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August 16, 2013 @ 11:32 pm
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Bucs Fall To 0-2 In Preseason; Most Disappointing List

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While the Bucs avoided a blowout loss unlike last week, there were still several players and a couple units that struggled on Friday night. Which player's drop killed first quarter momentum? Which unit was below par most of the night? Find out in the Most Disappointing List from Friday night's loss to New England.
After the first quarter it appeared the Buccaneers were well on their way to an embarrassing blowout loss. Fortunately for the Bucs defense, the Patriots pulled Tom Brady and the Buccaneers reserves played much better than the starters on both sides of the ball.

Despite some bright spots, there were several players and units that didn’t play up to par and are singled out in this weekly post-game Most Disappointing List feature.

Safety Ahmad Black
While there was some discussion between safeties Black and Mark Barron on who was at fault on the the Patriots first touchdown pass – a 26-yard strike from Tom Brady to Danny Amendola – replays appear to show Black out of position, and also linebacker Mason Foster trailing behind by five yards. Without benefit of knowing what the call was, at least part of the blame was surely on Black. But to solidify himself on the disappointing list Black drew a 15-yard unsportsmanlike penalty soon after, something that will make head coach Greg Schiano pull his hair out. For the game Black was credited with three tackles.

Linebacker Mason Foster
Foster is a liability in pass coverage. While he will come up and thump you, rarely is Foster in the correct position when dropping into coverage, and even when he is, he just doesn’t have the wheels to stay with a receiver or even a tight end at times. On the above-mentioned play, the Patriots TD reception by Amendola, Foster’s drop was poor. No one expects Foster to beat a receiver in a foot race but getting proper depth is crucial for the middle linebacker when dropping into coverage. On the ensuing successful two-point conversion, Zach Sudfeld exploited Foster. While Foster should have had more help from Barron, the play demonstrated Foster’s penchant for sometimes lacking field awareness in pass coverage. Foster finished his brief game action with just one tackle.

Wide Receiver Kevin Ogletree
While a very good argument could be made to put Ogletree on the Most Impressive list also, the former Cowboys receiver had a momentum-destroying drop in the first quarter. After a spectacular kickoff return of 63 yards by Michael Smith, the Buccaneers were poised to answer Brady and the Patriots, with excellent field position. On third-and-10 from the Patriots 42-yard line, quarterback Josh Freeman threw a great ball over the cornerback and in front of the safety. While it wouldn’t have been an easy catch, it was one a starting receiver has to come up with, especially when facing a prolific offense like New England who you know will score a ton of points. Every drive is crucial when facing a team like New England. Instead of a first down near the Patriots 20-yard line, the Buccaneers were forced to punt, killing any momentum established with Smith’s excellent kick return.

Bucs Offensive Line
It was too difficult to select just one offensive lineman for the disappointing list, as early in the game Tampa Bay’s quarterbacks were constantly harassed and dropped to the turf, including Freeman who was sacked three times. While the Bucs did average 4.6 yards per carry on the ground, Tampa Bay’s offensive line gave up four sacks on the night.

Pewter Report has talked up both Demar Dotson and Donald Penn all camp, but both struggled on Friday night, each giving up one sack. Chandler Jones gave Penn fits early and while it could be argued that Freeman has to get rid of the ball sooner, one more than one occasion the pocket was collapsing before Freeman ever set up to throw.

Tight End Luke Stocker
Stocker had a three-play series midway through the first half that will be difficult to watch with his teammates in the tight ends next film session. One back-to-back running plays, Stocker barely touched his guy who made the tackle including one play that resulted in a four-yard loss for Peyton Hillis. After two straight whiff blocks Stocker released from the line of scrimmage and showed little effort in trying to get open and the Buccaneers were forced to punt. For someone who is competing for a starting role, and coming off a two-week stint on the exercise bikes, it was a less than stellar performance for the former Tennessee tight end who is trying to live up to his fourth-round draft status.

