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September 8, 2013 @ 7:20 pm
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Bucs Shot Down By Jets: Most Impressive And Disappointing

Written by Mark
Cook
Mark Cook

Mark
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What players were bright spots? Which players need to pick up their game in order to beat the Saints next week? What about the staff? Find out in the Most Impressive and Disappointing List from Sunday's tough loss to the Jets.
The loss to the Jets and the manner in which it happened was the nightmare scenario the organization most likely never dreamed could possibly happen. But happen it did. Still there were a number of bright spots and plenty of low ones. Read what editor Mark Cook thinks and see if you agree.

Most Impressive

WR Vincent Jackson
Jackson made his presence felt early after a 20-yard reception on the Bucs first drive and continued throughout the game with big catch after big catch. Jackson almost singlehandedly beat the Jets with his fourth quarter reception that put the Bucs in position to win with a Rian Lindell field goal. Lindell did his part but the defense allowed the Jets to score with seven seconds left, leaving the Bucs 0-1.

For the game Jackson had seven catches for 154 yards and the Pro Bowler started the season as if he is ready for another trip to Hawaii.

LB Mason Foster
Foster’s game started slowly, failing to get proper depth on Geno Smith’s first pass of the day in the first quarter, but the former Washington Huskie settled in and showed what the Bucs have been looking for over the last two seasons. Foster had eight tackles, two sacks and one forced fumble. Foster’s first sack and forced fumble led to the Buccaneers scoring their second touchdown of the day, giving the Bucs momentum. Foster’s second sack was an 18-yard loss of Smith.

Foster's pass defense is still questionable but there was no question the third-year linebacker came ready to play on Sunday.

S Dashon Goldson
While Goldson was called for two personal fouls (officials called one on Mark Barron but replays appeared to show Goldson as the culprit) on the day for hits on a defenseless receiver, Goldson – and fellow safety Mark Barron for that matter – played very well and Goldson was an intimidating force all afternoon in New York. Goldson will most likely receive the FedEx package delivered to his locker on Wednesday, but the New Orleans Saints receivers will most certainly take notice and it could have an effect this upcoming week, and even the rest of the season. Goldson finished with seven tackles and looked to be worth every penny of his $41 million contract.

P/K Michael Koenen
Koenen started his 2013 season in Pro Bowl form and was a big time weapon for the Buccaneers. While it is never a good thing when your punter is one of the better players of the day, Koenen put the Jets in several deep holes with booming punts and kickoffs including dropping three punts inside the 20-yard line. Koenen was also perfect on kickoffs, not allowing the Jets a chance to return even one single kick.

Koenen averaged 45.3 yards per punt, including a long of 59 yards.

DE Adrian Clayborn
Our old friend and former PewterReport.com beat writer Eric Horchy coined the perfect description of Clayborn in 2011 when he described the former No. 1 draft pick as playing with “dreads on fire.” On Sunday, against the Jets, those smoking dreads were flying all over the field against the run and in pursuit of Jets quarterback Geno Smith. Clayborn looked polished and in mid-season form and while only credited with three tackles, the disruption caused by Clayborn was a big part of the Bucs defense success.

Honorable Mentions: CB Darrelle Revis, WR Mike Williams, WR/PR Eric Page, DE Daniel T’eo-Nesheim, DT Gerald McCoy

Disappointing
LB Lavonte David
First of all in no way shape or form did linebacker Lavonte Davis lose the game for the Bucs on Sunday. There were numerous errors that were just as big a part of the loss as David’s terrible decision to hit Smith late. And prior to that hit and penalty, David was very high up the Most Impressive List. With that said, you cannot minimize the play and not call it anything other than an uncharacteristic bonehead play by the second-year linebacker from Nebraska. It is inexcusable, but not the reason for the loss on Sunday.

David is one of the best players not just on the defense, but the entire roster. And no player will take it as hard as David. You can almost bet if David plays another 12 years in the NFL you will never see him make that mistake again.

Unfortunately it was costly, and despite eight tackles, one interception and a sack, the error was significant enough to warrant being added to the Most Disappointing Players list.

CB Leonard Johnson
Johnson, like David, had a very solid game, as did the entire secondary, not allowing anything deep all day and showing a huge improvement from a year ago. But also like David, Johnson has an egregious mistake that cost the team dearly. After stopping the Jets late in the game on third down, the Bucs second-year defensive back was called for holding, giving the Jets a fresh set of downs that lead to a field goal putting the Jets up 15-14. And also like David, Johnson’s error didn’t necessarily cost the Bucs the victory, but allowing a team a new set of downs that ended with an additional three points in a one-point loss was a major mistake by Johnson.

LT Donald Penn
Donald Penn had one of his worst games since the Jacksonville game in 2011. Penn was guilty of a holding call early in the game and while tight end Luke Stocker ultimately was at fault on giving up a first half sack, Penn gave no help on that particular miscue. The Bucs were also unable to run the football all day running behind Penn and Gabe Carimi, with Doug Martin finding little success. Then late in the fourth quarter Penn gave up a sack, and while the Bucs were able to get the ball back on the next series and take the lead, Penn’s sack and subsequent meltdown on the sidelines was frustrating to see from the veteran left tackle.

