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September 11, 2013 @ 9:26 pm
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Is The Freeman Era In Tampa Bay Coming To An End?

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Mark Cook

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Is the tenure as starting quarterback for the Buccaneers coming to an end for Josh Freeman? Things are starting to point in that direction. Freeman missed the Bucs annual team photo last week and this wasn't the first time Freeman dropped the ball on a commitment.
You hear of players in sports wasting golden opportunities and throwing away potential millions of dollars on a regular basis. All you can do is shake you head, wonder why and say, what a shame.

Former Bucs safety Tanard Jackson was a perfect example. Jackson literally smoked away millions of dollars over the last few years because he couldn’t put the weed down.

And now another Buccaneer, quarterback Josh Freeman, appears to be heading down the same path. Not with drugs, but instead with an aloof attitude and a lack of consideration to ownership, coaches his teammates and just as importantly, Bucs fans.

PewterReport.com can confirm that Freeman missed the annual team photo prior to the team vote on captains last week. How does that happen?

Think that didn’t affect his teammates vote?

Think again.

But this isn’t the first time Freeman let people down. How about over 100 kids last June who’s parents plunked down $149 for their children to participate in Freeman’s annual football camp? Freeman showed up at the very end of the first session claiming he had car problems. A multi-millionaire and he only has one car? No friends to give him a ride? Not enough cash to, at the very least, call a cab?

I noticed.

My son noticed.

The other kids and parents noticed.

The Buccaneers organization noticed.

His head coach noticed.

And as a result, barring some type of reconciliation, Freeman is set to start the last of his 15 games of his Buccaneers career Sunday.

If he even gets those 15 games.

For those who have said head coach Greg Schiano was being too hard on Freeman and wasn’t married to his quarterback – put yourself in his place. Schiano is a 24-hour-a-day obsessed football guy. It appears as if Freeman isn’t. But certain things can be overlooked.

Players and coaches do not have to love each other. They didn’t even have to like each other. But they do need to have the same focus, agenda and willingness to work for the common goal of winning a Super Bowl.

Freeman, by his actions, doesn’t.

Is it the end of the world that Freeman was late to his own youth camp? No.

 Is it the end of the world Freeman, for whatever reason, didn’t make it to his team photo? No.

But if you are the Buccaneers are you committing millions of dollars annually to a guy who doesn’t have the decency to show up for these types of commitments?

I’m not.

The Glazer family, general manager Mark Dominik and Schiano most likely aren’t either.

It is truly a shame. Freeman has the personality and talent to win over fans across the Tampa Bay area and beyond. But his lack of consideration – and recent play on the field – more than likely have sealed his fate as a lame-duck quarterback in Tampa Bay. Keep in mind this is Freeman's contract year and he has millions of dollars at stake.

Maybe Freeman is dealing with some personal demons. Maybe Freeman is burned out on the game of football. Maybe he can’t stand to be in the same room with Schiano.

And maybe, somehow Freeman rescues the season, takes the team on his back and carries them to the postseason.

And maybe I win a Pulitzer.

Freeman is a good guy. I have spent enough time around him on and off the field to know this. Or at least I want to believe it. Maybe there are valid reasons.

Maybe I am barking up the wrong tree. No one wants to be more wrong about this story than I. But more than one person locally and nationally says something just isn't right about the current state of the franchise. Scott Reynolds reported something wasn't right with Schiano and his relationship with the players on Monday on PewterReport.com following the 18-17 loss in New York. It is beginning to become clearer to myself things aren't right over at One Buccaneer Place.

Make no mistake, something that some may see as inconsequential as missing an appointment of this importance, does affect the chemistry of a team. How can you expect to earn the respect and assume a leadership role and not show up for the team photo – with emphasis on team?

Somehow the other 52 guys were able to clear their schedule and show up for the photo.

Players on Thursday when asked about it will say it is not really a big deal. Schiano will put on his positive face and continue to deflect the criticism of Freeman by saying it isn't a big deal. And maybe it isn’t.

But it seems like it matters.

It matters to his organization.

It matters to his coaches.