Dishonorable Mention: The Bucs pass rush was once again non-existent on Friday night, failing to record a single QB take down, and rarely getting a hand on Brady, Ryan Mallett or Tim Tebow...Guard Jace Daniels was blown up in the fourth quarter on a key second down running play. Fortunately one play later the Patriots committed a penalty giving Tampa Bay a fresh set of downs and the Bucs ended up scoring on a Glennon TD pass.



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    I agree that this has been painful to watch. I will be an optimist and look for better play on both sides of the ball when the games start to count.
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    This game was an excellent example of why charging full price for a preseason game should be a crime. Maybe a gross misdemeanor! If Mason Foster is the mike, we will get severely abused over the middle all season long. I personally would have picked Luke Kuechly over Baron. Imagine Kuechly at mike , Lavonte David at will and Foster at Sam!
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    Well the Lbs were suppose to be the ones to go after Running back screens and we just sat their and watched as they ran by them. Even Hayward missed a tackle on Blount badly !! LINEBACKERS NEED BETTER COACHING !!
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    I don't care about the win or loss in pre season; like most of us we are looking for improvement from the starters. If the starters don't play how is there improvement from the starters. Most of the Patriots all played a higher amount of plays than our starters did. I bet if Brady had only 8 plays he would have doubled that before leaving the game. Just saying that I agree it is hard to evaluate anyone with 8 plays or less; why would any starting player play so few? I am puzzled by the Coach logic on this one, and I am very supportive of him. I just hope all this doesn't back fire because we could go into the Jet game flat as can be. All we have is one game for all the starters to get it right because the 4th game is strictly players playing to make the roster.
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    KINDERRT, if Freeman ends up average he will be our best QB ever:)
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    I am sure there were plenty of Patriots fans ready to panic when the the Bucs whipped them in the third preseason game last year. Actually probably not. Point is to become suicidal after two preseason games is a little premature. No doubt the Patriots first team was like a high school varsity team taking on the local Pee Wee kids. But I still say let's see how the teams look next week when the starters play a complete first half before selling your season tickets on stubhub.
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    I'll always stick to my freeman is just good enough to keep him around. Even Aaron brooks was more consistent than this guy. But...more importantly, we have NO pass rush. Glad our management and coaches thought they had their bookend DEs. They suck!
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    The pick for Glennon is starting to make a lot of sense. Freeman needs to be pushed so that he does pull the trigger faster. If Freeman starts out any regular season game like he did yesterday, then he needs to be pulled quickly. This team has all of the pieces in place, but they need a quarterback that is going to lead them to the Super Bowl. I really like Freeman, but he has to step up to the elite level.
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    Practice, preseason game, or the last 4 seasons of regular season games...the eye in the sky doesn't lie: Josh Freeman is indecisive and slow to pull the trigger- basically a sack taking drive killer. And where is Schiano on this list??? Outcoached, overmatched, outmuscled, outscored, outplayed.
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    Looked like MASS CONFUSION on offense and defense. Schiano does not have this team ready to play. I know it's only preseason but this team is not ready to play. The Jets are right around the corner and we have no pass rush. Brady went 11 for12. I'm sure the Jets could manage 6-12 with no pass rush. If Stocker makes this team it is because they will not admit to another bad draft pick. Not to pile on Freeman but he needs a LOT off work. I don't see him ever being an elite QB, just average at best.
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    Good discription - mass confusion. I'd loved to have heard Brady's true assessment of the team that he faced: the Bucs were absolutely non competitive on defense. Surprised to see Schiano smiling when talking to Bellicheck after the game. He should have been embarrassed.
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    We will never have a pass rush with the LBs playing Zone coverage and letting TEs and WIdeouts run right past them ! I love our Secondary so far but the lbs our their own group and need more work than the rest of the team combined Including freeman lol !!!!
