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September 23, 2013 @ 7:03 am
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Benching Freeman, Starting Glennon Is Not So Easy For Schiano

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If Bucs head coach Greg Schiano is contemplating a QB switch from Josh Freeman to Mike Glennon the controversial move would be heavily scrutinized and could come with a heavy price if Glennon can't spark the offense. Find out why switching QBs is not so easy for Schiano right now in Tampa Bay.
If the rumors are true, Tampa Bay quarterback Josh Freeman is not head coach Greg Schiano’s guy.

There have been plenty of reports from media sources other than PewterReport.com, dating back to CBS Sports’ Pete Prisco last year, that have insinuated that there is friction between the tightly wound Schiano and the laid back Freeman.

Heck, there was even a rumor (and absolutely no evidence to support it) that Schiano might have rigged the team captains vote that stripped Freeman of his captaincy after three years. Schiano denied rigging the vote, and I believe him.

But the fact that was actually a rumor about Schiano potentially rigging the captain’s vote speaks to the apparent disconnect between the coach and the quarterback.

With the Buccaneers mired in a disappointing 0-3 start to the 2013 season and with the Freeman-led offense stuck in neutral (or reverse) ever since the preseason, now would be the logical time for Schiano to seriously contemplate switching quarterbacks to rookie Mike Glennon. Freeman, who completed less than half of his passes in the preseason, is completing less than half of his passes during the regular season.

Through three games, the Bucs offense has scored just 24 points, an average of only eight points per game. Freeman has completed 43-of-94 passes for 571 yards with two touchdowns, three interceptions and a fumble.

Just how bad is Tampa Bay’s offense?

Consider that Jets rookie quarterback Geno Smith has thrown more touchdown passes (four) this season than Freeman (two).

Consider that Pro Bowl wide receiver Vincent Jackson has yet to record a touchdown.

Consider that Jacksonville’s offense has outscored Tampa Bay’s offense, 26-24, to start the 2013 season.

There have been plenty of dropped passes, blown pass protection assignments and penalties to derail Tampa Bay’s offense through three games, but there have been plenty of mistakes by a veteran quarterback, who is in his fifth season in the NFL, that have contributed to the offense’s malaise, too.

With less than ideal stats to start the season Freeman has given Schiano plenty of ammunition already for a quarterback change.

“Our offense needs a spark,” Schiano could say diplomatically.

“Our quarterback isn’t even completing half of his passes,” Schiano could say matter of factly.

“Our players didn’t even vote Josh as a team captain this year,” Schiano could say if he wanted to throw Freeman under the bus.

Schiano may be contemplating a quarterback change in his mind out of necessity, but he may even want to do it because he’s not a big Freeman fan. After all, he inherited the former Kansas State star.  Schiano didn’t draft him.

Schiano drafted Glennon in the third round this past April after trying to recruit him to Rutgers several years ago. Glennon is his guy.

But even though Schiano might want to pull the ripcord on Freeman, who happens to be in a contract year, and feel justified in doing so, he likely won’t for several reasons.

The first reason is one that Schiano acknowledged in his post-game press conference in New England. Freeman still gives the Bucs the best chance to win despite his struggles this year. The veteran has proven that he can operate in Mike Sullivan’s offense in becoming the first 4,000-yard passer in Tampa Bay history last season while throwing for a franchise-record 27 touchdowns in 2012.

If Glennon were ready in Schiano’s mind he would make the switch right now – this week. But the rookie is apparently not ready.
 
Instead, look for the bye week to be a more logical time for a QB change – if Freeman and the Bucs falter against the visiting Arizona Cardinals this Sunday and slip to 0-4. If he wanted to bench Freeman, the bye week would give Schiano, Sullivan and quarterbacks coach John McNulty more time to better prepare Glennon for his first NFL start against Philadelphia, a game that will take place at home, which is always better for rookie quarterbacks that are making their NFL debut.

But switching quarterbacks is a move fraught with potential peril for Schiano, who isn’t well liked by the Bucs players to begin with. Unless Glennon could come in and truly spark the offense, not play like a rookie, and win some games, benching Freeman, who is liked by the players, could backfire and cause him to totally lose the locker room.