In a contract year, with a franchise hanging their hopes on No. 5, it should matter to Freeman.

But his actions, not once, but twice, can only lead the fans and his head coach to believe it doesn’t matter to Freeman.

You're a likable, talented guy with a rocket arm. Prove me wrong, Josh. Prove your detractors wrong.

And if you don't? Then that’s a shame.
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    Freeman will wake up this Sunday and put everyone to shame for thinking he is finished. With all the negative surrounding him, and a contract year, he better get it together Quick, or no NFL future at all if not the BUCS. Go Bucs and #itsabucslife #beatthesaints
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    Can anyone name me a college coach since Jimmy Johnson that was successful jumping from college to the pros? Think hard, I'll wait...If Josh leaves he will probably follow the steps of Doug Williams, Steve Young, and I hate to say it Trent Dilfer. He will go to another team and have great success that he couldn't achieve in Tampa. Why is Josh better in the crunch situation of a 4th quarter drive? Because in desperation the coaches have to just let him play, and stop trying to control the situation. He is free to move around, keep the play alive, and take what the defense gives him. What will end up happening is that we will let Josh walk, then Schiano will continue to be a subpar coach, and he will be shown the door. Then we are left with a rebuilding effort once again because free agents won't be attracted to a shaky situation, and the big names we have will jet at first opportunity. If you go look at some old Rutgers film this team is looking a lot like those teams. A lot of talent that doesn't seem to translate to the wins they should get. Coincidence?
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    its not too early to talk NFL DRAFT 2014. I WOULD LIKE TO PUT IN TWO NAMES THAT TAMPA COULD USED. QB FROM GEORGIA-MURRAY (hb plant high school) AND FSU RB A JR. JAMES WILDER JR SON OF JAMES WILDER THE BUCS GREAT. I FEEL THAT BOTH OF THESE PLAYERS WOULD BE A POSITIVE ADDITIONAL NEXT YEAR. I BELIEVE THAT WILDER JR. WOULD BRING FANS BACK INTO THE STANDS, PLUS QB MURRAY WHO PLAYED HIS HIGH SCHOOL DAYS AT MY SCHOOL HB PLANT. HOW ABOUT IT WRITERS AND SPORTS FANS. GLENNON WOULD BE THE STARTER AND MURRAY WOULD BACK UP GLENNON AT QB NEXT YEAR AND WILDER JR WOULD BE A GREAT ADDITIONAL TO OUR OTHER RB WHO STARTS. I THINK IN BETWEEN THOSE TWO PLAYER-TAMPA SHOULD GO AFTER MLB, ANOTHER OC OR MULT LINEMAN POSITIONS. THAT WOULD BE A HECK OF GREAT DRAFT, GO BUCS.GLH
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    Georgehicks: I doubt the Bucs will end up with either of those players....not b/c theycaren't good, but b/c the Bucs have never considered where a player has come from. As a USF grad, I had hope they would draft Pierre-Paul, George Selvie, Mike Jenkins, to name a few.
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    Gee kids I'd like to give you a refund but you know that aint gunna happen. Tell us some funny jokes clown . Do you pattern your game after Uncle Rico?
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    "Sigh"
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    i dont know if anyone else watched the pats and jets, but it was eye opening to see how normal the jets D made tom brady look, even if he was missing some key components on offense. lets give the team a couple games to see if we can right the ship before declaring the season lost. as embarrassing as our opening season loss was i can see some positives to be had. ive been a bucs fan for as long as ive loved football and ive felt alot worse about teams then i feel about this one.
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    OK, so in one article, Scott is saying it's all Schiano's fault, but in this one, it's all Freeman's fault. Which is it? Was Freeman playing running back, O-line, tight end, wide receiver, and all of defense this past Sunday? Did he call the plays? Did he cause the snap to be way off target? Did he hit a guy out of bounds? He did not play his best game, I easily concede that point. But, did ANY position? I think Scott's article makes way more sense than this one. Freeman deserves some of the blame for last week's tire fire of a game, but so does every single other starter. This was a team loss from the coaches down to player 53 on the roster. No one looked prepared, especially the game plan. And, yes, micromanaging a QB CAN destroy him. If he can't call audibles, or run when he feels like he should, or has to follow a strict progression regardless of what the defense is doing, this will make any QB look awful. Freeman may not be Payton Manning, but he's no Ryan Leaf, either. Oh, and I seem to remember a ton of articles about how hard he's working this offseason and how he's giving back to the community and fans. Maybe leave the bitterness out of the column next time. Scott was guilty of this in his last column, too. (The part about the media schedule) You guys are better than that.
