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April 10, 2013 @ 3:38 pm
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Is Revis Worth Trading The Bucs' 13th Overall Pick For?

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Bucs fans are torn on whether they would like to see Pro Bowl CB Darrelle Revis in a Buccaneers uniform in 2013, and even the ones that do are wondering if the price of a No. 1 pick is too risky. But looking at the last 10 years of No. 13 picks, the risk of drafting a player may be far greater than acquiring Revis, who is coming of an ACL injury.
As the debate by Bucs fans continues to grow on whether the Buccaneers should acquire New York cornerback Darrelle Revis in a trade, the stalemate and poker game played by Bucs GM Mark Dominik and Jets John Idzik gets more and more serious.

What’s the proper compensation? What kind of long-term contract does Revis deserve? Will he be 100 percent to start the season? Those are just a few of the questions Bucs fans and Dominik are wrestling in their minds.

On Tuesday, PewterReport.com reported that the Buccaneers are still not completely sure if they are willing to give up a No. 1 this year, next year – or even at all. Despite the debate, reports continue to suggest that the Buccaneers very well may end up surrendering their No. 13 first-round pick this year in order to obtain Revis.

When the initial reports of interest in Revis by the Buccaneers first surfaced several weeks ago, it appeared most fans were on board with Tampa Bay adding arguably the NFL’s best cornerback. Slowly, with the draft approaching, many fans of have voiced their displeasure with giving up this season’s No. 1 pick for Revis. Many have called local sports talk shows and even have posted on the PewterReport.com message boards, totally against the Buccaneers surrendering high draft picks for the Pro Bowl cornerback.

While there are concerns – mainly about his ability to recover from a serious ACL injury – drafting a cornerback, or any position for that matter, is even a riskier proposition. The history of the NFL Draft is littered with terrible mistakes, poor return on teams’ investments, and in some cases just plain bad luck.

Alabama's Dee Milliner seems to be the consensus best cornerback in the draft, but after the Crimson Tide star, the next best cornerback is up for debate with Desmond Trufant and Xavier Rhodes battling for that spot. Even if the Buccaneers pass on a cornerback at No. 13 and take a defensive lineman, tight end or other position of need, who is to say that player will pan out and make an impact in 2013 and beyond?

Trading for Revis is a risk, but less so than throwing a college football player directly in the fire. And as a scout recently told PewterReport.com, you can’t sit a top-15 selection on the bench. They must contribute and be on the football field at any position other than quarterback. Even then the scout said the pressure to play first-round picks is much different than even 10 years ago.

Just to demonstrate the risk of taking drafting a player versus trading for a proven starter, PewterReport.com takes a look at the players selected with the 13th overall pick over the last 10 seasons in this feature. How many of these players would you take over Revis?

2012 WR MICHAEL FLOYD
Floyd gets a huge incomplete when grading his rookie season. The Cardinals were in turmoil, had numerous quarterback changes and eventually a new coaching staff. It is hard to get a good gauge on Floyd by looking at his mediocre 2012 numbers – 45 receptions for 562 yards and two touchdowns. Despite being the 13th overall selection, Floyd was the Cardinals No. 3 receiver for much of the season.
GRADE = Incomplete

2011 DT NICK FAIRLEY
Fairley had a solid 2012 season on the field but a terrible one off of it. The former Auburn star finished 2012 with 26 tackles, 5.5 sacks, two forced fumbles – and two arrests. There is no question that Fairley has the potential to be superstar in the NFL but must reign in his off-the-field issues and stay healthy after finding himself placed on injured reserve late in 2012.
GRADE = C

2010 DE BRANDON GRAHAM
Graham was a terror in the Big 10 at Michigan, racking up 26.5 sacks and 56 tackles for loss during his four seasons in Ann Arbor. But since being selected by the Eagles in 2010, the former Wolverine has struggled to come even close to the same production his showed in college due to injuries. Graham tore an ACL his rookie season and also underwent microfracture surgery on his knee in 2011. Graham recorded four sacks in 2012 and appears ready for a fresh start under new head coach Chip Kelly. He also appears destined for a new position, outside linebacker, in the Eagles' planned 3-4 defense.
GRADE = D

2009 LB BRIAN ORAKPO
Orakpo came into the NFL with a ton of fanfare and has not disappointed. The former Longhorn was selected to the Pro Bowl his first three years in the league, only being derailed last season with a torn pectoral muscle in Week 2 that cost Orakpo 14 games. In four seasons, Orakpo has notched 170 tackles, 29.5 sacks – an average of over seven per season – and six forced fumbles.
GRADE = A-

