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October 25, 2013 @ 8:14 am
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SR's Fab 5 - 10-25

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Scott Reynolds


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Why is it only a matter of time before the Bucs fire Greg Schiano? Why is RG Davin Joseph struggling so much? Why has DE Adrian Clayborn gotten all three of his sacks from the left side? Get the answers, plus inside scoop on RB Bobby Rainey, DT Akeem Spence, the Bucs assistant coaches and more in this edition of SR's Fab 5.
SR's Fab 5 is a collection of inside scoop, analysis and insight from yours truly, Pewter Report publisher and Bucs beat writer Scott Reynolds. Here are a few things that caught my attention this week at One Buc Place:

On September 27 I wrote the following about Buccaneers head coach Greg Schiano in a SR’s Fab 5 column:

“If Tampa Bay starts the season 0-5 Schiano needs to be fired in-season and replaced with Dave Wannstedt in October as the interim head coach. In my eyes Glennon shouldn’t be used as an excuse to buy more time for Schiano if the team whimpers to a 1-10 record in the last 11 games. Enough time. Too many losses. At 0-5, it’s time for general manager Mark Dominik to show some guts, end the ridiculous media circus and constant distractions in Tampa Bay and fire Schiano, or have the Glazers admit their mistake and move on in 2014 to pursue Bill Cowher or a head coaching candidate that actually has had success in the NFL.”

I was viewed as being a partisan then, taking a pro-Josh Freeman stance and taking an anti-Greg Schiano stance. Some Bucs fans said I was biased in my reporting because Freeman went to my alma mater, Kansas State, or because it looked like I threw a fit because Schiano is so unorganized that he couldn’t tell the media more than 24 hours in advance when to show up to One Buccaneer Place for press conferences, practices times and open locker room time.

I’ve been covering the Buccaneers professionally for 18 years, and I’ve always maintained the conviction that a coach should be fired by the win-loss column, not by the Sunday column in the newspaper. In other words, forget the coach’s personality, or his personnel decisions, or the fact that he may have ruffled a few feathers with the media. My philosophy is that a coach should really only be fired if he can’t win.

In my 18 year of as a Bucs beat writer, I have never called for a head coach to be fired. It was obvious it was going to happen in my first year on the job in 1995 when I covered Sam Wyche. After a 5-dash-2 start turned into a 7-dash-9 finish, Wyche was toast and everybody knew it. Saying “Fire Wyche” was stating the obvious.

The firing of Tony Dungy and Jon Gruden were both surprises that nobody in the media called for, but after both moves were made one could at least see some reason and logic behind the decisions at the time – at least enough to justify the Glazers removing the two most popular and successful coaches in franchise history.

During his 10-game losing streak after a 4-2 start, Raheem Morris was a dead man walking, and even he knew it. The way the season was ending with blowout losses galore, nobody in the media really needed to say, “Fire Morris.” It was inevitable. He was a dead man walking. Morris’ jovial personality and the relationships he had cultivated with the media allowed for a somewhat graceful exit.

The media loved Morris, but recognized his shortcomings. Still, Morris’ friendly style and ability to give a great quote bought him time and mercy with the media across the board. Many today would have liked to have seen what he could have done with more talent had the Glazers decided to open up the checkbook during his regime instead of continually giving him the youngest team in the NFL year after year.

Which brings us to Schiano. I don’t know, but I was able to forecast a 0-5 start to the 2013 season after a 0-3 start, so much so that I decided to stick my neck – and my reputation – on the line and state that if the Bucs started off 0-5 that Schiano should be fired. This was back in September, and PewterReport.com was the first major media outlet in the country to even suggest it.

Some said that I must have a personal axe to grind with Schiano for doing so, while many applauded my recommendation. I can tell you that there’s nothing personal towards Schiano. I don’t have any relationship with him, but neither do any members of the media, and that’s the way he’s wanted it.

I’ve never met a more standoff-ish coach before, one that purposely keeps the media at an arm’s length because he doesn’t see the need to talk to the media or form relationships with reporters. The truth is that if Schiano was well liked and had taken the time to work with the media instead of against the media he might have some allies that could make excuses for his Buccaneers and attempt to quell the angry fan base and buy Schiano more time.

But he doesn’t. Schiano doesn’t have one ally in the local media, and probably not one in national media outside of his Jersey buddy, Peter King, who defended him early but has gone silent in recent weeks as the losses have mounted. That’s Schiano’s fault.

But this isn’t about relationships. This is – and always has been for me – about examining the data and drawing conclusions. For some reason after Week 3 and I could see this train wreck coming after looking at the data.

After a 0-3 start to the 2013 season, the Bucs had won just once in the last nine games at that point in time. Tampa Bay’s defense wasn’t capable of finishing games, the offense was putrid and Schiano and his coaching staff were too slow to make in-game adjustments.

Forget the whole embarrassing Freeman debacle and the MRSA affliction that hit One Buccaneer Place and have created negative headlines locally and nationally. Losing 10 of 11 games, in my mind, was enough to constitute a coaching change. Folks, it’s about the wins and the losses and always has been with me. So for the first time in my career, I called for Schiano to be fired, and PewterReport.com became the first media outlet to explicitly do so.