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    The players only meeting seems to me hard to read between the lines. The only thing I can find for sure is the stories as reported by Josh Freeman and Coach Schiano are the same(at Bucs.com). All I can say is that the players need to understand individually, that you take care of yourself; meaning do your job at least; cause you don't know how things are going to go even with the team doing well; competition is competition; put your resume on the game tape at least.
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    IS THE FREEMAN ERA COMING TO AN END--Y E S!!! And the sooner the better.
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    Yes . And also Schiano and lets get the best QB in the draft which should not be hard from where we will end up and put up the money to hire a quality coach. If we don't it means the Glazers do not care.
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    The article asks the question,"Is the Freeman era coming to an end in Tampa?" I sure hope the answer is yes. The guy has been erratic at best and has no fire. He often looks lost out there. I am no expert, just a fan who has watched the Bucs since before Josh Freeman was born. Those of you that think Freeman will be a Superbowl QB somewhere else must not have watched the guy play. He isn't being utilized wrong. He isn't without a great supporting cast. He just looks lost out there and he causes the Bucs to lose games. If the Bucs were up by 20 points vs the Jets, and they should have been, it wouldn't have mattered that David shoved Geno SMith at the end. David would have watched Smith walk out of bounds because it wouldn't have mattered. No mental error on David being levied, no blame for Goldson's aggressive play, no problems. Freeman seems to only be able to complete less than 50% of his passes and that is NO ONE ELSE'S FAULT but FREEMAN's.
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    The answer is unfortuately IMHO YES.
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    @Surferdudes: Your first sentence regarding how important the relationship between the QB and head coach is absolutely correct,, and is exactly what the Patriots owner said yesterday...and he should know!!
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    Honestly, this drama is a bunch of BS! This guys need to quit worrying about their relationships with freeman and schiano and start putting all of their focus on preparing to play the saints. Players meetings are a complete waste of time, and who gives a crap if they like their coaches! Quit whining and politicking! If josh doesn't snap out of it put glennon in and move forward, no player is more important than the team. Don't throw the season away just do your fing jobs
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    ever heard of Team Chemistry?
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    Mark Cook, According to PFT, Ira Kaufman expressed an opinion on SiriusXM Radio yesterday that adds some fuel to the player-only meeting. As a consequence, some ugly rumors are starting to emerge about Josh Freeman. I don't want you to report on the rumors, but could you put up something that explains what Kaufman said and give PRs take on it?
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    I often find my self in disagreement with many of you guys, but you're all showing a lot of thought and passion in these comments. Yes, Freeman has lost his spirit.macabee and scubug, you guys NAILED IT!!!! There is nothing I can add to your comments.
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    Remember-Barber, Brooks, Sapp, Lynch and co. all started the legacy of our beloved run of the past with an 0-5 record before everything started to click. I'm going to be patient and let the rest of you be the motivation for now. I agree with a lot of these comments stating the issues as they are issues and I too am impatient with wanting to see some results. But, let's roll with the only option we as true fans have which is supporting and believing. None of us want to put our hearts out there to something that has the possibility to disappoint but what other option do we have? As a fan of the Buccaneers I like to think of us as part of that locker room. I sure as Hell wouldn't want whiny little teammates like some of you standing next to me while I'm busting my hump to get myself and my team on the right track. We're a family. I may not like you sometimes but I love ya and want nothing but the best for this unit. I realize having blind faith puts us in a vulnerable position and that all the little chicken talk of the sky is falling is only an immature defense mechanism. But this Sunday, at least 15/16ths of this season and the future of this franchise are going to come regardless. Why not be there in support instead of sulking in the corner. Seems like an empty threat you'd give a girl friend after a fight, "I'm out of here", even though you know you'll be back. Have some integrity and foresight. Like it or not we love this team and we aren't going anywhere. Be part of the solution.