Penn will most likely regroup, and after the game talked about sticking together as a team and how the team came together as a family during OTAs and training camp. He must bounce for the Bucs to have any chance of success in 2013.

C Jeremy Zuttah
Zuttah is primed to have a potential Pro Bowl season, or at least many thought. Unfortunately Zuttah’s season started out far from All-Pro. Zuttah was called for a false start early in the game then soon after had one of several Bucs mental mistakes on the day when he snapped the ball before Freeman was ready. The bad snap resulted in a safety and it doesn’t take a mathematician to figure out how costly those two points were in the end.

WR Kevin Ogletree
Somewhere out there Tiquan Underwood is smiling. Ok that isn’t true, Underwood is way too classy, but after being cut in favor of Ogletree, who could blame him if he was. While Underwood didn’t have the most secure hands in the NFL, he rarely disappeared completely from the stats sheet like Ogletree did on Sunday against the Jets. Ogletree showed little in the preseason, and showed even less on Sunday. Ogletree was targeted twice, dropping one. Perhaps Ogletree catches fire at some point, and there must have been a reason he made the roster over Underwood, but Freeman and the offense desperately need a third option who can create separation and make clutch catches when the other options are covered.

Coaching Staff
While it is easy to pile on the coaching staff, the bottom line is, when you choose to not play the starters – on offense in particular – very much in the preseason, it should come as no surprise when the offense comes out and looks as bad as they did early and really for the most part. The “flip a switch theory” was proven to be false. Maybe when looking at the schedule and seeing the Jets, the coaching staff thought they could use this game as a tune up for the Saints next week. There was no cohesion on the offensive line, Freeman looked stumped at times and WR Kevin Ogletree and the tight ends were not a factor whatsoever on Sunday.

Fans can say the players made the mistakes and the coaches can’t play the game, but a coaching staff is ultimately responsible for what happens on the field. If Freeman throws five interceptions in a game, then QB coach John McNulty should have coached him better. When the offensive line gives up a number of sacks and there are few running lanes, then Bob Bostad should have coached better. The bottom line is, this loss falls squarely on the Buccaneers coaching staff, not the players. If the players are not performing it is up to the staff and front office to find someone who can. Again, ultimately, it falls on the coaches.

When you have the talent – on paper – the Buccaneers have compared to the Jets, the only way to lose barring an Act of God is to be outcoached. That happened on Sunday and now the Buccaneers are facing a tough schedule ahead of them, with teams much more talented than the Jets on the horizon.

Fingers will be pointed at Freeman, David and Johnson but the coaching staff needs to take a good look in the mirror and ask themselves how this was allowed to happen. While we don’t know the specific play calls, the best options on third-and-manageable downs were 20-yard wheel routes to Martin or fades to Jackson?

The game plan was poor from the very beginning. The Jets made it clear all week their plan was to stop Martin and rattle Freeman, and did just that. The coaching staff had no answer for the Jets defense and continued to try and force a running game that clearly was not working.

Sure the individual efforts by many players weren't worthy of winning football, but again, ultimately, even that falls back on the coaching staff. Now we will see what type of staff this really is. Can they keep the team from splintering? Can they learn from their mistakes? It won't get any easier with the Saints coming to town. All is not lost, but a loss like Sunday is clearly a morale destroyer and it will be up to the coaches to get the players ready to face Drew Brees and Co. or it may be a very long season once again in Buccaneer land.

Dishonorable Mention: TE Luke Stocker, RB Doug Martin, TE Nate Byham, G Gabe Carimi