While most of the Bucs fan base agreed with my assertion, there was still a segment of fans that disagreed with me – even some members of the media were hesitant to see what I was seeing. But two weeks later after last night’s 31-13 embarrassing loss to Carolina, Schiano’s firing seems more inevitable, and other media members decided to pile on.

Now there are billboards around Tampa that say “Fire Schiano,” and Facebook pages and Twitter accounts with the same moniker. I had a conversation following the game in which I learned that Schiano would be fired during the season barring a miracle.

The Glazers want some time to think about it, but I was told that the heat applied locally by PewterReport.com and talk radio mostly, and the heat applied in national columns from Andrew Brandt and Michael Silver among others has helped turn the Bucs fan base against Schiano.

The truth is going 0-7 and losing 12 of his last 13 games is what has turned the fan base against Schiano. People like me are only pointing out the obvious.

It’s about wins and losses. It always has been and always will be with coaches. They get hired to win and they get fired when they don’t win enough. Coaches are hired to be fired in most cases.

Schiano, who signed a five-year, $15-million deal in 2012, will be fired, too. If it doesn’t happen this weekend, and it could with Dave Wannstedt and Butch Davis as the most logical in-house candidates because of their previous NFL head coaching experience, it could happen after next Sunday’s expected loss to the 6-1 Seahawks at Seattle.

It’s only a matter of time.

If he didn’t have the dreadlocks, the big smile, the huge hands and arms, the double-barreled chest and a No. 75 jersey you would swear that the person playing right guard for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers is not Davin Joseph.

The right guard playing for the Bucs this year has held, has given up sacks, has given up tackles for loss and has been flagged for an illegal hands to the face that negated a fourth quarter touchdown pass last week at Atlanta. Against Carolina on Thursday night, Joseph surrendered a sack and also was guilty of holding. The right guard playing for the Bucs this year looks nothing like Joseph, a two-time Pro Bowler and a team captain.

Yet it is, and at times Joseph looks like a shell of his former self. He looks slow off the ball in the run game, and off balance in his pass protection. We notice those plays, don’t we?

And there are times when Joseph fires off the ball and opens up the hole or stonewalls a pass rusher cold at the line of scrimmage. Yet, we don’t really notice those, do we?

Offensive linemen generally don’t get noticed when they do anything right, except when they are spotlighted in a one-on-one matchup against a fierce pass rusher and do their job, or when Pro Bowl ballots are tabulated. We notice them when blocks or missed on third-and-1 situations, or when the quarterback gets sacked or when a false start turns a third-and-3 situation into a third-and-8, or a holding call negates a first down or a touchdown.

For years we haven’t noticed Joseph except around December when he has been named to the Pro Bowl or perhaps on a play or two on a Sunday when he is running downfield lead blocking on a touchdown run or picking a defensive player off the pile right before the whistle.

Now we can’t help but notice Joseph, and wince when we do. We watch his unsteady blocking and realize that the player that was once the epitome of stellar play looks, well, average.

We know that while he is medically cleared to play after missing the entire 2012 season with a serious knee injury, he is not at 100 percent health-wise, nor is he 100 percent back to being the dominant Davin Joseph that followers of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers have come to expect.

“I’m close, I’m close to playing at that high level again,” Joseph said. “Being out of football for a year, I didn’t know it was going to be this hard of a challenge, and it definitely is a challenge. Missing training camp and the preseason … as a player you kind of take it for granted and you kind of go through the motions when you are healthy sometimes. But it really helps a lot in terms of getting to a high level of play. You need it, and I didn’t practice much in training camp because of my rehab. Now I’m using my reps, my mental reps and even the games as my training camp – during the season – to help me get back to where I was and where I need to be.

“Those first four games of the regular season were actually my preseason games as far as getting back into football shape and conditioning. The bye week came at the right time as I was dealing with a lot of the soreness that guys usually feel in August during training camp. In training camp, you have to get your body accustomed to the beating and you are ready to go by September. I was still in that process until the bye week.”

After the bye week, Joseph suffered a bruise on his non-surgically repaired knee, and that has slowed his comeback as he tries to regain his pre-injury form. Prior to his bruised knee, Joseph was just getting used to finding his balance again as a pro football player, and dealing with the same situation that cornerback Darrelle Revis is. Like Joseph, Revis is coming off a torn ACL, and as a result of rehab, he has one leg that is bigger than the other one.

“I have the same deal as Darrelle, and you hear the same thing from guys that have had a leg injury,” Joseph said. “One leg will lack size compared to the other one, but it may actually be stronger than the other one because you rehabbed that leg so much it got all of the attention. Your injured leg actually becomes your stronger leg and you lose some balance in your lower body as a result.

“Everybody always says that with leg injuries there is an imbalance where it just takes a while to get back to normal if you ever do. Whenever you tear a ligament or a tendon it takes a while to get that natural balance back where you aren’t overcompensating for one leg and you aren’t leaning more one way or the other. It takes awhile to get that balance back.”