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    I've never seen team support unravel so fast for any team. I guess that's what losing to the Jets with a QB making his first start will do. I say team support and not the team because we really don't know for sure what's going on with the team and how they'll perform going forward. I am off the Freeman bandwagon but he has all the time in the world to salvage his job if he really wants it. I may not want him as my starting QB anymore but it's not up to me, it's up to him.
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    For Sale: personally autographed by Josh Freeman Tampa Bay Buccaneer player jersey in glass display case. CHEAP.
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    For Sale; same as above but the throwback jersey version. Come on, come all!
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    Very good article Mark. I do believe Freeman has regressed mentally but looking at his stats they seem to show consistently his inconsistent play, even under Raheem. The expectation of Freeman evolving into perhaps greatness due to his physical attributes seem far fetched now, but why? My take is this: Business (like football) has mangers (coaches) that believe or instill, in order to connect with workers (players), that they must ALWAYS be positive. No matter what happens spin things away from accountability and make it something else. Raheem did this with Josh. Raheem was married to his qb. Raheem NEVER held Josh accountable. I have worked with and under managers that have done the same type of ALL positive approach in dealings with workers and I have never seen it work out. Josh is finally being held accountable. Make no mistake Schiano would love to see Freeman succeed but Freeman is also being held accountable. When something like this has been happening for years people (players) become acclimated to it. It is very hard to change a person (player) when accountability is introduced while under this circumstance. In short, Freeman has not changed at all, he is the same player he has always been; inconsistent. He is being held accountable and cannot accept what that entails as a qb in the NFL. Sometimes people (players) can change and become great but only in another environment and only if the player really wants to own up to his mistakes, take accountability, and still possess the great physical attributes someone like Josh has. It is a shame and I truly hope for the first time in my life I am wrong (ha!) and Josh turns things around for himself and shows real leadership. When difficulty arises it takes leaders to lead in order to turn things around and perhaps this is why Josh is not a captain..leaders take on accountability.
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    I think we just set a record for most use of the word "WOW" on PR....wow!
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    Yep, did mine on purpose. Wow.
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    Wow. I think the Bucs have talent, but if the coaching staff, media, fans, etc. are taking the fun out of football for Freeman, that is a shame. I still believe that number 5 could be the franchise QB. I thought Schiano was a big mistake on day one, and I still stand by my posted observations. Worst coach hire in Bucs history except maybe Ray Perkins/Richard Williamson. Too bad Chip Kelly turned us down, look how much fun the Eagle players were having in week one. Wow so sad.
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    arizonajoe, I agree with you . Schiano may have changed the culture, but he certainly is struggling in making it a winning culture. I really think that we have a lot of talent and its being misused, basically wasted. They could be much better, they should have been much better. I expected them to be much better and was shocked to see the Jets game, not so much the defense, as they played fairly well, penalties aside, but those are going to happen. It is the offense that makes no sense.
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    Kinley, keep waiting for that Freeman bus to show up. Ask those kids,camp Freeman,ask his team mates, where's Free for the team photo?, they'll tell you that bus isn't going to show up.
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    Wow! Here we go...... A week ago I was looking forward to what I thought was going to be a great season, fun to be at the Ray Jay, winning games on the way to getting a home playoff game again. I believed that, I believed it since the end of the last game with the Falcons in January. We added Goldson, Revis, addressed weaknesses. DAMN IT! A week later and we hear this......... There is only ONE WAY OUT! ONE WAY! Josh and the Buccaneers have to win at home this Sunday. The crowd will WANT to support the team but I'm telling you that if it starts slow, with missed passes to open receivers it will get NASTY! I'm beginning to understand Coach's reluctance to fully embrace Josh. Missing a team photo is NOT cool and said something to the rest of the team. No wonder he wasn't elected team captain after that. Well, Josh has painted him self into a corner but can get out of it. How? By performing like the franchise QB he wants to be and earning the contract he wants. ONE WAY OUT! I have not given up yet but I am having serious doubts and for all this to happen in one week? Well, it SUCKS! THREE DAYS! NO EXCUSES!
