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December 10, 2013 @ 6:31 am
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Schiano Might Have Saved His Job With Win Over Bills

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Scott Reynolds

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The Buccaneers' 27-6 win over the Bills on Sunday was Tampa Bay's fourth victory in the last five games and may have saved head coach Greg Schiano's job. Behind the improved play of Tampa Bay's defense and QB Mike Glennon, Schiano and the Bucs are now 4-1 after a disappointing 0-8 start to the 2013 campaign.
A week after a crushing, 27-6 loss at Carolina that halted Tampa Bay’s three-game winning streak, the Buccaneers showed better effort in drubbing the Buffalo Bills, 27-6, to win for the fourth time in the last five games. The Bucs are assured of no worse than a 4-4 finish over the final eight weeks to a wacky and disappointing season that saw the team start off 0-8.

Thanks to Sunday’s win over Buffalo, a 4-4 finish down the stretch might be enough to save the job of embattled head coach Greg Schiano.

When the Buccaneers benched quarterback Josh Freeman and started rookie Mike Glennon in Week 4 of the NFL season, it is believed that Schiano was told that the team had to split its remaining 12 games in order to keep his job. With three games left against San Francisco and two road contests at St. Louis and New Orleans, accomplishing that feat and finishing 6-10 – or even 7-9 – is still possible.

But given the fact that the Bucs have lost close games in the final minutes to New York (18-17), New Orleans (16-14), Arizona (13-10) and Seattle (27-24) in overtime and have won four out of their last five games, getting four wins over the final eight games may be good enough to keep Schiano around given all the turmoil and distractions that surrounded the start of the season with the Freeman drama and the MRSA outbreak.

The Glazers will likely take into consideration that the Bucs lead the league with players on injured reserve with 14, and have been without the services of Pro Bowl left guard Carl Nicks, who has only played in two games due to a MRSA infection despite not being placed on injured reserve. Tampa Bay’s four wins over the past five weeks have come without the services of Pro Bowl running back Doug Martin and playmaking wide receiver Mike Williams and a host of other contributors.

The good news for Schiano is that his team also leads the league in a more positive statistic – interceptions. Upgrading the secondary was a major focus this past offseason and led to the acquisition of Pro Bowl free safety Dashon Goldson via free agency, Pro Bowl cornerback Darrelle Revis via a trade and cornerback Johnthan Banks via the draft.

Those three players have combined for six of Tampa Bay’s league-leading 21 interceptions with three games to go. The Bucs defense accounted for only 18 interceptions last season.

Tampa Bay had the league’s worst pass defense last year, surrendering 297.4 yards per game. In 2013, the Bucs are ranked 17th and are allowing 238.4 yards per game, a 59-yard improvement over a year ago.

After ranking 24th in the NFL for allowing an average of 24.6 points per game in 2012, Tampa Bay’s scoring defense is allowing just 22.4 points this year, which ranks 11th in the NFL.

But that’s not the only area where the defense has improved. Tampa Bay recorded just 27 sacks last year, and already has 31 this season – thanks to seven against Buffalo – with three games remaining.

Due to the interceptions created by the improved secondary, Tampa Bay has a plus-13 turnover differential, which ranks second in the NFL. Last year, the Bucs had a plus-3 turnover differential, which ranked 12th in the NFL.

“We just don’t quit,” Bucs Pro Bowl defensive tackle Gerald McCoy said. “It all starts with our head coach and how he is. He’s very consistent with his effort and nothing really changes with how he prepares, how he comes to work everyday and it makes you want to work harder for that guy. Just stemming from him all the way there, from him to the captains, from the captains all the way down, it’s just kind of contagious – that effort, and just not quitting. And it’s working out for us. Our preparation has been the same, we’re just finishing games. We’re making the plays that were weren’t making before.”

If Schiano does stay, he may have to make some changes on his coaching staff. PewterReport.com has learned that defensive coordinator Bill Sheridan will likely stay due to the improvement of the defense and the development of young star players like McCoy, Banks, linebacker Lavonte David and strong safety Mark Barron.

However, the Bucs offense has struggled mightily this year, ranking 30th in points with an average of 18.7 points per game, and ranking 31st in total yardage, averaging 291.5 yards per game. That could cost offensive coordinator Mike Sullivan his job, especially with quarterbacks coach John McNulty on the staff. McNulty served as Schiano’s offensive coordinator at Rutgers in 2008.

Perhaps more importantly, McNulty has done a very good job developing Glennon, who has shown some promise and potential indicating he could be the team’s quarterback of the future. He will certainly be the quarterback in 2014 for the Buccaneers as the team does not plan on drafting one in the first round next year.

Schiano’s chances of sticking around as Tampa Bay’s head coach in 2014 have largely been tied to Glennon’s development. The rookie quarterback has broken several franchise rookie records and has completed 191-of-315 passes (60.6 percent) for 2,052 yards with 15 touchdowns, seven interceptions and a QB rating of 86.4.

Glennon struggled mightily against Buffalo on Sunday, completing just 9-of-25 passes (36 percent) for 90 yards with two touchdowns and two interceptions, but the Bills defense entered the game as the league’s leading sack team, and is ranked second in the NFL in interceptions. In the five games prior to Sunday’s win, Glennon had completed close to 70 percent of his passes, so Schiano is hoping that Glennon’s performance against the Bills was more of the exception than the norm.