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    I agree with Pewter Report MC. Freeman did not lose the game. But I have to tell you that Sullivan and his crew have no idea how to put together an offensive game plan. You are all correct about the Underwood thing. He should be on the team. The offensive line with all its supposed talent is horrible. Lack of preseason preparation. The supposed wonderful defense was not that good. why? Lack of preseason preparation. This coaching staff which I had hoped would be so good, is not very good. The offensive staff, I have always had questions about. The defensive staff is probably a little better, but not that much. Then, when I thought we really had a head coach, I come to realize that this guy is like our !980's head coaches, not worth a damn. This is going to be a horrible season. You can blame Dominik all you want, but we have some talent. No coaching!!!!!!!
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    I was so embarrassed of the performance last Sunday that I had to sell my tickets to the Monday night game against Miami. Can't remember the last time I saw a worst start to a game. All I kept thinking is this isn't happening. Ive been a fan since 89' and always will be. It took me three days to even listen to any football news dealing with Tampa. Seems to be any countability either. After three days I haven't heard of any player saying it's their fault. Freeman..... Five years in the league, second year in the same system and your out shined by a 2nd round pick rookie..... Unbelievable!!!!!!!!!! NO CONTRACT FOR YOU!
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    How do you not include Davin Joseph on most disappointing list?
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    I'm tired of the Bostad is a great coach line. Freeman has been running for his life virtually since we lost our star guard last year. And by the way, how many rings does Brees have--1; how many does Rodgers have--1, Manning 1....
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    We will see what happens next week, Im hoping they will step it Up!!!! Go Buccs!!!
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    I don't want to be disrespectful or argumentative here. Kickers in the NFL don't make 62 yard FG's? What day in October is Matt Bryant day? What I'm hearing is IF David doesn't hit, and instead stops to think; the Bucs' have a lesser chance to lose that game. By maybe, what...20% 30%? IF there are 3 or 4 TD's on the board then it's a non issue. I don't want my D thinking, I want them hitting. I want my O telling them coming off the field, "I got you. Do what you do."
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    I agree with PR's comments. David's penalty was certainly costly, and similar penalties will be called against every team all year. However, in David's defense, earlier in the game the Jets QB ran down the sidelines. It appeared he was going out of bounds on his own, so Leonard didn't push him out. The QB kept his balance just enough to squeeze between Leonard & the sideline for a first down. Faced with what appeared a similar situation, David pushed the QB. Unfortunately, the QB was a step out of bounds at the time...and the Bucs lose the game. Bottom line, the Bucs played down to the level of the competition...the Bucs should have crushed the Jets.
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    MC you pointed out an earlier penalty on Leonard that lead to 3 points, and Zuttah's bad snap that led to 2 points. Then ther is David's mistake with 2 SECONDS LEFT IN THE GAME THAT CHANGED AN 62 YARD FIELD GOAL ATTEMMPT INTO A 47 YARD ATTEMPT. If the earlier mistakes had not occurred, then Lavonte David's mistake would not have cost the Bucs a victory. BUT THE FACT IS IF HE DOESN'T MAKE THE TERRIBLY STUPID, BONEHEAD MISTAKE, THE BUCS WIN. Let's all be men here. His mistake DID cost the Bucs the game. And yes, he still is one of my favorite Bucs. Lavonte, it's ok. Most young players do similar things.
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    Fire Schiano now and make Dave Wannstedt the head coach, he cant do any worse than Shiano. He doesnt have a clue.
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    Well at least I won't have to see all of the losses happen because of the blackouts. I was so excited for the season this year, hoping to see a competitive team, but instead I saw a product that no one should have to pay to watch.
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    There will be Huge changes after the season Dominick, Schaino and Freeman will be needing a ride to the airprot
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    Why wait on Schiano and Dominick. Get rid of them now.
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    Thanks jrbdiddy. I will take one of what you're selling. Good enough is not good enough. Great QB play drives the bus. Hit a homerun. I don't want to hear about Glennon. And I've watched building around #5 for long enough. Does he have a contract? That's not the only C he's missing. I want to talk about what Bridgewater or Tajh Boyd or -you tell me the next solid prospect- could be in the NFL. I'm not interested in a QB that has to have a great Oline (Rodgers doesn't) or elite WO's (Brady doesn't) or great coaching (Manning doesn't). I want to watch a guy that hauls the whole team up on his back, warts and all, and reaches for the sky. I don't want to be the Giants, or Pittsburgh. I've got the ticket, I can watch 'em if I choose to. I want to see the hurry up for more than a handful of scripted plays. I want to see on the fly decision making. I want to see a QB that points to himself when a ball is off, not a guy that is pointing at his WO. 1 play tells me everything I need to know. Offsides defense--flags everywhere--Freeman safe throws a bouncer expecting Vjax on the comeback. IT'S A FREE PLAY, THERE ARE NO MISTAKES. You lead him. It's freaking Vjax. Unaware and timid are not playoff qualities. This isn't over reacting. This is 5 years of watching his development. Are there other problems? Yes. Are there any more important than this? No.
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    See this is the problem with buc fans, through no fault of their own I might add, but they don't know a good/great QB should look like. Most are used to mediocre and accept it. Do you think in New England that if the QB that replaces Brady goes 15-31 that the fans would say he played well, "well" are you serious....that's what passes as playing well. WOW, I can't wait until this fanbase gets a chance to draft and see a truly great QB lead this franchise so we can stop accepting mediocrity.