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    @Garv: Well said. Not sure I agree with your assessment that the Bucs "addressed weaknesses" b/c they put all their chips in on Revis (although so far so good), and have big weaknesses @ TE, 3rd receiver, DE to name a few. Still, they can BEGIN to turn things around with a victory over NO. Go Bucs!
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    What's interesting in all of this is the silence from Dom and the Glaziers. I haven't heard a peep from them; they haven't come out and backed the coach or emphatically defended this vote or all that the coach is doing. So maybe Josh is on his way out the door but I think Schiano won't be to far behind him!!!!
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    @veeJay24.....Dominik too....probably why you haven't heard much from him....
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    It's disappointing that most fans are turning on Freeman at this point, as the TEAM is very likely to go 0-3 to start the season, after the bad Jets loss. I can already hear the cries for Glennon to start over the early bye week. I am still holding out hope that Josh will pick up his game and finish off the season strong. But if he is being run out of town, mostly due to lack of performance, then so be it. It's just hard as a fan to start over behind another young QB after we invested so much ($, time, and cheering) in our 2009 first rounder. Fingers crossed going forward, but maybe the team/staff/fans are sucking the life and passion out of him?
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    Everyone keeps saying 0-3? I havent looked at the schedule~ but whom do we play in the 4th game??? Irrigationless~ prob will be like an 0-4 start? Then who? 0-5 start? and then? ............
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    wow guys - wow. One game in to the season and we've already flipped to rebuilding mode. Make no mistake, at some point I may too flip to rebuilding mode...but after 1 game...wow. Fact is Freeman is the best statistical QB we've ever had....and whatever issues he's having personally, and/or with Schiano, he is our best chance to win football games....Mike Glennon is not the answer. Freeman may have missed the photo and part of his camp (although I seem to recall he called up his good buddy VJax to step in for him that day - Mark is that not true? -....not a bad substiutue...the likes of Johnny Football would simply not show up...just ask the Mannings). Let's give this season a little more chance than 1 game before the panic begins. Freeman was not great against the Jets top-5 pass defense from 2012 (although he did give us the lead with 40 seconds left), but our defense gave up 18 points including a game winning drive to a really really really really bad offense...I would be shocked if the Jets get double digit points tonight. Let's not make our own planks and jump off the ship voluntarily here fellas...
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    Nice to hear the perspective, East End. With more losses likely early in the season, I fear the masses will want a scapegoat....and who do you think that would be?
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    @nmkinley: I may also be looking for a scapegoat with more losses...but I'm willing to wait to build the plank for at least a few more weeks...at 0-4 by the bye week I will probably be stringing up Free, Schiano and Dom and dreaming of Bridgewater, Lovie, and Holmgren...but until then I am keeping my boards and nails firmly locked away and my faith in our QB...
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    Jonny Football=Jon Gruden!
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    Incredible, it doesn't take real Q.B.'s three years to produce in the NFL anymore, where you been? We just got schooled by a rookie whose team mates sung his praises. Wilson, RG, Luck, the list is endless, if Glennon sucks, we suck, draft a top Q.B. in the first round he'll have a veteran team around him where he could succeed right away. Why can't we hit on the next great Q.B. coming out of college?
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    I can't think of a more important component on a football team then between a head coach, and his Q.B..I do think they need to like one another, but more importantly respect one another. Doesn't matter what Josh thinks, but no way does Schiano respect Josh. I've said all a long Josh would need to win 2 out of four to keep his job before the bye. If that number get's to 0-3, Glennon gets the start at home against the Cards, and beyond.
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    @Surferdudes: Your first sentence regarding how important the relationship between the QB and head coach is absolutely correcy, and is exactly what the Patriots owner said yesterday...and he should know!!