Outside of a broken foot, Joseph has been relatively injury-free during his playing days dating back to high school in Hallendale, Fla., and the 6-foot-3, 313-pounder admits he doesn’t know exactly how to get back to his dominant ways.

“This is the first major injury I’ve ever had, and it’s the same with Darrelle,” Joseph said. “Thank God this is my first major one and hopefully my last major one, but I don’t have any personal reference about how to come back. It’s unchartered territory, and you have to lean on the training staff and the medical staff to get you back. Everyone is very experienced here and they have done a great job of getting me back on the field. Now I have to get back to the old me.

“There is a big difference between being cleared to play and back to playing at your standard. You can kind of see that Rob Gronkowski is going through that. He was just recently cleared to play, but he’s not going to be playing to his standard for quite some time. It will take him a little while.”

Each year, dozens of NFL players suffer season-ending ACL injuries or torn patellar tendons. Joseph suffered both. Typically, players can come back in nine months, but it usually takes a full year of being back on the field before they reach their previous level of play.

Of course having a freakish athlete like Minnesota running back Adrian Peterson, who tore his ACL in 2011 and then came back to lead the NFL in rushing with over 2,000 yards last year ruins it for players like Joseph and Revis because it creates a false set of expectations for fans.

“Even for Adrian Peterson he was limited with his carries for the first couple of weeks and he was limited with his yardage,” Joseph said. “They only used him in certain packages at the beginning when he first came back.”

That’s true. Despite rushing for 2,097 yards in 2012, Peterson only had one 100-yard rushing game in the first six weeks of the season while he only averaged 18 carries per game. Over the final 10 weeks of the season, Peterson averaged nearly 24 carries per game, and had nine 100-yard games, including seven where he rushed for over 150 yards.

What helps skill position players like Peterson, and even cornerbacks like Revis, rebound from season-ending knee injuries is the fact that they can be substituted in and out of the lineup to rest on the sidelines for a few plays. That doesn’t happen on the offensive line for players like Joseph, who have to fight through pain, discomfort and imbalance on every offensive snap.

“Playing offensive line is a full-time gig,” Joseph said. “They don’t rotate offensive linemen in and out. As the rules changes about football, there’s not much that changes up front with us. The trenches are the trenches. There are only five of us and it’s a man’s world in there. It’s survival of the fittest. It hurts. It’s supposed to hurt, and there is no tapping out in there.”

And Joseph is hurting. It’s not just his bruised knee, or his surgically repaired knee. It’s his pride.

In 2011, Joseph, Tampa Bay’s first-round pick in 2006, signed a seven-year, $53-million contract, including $19 million guaranteed. Joseph rewarded the team for its faith in him by making his second Pro Bowl following the 2011 season. No one wants Joseph to regain his Pro Bowl-caliber form more than he does.

“When your legs are tired and everything is sore you still have to go out and play at a high level,” Joseph said. “That’s my challenge right now, and I’m getting close to being back to my old self. I’ve got to hang in there and keep battling and it will come, and I’ll be back.”

While Davin Joseph has been slow to rebound from his 2012 knee injury, Tampa Bay defensive end Adrian Clayborn has made a successful return from a torn ACL in Week 3 last year that cost him much of the 2012 campaign. Instead of playing strictly on the right side of the line where he registered 7.5 sacks and forced three fumbles as a rookie in 2011, Clayborn now plays on the weakside of the defense, which causes him to line up on either the left or the right side.

In his first three games last year Clayborn struggled because he did too much thinking. As the right defensive end he would be required to play one technique if his side was the weakside of the defense and a different technique if a tight end lined up to his side and that became the strongside. This year, defensive coordinator Bill Sheridan simplified the defense and has Clayborn only playing on the weakside – whether that is on the left or the right side of the formation, so he'll end up playing both sides of the line as a result.

The Bucs feel like Clayborn is the most complete defensive end on the team, and the second-best pass rusher behind Pro Bowl defensive tackle Gerald McCoy. Placing him away from the tight end typically frees him up more often and creates more of one-on-one situation for him to operate against.

Clayborn has a great combination of power and speed, and that has given right tackles, that are typically bigger and less agile, problems all year.

“I wouldn’t say I’m finesse, but you do have to switch it up,” Clayborn said. “I switch it up with my power and quickness. You are going up against different guys sometimes, but you can’t throw them the same move every time. You can’t be a one-trick pony. You have to be able to learn how to do both in this league.”

Ironically, all three of Clayborn’s sacks this season have come on the left side, including one against Carolina quarterback Cam Newton.

“That’s a credit to Gerald by him getting up field and me wrapping around him,” Clayborn said. “That’s pretty much what I’ve been doing on the left side.”

Clayborn’s teammate, rookie nose tackle Akeem Spence, is in awe of the way he aggressively plays the game.

“He plays so physical and he likes to get in your face,” Spence said. “I feel bad for the tackles because when he decides to put his head in your chest he does it, and it’s effective. He has a bull rush like I’ve never seen before.