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    Think about this, please. I watched Eli, Romo, Mattie ice, etc. yesterday. All of them are "pocket passers" and each one had the time to stay in the pocket, look for the open guy with great OL protection. Freeman is not in their league, BUT he is the same type of QB. With one big exception.....he never had the protection and time to let receivers get open. Bostad is a great OL Coach, but this line is completely dysfunctional. We saw it in pre-season and we saw it yesterday. Josh will ONLY be successful, if he has time to set-up, survey the field and deliver the ball. The OL couldn't pass protect, open lanes for Doug to run or even handle the snap. The entire team looked dysfunctional, unprepared and as bad as some of the old Bucs we grew up with so many years ago. I hope Schiano comes down hard on each and every member of the Million-dollar coaching staff and that translates onto the players. This is NOT acceptable!!!!
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    Great analysis MC. This game is on the coaches, and if some fans could get over their automatic blaming of free they would see that. Bottom line guys, foolish penalties that extend drives cost us the game. As much as I hate the new rules that's the nfl now and the coaches need to instruct accordingly. Goldson/Barron s hits were beautiful but unnecessary and cost points, LJ s hold cost points, and fosters shove who didn't scream in frustration knowing that would cost us the game???? Sorry but that's not on free it's on the coaches
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    Freeman played like Freeman?? This is like watching Bill & Tedd's Excellent Adventure. What this team needs is Eddie Van Halen. The same circle of excuses. The game plan was poor. The preparedness was embarrassing. And quite frankly, Freeman is just good enough to keep the Bucs out of the playoffs, and in the 19-20 area of the draft. Neither is acceptable. This is a pretty well built team, but the QB and coaching areas are major weaknesses. If Tampa is going to hang their hat on strong defensive play, then Barron has to make that hit. Gouldson has to make that hit. And I'm sorry, but I'm not overly dissapointed at the David hit either. A defense has to be able to send a message, (Especially against the option) & it's going to cost some penalty yards. Somebody else has to shoulder more of the load to play that defensive style and it's the offense. The Bucs Must be able to put the ball on the 20 & drive to the endzone. If they can't, then that's not a game plan, and that's not a franchise QB.
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    Our GM Dom and HC Shiano are to blame: They have talked about winning now, yet, they don´t play to Freemans strength and did not give him help (speedy outlet option, or good 3rd WR). Freeman plays better in spread offenses and it is a passing league - but besides our top 2 WR theres no good passing option. We send 2 high draft picks (wich we needed to actually BUILD a great team) for a very good player, who should have given us the missing piece.. that´s BS, because there are a lot more missing pieces. Shiano preaches about preperation so much, because he is lousy at shemes and creativity. This Shianomik Demon has to go.. BTW we lost 3 Draft picks, because this Glennon pick was/is horrible too. He is a carrer backup at best, mark my words, have a good day BucsFans
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    A lot of good points here, and a lot of over reaction too. Game one, every season, shows trends, but its NOT a flat out predictor of what will happen the rest of the year. Lets look at Facts... Rex Ryan is a damn good def coach. His scheme was better than ours. Josh Freeman is inconsistent. Thats ok, so was Doug Williams. We won with him. Defense looks good...we got pressure like Bucs fans have not seen since 2005. Secondary was biggest problem last year..its fixed. Offensive Line needs help. Joseph is not in game ready shape. He will. Nicks too. New Orleans and New England are not sure losses. They are not as tough. This is week one. None of the major points brought up here were incorrect. Freeman stares down his receivers, and lacks leadership, but he is the best chance to win. If he plays like this, hes probably playing his last season in Pewter. But this is still week one. he could go out Sunday and beat the Saints, and all is well in NFC South as were tied for first place.
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    I'm growing tired of the "freeman played like freeman" defense...
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    You nailed it, Mark. The sloppy performance stems directly from the approach that the coaching staff took to the pre-season games. The starting units needed work and reps in game conditions. It's as if the staff felt the team was so good that they just needed to make it through the pre-season healthy....not get better. Out.
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    Since I'm on a roll predictions anyone? This loss was really big with N.O., and N.E. coming up to bat. A home game before the break against the Cards is the only thing that might keep us from being 0-4. So what will happen? My magic eight ball sees the Glennon era begin in Tampa after the bye week. Wait, there's more! McNulty will replace Sullivan as O.C., and I'm seeing a firery special teams coach taking the reins from Sheridan. Desperate times call for desperate measures, Schiano knows he might get away with a losing season in 2013, but the Bucs will have to make the playoffs next year for him to survive. We won't win this year with Glennon, but he needs to at least give us some hope for the future. The D is to talented to be run by a guy who couldn't get it done at N.Y.. Sullivan was Schiano's second option, McNulty was his first, look for them to switch jobs soon. My only hope for this year is we finish strong, and have the right coaches, and Q.B. in place for next year.