2008 RB JOHNATHAN STEWART
Stewart has been a solid running back in Carolina since joining the league in 2008. The former Duck was part of a platoon system for a few years, sharing time with DeAngelo Williams as the Panthers employed a two-back season. The addition of quarterback Cam Newton, and the style of offense the Panthers play under Ron Rivera, also has affected Stewart’s carries significantly. But when given the ball Stewart has been extremely effective during his career, rushing for 3,836 yards and averaging 4.7 yards per carry.
GRADE = B

2007 DE ADAM CARRIKER
In five seasons, Carriker has only recorded nine sacks and 125 tackles, but has also been injured and changed positions since coming into the league. Carriker was a defensive end in college at Nebraska but switched to defensive tackle with the Rams his rookie season. The former Cornhusker was dealt to the Redskins before the 2011 season as part of the blockbuster trade that the Redskins and Rams pulled off in order for the Redskins to grab the overall No. 2 pick in 2011. Carriker was injured for the majority of the 2012 season and was asked to restructure his contract last month in order to stay with Washington.
GRADE = D

2006 DE KAMERION WIMBERLY
The Cleveland Browns selected former Seminole defensive end Kamerion Wimberly in 2006 and he was an immediate impact player recording 11 sacks as an outside linebacker. With 48.5 sacks over the course of his seven seasons in the NFL, Wimberly is a well-respected pass rusher and has also had a stint in Oakland before signing as a free agent with the Titans prior to the 2012 season, one in which he notched six sacks for Tennessee.
GRADE = B+

2005 OT JAMAAL BROWN
Brown, who is currently a free agent has had an up-and-down career so far in the NFL. As the first tackle taken in the 2005 draft, Brown was expected to be a 10-year fixture on the Saints offensive line, protecting Drew Brees’ blindside, but injuries got the better of Brown who was eventually replaced by Jermon Bushrod. Brown was traded to the Redskins prior to the 2010 season and played well when healthy, but was never able to play an entire season for Washington. Brown’s final three years were voided, making the former Sooner a free agent.
GRADE = C

2004 LEE EVANS
Evans' NFL career started off in terrific fashion in Buffalo as the former Badger became a fan favorite while putting up tremendous numbers. During his seven seasons with the Bills, Evans amassed 5,934 yards and 43 touchdown receptions. Evans played nine games for the Ravens in 2011 after being traded for a fourth-round pick, but had just four receptions in those games. Evans was out of football in 2012 and is currently a free agent.
GRADE =B

2003 TY WARREN
Warren was selected 13th overall in 2003 after the New England Patriots traded up to that spot to nab the former Texas A&M star. Warren had a stellar career in New England notching 374 tackles and 20.5 sacks, while being a favorite of head coach Bill Belichick. Warren was signed by the Denver Broncos as an unrestricted free agent prior to the 2011 season but has suffered two triceps injuries that have kept him off the football field.
GRADE = B

It's a safe bet that any player selected in what is considered to be a good – but not great – 2013 draft will not be as good as a healthy Revis, who has been to four Pro Bowls and was named the AFC Defensive Player of the Year in 2009.