Despite a 0-3 record Schiano doesn’t have much of a case he can make with the players to start Glennon over Freeman. The Bucs players know the offensive struggles have not all been the quarterback’s fault.

Freeman, who was sacked nine times and fumbled once in August, posted a QB rating of 56.7 in the preseason after completing 12-of-26 (46.1 percent) for 101 yards with no touchdowns and no interceptions. He hasn’t gotten any better in the regular season as he’s completing just 45.7 percent of his passes.

While Glennon led the Buccaneers in passing during the preseason with 397 yards, three touchdowns and three interceptions, he completed only 33 of his 70 pass attempts (47.1 percent). Glennon was just about as inaccurate as Freeman was. The rookie was sacked four times and fumbled once during the preseason, while posting a QB rating of 61.4.

That’s not terribly impressive, and Glennon certainly won’t make anyone in Tampa Bay think of RGIII, Andrew Luck or Russell Wilson when he takes the field this year. Glennon, who graduated from North Carolina State in December with his Masters degree, has the physical tools and the intelligence to develop into a starting-caliber quarterback in the NFL – over time. Not right now.

Schiano has to realize that veterans like Jackson, guard Carl Nicks, free safety Dashon Goldson and linebacker Jonathan Casillas elected to come to Tampa Bay over the past two years in free agency to win now and make the playoffs. A 0-3 start with Freeman puts those hopes on hold. Inserting a rookie quarterback would likely dash those dreams for good in 2013.

The last thing Schiano needs is the veteran players, including two team captains in Jackson and Goldson, becoming angered at him for essentially giving up on the season so early and going with a rookie.

Benching Freeman would have to be a permanent move for Schiano, who doesn’t have enough political capital at One Buccaneer Place and has not established enough goodwill in the locker room to go back to the veteran later in the season if Glennon doesn’t pan out. Yanking Freeman and benching him for the rest of the year, would further fracture the relationship between the head coach and the starter as it would be essentially sabotage Freeman’s quest for a new contract in Tampa Bay or elsewhere by seriously damaging his market value.

In fact, if the Bucs were going to bench him, they would be better off trading Freeman in October – perhaps to Cleveland for one of the Browns’ multitude of high picks.

Schiano would love nothing more than to be developing Glennon right now as the third-round pick likely has more of a future in Tampa Bay than Freeman does at this point it seems. But the problem is that Schiano is 1-8 in his last nine games with the Buccaneers and his future in Tampa Bay could be quickly coming to an end if he doesn’t win this season.

Should the Bucs finish with a record worse than last year’s 7-9 mark, Schiano would surely be fired. The Bucs have to go 7-6 down the stretch to equal last year’s mark, and have to 9-4 in the remaining games just to post a winning record.

As much as Schiano might want to pull the plug on Freeman because he’s not the future of the franchise in his eyes, doing so would likely pull the plug on his career as Tampa Bay’s head coach. As much as he may not like it, Schiano needs Freeman need to play well against Arizona and the rest of the season to save himself.
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  • avatar