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    PAINFULL to watch!!!! Pats were crisp, quick to the line, knew exactly what they wanted to do and DID it. We were SLOW to the line, had deer in the headlight eyes and were always on our heels falling backwards. I don't think we came to play at all...looked like we were in a practice and had to stop and analize what we didn't do on every play. I have a feeling this is somewhat intentional and driven by the coaches, we just looked confused and "scared" in y book. GO BUCS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    Well the Lbs were suppose to be the ones to go after Running back screens and we just their and watched as they ran by them. Even Hayward missed a tackle on Blount badly !! LINEBACKERS NEED BETTER COACHING !!
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    Patriots came to play, Bucs came to scrimmage. Our offense gets to the line and has less than 10 seconds to snap the ball. They look slow and lazy. The D line was still getting set when Brady was hiking the ball and setting up to throw. Pace, tempo, crisp execution. That's what the Pats bring regardless of whether it is preseason or the playoffs. How about Mike Sullivan and Schiano on this list.
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    CALM DOWN PEOPLE. Freeman was not that bad - 1) he had the Pats DL sitting in his lap at the snap of every down...our OL was not on its A game (and oh ya, we were missing our two best OLmen); 2) his pass to Ogletree was fantastic (Brady-esque even)...had Ogletree made the catch it was a red zone opportunity; 3) yes he held the ball too long on one sack - it's preseason and Brady was holding the ball even longer...just so happens Brady didn't have to worry AT ALL about a collapsing pocket. And as for Glennon - yes he looked better than game 1 - although that INT was atrocious...but he was playing against guys who aren't going to be in the league next week - I dare say that against the Pats #1's he would have been on his backside on every other snap last night. What I wanted from Freeman last night was first no INTs - we got that - and second a variety of good throws (long and short) - we got that (Ogletree needs to step up) but not enough of it. The DL effort was pop-warner-esque....take some comfort that McCoy and David basically didn't see the field and Clayborn saw his first game action in nearly a year....the sky has not fallen! Lots of work to do...but that's what preseason is for....now go do the work Bucs (coaches too)!
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    Our entire starting lineup needs to play more. Seeing 2nd and 3rd teammers out there in spot duty in the 1st quarter was disappointing. Freeman/O-Line were slow and indecisive, just like in the Baltimore game. I didnt understand our DEF scheme all last season and this year in preseason it hasnt made much sense either. Saw some positives with Glennon, James, and Hillis. Tough to get a read until the next game when we can see at leat an entire first half for the starters but all of the training camp enthusiasm has definitely started to wear off. We still got work to do!
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    Mark, his snaps were limited because he couldn't pick up a first down. Schiano probably figured he'd get 20 snaps in his two series, but when you go 3, and out twice, it's next man up. I would've kept him in until he got something going, but if he couldn't get anything going, what then? Impressed with Glennon's game. He was decisive with the football, showed good poise, accurate, and looked like a vet with the hard count getting the Pats to jump offsides twice. We should be able to beat the Jets in the opener, but if we get beat down by N.O.,and N.E. the next two weeks, and Josh is playing poorly, look for Schiano's guy Glennon to take over.
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    Surferdude he couldn't pick up a first down because he was to busy getting smashed in the pocket. I agree his trigger is partially slow , but its not his fault for holding the ball when pressure is in his pocket. If he trys throwing the ball out of bounds it could lead to a fumble!!! HIS LINE HAS TO BE BETTER! 20 snaps and only 3 attempts passing on 3 drives aint his fault
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    Also, we should all thank Coach Belichek (sp) and Tom Brady for showing us who we really are and what needs to be done. We were out coached and out played.
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    Freeman deserves criticism for holding onto the ball to long and not improvising when the play breaks down, but when did you ever see Martin take off and run directly into the QB? PR proclaimed Dotson the best O-lineman, but last night looked like a Riker's Island jailbreak! And remember, we got a lot more problems than Josh. He was nowhere on the field when Brady took the Ginsu knives to Schiano's vaunted defense. Might want to do some coaching evaluation too! Other than Amendola, Brady's seemingly all-pro offense is led by TE Zach Sudfeld, WR Aaron Dobson, WR Kenbrell Thomkins - all UDFA rookies. How is that happening?