“We’re playing really well right now, but we still have three games left that we want to finish strong,” Glennon said. “It’s nice to see the second half of the season we’re 4-1.”

Glennon will have to play markedly better against San Francisco, which is coming off a victory against Seattle, this Sunday at Raymond James Stadium. The 49ers bring a 9-4 record to Tampa Bay, and will become the eighth team out of the 11 teams the Bucs have played this year that currently have a winning record.

Buccaneers 2013 Strength of Schedule
New York Jets 6-7
New Orleans Saints 10-3
New England Patriots 10-3
Arizona Cardinals 8-5
Philadelphia Eagles 8-5
Atlanta Falcons 3-10
Carolina Panthers 9-4
Seattle Seahawks 11-2
Miami Dolphins 7-6
Atlanta Falcons 3-10
Detroit Lions 7-6
Carolina Panthers 9-4
Buffalo Bills 4-9
Opponents’ Combined Record: 95-74

The fact that Tampa Bay has had the hardest strength of schedule of any team in the NFL also helps Schiano’s cause with the Glazers. It’s one thing to play so many good teams in one year. It’s another thing to do so with a rookie quarterback for most of the season and with so many reserve players in the starting lineup replacing a multitude of starters whose season ended prematurely due to injury.

“We’re finding ways to win the game, but I mean, against good football teams [earlier in the year], we were in games, but we just found ways to lose games,” Schiano said. “Literally, you look at it and say we invented ways to lose some games.

“I’m just worried about where we are now. We’ve got a heck of an opponent coming in Sunday, so we’ve got our work cut out for us. I know our guys are excited about it. It was a physical game, so we’re going to have to see how we fare [with injuries]. We don’t have a lot of wiggle room right now.”

During the team’s dreadful 0-8 start, Schiano’s tenure in Tampa Bay appeared to be doomed. However, a 4-1 start to the second half of the season has given the Bucs head coach some much needed wiggle room when it comes to remaining at One Buccaneer Place in 2014.