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    Has anyone thought that without Revis having a extension to his contract now it might be best for him to wait till mid-season before playing. It might be his best interest due to getting re-injured without future protection
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    Mark Dominick and Mark Cook READ THIS PLEASE! Darrelle Revis IS worth a #1 draft pick... IF he wasn't coming off a knee injury. IF his play didn't peak 2 years ago. IF he wasn't going to be 28 before he plays another down in the NFL. IF he didn't have a very real 10-20% chance of re-injuring himself. IF HE DIDN'T TAKE OVER 10% of a teams cap space (that is a crazy cap #). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Nnamdi Asomugha signed for Revis money not long ago as a shutdown corner... And the 49ers just signed Asomugha for 3 mil (if he reaches every incentive). Other GMs have all realized corners were being overpaid and over valued. And as more and more teams use 3 and 4 WRs that SEVERELY limits the value on a "shutdown" CB even further. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Bucs CLEARLY have the leverage. The Jets will miss the playoffs with or without Revis. Only the Jets will have a FAR WORSE chance at a franchise QB picking at 10 (2014 draft guesstimate with Revis) then 3 (guesstimate without Revis). The Jets will get a third rounder WHEN, NOT IF Revis leaves them next offseason. ------ IF the Bucs give up more then a 2nd and a 4th (or two #3rds) they are overpaying imo. They could even be overpaying at that price considering Revis's cap number.
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    East End, " FREEMAN is the key to this Revis trade (or not) not Revis - Freeman progresses into a top-5 QB and we're on the SB path - he doesn't and Revis is the least of our (and Dom's) problems." I would have said: ....He doesn't and Revis will be the cause of our problems for a couple of years. Lesser draft picks to get a QB, money tied up in a non QB and the cap damaged so we lose some of the players we have started to build with.. Someone please explain the pluses. I don't see any. That particular player is not manna from heaven-far from it.
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    Why did he not mention in this article that Warren Sapp was the 12th pick in the draft? Unless he forgot Sapp is a first round ballot hall of famer.
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    did you not read the article? ONLY PICKS #13!!!!!
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    "The former Cornhusker was dealt to the Redskins before the 2011 season as part of the blockbuster trade that the Redskins and Rams pulled off in order for the Redskins to grab the overall No. 2 pick in 2011." The only info correct in the above statement is that he was traded from St. Louis to Washington. The year and the compensation is way off-he was traded before the 2010 season and the teams swapped late round picks. I'm guessing that you were going off of memory, and just confused the situations together on how he was acquired.
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    I do not believe any one player is worth 15+ Million a year. I do not even think QB's should get that kind of money even if they think they can walk on water. Spread the money around to several players and fill up some of the huge holes on this team. There is never any guarantee that drafted players will work out. All you can go by is college performance. Unfortunately more are busts than successes. This team needs to rebuild with youth and take some chances in the draft rather than using castoffs from other teams except to provide depth. I am not saying to not pick up some FA's just make sure to do your homework and find out if they want to play for the Bucs because of just the money or do they really love football and want to win. Too many prima donnas are only worried about how many millions the will make.There is nothing wrong with making money but do not cheat the fans that pay hard earned money to watch Americas game. We need more Walter Paytons and Barry Sanders. All this said I hope the Bucs pass on revis and draft Tavon Austin, Star Lotulelei or Tyler Eifert at number 13.
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    Getting Revis would be great, IF: He is healthy and can play to his Pro Bowl level of 2 YEARS AGO; And we have a D-Line that pressures the QB; AND we are one player away from the SB; AND have cap space for resigning the core players to take us to the SB. Word is also that Revis is not a good locker room guy. Could be garbage being circulated, but feels like a lot to overcome. I'd pass.
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    As I look at this Revi sistutation now.I would say NO. Look at Tampa sistutation now.CB Wright will be starting at one corner and their is a chancethat Pro-Bowler and Future Hall of Fame Rhonde Barber could be back for one more year. If Millinier does not drop down.Tampa would be at a great spot to a player that is available that could fall like a big offensive linemen or another DT or DE. Or beter yet trade down. One team that need another WR is Minnesota vikings. Tampa could trade down to get minnesota mult picks plus Tampa could give up one of theirs #4  picks and maybe a no#3 in 2014 for the #23 & #25 picks. They could get the DE from SMU plus another CB with #25.That what I would do. It seems that if Dominic doesn't trade #13. Tampa could build up on positions they need. Everybody must remember that the injured Bucs will be back. SO GM & COACH DON'T PANIC-DON'T LET JETS GET WHAT THEY WANT.THEIR ONLY THE JETS.REMEMBER TAMPA HAS AS MANY SUPERBOWL WINS AS JETS.GO BUCS
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    Of Course revis is better than anyone who will be there at 13!!!!!!!!!!1 The question is ... is he better than #13 pick AND the players you mite not sign or may cut because you are paying revis a TON of money. Signing revis may mean no 13 pick, plus no mike williams after this year plus we mite have to cut nicks or sign no one after the season. What if we trade for revis and pay him and then #5 shows hes the franchise qb??? then we have to make some tough cut, let some good guys walk, and not sign anyone in free agency next year.