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    This may be the most bizarre 3 weeks in team history (and that's saying something with the Bucs). What the hell has happened in a 21 day period to take everyone from generally optimistic to total hang-dog? Folks, if Freeman isn't our guy then we might as well all come back in 3 years which is how long it takes to break in an NFL QB to a new team. This is crazy. He just needs to play a little bit better and we can be a good team. Why is everyone throwing hand grenades at this team. There's no going back from some of this. Can we all take a deep breath?
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    It doesn't take "3 years to break in an NFL QB to a new team." Basically 4, yes 4 rookie QBs led their teams to the playoffs last season, and 1 to the SB. Stop w/the "well, if it's not Freeman, it will set this franchise back years." Newsflash, Freeman has already set this franchise back at least 5 w/his play since he's been a Buc...he stinks...I'm baffled that some fans either don't see the same or refuse to admit as much.
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    3 Years ??????? Andrew Luck? RG111/ Cam newton? Who else?......
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    JOsh didn't nail the guy out of bounds. How upsetting that all this bad talk has surfaced at the beginning of the season. Started with the none contract talks, which I can understand but publically Coach has NOT done a good job of keeping the issues in check. How would you feel in Josh's shoes to be bombarded with negativity all through the camp and preseason. Not defending, just understanding. Maybe he has checked out on coach, not too sure I blame him for that. I've always had my doubts about bringing in a college coach, it seems to either work GREAT or fail miserably. Too bad us fans have to watch it as it happens. Time will tell. I'm coming to Tampa end of the month for my 40th High School reunion, and Planned to be at the Cardinals game. I've traveled all over the mid-west supporting the BUCS but I'm actually having second thoughts about wasting a days vacation at Ray Jay....that is sad. Right the ship.......it's not the wins and losses I am so upset about it's the way we are playing the game. It's not Josh that calls the plays....it's not the receivers who call the routes....it's the coaches that make the grand scheme and right now we seem to be way behind the curve on coaching, almost Bush league at times. AAAARRRRRRGGGGHHHHHHH!!!!! Mutiny is brewing in the trenches. Wake up Captain Coach.....I see a plank being readied. GO BUCS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    Agreed! As in GW Bush Leagued! Least we arent talkin about the Deaths (Murders) of innocent women and Children! :-(
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    Mark, could you find out if Josh is told not to run. In 2010 when things broke down or he couldn't find a receiver within 3 seconds, he took off and got as many yards as he could. In the last 3 years he stays in the pocket to long and either forces a pass and it gets picked or takes a sack. That then puts the BUCS in 2nd or 3rd in long. Let me say this before I make my comment. I was and to an extent still a believer in Coach Schiano. But I really believe he might be responsible for Josh looking like a deer in the headlights. This team BADLY needed discipline and he brought that last year. But he needs to let up a tad bit. I believe Josh is scared to make a mistake or call his own play. As a Noncomissioned Officer in the Army, when I got new privates in, I cut them Zero slack and instilled discipline in them. As they learned the right way of doing things and knew if they messed up, I would chew their a$$, I let up on them. I took care of them and had their back no matter what, they loved working for me. So when real bullets started to fly, they knew what they needed to do, even in the absence of orders. So if Coach Schiano, doesn't start to let up and trust his players to do the job without him barking orders, he will lose this team very fast. GO BUCS and lets beat those sorry a$$ saints. NO FLY ZONE HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED!!!!!
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    Great point gibsonmx. I think Schiano is the one who has not made any adjustments to put trust, belief, and accountability in his players who by and large have listened and bought into everything he preaches. But when you have 24 coaches micro managing details to the point players cant play to their potential, or better yet, arent put in a position to max their potential, what good is it all?
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    And what other players on this team have these issues casued by our so-called micro managing coach that affected their on field performance. None. Who else has let the coach get in their head and made them perform poorly? Was Schiano responsible for Josh's 2011 performance? probably not. Yes execution needs to be greatly improved but the effort was certainly there.