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    Give Schiano one more year but get a new OC. Glennon will be fine. I can remember a lot of the same posters bitching about Glennon saying that GMC was a bust. How did that turn out?.... Glennon is going to be every bit as good as Matt Ryan when he has the weapons Matt Ryan has. Right now Glennon has what?.....V-Jax and a cast of practice squad players. He's still putting up better #'s than Matt Ryan. Glennon can make all the throws and is a smart hard working QB. He can get us to where we need to go because our defense is going to be the key to our future. If we won a SB with Brad Johnson we can win one with Glennon.
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    Just a little FYI for my friends at Buc nation. I took a look at the two drafts under Coach Schiano and the drafts under both Coach Morris and Coach Gruden. I took the liberty of including Revis as this years # 1. I fully realize that the draft process is a collaborative team effort but to think that the HC doesn't have a large vote would be foolish. I don't believe Mark Dominick became a draft genius overnight. The last two drafts have produced 9 starters, most of whom will be around for quite a while. The two preceding drafts 3.
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    Budduh: It was your comment that you could see Glennon not being the 4th ranked QB in our Division which inferred you think he's better than Ryan right now. I'm willing to give him a chance and know he's a rookie on a weakened offense. I have repeatedly said I would judge Glennon and Schiano at the end of this season. But have also said, regarding Glennon, that "so far" I'm not seeing anything to make me think he's a budding star. Right now he's thinking and playing in fear of making a mistake. I'd like to see him "let er rip" and see what we have. How would you asses him if he were on another team? With regards to the Draft; who really knows who will be elite in any one of these QB Crap Shoots? I do think Johnny Football would sell a few tickets. Too bad Winston isn't available.
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    A few comments. Jon Gruden--Mr dink and dunk with the stupid looking face. The game against Buffalo--horrible to watch. I wish to be entertained when I watch football. This so called coach throws the ball 5 times and basically runs out the clock. In addition, I am sure the Glazers wish to make a profit. It seemed to mean that the stadium was half empty starting in the 2nd half. Lots of lost money. Is it possible they are losing more money that would be much higher than the salary that would have to eat to get rid of Schiano. I don't honestly think that he is capable of making the team any better than 8-8. He's not good enough, nor is his staff because most of them seem to be from Rutgers. Based on the crap he has pulled from the rushing of the kneel down and so on, what good assistant would want to work for him. Would they have any autonomy? He may be kissing *censored* with the media, but will he revert to his usual behavior if he returns. Look at how the 2nd half of the Buffalo game was played. I find it hard to believe that he does not over rule Sullivan a lot. The one thing I would like to see a lot of input on is the Freeman situation. Who can a QB who set team records and was high in team total offense want to leave? Perhaps someone can list all of his supposed sins from drug use, to being a drunk, and so on. Yes, I am sorry to see him gone, but I would like to see some closure. Some of these writers claim they have access to the dressing room. I am sure they must have some clues. Like many other people, if he returns, I am done following the Bucs until he is replaced. He is an embarrassment to the community. I am so pissed off. Merry Xmas from Canada
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    Scubug, you misintrerpret what I meant. First of all, you don't evaluate a rookie against a guy who has been in the league for five or six years. If you want to compare Ryan and Glennon, compare their first eight games in the league, then we can talk. Guys get better and guys get worse. We don't know which way Glennon will go. Last year's heroes are this year's bums--see RG III. Glennon has looked good FOR A ROOKIE. He's had bad games (which we won) Buffalo; and good games (which we lost (Seattle). He has better stats than Luck had last year. Put Indianbapolis in the NFC South and they would be 6-10. All I'm asking for is a fair appraisal. We are playing with our fourth and fifth string tight ends; our third string running back; and two wide receivers not on the roster when we broke camp. That can't be completely discounted. No, Glennon is not Tom Brady. if that's the point, fine, I agree. If, on the other hand, you've already reached the conclusion that he'll never be a starting caliber quarter back, then I say you don't know what you're talking about. Young quarterbacks need reps. Every week they see something new, something they haven't seen before. The fact is, there is no evidence that the Glazers are considering firing Schiano. I don't know they're reasoning, but I know that little by little, the defense has been improving. I also know that the schedule has been very tough. Forget about coaching. We don't have the personnel to beat New Orleans, Seattle, Carolina, San Francisco, and New England. That we damn near beat New Orleans and Seattle means our coaching was good THAT DAY. That we lost to the Jets and Atlanta tells me that the coaching was bad THOSE DAYS. You can't simply discount the effect the JOSH FREEMAN Fiasco had on this team. If the cause rests with Schiano, then I'm in favor of firing him. But if it's not, I see no reason at all to fire him. So far I've seen no evidence that Schiano was to blame.
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    That's just freaking GREAT. Thanks for nothing, Glaziers.
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    Definitely agree scubog. Mike Glennon is a nice rookie story. I don't think anyone considers him a star or even good starting QB at this time. But he has done a good job so far. Comparing him to Matt Ryan? c'mon. Another question. Why is beating a bad Bills team at home saving Schiano's job? Maybe beating the Saints or the 49ers this week might save it. Beating the Bills should not save anyone's job. Losing to the Bills might cost someone their job though.
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    Scubog, who do you see as elite in this draft? Scouts are saying Bridgewater might not hold up in the NFL, he couldn't beat UCF at home. Speaking of UCF Blake Bortles is rising up the draft charts because of his proto typical size, and arm. I'm a big UCF fan so trust me when I say, it'll take him a couple of years to adapt to the pros. I'm not overly impressed with any Q.B.coming out this year, and I don't see any elite free agents hitting the market. You say you'd take Matt Ryan over Glennon,I say I'd take his wide receivers, and tight end over ours. Ryan hasn't looked so good when the talent around him went down, got whipped by us! So I understand everyone wanting instant success,but there's no quick fix out there. It's way to early to know what we have in Glennon. Fans want to bale on A 23 year old Q.B. who hasn't played a whole season yet, unbelievable.