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    In better news DaQuan Bowers got the gun charges dropped and walked away with a disorderly conduct charge and a 250.00 dollar fine. What a sign of relief!
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    Arrghhh, this debate is maddening. Personally, I wouldn't do the trade - not because of the #13 pick itself (I'm sure Revis will be better than Rhodes or whoever), but for the impact it will have on our ability to keep improving the team over the next 3 or 4 years. No matter what one thinks of Dom's ability to manage contracts (and personally I would say that jury is still out), paying Revis money for a non-QB is going to cause issues (not this year, or maybe even next, but soon)....ask the Jets, or the Eagles, or the Panthers, or the Raiders, etc. (all of whom I'm sure had teams of people managing contracts and the salary cap). And when the issue arises (soon) we won't be able to keep the team together - or be able to replace the players we're losing because - oh ya - we gave away those "up and coming" guys to get Revis. That's all irrelevant - because fans like me are on the "re-build"..."climb into contention"..."run for the super bowl over a few years" path, which takes five to ten years if done well. Our GM however, is in the last year of his contract - and therefore we ARE getting Revis because our GM is on the "build a little"..."add FAs"..."make one big roll of the dice" path. Dom clearly thinks that we are at risk of not making the playoffs without this Revis deal - and hence his job is at risk without the Revis deal. He doesn't care about Milliner or Lotulelei or whoever, because they are rookies and won't be good enough to make a major difference in getting to the playoffs this year. The fact that they could be major contributors (along with several of the guys we're going to end up cutting loose) in 2 to 3 years time, is also irrelevant because Dom won't be here to deal with that unless he makes the playoffs now. There is one HUGE SILVER LINING in all of this my fellow fans that could make us all happy and forget we ever had the Revis debate...and his name is JOSH FREEMAN. If (and yes it's a big if) Free can keep up his progression (and I happen to see last year as significant progression), he alone can make up for many holes in our team (many created by the contract of Revis and trade of high picks). I believe this is why you hear Dom in full support of Free - he knows the power that lies in the hands of our QB to make everything better in the long run - unlike Schiano ("like" not "love" - way to support the guy coach) who knows he has more time than Dom. FREEMAN is the key to this Revis trade (or not) not Revis - Freeman progresses into a top-5 QB and we're on the SB path - he doesn't and Revis is the least of our (and Dom's) problems.
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    EastEndBoy, I am right with you. I refuse to get anymore frustrated so I am going to prepare myself that we will not have our 1st round draft choice. It is what it is.
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    East End, . FREEMAN is the key to this Revis trade (or not) not Revis - Freeman progresses into a top-5 QB and we're on the SB path - he doesn't and Revis is the least of our (and Dom's) problems. I would have said: ....He doesn't and Revis will be the cause of our problems for a couple of years. Lesser draft picks to get a QB, money tied up in a non QB and the cap damaged so we lose some of the players we have started to build with.. Someone please explain the pluses. I don't see any. That particular player is not manna from heaven-far from it.
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    Revis was the 14th pick in the first round. That suggests we might be able to get a pretty good player with the 13th pick. Also, the risk of the draft pick being a bust would be significantly less costly than the 13-15 million dollars a year Revis would cost. And I'm not sure that it's worth paying Revis that much money if he's not physically the same player he was and I'm we just don't know if he will be. I really just don't think that we should trade for Revis and if we do, we should wait until he's played a few games and proved he's the same player he was.
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    Let's be honest, there is good and bad points on both sides of the Revis trade. The real argument involves what level of risk are you willing to have in order to make the trade. At this point, every argument on both sides are speculative at best. What will the effects be not only this year but in the future as well? How long will Revis be able to make an impact, if at all? These are loaded questions as we all know. I for one do not put much into this article as any kind of determining factor for trading for Revis because there are way too many intangibles that can be pointed out. I recently posted Dom would be a moron to trade the first pick this year and I still do. My reason is simply a negotiation tactic. WAIT. I believe it is highly probable that the Jets will NOT let Revis be in camp when the real training starts. This recent move to demand Revis to show up to me was a desperate act by the Jets to try and get Dom to bite. The Bucs have the upper hand and regardless whether he is worth our first pick or not if you can give up your second this year and say a 4th next year you made your team that much better. Of course I am not previous to all the info both teams have but no one THIS YEAR besides the Bucs can AFFORD Revis and the Jets will lose much more next year than what the Bucs would give up now. I think DOM knows this because like Mark stated in the comment section, DOM is a crude dude with contracts which involves good negotiation skills.. GO BUCS!!!!!
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    The trade deadline isn't until Oct. I'd wait till then. By doing that we'd know what kind of shape Revis is in, whether we even need him, we'd keep this years draft, and hopefully if we do trade a one in 2014, it'll be a lot lower then 13. Revis as a vet could come in anytime and pick up our D, even if he plays mostly man. To quote the Stones," time is on our side". As they say, sometimes the best deal is the one you don't do.