“He’s playing at a high level rushing the passer. He runs sideline to sideline and makes a lot of plays. I’m impressed, and I’m happy to be on the same team as A.C. I’m just watching him and learning how to play the game of football. I watch him and Gerald and try to mimic what they’re doing and how they play.”

One interesting wrinkle in Clayborn’s game this year is the fact that he is standing up on occasion in a two-point stance, typically at left end, while rushing the passer. That’s how Clayborn swooped in and sacked Newton on Thursday night.

“They let me do it,” Clayborn said. “They let me decide if I want to do it or not. I’ve been liking it so far. It’s fun and it’s something new. I’m trying to develop it every week.”
The fact that Clayborn has had success playing left defensive end is a remarkable achievement, given that NFL scouts downgraded him prior to the 2011 draft because he has Erb's Palsy, which is a condition where his right arm and shoulder tends to be weaker than his left.

“I never played left end before so I guess there was some uncertainty, but as far as my physical ability that wasn’t the reason why,” Clayborn said. “The experts talked about it and discussed it before the draft to give the fans something to talk about, but as far as me being able to play left end, I think I’m good.”

Three sacks is testament that Clayborn's right arm and shoulder are just fine.

The Buccaneers signed running back Bobby Rainey to add depth to the position while Doug Martin recovers from his shoulder injury. Whether or not Rainey sticks on Tampa Bay’s roster past November 11, which is Martin’s expected return, he is an interesting talent with an interesting story.

Rainey entered the NFL as an undrafted free agent out of Western Kentucky in 2012, signing with Baltimore last year, but not seeing any playing time until he landed in Cleveland this year. In limited duty, Rainey carried the ball 13 times for 34 yards (2.6 avg.), caught four passes for 19 yards and returned six kickoffs for 147 yards.

Just when Rainey was starting to feel like he had an NFL future with the Browns given Trent Richardson’s departure to Indianapolis via a trade, he was cut by Cleveland.

“It’s been crazy,” Rainey said. “I thought I was going to be in Cleveland for a while and then I was released on Friday. Then I found out on Monday that I was going to be here. It’s been a crazy situation, especially with the baby. There’s a lot going on right now.”

The baby? With Rainey traveling across the country to play football, his significant other is nine months pregnant.

“She’s due any time now,” Rainey said. “It’s my first one, so I’m very excited. She’s due between now and November 6.”

So what’s going to happen if the phone rings on a game day and Rainey’s lady is labor? Would he choose to play or take a flight to the hospital?

“I don’t know, that’s something I need to talk to Coach about,” Rainey said. “We’ll cross that road when it gets here. She’s in Paducah right now, and she’s from Paducah, Kentucky.”

Wonder what Greg Schiano, who isn’t exactly a player’s coach, would say about Rainey missing a game to witness his first child being born? Interesting to think about, but Rainey needs to earn a living by making a solid impression by showing off the talent he displayed in college.

At Western Kentucky, Rainey was the Hilltoppers’ workhorse back. After carrying the ball 179 times for 1,179 yards and six touchdowns during his first two seasons, Rainey became the full-time starter as a junior, rushing for 340 times for 1,649 yards (4.9 avg.) and 15 touchdowns to finish in the top 5 in the nation in rushing, in addition to catching 29 passes for 230 yards.

As a senior, Rainey was a marked man, but was also the epitome of consistency, rushing for 1,695 yards on 369 carries (4.6 avg.), while catching 36 passes for 361 yards and four touchdowns. Rainey was so involved in the Hilltoppers’ offense that he also completed 3-of-5 halfback passes in his career for 53 yards with two touchdowns and no interceptions.

But despite 972 touches on offense, Rainey still has plenty of tread left on his tires.

“I carried the ball between 25-30 carries per game, but since I’ve been in the league I’ve barely carried it,” Rainey said. “I’ve had about two years of rest. I’m ready to go.

“Anything I can do to help the team as far as special teams or as a running back or in pass protection. I’m more of a scatback – more like a [Darren] Sproles-type.”

While Rainey is a newcomer to Tampa, he has a very familiar face right around the corner in University of South Florida head coach Willie Taggert, who was his head coach at Western Kentucky.

“He called me [Tuesday], so most likely we’ll get together this week,” Rainey said. “Basically I’m diving into the playbook right now and trying to learn as much as I can. I’m here to help the team, but I have to know what I’m doing in order to help the team. I’m in the playbook already. It’s a lot, and it’s different, but I started knowing a few of the plays. I’m ready to help out.”

FAB 5. Here are a few things to hold you over until the next edition of SR's Fab 5:

• Because he was limited in practice during the month of August as he rehabbed his knee, count Bucs right guard Davin Joseph as one of those few veterans who actually sees the need for all of the hot, daily practices without much rest during the week as a means to prepare for the regular season.