    Correct buddah, we are starting a 4th round undersized NT (who had 25% body fat at the combine). That's because many, many people here at PR are smarter then our current GM. Luckily, Spence is currently playing way above his pay-grade but our GM took the same exact risk in round 4 on a TE from Tennessee and how'd that work out for us... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ NT made almost EVERY smart PR Bucs fan's list of offseason needs that must be addressed... Like CB, LDE, slot receiver and TE (Well we got a CB at least)... Dominik has DRAGGED THIS FRANCHISE DOWN since January 27th, 2003. He might belong in someone's front office, but certainly not as a GM or as the head of pro personnel. Dominik's lack of foresight is startling. And for him to have retained his position, even to have gotten promoted after multiple shining failures along the way speaks highly for his great future in used car sales (kidding... sort of). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Good luck to all us Bucs fans this offseason as we finally get the total housecleaning that was needed when the Glazzer's decided Gruden's offseason budget request wouldn't fly. Who knew that lunch with Gruden would cost the Glazzer's and this franchise so many fans and cause us all this embarrassment. Go BUCS. Find us some real leaders Brian and Joel. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Or maybe, Glennon shows just enough to spare us a housecleaning for another season and a half. LOL to keep from crying at that one.
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    Why is everyone so certain that Schiano is going to be fired? Do you remember the last time the Buccaneers fired a coach with three years remaining on his contract. That's not going to happen. If it does happan, the Gllazers will dump all the high contracts and likely hire an inexperienced coach with "promise." We will become the Cleveland Browns. Also, I think all the complains about Dominick are largely exaggerated. He has to manage the salary cap. Yes, we needed a tight end, that's legitimate, but we can't just sign every available free agent. Nobody can. And his drafting the past three years has been above average. McCoy is a bona fide star (who will need to be resigned). Williams was a 4th round steal. Barron is looking like a star in the making. The two linebackers are really good and getting better. Martin is terrific. We have a 4th round selection starting on the defensive line. I'm not syaing that Mark is the best in the business but he's improved each year and he has persuaded some good free agents to come to Tampa. Lose Mark and who are you going to appoint in his place. We're looking at 5-8 years of mediocrity.
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    Correct buddah, we are starting a 4th round undersized NT (who had 25% body fat at the combine). That's because many, many people here at PR are smarter then our current GM. Luckily, Spence is currently playing way above his pay-grade but our GM took the same exact rick in round 4 on a TE and how'd that work out for us... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ NT made almost EVERY smart Bucs fan's list of offseason needs that must be addressed... Like LDE, slot receiver and TE... Dominik has DRAGGED THIS FRANCHISE DOWN since January 27th, 2003. He might belong in someone's front office, but certainly not as a GM or as the head of pro personnel. Dominik's lack of foresight is startling. And for him to have retained his position, even to have gotten promoted after multiple failures along the way speaks highly for his great future in used car sales (kidding sort of). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Good luck to all us Bucs fans this offseason as we finally get the total housecleaning that was needed when the Glazzer's decided Gruden's offseason budget request wouldn't fly. Who knew that lunch with Gruden would cost the Glazzer's and this franchise so many fans and cause us all this embarrassment. Go BUCS. Find us some real leaders Brian and Joel. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Or maybe, Glennon shows just enough to spare us a housecleaning for another season and a half. LOL to keep from crying at that one.
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    owlycat - I love Tebow too but his next stop is either the Canadian league or the pulpit. He is not the answer to our problems. Bill Cower is a 3-4 defensive coach. He would not "love" our physical defense because it's not the type of defense he knows how to call. I think that if the Bucs lose at Arizona the Glaziers need to fire Schiano and promote Wonstadt to head coach to try to salvage THIS season. Schiano should not be allowed to trash our quarterback situation when he is already a lame duck coach anyway. I'm afraid that Dominic has at least a couple more unpleasant conversations to have. This team is too talented to just cash it in.
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    As usual something completely ridiculous out of Owlykat. Hate to call out a loyal fan like you but your constant pimping of Tebo...W is a little much. People now realize that Tebow is not an NFL QB. The only seat he'd fill would be his own.....on the bench. You should at least understand the Practice Squad rules and realize that if Glennon were placed on it he would be snatched up in 10 seconds by another team. Try yo keep up with the news. Since you couldn't remember his name, speedster Jeff Demps has already been activated.