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    The MILITARY Approach IS what has Scrambled these Players Minds! They ARE KIDS!! Who did NOT sign up to be Brain washed! Most are multi Millionaires! Seems 98% of the coaching staff are ex military? I worried bout that as the "Staff" was being assembled! The Military Approach? Poaches the Minds of Gifted "Free Thinking" individuals! Lets "About Face!!!!?" Joker Freeman Step Forward Son!!!!!!!! The kids probably soiled his pants! He Did Not Sign Up for Brain Washing!!!!! gibsonmx??? Get back to your Apocolypse Now Movie!! SON!!!!! Please do NOT grace the Hallowed Halls of individualism~ Until!!!! Further Orders!!!! My Father was a Marine! I wanted to Join the Armed services at one point in my Life!! He Wisely!!~ Steered me Clear of "In prisoned Thinking!" Carry On Soldier!!! AND~ With ALL Sincerity! Thank You For Your Service To OUR country!!!! I would NOT have the Freedom of Speech I have today~ If not For Men and Women Like yourself! Again!!! I Thank You!
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    I hope the light turns on soon for Josh.
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    I have to laugh when fans say Schiano has taken that moxie, or swagger out of Josh's game. They say coaches micro managing ways have left him a shell of his once confident self. Why don't we blame Dr Evil? Wasn't it him who stole Austin Powers mo jo? The truth is you can't shake an alfa male. The difference between Josh, and let's say Drew Brees, is the same difference between Dwight Howard, and Kobe Bryant. Could any coach shake up Kobe, kill his confidence? On the other hand Howard shrunk under the pressure in L.A., and left. When the going gets tough, the tough get going. The weak shrink at the challenge, and leave town. Josh's play has always been up, and down, what I've noticed lately is the losing seems to no longer bother him. Look at his presser from the Jet game. He's smiling throwing out the same B.S. excuses. He's not a captain because he's not man enough to put the blame on his shoulders, whether he deserves it or not. I'd have respect for him if he said that pick of mine before the half turned the game, and I promise the fans, and my team mates I'm working hard to correct these mistakes. I also want a toilet made out of solid gold, but it's just not in the cards baby. Another Powers reference.
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    I have to agree. We need players that come out and man up and take the blame, even when it might not be their fault. That is what a leader/captain does. We need someone in the locker room stand up and give a Tebow type speech like after they lost to Ole Miss. No I am not saying we need Tebow, just someone to give a speech similar to what he gave after that loss in 2008.
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    Gosh! That Figures!! Pure military thinking!
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    There was no fire in the bell of the offense. No nastiness and no agression. The blocking by the OL was horribly pathetic. Davin Joseph, a captain, played tentatively and got no push all day long. Ogletree, who is supposed to be a clutch receiver made me yearn for Michael Clayton. Luke Stroker totally disappeared. Do not make the mistake of putting this all on Josh. That's too easy. The offense was not ready to play and that is on the coaches. There is something wrong. Is the offensive scheme too intellectual and not enough smash mouth? Is our college OL coach out of his class? Are we wrong about how much talent is on field? Something is wrong but it is bigger than one player.
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    Josh Freeman is a hot mess – he has regressed. He, in my opinion, is in catatonic shock after seasons of different coaches, different coordinators, different schemes and inconsistent results. My opinion, he has been emasculated and lost whatever poise and confidence that he once had. There will be better games, but there will be more meltdowns too, and it’s time to remedy the situation. It is what it is and it’s not going to change under this administration! I don’t profess to know what is going on in Freeman’s life off the field. What I can attest to is this is not the same Freeman that many of us have come to know and love. Whatever the reasons are, it is time for this relationship to come to an end. At this point it appears to be the humane thing to do. It’s apparent that Josh is not having fun and has lost his zeal for the game or just his desire to play in Tampa. It is even more apparent that he is not playing at a level to consistently win in the NFL. Whose fault is it? Doesn’t matter, it is what it is! I’ve never been through a divorce, but I understand that next to death, it’s the most traumatic experience a person can endure. I also understand that in some situations, it is best for the mental health and well-being of both parties to go their separate ways. In this case, it is exactly what should happen. Make no mistake about it, I’m an avid Freeman supporter, but I can’t lie to my eyes. This is not working and I can’t see a turn-around anytime soon. Long-term, I think it will be better for the Bucs and Freeman too if he moves on – say under Mike Tomlin and behind Rothelisberger. All of the drama this offseason is no media concoction. Freeman is not Schiano’s cup of tea and Freeman knows it, feels it, and reacts to it. Time to move on! Torture is un-American!