“Getting back in football shape isn’t just conditioning,” Joseph said. “It’s about getting your body’s ability to recover on a day-to-day basis from practices and week-to-week basis from games. Training camp is necessary. It’s a necessary deal. Even as you get older with all of the experience you may have you still need training camp. I’m getting close, but I still have to deal with the challenge of consistently getting better and better each week.”

• Aside from being physical, what else has Tampa Bay rookie nose tackle Akeem Spence learned from veteran defensive end Adrian Clayborn?

“Don’t let one bad play turn into two,” Spence said. “With this game you are going to make a lot of mistakes, and you just have to bounce back. He told me he’s made a lot of mistakes his first couple of years and you just have to learn from them and go on to the next play. The coaches aren’t going to pull you out just because you make a mistake because they believe in you, otherwise you wouldn’t be out there. So you just have to learn from it and move on.”

• One of the marks of a great head coach is the type of assistant coaches he hires. How far do the roots and branches of a head coach’s coaching tree spread? Bill Walsh had future NFL head coaches Mike Holmgren, Jim Fassel, Sam Wyche, George Seifert and Dennis Green on his staff in San Francisco. Marty Schottenheimer once had Bill Cowher, Tony Dungy and Herman Edwards on his staff in Kansas City. Bill Parcells had Tom Coughlin, Bill Belichick, Sean Payton and Tony Sparano on his staff in New York.

In Tampa Bay, Dungy hired Edwards and other future NFL coaches in Rod Marinelli and Lovie Smith, as well as the legendary defensive coordinator Monte Kiffin. In addition to these coaches, others such as Mike Shula, Clyde Christensen and Joe Barry have also been successful assistant coaches and coordinators in the NFL and in college.

Although he doesn’t get enough credit for it, Jon Gruden has hired several assistant coaches that have had a lot of success in Tampa Bay and elsewhere:

Rich Bisaccia – Cowboys special teams coordinator
Aaron Kromer – Bears offensive coordinator
Nathaniel Hackett – Bills offensive coordinator
Kyle Shanahan – Redskins offensive coordinator
Jay Gruden – Bengals offensive coordinator
Jeremy Bates – former Bears quarterbacks coach
Bill Callahan – Cowboys offensive coordinator
Raheem Morris – Redskins defensive backs coach

Hackett, Bates, Shanahan and his brother, Jay, got their first big NFL breaks under Gruden, who also employed Kiffin, Marinelli, Tomlin and linebackers coach Joe Barry in Tampa Bay. Now compare that to Schiano’s staff.

Dave Wannstedt and Butch Davis have former head coaching experience. Bill Sheridan has previously been an NFL defensive coordinator, offensive coordinator Mike Sullivan was previously a quarterbacks coach, quarterbacks coach John McNulty has coached in the NFL and in college, as has wide receivers coach John Garrett. Both pass rush coach Bryan Cox and running backs coach Earnest Byner have also been in the league.

But where are the developmental coaches? Where are the rising stars on Schiano’s staff? Is there anyone destined for greatness on the staff? Is there a Marinelli or a Morris on the staff? At 0-7 it certainly doesn’t seem like it.

• And finally, don’t let the fact that the Buccaneers are trying hard and not quitting fool you. The players aren’t necessarily trying hard because they are playing for head coach Greg Schiano. Instead, they are playing for themselves and each other.

This is a very tight knit team and the players really get along well and enjoy playing for each other. They aren't playing hard to save the coach's job. They are playing hard to save themselves. They've seen the starting quarterback get benched and then released in a contract year. That sends a message from the tyrannical Schiano that no one's job is safe. That's why the players will be very guarded with their comments later today about whether they believe in Schiano or not. They don't want to get released like Josh Freeman did.

One Buccaneer Place has become a toxic work environment – and not due to MRSA. Schiano is a very tightly-wound dictator that creates an atmosphere of fear and has the players playing very uptight way. Once he's fired, don't be surprised if an interim head coach like Dave Wannstedt has some success at the end of the season in terms of getting the players to play looser and more relaxed. That should result in at least a couple of wins given the talent on this football team.