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    The Bucs under Schiano play the same way as previous Bucs teams. THEY PLAY NOT TO LOSE INSTEAD OF PLAYING TO WIN!!! 1. Not trying for the TD in the end instead of the field goal. 2. Not pressuring a rookie QB with a 3 man rush at the end of the game. 3. Conservative play calling and running the same guy into the middle every time when they have 7 and 8 guys in the box. Folks, it comes down to this! Just like the Gators, the coaches on the Bucs don't trust the QB on their team so you see the vanilla play calling. Between the coaching on both teams and their quarterbacks, they will be lucky to have winning seasons. And how anyone can say that Martin could be on the most disappointing list or put any blame on him needs to watch the game again. How do you run successfully when you are hit in the backfield on 90% of the time you touch the ball.
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    Anyone who thinks Freeman's play yesterday was good enough to win doesn't know what they're talking about, Mark Cook, and Haley Cornish included. We almost won in spite of Freeman, not because of him. Geno Smith the rookie had a better day with less talent around him, if he was our Q.B. yesterday we win. Freeman just doesn't have that it factor you need at this level. Jaws will tell you an NFL q.b. has to process information quickly. Do any of you see that in Josh? Jaws will also say, you can't hide your q.b. in the NFL. Isn't that what the coaches did yesterday by running the ball even though it wasn't working? They're not sure if they're going to get a pick, or a completion from Josh, they don't trust him, why should I? Mark I usually respect your opinions, Haley doesn't have a clue. I'm no expert but I've watched this game for over 50 years, and I feel I know enough about quarterback play to where I can say Josh Freeman does not have what it takes to play at the NFL level. Blame everything else around him if you want, in the end you'll see he doesn't have what it takes.
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    Mark, This is the biggest issue with Freeman. Everyone can look at the stat line from yesterday (not great), how he 'lead' them down the field to take the lead (thank you VJ), and not place everything on him. But anyone watching the game yesterday clearly saw a complete lack of direction and leadership on offense. Say it was the OL (it was), say it was the playcalling (it was), but ultimately it falls on Freeman. The playcalling is limited because of his abilities/inabilites. Go watch the other games around the league and you will not see a QB look this 'lost'. I can't put my finger on it, but he has a constant frazzled way about him and we should not be the least bit surprised the offense looks the same as our QBs body language. There is this imminent feeling of implosion around this team all because of our QB. The defense could be solid and we have the talent on offense. So what is it? I'm sorry, I like Freeman as a man, but it has to change and change sooner rather than later. Do you think Glennon would have looked more rattled than Freeman yesterday? Also, if there is such a problem with the playcallling and line play, Freeman needs to step us, tell Sullivan what he sees and make adjustments and then get into his line. He doesn't have that quality about him unfortunately.
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    I hate to say it because I really don't like Buddy Ryan's fat son Rex. In spite of having no offensive skill positions to speak of, our old friend K2 and a rookie QB, they were able to put a game plan together to muster more points than our supposed talented O-line, Pro-Bowl RB and WR could generate. How can this be? Defend the run and pressure the QB into mistakes...... which is what we will see all season. We all take the easy road and blame Freeman, (who clearly has his own problems) but in this game there was no methodical driving down the field for a score with great execution of the called plays by all 11 offensive players. Heck, we couldn't even get the play called as Josh was lining up behind Zuttah with only 5 seconds on the play clock. Other than Jackson, the offense just didn't look ready to play. That's on the sideline.
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    scubog, as usual, you make good points. But sooner or later we're going to have to use language stronger than "that's on the sideline". I know you're alluding to the coaches but we've all seen this before. The inability to make adjustments during the game, the conservative playcalling when we have a chance to put the game away and the ineffective prevent defense used when we have a lead with mere seconds left on the clock. We all remember the Redskins and Eagles games from last year. It's time to put the responsibility squarely where it belongs and that's on the coaching staff.
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    Mark is correct. 15 for 31 with a TD and INT is actually a solid B for Freeman.
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    As a former Freeman supporter, today convinced me it is time for a new QB. Better QB play would have made up for all those other mistakes. Where is Freeman on this list?
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    Mark please, Freeman cost us this game. Up 14 to 5 we can put these guys to sleep before the half with a score. What does Freeman do, throws late, and high over the middle for a pick that turns into a T.D. for the Jets. Tark was right, he's god awful. His pick led to 7, and his safety led to 2, if you're adding at home that's 9 points he handed the Jets. We were given a bunny on our first score, which means our star quarterback put up a whopping 10 points on a bad Jet team. Mark you think he did enough to win, I say he did to many things wrong to allow us to lose.
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    Mark you were spot on finally holding our bad coaching accountable. Ogletree was outplayed by Underwood and the only way I believe he made the team was by favoritism by our Wide Receiver Coach who brought him with him from Dallas. Schiano should have known better! A smart coach would have started Page in the slot and kept Underwood to back him up. Cut Ogletree and the whiff blocking do nothing from Tenn. and bring back the TE you cut, Schiano! Then bring in Tebo and get him prepared on your offense so that by the end of the break he can duplicate the seven game win streak he pulled off for the Broncos after a 0-4 start like they had there and you will have by the break. It is your only hope to salvage this season and save your job as well as put a lot more fans in the seats. It is a win-win. Tebo has all the leadership, determination, and drive that Freeman lacks and he set records for long ball completed passes in one playoff game in beating the champion Steelers.