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    I've never met Josh Freeman and like most, only know what I read, hear and observe from afar. Josh Freeman came here in 2009 as a big strong armed young QB with moxie who commanded similar respect and confidence from his teammates that was afforded to Doug Williams. Players always believed in # 12 in spite of less than glowing statistics. The early Josh exuded confidence and enthusiasm. Although somewhat quiet by nature, like his pet snake, he had an inner hunger and competitive spirit that was evident. He looked like he really enjoyed his work; especially when things got desperate. That's when he shined. What happened? As the team lost games in 2011, # 5 was given much of the blame. Some deserved, much not. In 2012 a new coach is brought in who seems to want a lot of foot soldiers. Schiano wants no doubt as to who is in charge. He didn't embrace Josh Freeman and actually doubted and questioned him publicly. In spite of that Josh played well early on. But mid-season, as injuries mounted and the team's play declined, Josh was the one shouldering almost all of the the blame. His once stellar play began to falter. He started to look unsure of himself. He started to think instead of just play. In short, he stopped having fun. I no longer see the tenacity he once displayed. At times he looks like the guy who shows up to work but all of his co-workers know he hates his job. Perhaps Josh is just burned out and has tired of being the Buccaneers whipping boy. With his contract at its' end, perhaps Josh is looking forward to a new home where he is embraced at least for a while. Perhaps then Josh can be, as Denny Green would say "Who we thought he was." If that happens we can continue our 36 year search for the savior.
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    Kellen Winslow Jr. hurt us worse than Freeman. I bet he had a good laugh.
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    If #5 leads the team to playoffs every year, nothing would be made out of being late for a football camp or not being there for a team photo.
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    Are you serious??????? If?????? #5~ lead the team to one playoff game!!!!! Guess what? #5 WOULD be there for the Photo and the Children! I swear to goodness! Some ppl just Cant seem to understand that 2+2 = 5! LOL
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    Well, if he does get the boot, then he won't be the first Buc Quarterback to leave and probably find success elseware. He'll probably get to the Superbowl a lot faster!
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    Teams who pick up ex-pat Buc QBs know how to use their skill set to their advantage- something the Bucs can't seem to do.
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    I expected a lot of torches and pitchforks in the replies section of this article- maybe I'm just early... I was a one time believer in young Josh but that is surely a thing of the past..He doesn't seem to have the football fire burning in his furnace..This doesn't make him a bad person or a loser a-hole,it just makes him not what a team or its fans want from a franchise QB..you want a winner,a fighter- a QB with a belly full of fire ready to channel our collective team spirit into action on the field..I want a guy who wants to win- who's passionate about football....I just don't feel it from Free...He seems disconnected,not present..that doesn't make for a good QB in my opinion..He might be a great guy to sit,chill and drink a beer with...or talk about snakes with...I just don't think he wants to be a NFL QB.. I wish for this franchise and its fans that a day comes soon that we have a franchise QB that can get it done...we have waited and paid our dues..it's time we find the guy who will take this team and all of us back to the Super Bowl..He doesn't have to be the biggest or baddest- he just has to show up and bring his passion to the field..we need a captain for the ship.... Go Bucs ...
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    Check the red board for the pitchforks lol
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    Well he won't be the first or the last first round pick that was a BUST for the Buc's !
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    The sky is falling? THE SKY IS FALLING!
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    This Buc fan has gotten tired of shelling out $$$ for season tickets over the seasons only to see crappy play on the field year after year.......think I'm the only one. # 5 does not sell tickets.
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    The players and team record really don't matter. The Lions went 0-16 and still sold out. The Raiders have been terrible and still sell out. Every other team that stinks still sells out. Even with a crappy QB like JaMarcus Russell. It's the Tampa Bay area that's the problem. Miami can suck and sell out so can Jacksonville so it's not a Florida issue. Even if we had Peyton Manning behind center they'd still black out the games.
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    Not accurate - those teams don't sell out.
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