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    Buddah: Ludicrous! Put Glennon and Matt Ryan up for trade and see who garners the most in return. There's not one GM who would take Glennon over Ryan. Think Dominik would make an even swap with Atlanta? Mike Glennon is probably a nice try hard young QB. But so far he has not shown that he is the reason we would win games and is certainly not keeping defensive coordinators up at night trying to figure out how to stop him. He may well develop into a good QB, but if I have a chance to land a potential elite one, I'm taking the chance. Guys like Glennon are a dime a dozen.
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    Two statements that say it all right now as we stare down a 4-12 season: Schiano (at 0-8): "We are a well coached team" and Glennon (after the Bills game): "We’re playing really well right now"...I'm just amazed at the lack of self awareness on this team...WE ARE NOT WELL COACHED and WE ARE NOT PLAYING WELL...that's why we're currently 4-9, otherwise we would be 9-4 and wouldn't have just won the embarassment bowl against the Bills!
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    And finally, if you would take Mike Glennon over Matt Ryan, you have to be crazy. I don't even like Matt Ryan, but he and Glennon aren't in same league. As for Cam, I don't see how you could argue against him being a top 8 QB this year.
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    Also, reading all the people who say there has been improvement, my response would be where? We were 7-9 last year, my guess is we finish 5-11 this year. That is not improvement. And what really upsets me is poor Lavonte David would be in contention for DPOY if we resembled a real football team, and now he may not make the Pro Bowl because we suck.
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    I think we will bring back Coach Schiano. I don't agree with that, but I am guessing we will. IMO he is the worst coach we have had since the 80's. He banks his reputation on providing discipline, but we are last in penalty yards per game (the "undisciplined" coach he replaced ranked 9th, 18th, 28th.) With our previous coach we had a year where our only FA acquisition was a Punter. This year we added Revis and Goldson. We are built to win now, if we weren't planning on winning you don't add Revis. But I am guessing ownership wants to give him another year, and I am guessing that will happen. Maybe Coach Schiano has learned something, I don't know, but it shouldn't take a year and a half to learn how to utilize our best players (McCoy, David, Revis). Wasted year this year.
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    Scott - this article reads like a laundry list of excuses, which any losing coach in the history of the NFL could use. The question of whether tehse coaches should be back is simply one of understanding: do they give us the best opportunity to win (not are they nice guys, or given enough time they'll learn)? If we finish 4-4 (11-21 overall for these guys - since when is that acceptable), let's look at the 11 wins and point to any instances where the coaches were the reason we won...can't think of any, me neither. Now look at the 21 losses and point to any reasons the coaches caused us to lose: 1) prevent D with under 2 mins to play - cost us at least 4 losses (Wash, NO, Phily, NO again); 2) poor substiutions (cost us the Denver game - sub'ing Miller out on 4th down for no apparent reason only to get called for too many men, giving Manning new downs and a TD a few plays later); 3) mis-using Revis (definitely cost us the NO game when Brees threaded a pass to Colston covered by LJ for 31 yards to set up the game winnign field goal...Revis covering some guy who may not even be on Saints roster anymore); 4) decisions about our TE and Slot - or lack there of; 5) the whole Freman debacle (fine if you don't want him as your QB, but then tell Dom to trade him in the offseason and definitely don't go around destroying his reputation so that you absolutely can't trade him); 6) OT calls against Seattle (shotgun on 1st down leads to Glennon running out of bounds for no gain - wonder if SEA knew a deep pass to VJax was coming; then run up the middle for no gain (James had 16 yards in the 4th quarter - think SEA had adjusted); then shotgun again leading to a sack on 3rd and long), where are the 5-10 yard routes, where is the screen pass; 7) putting Glennon on the plank in his first start (ARZ) in the 4th quarter - why call deep passes out of our end when Glennon's nerves must have been fried (that's the only excuse Glennon gets from me by the way - it was his first game), surprise 2 picks and a loss; 8) there are lots more examples too - what other coaching staff can say their calls have led to more losses than poor play by their team has...not even Leeman and Ray can say that...I don't understand how you can suggest any of these senior coaches deserve any more time...isn't 32 games (plus 8 preseason) enough to see what they're all about ON THE FIELD - shouldn't SUNDAY be the day we judge their performance....
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    As long as Greg Schiano is HC I WILL NOT buy another ticket to see the Bucs. I'll sit at home and watch on TV, drink beer that is actually affordable and enjoy the conforts of my own couch. Once we get a Professional Coach I will think about renewing my Season Tickets.
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    Seriously? Schiano hasn't beaten a good team in over a year. Miami and Detroit are borderline .500 teams and Atlanta and Buffalo are bottom feeders in the league this year. If Schiano beats the 49ers or the Saints then I'd agree he stands a chance of keeping his job.
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    I think in order to fairly analyze the season the Bucs have had, you have to factor in that it took Schiano considerable time to win over the locker room. Supposedly this did not happen until players heard the insults hurled at Schiano by the fans after the blowout loss to Carolina at home. Then you heard veteran leaders like McCoy step up and say they had newfound respect for the HC, by the way he handled himself during that time. In the waning days of the Raheem Morris regime, the Bucs had zero discipline, in fact they didn't even look prepared to play, and got blown out by teams like the Jaguars and the Panthers, who were not very good at the time. Not close losses, we're talking blowouts (the struggling Jaguars hung 40+ points on that Bucs squad). That Bucs squad did not even look like it belonged in the NFL. There was zero accountability, zero discipline, etc. When Schiano was brought on board, this team needed a MAJOR culture change in order to be competitive in the NFL. Then at the start of the Schiano regime, players complained that he was too tough and that he was employing draconian college level tactics on "grown men". Some players even compared it to being in Cuba, although NFL players probably live a little bit better that people in Cuba. You have to remember that these players learned to live inside of a vacuum in terms of discipline and accountability during the Morris years. When Schiano came aboard, it was a major culture shock. After most of these players valiantly escaped Schiano's "communist dictatorship" as they put it, the players that he brought in happened to be high character individuals that stayed quiet