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    Frustrating team to watch & root for.. Gonna be a long season gents. Get ready for choppy waters ahead. Super talented roster with poor coaching.. #The 2013 Tampa Bay Yuccaneers..
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    My ticket rep called last week about 2014 season tickets. I'm holding off for awhile with that decision......this team looks like it has regressed back to the Raheem Morris era.
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    My guess is that Freeman was pulled because they were fearful of retaliation for the Brady hit. BUT, he and all concerned need work! All including the coaching staff need a complete game next week or this will be a very long season and many will need new jobs.
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    Josh Freeman.......a bad draft selection after all? Maybe. Probably. Offensive line....Sucks! Defensive line....Sucks! 6-10
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    Freeman and the pass rush sums it up for me as disappointing. I think we need to go to a three man rush; oh wait a minute, I think that is what it looks like already. Freeman looked like a deer in the headlights and Mr. Happy Feet.
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    I certainly was not impressed with Josh in the least, but with limited snaps and not great protection it was hard to get a good read on him. But he looked like he has often. Indecisive, too worried about pressure and so on. I know the coaches have a plan, but does anyone need more work than Freeman? This guy needs to play more than three pass attempts. Granted three more times he was going to pass before getting sacked. Still he needs the work.
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    So agree Mark.
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    I personally saw our defensive front (4-3 Guys) all in a zone/ Stunt . The worst part of the game had to be the linebackers. Watson is fast and he sat and watched the TE in front of him run the other direction . It was like our LBs were playing zone while everyone else was playing man Defense. Has anyone else thought that maybe the reason we aren't getting sacks is simply because our Linebackers Scheme? My thoughts on Hayward was that he simply quit and gave up ! I sat there and watched play by play on my DVR of him rushing Brady , it was almost as if he just quit and gave up on the blitz from the start . INajee goode at MLB just sat there in the middle on passing downs like he was told too it was like he was a robot . He needs cut !! As for freeman I know all of us Buccaneer fans are Mad at him, but its not his fault . His playing time is limited due to the fact that he is getting hit on every play . We have a TE problem with Luke Stocker !! I don't know if anybody else saw this , but just two plays after he did nothing blocking for hillis glennon had him shift to block right and all he did was run into Dotson at full speed ! I mean Dotson is a big guy to take him down as an accident would be hard. It was like he had beef with him or something. Anyways as all fans do not want him on the team I say cut him. I like Danny Noble , Tim Wright and Crabtree a lot . I trust these 3 to block efficiently game after game . RT we had a problem not so much worried about Dotson , but Gabe Carimi was horrible . He was maybe the worst on the entire team. Out of about the 10-20 plays I saw him at RT he maybe only did good for about 4 plays and that's even to much credit!!!! Even on the td pass to ogletree he let his DE right by him! another 1/2 sec and the pass would of never even left Glennons hands. I know this is a lot, but I have more to say still sorry .... More o line problems I saw from the back up crew was guard adam smith, G Remmers, t jace daniels, and TED LARSEN . First off Larsen let Brandon spikes by him while at left guard not Penn . As for the rest of the o line well you guys saw it I don't need to explain any more. I think bowers is too slow for stunts , I do not think any of the fans like them at all and should be removed asap!!!! Bowers is big and strong so let him use his strength to drill straight through lineman ! Do not make him go around 3 blockers before he gets to the ball . Anyways im a new user and plan to be on I hope you guys respond kindly !!!
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    "After two straight whiff blocks Stocker released from the..." The tension was building in this sentence but alas, it was not to be. "...line of scrimmage and showed little effort in trying to get open and the Buccaneers were forced to punt."
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    Noble, Crabtree, Byham and Wright seem like the four the Bucs keep.
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    I agree BucdaFackUp!! Matter of fact it was worse than whiffed blocks haha! He took out Demar Dotson like his mission was to hit him and not the lineman coming after his QB! WEIRD I know... Anyways I say cut him Schiano . WRIGHT , CRABTREE , & NOBLE LOOKED GREAT !!! Freemans gonna need to yell at his guards when they mess up like brady does to his lineman.