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    How do you make a trade with out knowing that? You don't. I don't see how Pinkstop and Scubog believe that all this will work out and be wonderful. Way too much hope for me to gamble on if it was my money.
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    I don't think any of us would make this trade if it required our own money but the beauty is that it doesn't. Im for fielding the best possible team we can in 2013 and letting the people that actually have the money make those decisions. If it works financially and from all reports it does, I still don't see how anyone can defend selecting ANY player from this draft over trading for Revis. We keep next years pick bc if it fails miserably like some have suggested then we will have high draft picks which seems to be what some would prefer rather than winning.
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    I honestly think some of you would argue with the sun if it talked. In no way is this a bad pick. PR even listed the past people taken at selection 13 and I would take NONE of those players over Revis at any stage of their careers. Last summer its "if the Bucs dont spend any money im not renewing my season tickets" now its "If the Bucs give up a 1st round pick for the consensus best defensive player in football in giving up my tickets." Personally I support my Bucs even if I dont agree with all the decisions they make, your boss doesn't make every change you would like at work but I dont see any of you storming out of work to prove a point. At least Dom is making a move with the hopes of IMPROVING the team. If some of you dont agree thats fine but to turn your back on the franchise is absurd. If trading for Revis makes you turn in your Bucs tickets and gear then some of you werent real fans to begin with. You cant knock a GM one offseason for doing nothing then give him hell bc he's trying to push us into the playoffs. Dom is a smart man and I hope he makes this move despite some of the idiotic fans we have "supporting" our team. Go Bucs! Revis Island we are waiting!
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    Also, as to the Freeman/Flacco comparison, Flacco has never even thrown for 3900 yards. Flacco does have slightly better career numbers, but he Freeman and Eli Manning were all in the same class of erratic players that look great one game and terrible the next. My point is that you can with a Super Bowl with a guy like that IF the QB is clutch when it counts and the defense can force some turnovers. If there is one thing Freeman has going for him is that he is clutch, especially in the 4th qtr. On a side note, you don't have to be in the playoffs the previous year to go to the Super Bowl. One team that comes to mind is the 2003 Panthers and they were within a field goal of winning the whole thing. If healthy our team will be a hell of a lot better than the 2003 Panthers if we get Revis.
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    Freeman is clutch when it counts..... against teams with losing records. Against superb competition he actually breaks down in almost every possible way.
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    The money Revis would cost is the least of my worries. Dominik is good at keeping his numbers straight. He may have to make some hard choices to keep us under the salary cap, but it's doable. As much as I like Nicks we might have to let him go in 2014 in order to re-sign Freeman and/or other players. Freeman threw for over 4000 yards without him and Martin rushed for over 1400 yards.
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    There are many concerns about adding Revis to the team. Health, attitude and age to name a few. The biggest concern I have is the price of trading a first round draft pick or even a second round draft pick is too high for what it gets us. The question is do we trade for Revis now or wait and sign him next year when he is a free agent? All trading does is get him for one year and get us exclusive bargaining rights. One year because we could sign him next year without a trade. Bargaining rights only saves the Glazers some money and its not my money so who cares. But we give up a premium pick that can be a star on the team for many many years. It is a lot to give up for some bucks and a year of service. Who from last year's draft would you be willing to give up for one year of Revis?
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    Revis is AT LEAST worth what we gave up to get Keeshawn Johnson and that worked out fine for us. This is really crazy. If it's the 13th pick this year then so be it. Next you'll hear everyone complain that we have to pay the guy. Not everything in life can come on the cheap. Getting the best is usually costly and usually worth it.
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    With the total lack of activity in early free agency we have backed ourselves into a corner and probally need to get the trade done. I would of rather seen Sean Smith who signed with K.C. and Brent Grimes Mia. come top us for the same money Revis would cost us and still be able to draft best player available, but hindsight is 20/20. So whatever just dont sign Freeman unless he proves himself this year.
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    I'm over it too JonnyG. How some fans can't comprehend the rationale that getting a proven Pro Bowl player for the 13th pick in lieu of (as Mark's article pointed out) an uncertainty, is puzzling. How some fans can't reason that this is the NFL and rosters and a team's chance to contend for a championship are really quite equal. The original Worst to First poster is hanging on the wall behind me as evidence. I can assure you that no one ever thought the 5-11 Bucs of 1978 were destined for the 1979 NFC Championship game. How can anyone not think that a healthy Revis isn't a significant upgrade over E.J. Biggers is shocking. How can they rationalize that Xavier Rhodes will be superior to a Pro Bowl player? I find it comical that people like Horse and Bucdiezel's dad who are from my generation and, like me, have cheered for this team for 36 years always threaten to cancel their tickets but after they "stay calm" renew as I have all of these many years. Bottom line for me is that if we can only give up this year's pick or less for a healthy and content Revis I'm good with it. I'm equally good with and may be now leaning toward telling the Jets to fahgetabotit.