and did their jobs. The result? Suddenly the Bucs started winning and now have won 4 of 5. That in and of itself is evidence that the culture change was not complete last year, and probably wasn't complete until we got rid of Freeman, and made a few other cuts. There is no question that this is one of the most talented teams in Bucs history, but you have to question when you have a handful of bad apples, if they were ruining the rest of the bucket. In looking back at this season, I would seriously question player effort at the beginning of it. I would even extend that analysis back to the end of last season. Recall that the offense that was averaging 27+ points a game suddenly got shutout by a New Orleans defense that ranked very near the bottom of the league in all defensive categories. Now that you have the right group of leaders in position, the performance of the team has improved. A coach cannot make the players play the game with intensity. He can motivate, he can challenge, but at the end of the day, cannot coerce a stellar performace out of every player that is capable of such performance. A lot of times, even multi-million dollar contracts are not enough motivation. The bottom line is, if this team plays with the intensity it is capable of week in and week out, there is no question the Bucs will be winners, and we have started to see this in the last 5 weeks. But Schiano had to fully win over the locker room first in order for that to happen.
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    With all due respect to posters who are fine with Schiano for another year, I have to ask: "How long do we fans accept mediocrity? How long do we say "we played a tough schedule" when EVERY team plays a tough schedule...it's the NFL! How long do we accept "being competitive" but still losing? How often have the Bucs even been in the playoffs in the last 15 years? 10 years? 5 years? How long do we put up with being the 3rd or 4th best team in our own division? How long do we say "well if we change ciaches it ciuld get worse" & give an example to support that claim (without considering a succes in the same situation (like the K C Chiefs)...and besides, how much worse can it get? How long do we say we are just fine with being as CONSISTENTLY bad as the Bills, the Jags, the Raiders & the Browns? Do you think the fans in Philly, N.Y., N.E., Green Bay, Pit., Den., Chi., & most other NFL cities would have put up with their team being soooo bad for soooo long as the Bucs have been? Why are we so complacent as to just hope the Bucs can compete for the playoffs every few years or so? How long do we simply look for "improvement" over the previous year & then forgive the GM & coach if they win only half as many as last year. Shouldn't we fans EXPECT...no DEMAND to see our team go toe to toe with the best teams in the league EVERY year? Is it because we have been lousy for so long that we just accept our fate every year, or is it that since we had a 10-win season a couple of years ago (albeit no playoff), that we hang our hat on that one forgotten season where we won more than we lost? Finally, coaches are paid to WIN in this league...no excuses, no gimmes, no "coulda shoulda woulda won that game had it not been for _________" (fill in the blank).
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    Yes, I can see Glennon being better than than 4th best QB in the Devision. In fact, his numbers this year make him third best. Ryan is having a terrible year largely because he's lost some of his major weapons and his offensive line is weak. Sound familiar? I'm not a big fan of Cam Newton's. He's had three years and still hasn't shown he can perform in big games. Despite big numbers, he was a big loser his first year. I agree that if Bridgewater were available you'd have to take him, but that's not going to happen. The Bengals have the third best quarterback in their division. The Eagles are winning with a QB everyone thought unimpressive in his rookie year. KC has won 10 games with a QB nobody wanted. It is rare for rookies to come in and wow at the quarterback position. Andrew Luck has benefited from playing in a terrible division and his rookie stats weren't as good as Glennon's. We're stuck evaluating Glennon while he is throwing to a bunch of guys who, other than Jackson, wouldn 't be playing on other teams.
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    My final opinion on Schiano, and Glennon for that matter, will await the end of the season at New Orleans. Perhaps Schiano shouldn't be so quick to conjoin himself to this QB and remember his "competition at every position" mandate of this past off-season. I know if I were Scubog Glazer I would want the HC to be on-board with drafting a potential franchise QB if that's what is best for the organization. Think Johnny Football might sell some tickets? So far Glennon doesn't resemble one to me. Does anyone see him as anything more than the 4th best in our division? Anyone game-planning to slow down a 90 yard passing performance? I would also expect Schiano's plan for improving the 31st ranked offense as I believe the special teams and defense are good enough to win. As a gauge of the team's standing from a year ago, one need only look to the Panthers games. Two victories turned into two resounding defeats. On the plus side, I have not seen this team quit. The defense is a scrappy, inspired group. The special teams are better than most except for a few missed FG's. Let's see how the last three games go.
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    I'm going to jump in with Mac, Buddah, and Martinii. We're to quick to want change that might turn out for the worst. Look at the Skins, they brought in a superbowl winning coach, drafted a top Q.B., and are loosing far worse then us. Their owner has had the team for about 14 years, and has had 7 different coaches. I'm not thrilled with all Schiano, but he seems to be adapting to the NFL, his players give 100 percent, and seem to have his back. We now know Freeman was a bigger problem then we first thought,and Schiano was saddled with him for his first year. I think our expectations for this team were unrealistic too. Freeman was not the franchise. Penn's play has slipped, Nicks hasn't seen the field, Joesph, Revis, and others were not 100 percent, we lost our # 2 receiver. When you examine all the facts, it would be foolish to pull the plug after only 2 seasons. Next year will tell us what we really need to know about Schiano. We are to quick in todays world to want instant success. Let's say Schiano gets fired, and we Land a big time coach, and that guy goes 7 and 9, do we fire him too? I always thought you give a coach at least 3 years in a five year deal.
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    I agree with macabee. The Buc's have played a tough schedual, had 14 players on IR (including an infected Carl Nicks on the 53 man roster,) a quarterback change, and a second year coach with a college resume. The defense seems to be improving, and while the offense needs a lot of work in the off-season, the return of several key players like Doug Martin, Mike Williams, and Nicks along with others should give Glennon more weapons. I'll admit I also called for a regime change after the 1st eight loses, but am willing to give Schiano another year. I think he is beginning to adjust his coaching style from college to the NFL. Draft or acquire through FA a TE, back-up QB, DE, (Pass rusher) and some O-line help and I think next year could be better. We have been through some bad times, seen a little improvement, and always have next year to look forward too. Go Bucs.........