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    Thanks Buc76. Your thinking has merit and would work just as well. And if for any reason it doesn't work out, get Hillis back here and then offer the job to Cower to earn another Superbowl ring. I think he would love our physical Defense and our outstanding line. Then get a QB with the first round pick and a TE with the next pick and also get a veteran QB as insurance. However, my football instincts tell me Tebo can instantly turn around this team and make them great just like he turned around a defeated Bronco team after they had suffered four losses in a row. Once he got that team believing in themselves they have done great even after he left and made a perfect complement for Peyton Manning. So have you noticed the other dictatorial coach of the Giants is suffering a 0-3 just like Schiano! Oh, Tebo broke all the High School passing records in High School in Florida, won a Heisman Trophy in college, and set an NFL passing record for average distance on his completed passes when he beat the Super Bowl Champion Steelers. Just because the press has tried to make fun of him for his religious beliefs is no reason to ignore him. He deserves another shot at being an NFL starter. This is America with Freedom of Speech and Religion.
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    Lets see what the young QB does. WE know what freeman does. He not very good. Right now I see Tampa may win two games. I SAY THIS LETS SEE WHAT THIS YOUNG QB CAN DO. LOOK AT BUFFALO ANF NY JETS THEY BOTH STARTED AND ARE DOING VERY WELL. LET GLENNON START. I ALSO THINK AT THE END OF THE YEAR. THERE WILL BE A NEW COACH. WE NEED A VETERAN COACH TO GUIDE TAMPA IN 2014.
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    Well maybe he can give the fans that choice because we know what we want unlike him and his coordinator who absolutely have no freaking idea every week!
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    Great article SR. I love your objectivity in this one. One question : Where is Mark Dominik during all of this? Has he no comment? Unavailable at press time? Working the phones for a trade? Guess that was actually four questions.
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    owlykat, I mostly agree with you. However, I would make Butch Davis the HC and Dave Wandstadt the DC as he has never won at any level as an HC, but has been good as a DC. I don't know about Tebo, but at least he wouldn't look like a deer caught in the headlights. He wouldn't play scared.
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    Very interesting no one is suggesting now to just wait because Freeman will just turn on the switch! He is toast. Now you know what I knew before the first game and said so. I have a solution no one has suggested. After 0-4 send young Glennon to the Practice Squad to develop for a backup QB of the future. Sit Freeman down as the third string QB and tell him to get back to his 2010 playing weight, and do weight training and film study and prepare himself to shine if he is called on again and part of his film study should be his 2010 films to get his confidence back up. Grab Tebo and tell him he is to learn the playbook with the help of our OC Sullivan. Start Orlovsky until Tebo is ready. Promote the Special Team's Coach to do that job and Interm HC with a promise to make it permanent if he wins in the playoffs. Make Shiano and Sherman walk the plank. Promote Butch Davis as DC. DOM put this talented team together and stays. Then watch Tebo fill the seats and inspire all of the team and especially the offense. If near the end of the season he can't do it give a rested Freeman one last shot. However, behind our talented line and Davis Defense you will have a shot at the playoffs. That is the only way to avoid rebuilding. Use your first choice next year for a TE and make Page your 3rd down WR. Sign the Olympic sprinter to return kicks, get our rookie placekicker back and put the Buffalo rookie Means on the Practice Squad for the sprinter and Go Bucs this year!!!
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    All this team needs is some confidence and consistency. Consistency is going to be the key to gaining confidence. That starts on offense and with Freeman. His confidence is all but gone now which is why the consistency isn't there. He has shown that he can preform at an elite level but can't stay consistent. We need to move the ball and score so the "dogs can hunt"! I guess it could be worse, we could all be Giants fans!!! Count your blessings!!!
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    CBS Sports Jason LaCanfora went as far to suggest a Machiavellian plot by Schiano to undermine Mark Dominic with his scuttling of Freeman. While that wouldn't be a bad idea, it's too far fetched to ring any truth. Much of the Bucs woes were created by terrible flops on high draft picks under Dominik. If those picks would have stuck, the Bucs wouldn't have to constantly be going back for DTs and CBs and could possibly draft some good O-linemen and an athletic TE and a gifted slot receiver. New Orleans drafted Jimmy Graham in the 3rd round. The Rams this year got Stedman Bailey in the third round. Those were luxuries that the Bucs weren't in a position to draft because they were too busy filling the holes created by drafts past. I would offer San Diego our 4th this year for TE Ladarius Green. That kid has star potential.
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    Come on Schiano! Get the Bucs a high draft pick before we can your butt!