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    Why have not not fired the head coach by now? What are they waiting for? We fans have had a enough of this so called head coach! Great insight SR ! There is no one I have seen or heard that want this coach to stay! Let him be gone tomorrow ! I bet you could coach better than he does! And you just write about the team!
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    Since the Glazers have no football savvy or business experience other than running mobile home parks they need professional help. After the season is over they need to hire consultants’ with NFL background to reorganize their front office and find a new general manager and coach. I don’t’ know who told them to hire Dominick but Belichick is credited with recommending Schiano. They were buddies so Glazers did not get an objective opinion. There are 31 assistant general managers in the league to consider as a new GM and 62 coordinators to look at. I hope they don’t go the college rout again. I am putting my renewal on hold until I see what changes are made.
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    yes "easy" fix (of course winning in the NFL is always hard, but Bucs can get very strong, fairly "easy"). Simply need one good offseason: Good Offensive mind, one additional WR/TE weapon, draft a QB, pass rush could be way better by play-calling/sheme (no horrible stunts, sending pressure while playing man), and maybe one more CB/DE. and viola! finished. and we wouldn´t even need a mastermind at D-Coordinater...just someone who knows how to sheme offense in modern era NFL and puts his players in position to succeed (Greg Roman + Marcus Mariotta would be dream come true)
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    Revis is doing good being maybe 80% back Williams injury has shut hime down which makes us a one wr team...Glennon gets as many drops as he gets completions. ..O line is beyond help now and starting cb Banks is on the brink of being a bust as a starter...but its ok its all the coach...easy fix.
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    Yes Banks doesn´t look too good right now, but he could develope (as seen with Barber). Glennon should have been picked off many times (drops by defenses) plus Glennons´ball placement is weak and he is not a modern era QB and the rest of his skill set doesn´t make up for that. Revis is 16Mio heavy, better letting him recover rest of season, or playing limited amount of snaps, because this season isn´t worth it and if he realy re-injures that same knee, than his carreer is realy likely to be over. Same on (B)MW - better letting him recover. all that moves would also help us to get in draft position.
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    Again a great article by Scott. Again, yes Shiano needs to be fired asap, because it doesn´t do any good for an football organization, to hold on to someone at a position this high despite the fact, that he will be fired no matter what (especialy football business, where every roster move counts significantly). Again: Coach and Dominik failed together(even if Dominik wasn´t on board with all of the decisions, he let them happen). One more time I will say: Jay Gruden has a good relationsships.. but he runs a west-cost system. Not bad, but: In next years draft, there seems to be top talent in the new-era type of QB (Russel Wilson; Kaepernick; Newton, RGIII; Vick) they are way harder to defend than typical drop back QB´s everyone who has played the game on field knows that - Conclussion: get a great offensive mind like Greg Roman (who is also loved by players, which means players are more likely to sign with this team if they aren´t looking just for the dollars - or someone else; if Jay Gruden says in a job interview, that he thinks he is capable of running such type of offense, its good, trust him) and then go and get freaking Marcus Mariotta. Bridgewater is good but Mariotta is lights out athlete and that´s the difference maker in the NFL, and he makes good decisons tooL.. - back to shiano who seem to go TKO: good talent evaluater (could get a job in the front office^^ )but bad with X´s and O´s - and thats the difference maker, along side with the teams talent, in the NFL. ;-) just because we change HC this year, doesn´t mean we have to win games(and loose draft posi). Heck, we can put a lot of young players in instead of the top guys, just to avoid injurys and to scout talent... man it could be so simply, and still it´s always the same....
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    Thank You my friend scott.I'd remember when I sent you article when you had the other bucs paper. But I think it is time to let him go period. Tampa does have two former Head coaches in place to do the job.GO Bucs
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    Dear Jon, my brother and I couldn't help noticing how good you looked wearing your Buc cap at Sapps hall of fame induction. It accured to us, what were we thinking? You know how you do that little show on ESPN, where you talk to all the top Q.B. prospects? Now think what it would be like actually getting to draft, and coach that player for your Tampa Bay Bucs. Name your price Jon, anyone here you want gone will be gone. We saw it in your eyes that day, you are a true Buc man. This is your home, please come back. Yours truely, Frick, and Frack Glazer.
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    Rich Bisaccia should be our next head coach! I called for him before the Schiano hire and I still think he is the best candidate for the job! He has respect and from all over the league and the Tampa bay area and has many years of NFL experience. He can recruit coaches from all over the league and knows how to treat players. Rich Bisaccia Rich Bisaccia Rich Bisaccia Rich Bisaccia Lets go get him!
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    Let me tell you something Morgan. I've never missed a home game in 38 years. I've never left a game early. I have 6 lower bowl season tickets and 2 level 1 Club Seats costing around $10,000 a season. I have a truck (my wife drives it) adorned in Buccaneers. I am sitting in my red and pewter den that is covered with Buccaneers memorabilia from 1974 (franchise awarded) to now. Please don't disrespect my loyalty and refer to me as a "dilweed" because I think Schiano isn't a NFL head . You can't really think this guy deserves to continue coaching just because he's wearing a Buccaneer cap. Horse and I are old school and seen enough of this guy. That doesn't make us "dilweeds." Tumbleweeds maybe.
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    Blindly supporting the team when management is p ssing this season away with all this talent, is nuts. Empty stadium is going to force this to a head. Glazers will make a move.
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    Calling for an 0-7 coach to be fired isn't not supporting the team, it's not supporting the coach. Sad that some people can't tell the difference.
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    @Morgan: Enough with the "fair weather fan crap". And we Bucs fans shouldn't settle for being "pretty darn competitive" through 2 and a half quarters. Did you see the final score? Do you know the Bucs are 0 - 7? Seriously.