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    I find myself in considerable disagreement with the anti-Schiano crowd not because I think Schiano has done a fabulous job but because the sentiment against him is based on unrealistic expectations and a superficial analysis of the team's performance. By all knowledgeable accounts, the Buccaneers have played the toughest schedule of any team. They have played five elite teams--new Orleans, seattle, Carolina (twice), and New England-- and lost all five (though they could have one two of them. That leaves eight games in which they are 4-4 and these infuse two teams having quite good seasons, Arizona and Philly. Seven of our 9 losses are to teams that simply have better overall personnel and that doesn 't include Miami, a team we beat that may also be considered over all more talented. So to say the Buccaneers have underperformed simply, though arguable, is not a slam dunk. Given Freeman's implosion from day one, there is no doubt that the expectations that this was a playoff team were simply wrong. When you factor in the loss of Nicks, you really are stretching things to say that we were sufficiently talented to be better than an 8-8 team with this schedule. Sure we should have beaten the jets and would have provided our best player didn't have a brain cramp. Once Glennon became the starter (and we lost most of our skill position players on offense, all bets were off. We have a defense that compete with just about anyone, but the offense since game 5 or so has lined up a grossly inadequate group of off the street players. That we've managed to beat the teams we should beat and two we weren't expected to beat--Miami and Detroit has to be credit to sheer determination, motivation, and coaching. I understand the anger; 0-8 sucks, but let's give credit where credit is due. It is now clear that many of the premises behind the fire Schiano movement were simply false. He did not lie about Freeman; he did not lose the locker room; his players did not hate him. Sure you can argue coaching philosophy, but how about a little objectivity.
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    @buddah - My criticism of Schiano is not done blindly or without objectivity. To your point about a tough schedule, how can that be even considered as an excuse? Are we only suppose to win if we play "cream puff" teams? To be a good team you have to beat other good teams. If we can't, then what's the point of being in the league? we'll never be considered a serious team. I didn't think we were Super Bowl caliber yet but 4 - 9? My expectations were the same as the entire Bucs organization - that we'd be better than last year. Why else would Bucs management spend the kind of cash they did on only a few players? Because they felt Revis and Goldson were part of a few missing pieces we need to be in the playoff picture. So how is saying they've under-performed being anything but factual. If so, then ALL of the Bucs management needs to go because THEY can't realistically evaluate their own talent. Freeman's implosion - that was poorly handled from the start of last season. If you thought he was bad, he shouldn't have started. Period. Instead, it was allowed to affect training camp and the first half of the season while receiving no residual value for him on the open market. Loosing Nicks - we didn't have Nicks for virtually all of last year last year NOR Davin Joseph and the O-line was better. Why? You want credit to be given to Schiano? O.K. He participated in good (or potentially good) draft picks (excellent with L. David) with some high character people which has directly contributed to him being able to keep the team playing hard. Otherwise, the coaching has not been good. That statement is legitimate and not without perspective. Schiano's coming back next year - I have no doubt about that. So, he's going to another year to prove me wrong. I honestly hope he does. I want the Bucs to win. I don't care who's coaching as long as they win. If not, throw the bum out.
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    I would be disappointed if he came back as that would mean: 1. That mediocrity is going to be rewarded even though we spent millions on Goldson, Revis, Nicks, Jackson that we never spent early in the year. 2. Glennon would come back again. I will admit he is better than I thought, but he still has an upside as a top-25 qb? Not good enough in this league anymore. 3. By doing so, the owners are saying that the 1st half of the season doesn't matter. This isn't some team with a whole bunch of rookies playing. We are playing a rookie at QB, but that is entirely by choice. We should be better this year, and we weren't. That is the bottom line. You realize in week 9 that Gerald McCoy likes to rush upfield? You waste an amazing year from Lavonte David? You deserve to be fired.
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    Sure, let's give Schiano one more year...One more year to not fill all the holes at TE, DE, WR, OL, DB...one more year to use the preseason to determine who will be 2nd & 3rd team players (who won't be with the team anyway) while resting starters so they won't be prepared when the season starts...One more year to keep or hire some of the worst assistant coaches in the league...One more year to not make appropriate in-game adjustments when the game plan isn't working or half-time adjustments so the Bucs can score a point in the 3rd quarter...One more year to find more former Rutgers players...One more year to find a new disaster that will severely affect this team (ex., Freeman & MRSA)...One more year to beat up on the 3 or 4 teams that are in total disarray or give us the game with 4 or 5 turnovers...One more year to prove his "my way or the highway" attitude will give us a championship...One more year for TV blackouts...One more year for visiting teams to have more people in OUR stadium than the Bucs do....One more year to "win our share" of games (is 4 enough?)...and finally, one more year to make some of us fans who have suffered with this team since 1976 to reminisce about our Super Bowl champions of 2002.
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    I'm sorry but I can't believe how bad the game was Sunday. If that's the best we can play, lets just do away with the Bucs! Sad, really sad.
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    The real issue I have with schiano remaining is the fact that he is unlikely to change coordinators since Sheridan and Sullivan seem content to run his Rutgers schemes and good coordinators would most likely want some autonomy. I really hope the glazers realize this when deciding whether or not to give Rutgers another season. In the meantime ill dream of truly innovative playcallers like Greg roman and moike Zimmer