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    Freeman is the problem. He needed to change the play on that on play where the patriots blitzed everyone. Lets hope he was pretending to be stupid, since they have to play them in a couple of weeks. Brady ate up our defense, but he does that to about 90% of the league
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    Stocker doesn't deserve to make the team.
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    Agreed haha nobody wants him in tampa bay any longer including freeman lol!
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    At the risk of piling on: Freeman should be on this list. Glennon looked better. I really WANT to get behind Free, I really do, but its hard. Overall, the Bucs looked like children playing men with the 1st teamers out there. Offence was totally inept, the O-line was stunningly bad against the Patriots in pass protection (which still isn't enough to excuse Freeman). And I feel my trust on the D-line was misplaced badly as well, because they've not shown that they're EVER going to pressure the QB. I fully understand its a preseason game, but the first two of them have inspired a lot of doubt.
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    Also, the entire defense sucked against the Patriots starters. From the pass rushers to the LB's to the safeties it was one big, gigantic cluster suck. The DL got zero pressure on Brady...they weren't even close. The LB's were terrible in coverage, but after the first set of downs it appeared we had the 2nd string LB's in there. I know I saw a lot of Hayward and Goode and they both got beat consistently. The CB's couldn't get off a block to save their lives. The safeties had no impact on the field, which matches what I've heard from training camp. I haven't heard of a single INT from either Goldson or Barron in training camp. My only hope is that Schiano didn't want to show what the starting LB's could do and is saving something for the regular season. But that still doesn't excuse the pass rush or secondary.
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    Thank you Lord! someone who actually saw those pathetic LInebackers!!! I d k about you, but what I saw from them was failure to follow their man on passing plays!!! Dekota Watson just let his man in front of him go to haywards back side and the DE masifalo had to run over to get to the TE. No reason for LBs to be in a zone . This aint the 50s anymore we don't do that lol. You have to follow the man your suppose to cover its the entire point of cover 1 defense! Steven means looks best in our Scheme because he is faster than any of our DEs , because he is fast he is able to get to the stunts quicker making him look the best. As for safety Ahmad Black , I saw him at free safety not out of position on the TD to amendola. Idk what the article above is talking about he was playing his part to come over and help as he saw the pass got off. Even his 15 yard penalty was crap. He didn't even touch the guy he only was talking Shi* to the guy. I don't see that as a big deal for a penalty .
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    Yeah how is Freeman not on this list? On the Buc's first offensive play he bumps into Martin with the play action while Martin is trying to pick up a blitzing linebacker. It was like Martin from the back field saw the linebacker coming, but Josh didn't. The line played like crap, but doesn't the Q.B. have to make the right line calls, and change plays at the line of scrimmage? I watched Q.B.'s all over the league get tons of snaps last night, can't understand why Schiano didn't play Josh longer, he sure needs the work. I can only guess you earn your snaps, and Josh didn't last night.
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    That's the question of the day (Freeman). How does he continue to get a pass for his mediocrity. Its going to be another long season unless he figures this thing out. I think Buccaneer fans have been more than patient. This is going to turn into a QB controversy unless he steps up his game similar to 2010.
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    I agree with Afrika that Freeman should have been on this list. My wife said something I've never heard from her before about Freeman. "He just doesn't look comfortable or confident running the offense." I agree. I just didn't like his body language in the pocket even before the pressure got there. It's like he was hoping something good would happen instead of going in with the confidence that he was definitely going to make something happen.
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    And where is Josh Freeman on this list ??? I am terribly frightened of the captain of this ship and the direction that he is leading our fleet in. Too scared to fail, too reluctant to pull the trigger and it will only get worse....this is a pressure-filled job position that takes guts and balls. If you can't take the heat, get the hell out of the kitchen. Don't get me wrong, I love Josh Freeman as a human being, but as the man to dethrone Drew Brees or Matt Ryan ??? I just don't see that happening....just my honest opinion. Go Bucs....
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