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    Support the team, the coaches, the players dude. If not, then you're really not a Bucs fan. #Fairweather.
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    Say did anyone else wonder why when we actually were in Panthers territory with a 2nd and 1, that we would try to throw a pass and get sacked? Here was a situation where it seemed that a nice little QB sneak etc. would get us 4 more downs. I guess there is no answer.......except Schian Ofer7. I am not sure if I have the fortitude to watch the Seahawks game....
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    I supported schiano when he came here and gave him the benefit of the doubt after this last disastrous draft, because we got revis. Especially since the one before was so good. But this is a joke, and something has to be done. The freeman affair was handled very unprofessionally. And we didn't even get a low draft pick. This team is being gutted. Who else is going to be sacrificed before it is all over ? I totally agree with this article. Please save this organization from further embarrassment. We have talent on the team. There simply is no excuse.
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    I'm happy to hear that Schiano won't last the season. I actually made a promise to myself sometime in the past week or so that if Schiano wasn't fired BEFORE the end of this season that I was done as a Bucs fan. Above and beyond the wins and losses I feel like the handling of the Josh Freeman situation was an embarrassment to the organization. The drug program leaks. Cutting him after destroying his trade value. Thats screwing with your own employers investment. I don't understand how that doesn't get him fired on its own. I understand that we 'don't know who did it'. I don't want to turn my back on the Bucs and will breathe a sigh of relief if/when Schiano does get fired this season but if he doesn't then I'm done. I can find other things to drive me to drink on Sundays.
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    Seems clear to me that the "Joes" have put their collective feet down against the man with the x's and o's. Sapp would have been one of the players to be shown the door under Schiano. A legend, a leader. The players will not win a game for this guy. That's all there is to say. We as fans should not hold hope week after week as the players have already made up their mind. I have to believe this was established in the players only meeting and the tapping of players interactions on the field shows me that Greg knew he had lost them then. I have to imagine our players have told our opponents before during and after games that we are just going to lay down.
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    The Chinese have a saying, "The fish rots from the head first." Whom might that be? The Glazers? Mark Dominic? Schiano?
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    Well said DrT!
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    The season is over. Why not start doing some articles on which players are expected to be selected in the top of the draft and which coaches may be available. My vote is for Lovie Smith.
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    Game was close until Page's fumble - with about 6 mins left in the 3rd quarter....that's pretty damn competitive.....then the team had to go into desperation mode. Still pulling for the coach and players - anyone who doesn't shouldn't consider themselves a Bucs fan anymore........Fairweather.
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    Morgan, BORING, Heard it before, heard it enough. What are you, the official fan monitor?
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    Also. Schiano is the epitome of toxic now. No reason for him to stay. Agree with comment about rearranging chairs on USS SCHIANO (lol) but does it make sense to hire LOVIE SMITH as PFT suggested as interim giving us time to ponder HCs and if he's the right guy keep him rather than lose him to the market for 2014. Could be a savvy move and would make our D happier I am sure. Also time to evaluate our existing OC and DC. Do we really need new offensive strategies and playbooks AGAIN???? I wanna know: What would Revis, Goldston and other pro D guys we have now want. And who would V Jax, Williams, Martin and our pro O guys want.
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    Cowher has said on more than one occasion that it won't happen anytime soon, and last January he couldn't have been more clear: "I have no plans to go back into coaching." He sounded a similar tone this week when speaking to the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette's Ed Bouchette. “I had the best job in the NFL,'' Cowher said of his 15 years coaching the Steelers. “I realize that, that's why all the talk about me coming back is just that. I had the best job in the league; I didn't get out of it to get back in it.” Does that mean Cowher has decided to never coach again? “I would never say that. I don't know how I'll feel in two years. Never say ‘never' because then you become a hypocrite," he said. "I've seen too many other people in my profession say ‘never' and come back. Always keep doors open in life, that's the important thing to do. “I'm very happy doing what I'm doing. I work at it, I'll get better at it, it has allowed me to do things in life I never could have have. I'm in a good place.'' So for the the seventh straight offseason, it sounds like Cowher's name won't appear on any coaching short lists. Then again, as he points out, never say never. =========================== http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24072730/cowher-on-coaching-in-nfl-i-didnt-get-out-of-it-to-get-back-in
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    And is Butch Davis any good for us? WHAT EXACTLY DOES THIS GUY DO BESIDES DRAW A PAY CHECK? ( caps warranted since no one ever speaks about him in any meaningful way)
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    Scott: With you totally on this one. Would you comment on the idea of getting a more football savvy President for the Bucs who could pick the right coach and the right franchise potential QB for us? And do you think Dom SHOULD survive this, as I do? Not only for continuity, but I don't think he's done anything to be fired over. Comments Puleez.
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    Scott, Is there a reason why you are so pro Wannstedt and not Butch Davis? I notice you commonly mention one and barely mention the other. It would seem if you look at track record you would easily want Davis' success in past stops over Wannstedt's who is at best a marginal HC. I recognize it's like rearranging deck chairs on the USS Schiano but still.
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    Butch Davis can't coach until 2015 d/t to his settlement with UofNC severance pay.
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    Wow, Schiano has a 5 year, $15M contract? I'd say that's the biggest reason why he's still employed.....