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    If you could blend the best of Josh and Tebow you'd have a great QB. But you can't and it is 100% clear Tebow will never be a starting caliber QB and unfortunately Josh is looking like a perpetual project that will never live up to the pot'l his physical tools suggest.
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    The Jets will give up 30 plus points next week. Who is scared to play the Jets? We lost to the Jets. If you don't play to win, then don't even show up. I guess if you expect to lose you wont be so disappointed when you do. I don't care who we play next week... "Just expect to win"
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    I am physically sick and have insomnia after that debacle. We absolutely had to have that game, so now we are now looking down the barrel of starting 0-3. I get damn jealous when I watch teams like the 49ers and Seahawks and see the young talented QBs they have and then have to watch the BS week in/week out with our guy and hoping this is the week that the light comes on. At this point he is who he is. He is a Lame Duck QB that the guys in that lockerroom did not vote captain and to me ultimately it does mean something..
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    How did Freeman play good enough to win? Below 50% completion percentage is good enough to win? I am just not buying this anymore.....I understand there is plenty of blame to go around but at some point you have to go and win games as a quarterback. Freeman continues to show inaccuracy and this manifests on the short routes and are drive killers. We have a tough time sustaining drives because he has a tough time getting off his initial reads, disrupting the timing of the routes (i.e. when the windows are open) and most of all ball placement. Rex was stuffing the box, and these were the numbers that Freeman had against all those run fronts. I admit, the o line played terrible, but most qbs would have made the JETS pay for all those blitzes and dropping the safety down. How many wins would you predict if we could switch out qbs with anyone else in the NFC south? We can blame a lot of things that went wrong today, but we need a lot more out of the qb position and he most certainly did not play good enough to win.
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    But they were winning until a mental error penalty gave the Jets a chance at the FG. You can say he didn't play great, but he made just enough plays to take the lead with :38 seconds, so technically he played good enough to win. Now if he plays great they win by 20 points, I will give you that.
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    Look, Lavonte David's penalty DID lose the game. It's true. No penalty, we win. It's a fact. Lavonte David knows it too. It was a terrible mistake. Doesn't mean he's not a gifted young player who played his heart out, doesn't mean he won't soon be a Pro Bowl LB. Does mean that penalty lost the game. I thought the entire OL was horrible. Luke Stocker was terrible. The coaching staff's failure to adjust on offense was horrible. So many things to feel bad about. The Bucs were not ready to play in New York, not prepared. There is NO excuse for that. That IS much worse than Lavonte's game losing penalty and Buccaneer fans have a lot to be disappointed about. Waited seven months for THAT? NOT ACCEPTABLE!
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    I agree Garv. Everyone played horrible. Down to the coaches. Its not all Freemans fault. This game was a "should" win game. No we might as well look to loses the next couple of weeks. I do seeing us coming back out with fire in our hearts to play the saints and pats! This is the wake up call sort of speak, this is me thinking they said you know what, we need to play better, and synchronize!
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    I was very disappointed in how poorly prepared this offense was. The play calling in the second half was horrible. They should have been more aggressive at the end to get a first down. Then the field goal could have ended the game. Shiano should have learned from last year to not leave the door open for a comeback. The defense has not learned how to close out games yet. The three man rush at the end was a mistake. No pressure on Smith and they couldn't contain him.
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    Mark, I never chime in much anymore but still follow you guys here from time to time. I will throw in my two cents. You will not agree with it, but I feel it's more accurate than your opinion. I'm not saying the coaching staff's decision to not play starters more in the preseason contributed to this, but seriously, do you obviously believe that? If that's true then why didn't Revis struggle? He missed all four games. Here's the truth. The LG is much different now than 10-15 years ago. QB are the most important contributing factor to any teams success given the FACT the LG has input rules specifically designed to protect them and to create higher scoring shoot out games. The LG does not want 6-3 final scores, and the days are gone you will ever see the 2000 Ravens win a SUPERBOWL. The issue with this team is Freeman. 15-31 passes is 48% completion percentage. With the talent at WR and an above average young RB, it's not acceptable for him to have these types of games. It should be clear he's not a leader, he's not consistent enough to be a starting QB in this LG, and it should be clear to most by now. Just think about this. Of all the starting QB's in week 1, ONLY the Jags Blaine Gabbert had a worse Comp % and he played with a broke thumb.
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    Freeman is certainly not without blame. He played like Josh plays. He played just good enough to win. There were really no surprises, but again I say, the Jets told everyone what they were going to do, and Tampa had no answer. Why continue to bang your head against the wall with Martin? Where were any plays called to work the middle of the field? Where was any creativity within the offense? Appreciate you chiming in Bucfan47 and don't be a stranger.