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    Well, of course Revis is less of a risk, talent-wise, than the #13 pick. But, the angle that the article is totally missing is that Revis will also come with the huge risk of having an enormous contract that will eat up much of the cap space. If the Bucs sign Revis, are they going to be able to re-sign Freeman, McCoy, M. Williams, and be able to add other FA talent to that core? To me, that is the bigger risk.
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    I don't care anymore, this is becoming the Favre Saga will he play or won't he play, after awhile I just don't care anymore
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    OK...I'm calling Dom right now to discuss his negotiating tactics. I have a bit of experience in this field (actually a lot) and would be happy to offer some advice: 1. Know your negotiating partners situation (Revis wants out & no leverage since he's leaving in FA and they'll get next to nothing when he leaves) 2. Establish communication (paint no-brainer argument of fan and long term team perspective) 3. Set a reasonable price (something better than 3rd rd pick that they will receive when Revis becomes FA next year...let them know greed will hurt their future) 4. Set a hard deadline (somewhere b/w April 15th to 18th) 5. Don't look desperate... and make it obvious that you'll walk away from the deal if terms aren't met (and really be able to walk away...have a Plan B) 6. Move to Plan B (attack the draft and pick up Revis next year) The Jets should have NO leverage. So...don't give it to them.
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    one thing is for sure; it's not worth trading for Revis without the Bucs getting a good medical and workout with the guy, as the Bucs requested. Otherwise, the Bucs should smell a rotten fish; the Jets are trying to pull something.
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    I'm in the middle with the Revis trade..I want him but don't want to give up so much for him plus I don't like the idea of giving him so much money. He's a great player (if he comes back the same) but that's not guaranteed, it could take another whole year for him to come back in full strength. On the other side, Revis would solidify our secondary by taking half the field away allowing the safety's to help the other side (Wright, Barber, Johnson) The thing about Revis, I know he would play hard every game. That's the kind of guy he is, he wants to be the best player (see Sherman feud) so I'm not worried about that. I just hope we wouldn't give up too much for him like our first round pick this year. I'd rather them give up a 1st rounder next year instead so we can get a DT, DE, Or OT with our first pick. We should all keep in mind that it's never guaranteed that draft picks will work out either. If we do get Revis along with all the other players gaining more experience, there's a chance that the team would be picking later in the draft for next year.
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    I'll also add the fact that Revis isn't a trouble maker, the only thing he ever does that's bad is crying about a new contract when his current one is about to go out.
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    The argument in the article is flawed. Half of the all-pro team this year was drafted later than mid first round. Trading a mid first round pick for him this year has too many moving parts. Revis was the 14th pick the year he came out. Many draft picks fail, and a healthy Revis would be worth the 13th pick in this years draft if he wasn't in a contract year.
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    ITS NOT THE PICK!!! Hello !!! there may not be a Revis in the entire first round.Its the 12 to 15 mil on a player coming off major surgery. The 15 mil equals three very good vet corners or your first round picks for the next seven years. BTW it may be multiple picks !! No Can Do !!!
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    As I've said before, because dom didn't bluff by signing one of the FA corners, he now has no other choice but to give the jets what they want for Revis. Because of his lack of foresight, it has turned into a staredown and sadly, dom needs revis more than the jets need revis. Wright has never been more than an average corner in the NFL and a huge contract doesn't change that fact. And pinkstob...Freeman is no flacco. We take m. Barkley in the 3rd round...unless we trade that pick away to the jets as well.
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    Heck no...why give up the 13th pick and whatever else when you can trade up and get the #1 corner in the draft for less (draft picks and money). Get Revis later or under Bucs terms--don't take a chance on a guy who may have lost a step due to his injury.
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    One other quick thought... We have been burning the boards up with this Revis trade for the last three weeks. The one that has not said anything is the man himself (REVIS). The Jets have made him show up OTA's now. He could put an end to this trade just by saying he WILL NOT redue his contract with the Buc's. That means if the Buc's trade for him and give up any pick for him he could leave at the end of 2013 season. I sure hope Dominik is not going to go that route.
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    HERE'S THE THING, AND I THINK MARK WILL AGREE. From most sources in the media and around the league there's about a 90% chance that the Bucs ARE going to trade for Revis and it WILL probably include the 13th pick this year. So instead of everyone on here debating heavily on whether or not they think it should happen, we should more be talking about how things ARE going to pan out afterwards. Get excited! BUCS
