy AND M Williams will be gone.
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    Bucs need more offense! Tavon Austin is the player the Bucs should be coveting with pick 13, not trading it for Revis. Simply put : He is the best offensive player in the draft. Tavon is a WR/RB/KR/PR and he has remained healthy despite his size. So elusive. He fills so many needs. 4-6 catches/game as a slot receiver, 5-7 rushes per game, 3-5 punt returns per game, 3-4 kickoff returns per game. That's 15-22 touches per game! That's instant impact in round 1 and the Bucs can lock him up for 5 years!
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    @BucWild02 - As sexy of a pick as Austin would be, there's absolutly no chance we take him. We signed two slot receivers this off season and have more pressing needs. Austin would be luxury pick and we don't have that luxury..
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    I say a 2nd rounder this year, and a conditional 1st rounder next year, if he makes All-Pro or something along those lines.
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    If they aren't even willing to let us speak to him and have our doctor look at him, why are we even saying what we might trade? We have no way of knowing what sort of condition his knee may be in until our doctor looks at him. We shouldn't offer anything for this guy, we would be on the hook for a huge contract and a CB who may not be ready to play at his old level and may never return to that level, he definately will not be better than he was prior to blowing his knee. He could return and be an average CB! Do we really want to sign him to a contract without knowing for sure! Dom cannot be that in love with him. Something like this could lead to him being fired! and should if he isn't carefull.
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    @ smithcar It's typical that before a team in the position the Jets are in will not let another team look at or talk to a player until the compensation is agreed upon (not necessarily deal finalized). Whenever you read, Team A grants Team B permission to speak with Player John Smith; either regarding contracts or medical; that usually means Team A and Team B have agreed on the compensation for the player, should the meeting between the player and Team B be satisfactory to the team. The Jets have every right to refuse access to Revis until the compensation is agreed upon. The fact that their idea of what that compensation should be is out of whack is an entirely different matter.
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    If the Buc's are unsure they a starting to become smarter the longer this goes on. Let the Jets eat him and move on unless they come down on price. If we are going to give a 1st and possible other picks , I say use those picks to move up and get TWO 1st round picks this year. Star and Millner would be great for Five years. If we trade for Revis it would have to be a SIX year contract or it would be a NO go. If they need Revis that bad, wait till next year and get him for NO picks. We are not SUPER BOWL bound this year anyway ! We will be all in for 2014 at that point.
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    I say make the Jets sweat. If they are unwilling to let the Bucs check Revis' knee, there is no reason to give them a first rounder. Besides, the Jets keep alienating him. I still think the leverage is on the Bucs side.
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    I would NOT give up this years 1st rounder...and IF i gave up a 1st rounder it would be next year's along with another late round pick in the 5-7 range. As much as I would love to have Revis here, there are LOTS of unanswered questions. Is he healthy? Does he WANT to be here (or chasing money)? Has he lost a step with the injury? Can he return to form? Lots of various opinions on whom has the leverage, but in the end, it doesn't really matter. We have a desire for him, place reasonable limits on those desires and do not budge. It IS that simple. We desparately need the help, but we shouldn't give up the farm to get him. If this draft is deep in DB's, then let's go that route.
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    I sure hope cooler heads are prevailing at One Buc. Why overpay the Jets for a player who will be free after one more season in NY? He definitely won't be a BETTER player after he recovers from his knee injury. He could be a worse player though. I am sure Drew Brees, Matt Ryan and Cam Newton would test him.
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