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    If we keep this up we might be able to take Teddy Bridgewater is the first overall pick!!!! Sorry Free, time to go. Go with Gleenon after the bye week. Just to help you decide... Check out this stat!!!!! http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcsouth/post/_/id/50902/josh-freeman-not-in-good-company
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    @Kracker: You are right, but it comes down to the word "if". Freeman apparently doesn't have the accuracy to even complete a large % of those passes that should be easy for any NFL QB. During the offseason, we ALL new this needed to be THE season for Josh to perform... Many of us posted that since that is the case, let's give Josh ALL the tools he needs to succeed & if he fails, so be it. But those tools that we had hoped for (one or two very good TEs, a very good third WR) were NOT provided by the GM. We would have been happy to see an improvement in record from last year's 7 - 9 to 10 - 6 or even 9 - 7. To do that, the GM needed to keep building by filling those holes even we knew were there; but the GM & coach acted like a $16M cornerback would put us in the SuperBowl. NOT! I like Revis but we could have gotten some good free agents (5 or 6) with that money, improved to the point our young and talented guys would be ready to make a real run next year, but instead we now have no hope for the playoffs. Time to bite the bullet and make some positive changes @ GM, QB, and coaches.
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    Yes, just keep Freeman in there. Keep doing the same thing over and over and expect a different result. That works every time.
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    If Freeman could complete the short and intermediate passes @ 70% and was able sustain drives of more than 5 plays we wouldn't be having this conversation. We have an extraordinary high number of drives of 5 plays or less. Our time of possession is terrible. The best defense is a good offense and that is where we are lacking. We don't have to score on every drive but if we can keep the ball from their offense and change field possession than it can be considered a good drive. A "productive" drive. We don't have many productive drives. It's like when the Rays would bring in Dan Wheeler in for the 9th, you just had this feeling that things were gonna end badly!! That's how I feel when I see Free out there behind Center!!
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    @jshumaker: wow exactly right!! Revis, Nicks, V-Jacks wont be in their prime and V-Jack already lost a step or two maybe more. Okay Lineman can last a little longer, and V-Jacks still has that leaping ability, but all that win-now-mode comes back to hunt us. HC GM at fault. QB not good enogh >> all three have to go. And the whole coaching staff could not see, what fans saw: Dimke over Lindell?(!) its embarrassing. How must the players feel, performing for such a bonehead coach and @dre8334: absolutely right about Freeman skills (moving pocket, creative play calling, i would suggest more spread), but it all doesnt matter, because this HC/GM/QB combo simply cant last in the NFL, they gotta go. GoBucs!!
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    My dad and bunch of other people said to make dave wannastedt Interm HC! At least he would use revis right & bench the people that haven't done right yet . He also has HC exp if I'm not mistaken i believe with the dolphins for a long time.
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    No easy problem to resolve right now so the best course is continue with what we have until the bye week. I believe we will win and it might allow some time for the coach to get a game plan together to see what he can do to get more wins. I see Freeman performing in the Cardinal game, but if he does not I would play Orlovsky for a couple games just to bye some time before putting in Glennon. Regardless, this season is over. We need to do something else other than stay this course for the long hall. Please do not dump Bowers; he will just go elsewhere and perform. We have good players; a lot of this is on the Coaching scheme on offense and defense. Our more talented players are on defense so even in Sherman scheme we can stay competitive, but not great.
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    @horse: you are right, it would be foolish to let go of talented players, just because the HC doesn´t know how to use them and to get the best out of them. Also good plan how to handle the next weeks. God damn i miss Gruden.. not Allen, nor will i Dominik or Shiano. the last three names are all not good for a professional football team.
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    We need to ask the good players what things should be done on offense like VJ Mike Williams Joseph PENN MARTIN build the offense around those guys and what they like and then everyone else needs to just pick it up and be a follower . There shouldn't be players getting worse at were trying to do. Offense should be easy at this point ! Bunch of veterans who know how to win but aren't . Its clearly coaching and scheme but nobody is willing to fix it or say hey this isn't working.
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    @Kindert & EastEndBoy: We're all on the same wave length. The GM has failed to fill the holes even most of the PR posters identified in the offseason. He didn't bring in a QB (such as Palmer or other FA QB) who could have given Freeman competition...now we are left with Glennon or journeyman Orlovski. I was a backer of Freeman for 4 years...now I know I was wrong; but through poor coaching, these coaches have taken away any modicum of talent and potential Josh had. I originally liked Schiano, but I was wrong on that too. He's not ready for the NFL, and his inflexible style shows he is likely never to be ready. Bottom line, the GM needs to go, these coaches need to go, and the QB needs to go. The owners need to start developing a strategy to bring in the best they can for these positions so next year we can have the same results the K. C. Chiefs are having this year...there is enough talent on this team to do that.