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    Agree with you there. It was not the staff's best game. But there are plenty of examples of teams attempting to execute a gameplan on defense and failing to actually do it on gameday. Selling out to stop the run is even more reason to criticize the QB play bc more opportunities should be there in the passing gm. This team is run first, and I don't disagree with the philosophy so much but when it comes time to pass Freeman is simply not getting it done. Way too many teams with lesser talent playing better today. E.J. Manuel, Geno Smith, the list goes on for 30 QB's having better consistent days than our guy. It's time to move on and until they do this team from what I see is going to struggle. I know it's only one gm, so I'm going to hold back somewhat, but this is NOT a good sign for the future of Josh Freeman.
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    Where was the middle of the field passing game? no tight ends or third down WR ever existed. This was Freemans best when he came in to the league. Throwing down the middle and hitting K2 and Spurlock. Why does Stocker suck so bad?
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    Freeman has a TE only blocks and so doesn't pull the safeties down from over the top coverage because draws no respect and he cant run a seam route. Plus the slot receiver cant catch a ball period. That is two big offensive pieces that force him to throw to two recievers that are always running into too much coverage. Not his fault....Dominick is to blame.
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    I agree with the comments about the coaching staff. This team wasn't ready to play. I'd expect more cohesion in the 1st preseason game. I'm generally considered a "sunshine pumper" but the fact that this team looked good one play and a complete mess the next 2-3 plays, has me really concerned. I hope they can pull it together, they seem like they have the talent, but if I had to bet my money would be on a very high draft pick next April.
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    The big issue is Penn, it looks line it's over for him. And I'm glad Freeman is not on this list, but Doug Martin should be. He was just completely exposed. There is no way the Bucs can build an offense around that guy. He's garbage. What we have with the Bucs is simple: its a team that had 6 good weeks offensively last year where they put up good stats and pretended it was the start of a new era. In reality, the team has an average QB, the worst O line (and O line coach) in pro football, a rb that's mediocre at best, two slow receivers and a third receiver that can't catch. Other than the Jags and Raiders, the Bucs easily have the worst offensive personnel in the league.
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    I'm sorry, I generally try to bite my tongue, but anyone calling out Doug Martin after this debacle was not watching the same game I saw. Really? Not the GM, nor the personnel evaluators, nor the overrated OL, nor the DL, nor the QB, nor the coaching staff, nor the TEs etc but you point to Doug Martin being garbage?........ On another team, where Joseph and Penn aren't anointed special because they are better than the rest of our line (as opposed to the talent on other teams), there would be lanes to run thru and The Douganator would be a force. Heck, he will end up being a >1,000 yard back this yr despite the fact our OL is so-so and QB is erratic.... Who on our roster could start (not be a backup) on a real team? Martin is one of the clearest answers to that question, behind VJax..... While Josh will probably heat up for a handful of games later in the yr, the loss today likely tipped the scales, you may have seen the end of an era, not dissimilar to the end of the Dilfer/Testeverde eras. You are looking at next yr's starting QB in JAX, or some other team bereft of talent, not Schiano's guy. Since Schi only has one more yr at most after this train wreck, I can't blame him if he makes a change, and I hope Glennon can bulk up enough in the offseason to withstand the beating in '14 because he is next man up, like it or not..... Go Bucs, love the team and am a long distance ticket holder, but as I've been saying for two yrs it is painfully obvious Josh doesn't have the capacity to play QB at a high enough level to tie up our salary cap for the next 5 yrs. Apologies for my earlier, more frustrated post.
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    Every wide receiver and tight end besides Jackson and Williams should be on this list. Their play is absolutely unacceptable and give freeman and our two stud wr's no help. We have no competent receiving threats outside of those two and that will continue to plague us. Williams can be covered by a good cb and teams can just double jackson and then we literally wont be able to throw the ball. Imagine if jackson got hurt how bad our passing game would be. In today's NFL you need more than just two capable options in the passing game, granted we have a top 10 starting duo, but our other options are arguably the worst in the league. Depth is a major concern for this offense and I worry it will be our downfall, and freeman will end up taking the hit for it.
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    It's the trademark of uninformed fans to heap all of the pressure and blame upon the shoulders of their QB. There were way more alarming aspects of this game than Freeman's performance. He was good enough to win the game, despite the absence of a running game and terrible pass protection for much of the game. On a more positive note, the pass-rush looked a lot better; they got significant pressure for much of the game against a talented offensive line. McCoy and Clayborn exceeded expectations.
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    I am in full agreement with your remarks on the Coaching Staff. That was very well said and hit the mark. I take slight disagreement with putting David on the "Most Disappointing" List. Yes, his penalty was crucial. However, I believe we'll see a lot of talk this week about how weak that call was. In the last 2 minutes of a game, a ref should not toss a personal foul flag unless it was flagrant. In this case, the QB was essentially a RB and David gave him a shove. OK, maybe it was a flash too late. But the Jets were hoping up and down like crazy and I knew the home town flag would flutter down, and yup, it did. And it was lame.
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    I saw Penn getting reamed on the sideline. I hope he can regroup and play better. Otherwise we may lose Freeman to injury from a really bad sack. Btw, very few sports writer's who tell it like it is remain liked. Just ask Ira Kaufman or Howard Cosell. Or, Mark Cook.....lol!!