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    bucdiezel90; I can't because I have seen this savior scene many times in the past with other Buc teams throughout the decades and they all failed. Failed miserably!. If this trade happens, I am done with buying my ticket this season and on. I'm 67 and I am not waiting for another rebuild cycle. This would be a horrible mistake unless we know that Revis could play like he did in 2011.
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    Horse; it's funny you say that. My dad has the same attitude about the Bucs and he happens to be the same age as you. Every year he watches every single game and is a die hard fan. But every season he gets all worked up about one thing or another and says he gives up on the team. All I'm saying is if I had to put money on it, Revis will be a Buccaneers in the next couple weeks, and I bet you in a few months we're all going to be talking about how great it is that we ended up getting him.
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    Horse, how can one EVER know that a player will play like they did the year before, injury or not. This is not a "savior" scenario as you put it. It's just like the Keeshawn Johnson trade; A big move that puts us over into the "top level" teams...finally. You of the long tooth should be especially for this trade. And hey, it may NOT work out. He may get here and be awful, But that doesn't mean it's a bad risk/reward deal to do. I hate to hear you considering giving up the team. It would not be the Bucs without our senior leadership with us in the stands. Come on now, stiff upper lip and all of that.
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    Just wait! Wait one more year and risk nothing! His contract is up and we will still be the only team that can afford him. Also we need to think about Freeman's contract next year too. Go and draft Rhodes and see what he's got. I dont want Revis and allll the headaches he brings.
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    I would love to go back to the SB but like Horse said, we have to be realistic. We have to crawl before we walk. We have to get to the Playoffs first. I don't see Revis getting us to the playoffs this year. The team has to many questions that we are not sure about (a) and most important, can Freeman be the QB that can take us there? (b) Can we beat the Saints or Falcons when it matters? Now 2014 IMO will be real possible to make the playoffs. Let's just take a seat and when the Jets have to trade Revis we go in and swoop him up for much less than they want now.
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    I believe we are more than one CB away from the Superbowl healthy or not. he is a talented player but he is also a handful and no one at this point knows if he will be ready to compete this season.if he was 100 % this would be a no brainer,even with his dramatics- BUT HE ISN'T...I say let the Jets come to us and lets wine and dine the diva every chance we get.then when the bumbling Jets screw the pooch and spoil the deal,next year we can scoop him for next to nothing..we are the only team with interest at this point and the money to satisfy his greenlust.So maybe he chooses to come play here next season,once we show that we can be a contender-which we should be WAY before the Jets will ever be..if we give up the 13th,we are gambling on him,bowers,Clayborn and nicks this season- if we go with the next year picks we also might screw the pooch depending on what happens with coach and free..way better QB class next year.we are in a tough place either way and will need a healthy dose of luck anyway you shake it..
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    Skull and Bones, I agree with you. I just don't understand the line of thinking from some of you. How can better players not get you closer to the Super Bowl? How are we not contenders with Revis? Freeman is in the same class as Flacco. No one thought Flacco was an elite QB until...hell, opinions are split on if he's even an elite QB now. We haven't even had the draft yet and if we get Revis the only holes on this team would be TE, NT and SLB. All of those positions can be addressed in the draft even without a 1st round pick. At CB we would be 5 deep with Revis, Wright, Barber, Gaitor and Johnson. At safety we have Barron, Gholston and Black. It would be nice to have more depth at other positions like RT, DE, WR and LB but if luck is on our side for once like the Falcons we can stay healthy and not need much depth. The last time the Bucs were healthy all regular season we won the Super Bowl.
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    Pinkstop, we won the Super Bowl because of a dynamic pass rush. If healthy Revis is solid; I would agree with you about Revis, if healthy.
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    Revis will be 28 this year and no one knows if he's able to start the season. It may be possible to get three (3) good years out of him not counting this year if he don't hold out any of those years. I would not want a player that signs a contract and does NOT honor that contract because he thinks he's under paid. Did you ever hear of a player giving money back when they have a bad year? IMO, we sit on our hands and let the Jets come to us. They do not want to pay Revis this year or any other year because he will be back in a year or two looking for more money. They will trade him at the trade deadline in OCT. or get ZERO for him. Then we will know what he is and if we still want him then trade for him. IMO, use our pick at 13 and get a younger and hopefully a good talent.
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    Interesting article. All of the number 13 picks turned out either relatively successfully, or injured, or a bust. You would expect such predictable outcomes in similar population samples. It would be bizarre if 13 players produced identical results. You could easily draw very similar bell curves for the 12th pick, the 9th pick, the 18th pick, ect. ect. ect. The one missing variable from your sample is the "Distraction" factor. Revis is and has been a major distraction this offseason. Do you think once signed this will end? Signing Mevis is like running into a burning building after soaking yourself with gasoline. You can anticipate getting burned.