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    Morgan- enough with the 'I'm a better fan than you' nonsense you fill every thread with- everyone knows your a Schiano backer and guess what- WE DONT CARE...to are entitled to your opinion but your crap is tired..you are just like the blowhard coach you blindly support..most fans are tired of a decade of marginal football and Schianos presence has finally put a head on this boil- he needs lancing..if being blind makes a true fan,I would rather keep my sight..
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    Nothing to do with being a fan - its always: "Look at me, look at me! I can one up yours!"
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    @cremdonado - completely agree with you regarding Morgan. I posted a similar and lengthy reply to the post game recap article and somehow it got removed from the boards.
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    cremdinado, exactly correct. I can support the team and still think changes are necessary to get better, just like I can support the USA, but dont agree with who is in charge all of the time and how the country is run.
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    The problem with many of you is that you talked about playoffs and beyond with this team, not realizing that this team was sub-.500 at best. You thought you got Revis Island and all was going to be great. Now you're left holding your ****s in your hands whining about the dictator coach. This team was never that good in the first place.
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    That was by far the worst performance of the season. What happened to the defense??? That has to be it for schiano. PR -- any word from Dom? It seems like he's disappeared once again from the spotlight, just like he did towards the end of raheem's era. Loosing respect for him again.
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    Game was close until Page's fumble, then the team had to go into desperation mode. Still pulling for the coach and players - anyone who doesn't shouldn't consider themselves a Bucs fan anymore........Fairweather.
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    Wins will only make Schiano believe his hype even more.the more the team loses games,the greater the chance the owners dump the coach..by losing, the players can win a new coach..this is simple..the glazers might keep him on til the end of the year to assure the team and its new coach a decent draft position along with the keys to the building..why win now to prove how wrong a choice Schiano is/was..save the winning for our new head coach next year- lets go for the win with assuring us the number two pick...
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    The Falcons game was ugly. The game last night against the Panthers with one of the best front sevens in the NFL (ranked 2nd in total defense) and Doug Martin out, was even uglier. The Seahawks, with arguably the best secondary in the NFL (ranked 3rd in total defense), is going to be the ugliest. It’s not likely, perhaps even unfair to fire a coach that has enough games remaining to turn his season around. If we lose to the Seahawks as I expect we will, then my best guess is that we will get some kind of an announcement following the Monday Night Football game should we lose against the Dolphins. The record would then be 0-9 with no possibility of a winning season. Just like yesterday, another day long regurgitation of everything that has gone wrong with the Bucs under Schiano on all of the major sports networks followed by the nationally-televised embarrassment of another Buc loss will be too much humiliation for the Glazers to bear. Anything longer than that would be considered cruel and unusual punishment!
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    @macabee, give Schian Ofer7 until he is Schian Ofer10, so then even matching last seasons record is impossible. It is only 3 more games. On another note, I think it is really too late even with a coaching change to beat any team except maybe the Rams. 1-15 is looking to be the best record we can hope for....
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    I thank those that wore bags to the game last night and pulled open banners. The Panthers slaughtered the Schiano-Sheridan Coached Bucs just as I warned they would. Shiano's Pet QB is not even showing the skills that Freeman did in his first year as a Buc QB. Glennon overthrew numerous passes. His completion rate last night was terrible. He has yet to show the leadership Freeman showed his first year when he had some comeback wins in the Fourth Quarter. Glennon fades in the Fourth Quarter every game. He will never be more than an NFL Backup. Wannstadt would have the smarts to get wins with Orlovsky. Sheridan started with Revis using bump and run on Smith but then would shift the defense to his stupid zone and the Panthers had too much success against us in the air. Davis would fix that in a New Your minute and would properly use Revis's talents. There is just no excuse for the Glazers to let this travesty progress another minute.
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    This team isn't winning because they don't want to ...coach is an *censored* and no matter how much he THINKS he is in control,he isn't..there has been a mutiny on this ship for quite a while,it's time for Schiano to walk the plank..Put a decent coach in his place- one who treats his players respectfully and like men and the L's will turn to W's.
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    Good article Scott, and I guess I'm ready whenever the Glazers are, we are going in the wrong direction.
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    Good article PR, well said all around.
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    except Cowher has said several times that he's not coming back - and I'm sure if he did, he wouldn't come back to to a team without a decent franchise QB in place...he knows better.
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    Great article SR. Right on the money!
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    Writer admits "the truth is that if Schiano was well liked and had taken the time to work with the media instead of against the media he might have some allies that could make excuses for his Buccaneers and attempt to quell the angry fan base and buy Schiano more time.".......sounds like a personal vendetta to me.
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    PewterReportSR; very good Article. Joseph will be back this next season. Demps, Martin need to go on IR. The longer he stays the coach, the harder it will be to turn this team around. We have 5 wins in this team if Schiano is gone today. I want wins; I don't care about whether we have spot 1,2,3 in the draft. The players might want to send a message to the owners and ask if the captains can talk to them. Schiano needs to be fired today.
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    Joseph, Martin, etc just need to be IRd. Utterly pointless and Revis isn't 100% either...ugh.
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    It has come to such a low that an in-season firing is possible? That is completely nuts but this season has the potential to worsen before it is over.
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