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    I'm still on the fence about shiano returning, but it does seem like he is learning (slowly) how to adapt and coach in the nfl. Seriously though, Sheridan sucks and I really hope he is replaced this offseason whether schiano is of not. I think it's a terribly short sighted notion that since wannstedt is doing a great job at special teams coordinator that schiano doesn't want to rock the boat by making him d coordinator! (Mentioned in your fab 5)... I'm not sure Sullivan is the problem as our offense just doesn't have enough elite weapons even with mike Williams back. I'll keep banging the drum for Watkins or Ebron or Robinson from pen state. We need to score points to win in the south.
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    @Dickens...Am right there with you. If they keep this coach my season tickets will not be renewed. After twenty years a season ticket holder I have had enough of this organization. This team has been rebuilding for ten+ years and are still a team that has no plan. A couple of years back was build through the draft, well that does not work when you draft picks are no longer on the team and the same people are in charge of the draft. We have spent more on F/A in the last couple of years and still have way to many holes on this team to mention. With Schiano and GLennon and CHIRP, CHIRP this team will not see the playoffs any time soon. Will take my 6k and go buy a new car.
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    Using our 14 players on IR is joke. The only two with any Pro Bowl potential were Doug Martin & Mike Williams! A third were 2nd, 3rd & 4h string while the rest probably would've been cut if they couldn't stash them on IR.
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    What a piece of crap article. SR will drop on his knees and grab his ankles to do anything to help his butt buddy roommate Mark Dominick. If the Bucs bring back Dominik and Schiano I'm dropping my season tickets. If those guys remain in their jobs, it signals the Glazers they would have no standards and obviously are comfortable with losing. I can't support this crap team with the worst general manager, head coach, and quarterback in the NFC South.
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    I believe that Schiano has to get one more win and it will probably be the Rams. I like the guy and I am willing to support him again if he gets one more win and Sheridan goes. No matter what for me, Sheridan has to go. It is very clear that our talent is with the defensive players. If we had any other defensive coordinator we would be in the top 5 in defense and also would have had at least 2-3 more wins. Regardless, it's too early to call the coaching situation as to who goes and stays. I still do not know whether Glennon is a real starter yet.
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    @stlbucsfan - Okay, I see what you're saying. Gruden could certainly manage a game better than Schiano. But that's not saying much.
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    Give Schiano credit for hitting on 5 out of 6 draft picks (the jury is still out on Means) in his second year to go with Barron, Martin, and L. David the year before. I can see steady and long range improvements.
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    This guy won't give Schiano credit for anything. He made his agenda known mideseason when he called for Schiano's head.
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    Off topic... Am I the only one that thinks the Falcons are playing to lose? Or losing intentionally? I mean they know they're not ridding themselves of their HC or OC. That team is far too talented to be losing. Yeah, you can point to the 2012 Chiefs but they didn't have the same continuity at HC, OC, and QB like the Falcons have. I just think it's too fishy.
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    I agree. They claim they are feeling out younger players but I don't think they are trying to win. The rumor is they want to stay in the top five so they can draft Jadeveon Clowney.
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    Well bucs fans this is George Hicks the NO#1 buc fan in Texas. Since Iam from Tampa and now lived in Texas now.I'd remember all the winless years. But thing today is a little different since Tampa and Seattle game into the league. I think this coach from Rutgers has changed my mind, They brought in the rookie and he struggle but he is the QB who learns and gets better all the time. I'd kind of wish that instead we played NO the last game Tampa would face the Dallas Cowboys and I believe Tampa would beat them even with the old Def coordinatoe at the helm. But Now how about Tampa upset the 49ers, beat rams there and beat Saint at their home. Tampa did it last year why not Dec 29. GO Bucs
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    Are you kidding me!!! Geez ,fire Schiano yesterday ,period
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    @pinkstob I completely agree that Gruden was an awful talent evaluator that was enabled by the GM IMO but when he was given talented teams, coaching was never the issue. I dont think anyone could argue that Gruden would have never lost 8 games in a row with this team and thats my point, a better coach would have better results with our roster. I mean winning 9 games with a Dline led by the late Gaines Adams, Brooks at LB(who was forced out of the league after that season) and an old Ronde is nothing short of a coaching miracle.
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    C. J. Mosley in the first round would be a nice fit.
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    I might be the only one to think that Coach Schiano has done an decent job and ridding himself of Freeman certainly sparked the change. I would like to see them offer SF a trade for Aldon Smith and pursue impact receivers and a 2nd tier QBs in the draft. I'm not a big fan of draft O-limeman in the draft because their impact is too hard to define. Just my opinion.
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    I was not against the Gruden firing as I think it had more to do with him not wanting to be apart of a rebuilding team than it did with his ability to coach. Those players you mentioned @pinkstob were either way past their primes or only serviceable players which makes his coaching performance even better. If Gruden coached a team with this much talent we would be in the playoffs without a doubt.
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    @stlbucsfan - Gruden's MO was bringing in players that were already past their prime and drafting players and developing them poorly. Dunn and Griese were brought in just that year in 2008...in fact, he gave up a 6th round draft pick to make sure he got Griese who was "way past his prime". Griese started that Falcons game BTW. Clayton, Joseph and Trueblood were "serviceable players" that he drafted and never developed. He dug his own grave so no excuses.
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    To bring back Schiano would be a huge mistake. Look at the teams we were able to beat, a bunch of nobodys. Sundays game was a great example that this team is not ready to compete with the BIG BOYS. The 49's will bring their team to town and walk out with an easy win. With Schiano and Glennon at the helm we will be another 4-5 win team next year if we have an easy schedule. This organization needs to put a real NFL team on the field with a real NFL staff and stop trying to sell us junk.