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    Yes, Revis is worth the 13th pick in the 2013 draft if that was all they were asking, maybe a little bit more if there was a firm asking price on the table. Who knows what they want or if he is even going to be traded. The Bucs and the Jets are snapping towels at each other in the locker room. Nobody has gotten serious yet!
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    No.I thought we were trying to build a team with character? Revis strikes me as a guy who is only interested in what a team can do for him,not what he can do for a team.he is/was( jury out til he hits a field) a great CB talent but he is also a guy who will make waves if he feels he isn't taken care of- just doesn't strike me as a team player..also- what is tampas deal with guys with knee injuries?seems like the last decade has been filled with players returning from a knee injury in Tampa and basically being ineffective( Bryant,Galloway,Caddy,Price,etc) we are already playing the knee gamble game with Nicks,Clayborn and Bowers- do we need another who is also a diva?tampa is gonna do what they are gonna do despite what we all think and we as fans will have to live with it or look another direction..this team would be no closer to the Superbowl this year with him on the team,lets just be honest..
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    Hey, let me make easy for some who think we should trade our 13th spot? I agree that Revis is worth the trade IF he is healthy and can past Coach Schiano physical test that he made every player do before joining the team at the start of pre season camp. Can anybody guarantee that at this point? Of course not. We need to sit tight until we know for sure that Revis is ready to play football by the start of camp. Until then I wouldn't give anything more than the compensation pick the Jets will get next yea rand a 4th round pick. Lets be realistic here; we are not super bowl contender's, but we can be getting closer to that by staying with the draft and signing players like we did last year and this year in Free Agency for players that are healthy.
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    Bucko40, there isn't one player on that list better than Revis and you know it. You say this move won't make the team a contender then where would this teams weakness still be to not contend?
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    No offense to you personally smithcar, but isnt this the same website that two years ago was exploding about the Bucs not spending money? And now fans are complaining it is too much? And again, no offense, but Dominik knows what the Bucs have, what they will need to save for next season, contract details etc.. He has never show the propensity to throw money around and put the Bucs in salary cap trouble. He won't do so in this situation. Say what you want about his draft record but he has been pretty shrewd about the contracts structures over the last few years.
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    Mark, I agree with smithcar that my issue has less to do about the pick compensation and more to do about the ability to resign the young players that the Bucs have spent the last few years drafting and grooming. Any chance of getting an article that shows the cap ramifications of the potential Revis contract? I think the guys that will be in line for an extension will be McCoy, Freeman, M Williams, and a little further down the road Clayborne, Bowers, Foster. I'm guessing that if they sign Revis, Penn would probably get cut for a younger (cheaper) player.
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    original wright contract shrewd??? We all agreed it was a terrible contract from day 1.... we were saved by pure luck.... and there are multiple other examples of greatly overpaying a player that was recognizable from day 1... not just months later. I think Dom has improved as a GM and hope he makes us a winner this year, but I'm not willing to call him shrewd on contract details yet since I believe an accurate assessment of market value is a critical element of contract details and he's made a number of missteps there in the recent past.
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    MC, Good article. I have to say that in spite of the case you make,this trade really scares me. Here are my concerns:1) given his injury we don't know that Revis is the player he was. He may best the bet cb in football or he may just good. If he is the best the money is fair but I would argue that the draft pick cost is too high. If he is just good, we would be overpaying in two ways. 2) he has a history of holding out if he feels like he is not being paid properly, so even if he is the est cb in the nfl how long will it be before money becomes an issue and he becomes a cancer. 3) even IF it all works out perfectly, we are putting ourselves in cap hell and limiting our ability to get good inexpensive players via the draft. For these reasons and more I'm against this trade as reported. The risk clearly out weighs the reward, IMO.
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    There are more hits than misses that I see. That being said. If the Bucs were 1 player away from the Super Bowl then I'd offer up the #13 pick in a heartbeat. They aren't in that position, so I'd hold back a 1st round selection
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    For me it isn't the picks that concern me so much, it is the contract that he is demanding. How can any team justify giving a CB upwards of 15 million a season. How long will he be happy with that contract number, he has held out twice demanding a new contract. Giving in to his demands will cause serious cap issues for us. We may be forced to let some of our young talent go, without resigning them to an extension only to see them go and help another team win.
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