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    @warren: i love it. The fans seeing what the Glazers (or their personal with way too high paychecks) should have seen (istead of watching soccer). And seeing. Trade Freeman, fire the Shiamonik demon - GoBucs!!
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    Well, this is a sad situation. I don't believe that Glennon is the answer but the coach does. IMO we start Glennon after the bye aand see what the coach knows. If we don't win 50% of the remaining games you fire Schiano and Dominik. If I was the Glazers I would be looking for a new GM and HC starting now! We can't Blow for Bridgewater or any top QB in the draft with the Browns having two first round picks and needing a QB. We are between a rock and a hard place and we have no one to blame except Dumnik.
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    Well their is a third Q.B. on the roster we could turn to who is a veteran, Orlvinsky.At this point we're wasting practice snaps on Freeman. Let Orly start while Glennon get's more reps, and put Freeman where he belongs, running the scout team.
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    I like this concept How about benching Shiano and getting maybe Cower or Lovie is smith. Give freeman one year deal to compete for starting job with a coach that isn't totally clueless and lost and has proven NFL track record.
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    Our team feels like a carbon copy of the 2012 Chiefs...losing to bad teams and good teams, blaming the QB, clearly led by an inferior coach and GM, tonnes of talent (will we lead the probowl in players selected this year like KC - the worst team in the league - did last year). KC seems to have turned around nicely by changing their coach, GM and starting QB (for what is a very average QB). I think Freeman is also a very average QB, so perhaps we don't even need to change that - but coach and GM seem like a must. It is amazing how much difference a new, capable, NFL-calibre coach can do for a team...no he can't catch or throw or tackle, but KC for one (and Phily, San Diego, etc) seem to be playing much better with mostly the same personnel...I think we need a fine-tuning (but an important one) not a rebuilding...
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    @EastEndBoy - Great point.
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    @pinkstop/eastendboy: yeah, exactly finetuning. this realy hits the nail. HC GM gotta go. But im just not 100% percent sure if it will be enough, because i dont know, who we got to get re-signed and stuff. The Revis trade - was it about a pending 2nd-3rd or 3rd-4th rounder? i guess the first..
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    P.S. Demote/Fire McNulty. Also, if Freeman gets benched after the Arizona game, I say we fire Schiano and see what Sullivan can do. I don't think it has any shot of happening, but that's what we should do. I believe Sherridan is a "yes" guy and is not fit for any type of real leadership position. Despite our offensive struggles, I belive Sullivan has talent and the players respect him.
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    I agree completely SR. I also agree with Garv. The offensive players will have no leg to stand on if Schiano benches Freeman in favor of Glennon. If the players want to keep Freeman as their starting QB, catch his footballs! I thought the same thing at the end of Morris' tenure (even though I still think he should have gotten one more year with more help). Guys, if you want to keep Morris as your HC, make a tackle and take care of the football! It's up to you Bucs offensive players if you want to keep Freeman. Protect Freeman and catch all his passes on Sunday against Arizona or Freeman will be gone forever.
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    granted 0 and 3 is not what we hoped for but we still have 13 games left to play and can still make a run at these playoffs. wish we knew more on the Jackson injury which I hope comes out today but we can still put together a steak and come out alright this year! go bucs!! we can do this!
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    Glennon is a fast learner and can no longer be judged by pre-season. He has shown much greater leadership skills than Freeman and I'm not convinced Freeman gives us the best chance to win. I say go with Glennon after thr bye no matter what happens at next weeks game.
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    Not only is this season completely wasted, but now that Revis trade does not look so good. We might not be going into full rebuild mode, but we now have to get a new quarterback up to speed. By the time we do have a quarterback mastering a system, Revis will be around 30 years old and past his prime. Therefore a high first round pick wasted. Vincent Jackson and Carl Nicks will also be at the tail end of their careers. This is a complete disaster for a team that had more than enough talent to make a serious run at a Super Bowl. This is the most disappointing season I have ever witnessed as a Bucs fan.