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    It's opening weekend. Can we at least try to not make it seem like the sky is falling?
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    Freeman was Freeman, good, bad, just enough to win but not enough to put the Jets away. What is the surprise? In Freeman's defense, the Bucs could not run the ball. Also the playcalling was suspect, to be kind. But there were poor decisions, overthrows and inconsistent play. I pin this one on the Bucs coaching staff. Freeman could have done better but he also could have had help. He was average. 15-for-31, 1 TD, 1 pick. If the Bucs win, maybe he is on the most impressive list for leading another 4th Q comeback. Just the way I see it.
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    I agree with you Mark about the Coaching. Freeman got one legit TD, the other was a "thank you Defense" and Martin runs it in for two yards. Yes we got a Field Goal thanks to Freeman, but it was Vjax who made the long run happen. You are right about Freeman was Freeman. So is that kind of norm acceptable? I just don't think Freeman should get away with his errors and David and Johnson each get it for one error each. Yes the OLine was bad, but Freeman takes so long to make a decision (like run or who else should I throw it to), he doesn't help the OLine either. Freeman is becoming more and more like a statue; maybe that is Sullivan fault?
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    Again I put this game on the coaches. If he is afraid to run, it is because the coaches say no. Sure Josh could have made the disappointing list..no doubt. But here is deal horse – Damned if I do, damned if I don't. Half the readers love Josh, half don't. I don't have a horse in any race. I am just writing my opinion. If Josh doesn't lead them to the last FG, yeah he is on the list for sure. Overall the whole game he was average. Good throw followed by a bad one. That equals 15-for-31. Even the most passionate Freeman critic would have to say the playcalling, pass protection and lack of a running game isn't conducive to winning on the road even against a bad team. Where were the tight ends, the No. 3 receiver and really Mike Williams in the second half? Take care man, time for bed!
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    If we get lucky and come back in the 4th Q you think he would be on your list as most impressive? Really? How many passes were poorly thrown today? And the preseason? And last yr?..... 'Good/bad' isn't good enough when QB play drives every team in the league. Ask the Vikes who are 0-1 despite having the best RB in all the land..... C'mon, enough. He isn't accurate enough, and if you go thru your own site's quotes from players and coaches about Free it's clear he is still trying to get the offense completely nailed down.... Josh isn't consistent or accurate enough to take the team to the promised land. I'm not overreacting to one game, I have been saying this consistently. We must not resign Josh, else we will end up having wasted 7-8 yrs on this project. Ridiculous. Embarrassing.
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    Where's Freeman for Disappointing when he threw that interception right to the DB? So less than a 50% completion is acceptable? Freeman was immobile, lethargic, panic when he couldn't receive the play to call from the helmet? Totally disagree with you Mark leaving Freeman out.
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    You're straight lost if you're trying to pin this loss on Freeman. He didn't disappoint for the majority of the contest. The only things that he could've improved were the accuracy of his check down passes and the speed of his progression (even the latter is a stretch). That O-line was actually awful this game, especially early on. Freeman did what he could with what he was given, as did Martin.
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    I was disappointed in Freeman, again. When you are in a contract year and you are outplayed by a rookie back up qb in his first start throwing to stars like Kellen Winslow.....you have problems. Smith showed more accuracy, mobility, leadership, guts, and better decision making than Freeman. Freeman had an inexcusable pick that changed the course of the game and he didn't complete half his passes. He only lead 2 scoring drives the entire game. Does he have any friends on the team?Seeing him by himself on the sideline made me embarrassed for the organization for not bringing in a legitimate qb to compete this year. Until Freeman comes out of the closet or finds some other way to get his head straight, the Bucs will flounder
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    Luke Stocker has been really disappointing to me. He takes plays off and doesn't work to get open during passing plays. But the biggest thing for me is josh freeman. His body language and deer in the headlights look just won't cut it. The man plays in an avoid mistakes at all costs fashion and not in a make plays at every opportunity fashion like the great QBs do. He sure takes his sweet time before he snaps the ball. You look at other great QBs and their all hiking it with 10-15 seconds left on the play clock where freeman waits till the last damn minute every time and give the defense more of a rest. Plus our play calling is so predictable with our formation it gives the D more time to know what's coming. Also, I love Schiano ways but I'm seriously changing my views on him after watching his press conferences. He blows so much smoke up our asses people think I'm having a Bon fire over here. Today he talked about freeman and used the excuse of "the jets bring a lot on D". I would rather have him say we sucked than make an excuse bc that was the reality today... On a positive side I got nothing but love for David. He will make up for this game without a doubt. Good to see that kind of passion and you can tell he's gonna be great someday. I thought our D line faired well. AC looks tough. Our secondary hits the *censored* out of people and that's fun to watch. Our D played to win but our coaching and offense was scared today. Time to man up and stop pussyfooting around when we have the ball. Hurry it up, more quick passes, more swings, more slants, and more quick passes none of this send 3 WRs thirty yards downfield on cheese noodle routes. Go bucs!
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    You guys aren't going to be too popular at OBP but that is surely a big part of the problem.
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