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    I wish we could get rid of Freeman, Schiano, Dommick and Glazer and draft a franschise QB. If we don't do the first 3 I ain't going to renew my season tickets I have had from the begining.
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    This has been a very disappointing start to say the least. But except for one very big suggestion, it is very frustrating. I think play calling has a lot to do with the lack of success the Bucs have had. If anything was learned from yesterdays debacle, it would be screen passes can be a very SAFE and effective weapon. Brady used those over and over again............we did not. Lorig and Martin are both good receiving threats and good run after the catch. But let's look at pocket passers. Forget Manning, Brady, Brees and Rodgers....they are the best in the NFL and (as Brady has shown) can lift a team even with lesser players. Look at the 2nd tier pocket passers. Eli is having a horrible year, Rothlesberger (sp?) is only good when he improvises. Kap in SF is falling off the map and Ryan is very streaky. Freeman waits too long to pass. Receivers not open? He doesn't survey the field quickly enough? Inaccurate? He's a lower level QB to begin with and he doesn't use short passes like screens to his advantage. He should move in the pocket, make quicker decisions and have a more creative play called to be successful.
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    A couple of points of contention. Freeman gives you the best chance to win. The facts just don't back up that statement. Josh has one win in his last 9 starts, and that win came against an Atlanta team that was already play off bound. Josh has lost more then half his starts for his career, so the facts Scott don't back up that claim. Scott, would you bet your life Glennon would only win one game in his first 9 starts? Second point is Josh is well liked by his team mates. I guess that's why he sits on the end of the bench during games, A LONE, and wasn't voted team captain. I think you're right about one thing, Schiano is losing the locker, but I think it's because he's sticking with Freeman, not benching him. You're reasons for not sitting Freeman make no sense.
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    Anybody notice the curious disappearance and deafening silence of Mark Dominik - a politician adept at avoiding trouble like the plague? If Schiano didn’t get the message that this is a win-now team when he drafted Glennon and started this competition for the QB position, he’s gotten it now. When he took valuable reps from Freeman and the first team to get Glennon ready, his plan failed when Glennon didn’t perform like Russell Wilson. Now Freeman is a basket case and Glennon is a ticket on the bus to Abilene (that’s nowhere). Schiano has two choices – stay with an uninspired inconsistent Freeman or go with the inexperienced unproven Glennon and try and convince the Glazers that we are still rebuilding after they have spent a fortune over the last two years to win now. Good luck with that and while he’s upstairs, he might want to explain why the Glazers are paying Revis, the best cover corner in the NFL, 1 million dollars a game and Schiano has him playing zone. You can understand why this is not an easy decision!
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    It's time. No qb on earth has been given more benefit the doubt than freeman.
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    It might be a situation where both Freeman and coach need to go...it really seems that either of them are qualified for their position- it may look good on paper but the truth is both of these guys have a huge hole in their game..freeman is a poor QB and coach is doing a poor job getting his players motivated..I'm growing tired of this pattern in Tampa - we have had lackluster QBs for as long as I can remember and have lacked decent coaching since Grudens days...the ship has a hole in it and we are taking on water..
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    If they pull the plug on Freeman, I would go the Dan Orlovsky, not Glennon. You could ruin Glennon by throwing in the fire right away. Orlovsky would give us the best chance to win now. My pick would be for them to trade for Kirk Cousins. These guys that signed with us, want to win now, Not next year or the year after. If we win Sunday, we will be 1-3 just like last year. So if we can go on a winning run of 5 or 6 games, we might be able to salvage the season.
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    How about benching Shiano and getting maybe Cower or Lovie is smith. Give freeman one year deal to compete for starting job with a coach that isn't totally clueless and lost and has proven NFL track record.
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    I think they may go in that direction. This so called "family medical emergency" sounds fishy to me...
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    I believe the game this coming Sunday will be Free's last shot here. Lose and it's Glennon time for better or worse. Things are not looking good and something will have to be done. Maybe some veterans won't like it, but what exactly are THEY doing to win some games? Horrible start to a season that seemed to be so full of legitimate hope. There are many players who have let the team down but the fact remains that the QB position matters most. Coach Schiano may be finished no matter who he starts unless the Bucs start winning multiple games, something the team doesn't seem interested in doing for him OR themselves. As a fan I'm disappointed and disgusted.
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