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    I don’t think there’s any doubt that Schiano will be given another year. There are 4 factors that shape my opinion: (1) The Glazers recent vocal support (2) Schiano’s change in demeanor at press conferences following his last meeting with the Glazers (3) less complicated process for the Glazers to name a completely new administration and (4) Mike Glennon. You see, it’s all about the Glazers! When the Glazers (Joel) came out and gave Schiano a vote of confidence, it tipped their hand on what they would like to see happen short of a colossal failure. Four out of the last five games is not colossal failure. They could have remained silent until year end. As Scott will attest as others already have, Schiano appeared light-hearted and somewhat relieved following his last meeting with the Glazers. Some attributed that to his belief that his job was not on the line. Bringing Schiano back for another season makes the Glazers lives so much easier than to have to recruit a new coach, maybe a new GM, bring in all new coaches and staff while carrying the burden of new contracts as well as old guaranteed contracts of fired coaches - too much turnover and discontinuity for a struggling team over a short period of time. Franchise QBs are not easy to find. I’m not saying Glennon is a franchise QB. I’m saying that the question has to be asked and answered. Glennon has shown enough potential for the Glazers to pursue the answer and Schiano is tied directly to his success or failure. If Glennon continues to progress, Schiano will be given the chance to continue his development. Oh and there is one other reason he’ll be back – I’m not making the decision! LOL
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    Dammit. Unfortunately SR I think this may come to pass. @BleedOrange78 - I agree with your first post except I think it was Gruden's time to go. I was such a fan of his up until his last season. Like thbell said, he had plenty of losing seasons and he never got the offense going. His last year in 2008 he had his handpicked QB's in Garcia and Griese, his WR's in Galloway, Hilliard and Clayton, his RB's in Cadillac, Dunn and Graham and his O-line featuring Joseph and Trueblood they couldn't do crap. Not even against a depleted Falcons secondary late in the season. His excuses had been exhausted and it was time to move on.
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    I like the honesty and work ethic of the HC. His choice of OC is questionable. We start running out the clock if we lead in the 1st quarter. NFL games are usually decided in the 4th quarter, by the 3rd quarter we have shut the offense down and are depending on the defense. Only one game this year did we pull out all stops. Damn near beat Seahawks, but near the end of the game we went to back to basic crap offensive calls. Keep QB coach and get a top OC.
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    @stlbucsfan -Well said. @thbell - Yes, Gruden had some losing season yet they were sandwiched around winning seasons. Also, he had the ultimate trump card as you pointed out - he won a Super Bowl. That gives you PLENTY of slack. There is nothing approaching that on Schiano's resume at any point in his coaching career. So, no, he should NOT be given the same consideration. Comparing him to R. Morris doesn't work either as the Glazers themselves admit that their "go super young and cheap" strategy in Morris' third year was a mistake. Schiano's had an open checkbook compared to every other Bucs HC. The 0 - 8 start and the coaching deficiencies are all on him.
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    I hope the hell not that he returns, he just cant coach.
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    Keep in mind Gruden was kept around after going 7-9, 5-11, and 4-12 in three seasons during his tenure as HC. In those losing seasons, the offenses were consistently below average, despite his offensive prowess and high draft picks on offensive skill positions. While winning a Superbowl probably had something to do with his sticking around, it still shows the Glazers are more than patient when it comes to the fate of the HC. Morris' teams weren't even competitive most of the time, so he had to be let go after three seasons.
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    This article was tough to read and hopefully the Glazers dont feel this way. If a man has a team that has playoff aspirations and then starts the season 0-8 that alone should be enough to lose his job. If this team were more disciplined and executed better then we would have more wins. Thats not a talent issue thats a COACHING issue. We are around the top of the league in penalties and those penalties are the reason we have lost several games. Of course Schiano had issues arise this year but thats the nature of the job. The Patriots had the Hernandez issue all summer, Gronk in and out, a group of unproven WRs yet they manage to win. He was praised at Rutgers bc they were awful and he managed to make them mediocre which is fine in the Big East but this is the NFL and his average coaching hasn't gotten it done and nothing I have seen recently has changed my opinion. This steamrolling we are sure to take on Sunday against the 49ers will put a realistic spin on the state of the Bucs.
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    @stlbucsfan -Well said. @thbell - Yes, Gruden had some losing season yet they were sandwiched around winning seasons. Also, he had the ultimate trump card as you pointed out - he won a Super Bowl. That gives you PLENTY of slack. There is nothing approaching that on Schiano's resume at any point in his coaching career. So, no, he should be given the same consideration. Comparing him to R. Morris doesn't work either as the Glazers themselves admit that their "go super young and cheap" strategy in Morris' third year was a mistake. Schiano's had an open checkbook compared to every other Bucs HC. The 0 - 8 start and the coaching deficiencies are all on him.
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    Give Shiano one more season ,but this offense im not so sure about.Also on defence the play calling must be better when it comes to calling so many line stunts and especially when your trying to play contain against a mobile QB like SCAM Newton.
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    This was bad reading all the way around. I understand why it is being written and see how the conclusions are being drawn. These conclusions are terrible (and, yes, I understand they are what SR thinks may happen and not necessarily how he feels personally). The Glazers are giving Schiano much more consideration and leeway than they gave the two best coaches we ever had - Dungy and Gruden. Blaming injuries and a rookie QB are not acceptable excuses given the obvious coaching deficiencies. Having a worse record than the year prior apparently is the new standard. But, I don't own the team so my opinion is irrelevant. I've resigned myself to Schiano coming back. Barring blow-out losses in the remaining games and the entire team mooning the remaining fans from mid-field, the Glazers will bring him back and try to sell us on their wisdom in doing so. With Schiano at the helm, changes to the coaching staff are pointless. The Bucs are running the schemes he likes and he won't allow enough autonomy on an OC/DC's part to really make a difference. A new name will, in reality, only result in more of the same. The defense is doing better in spite of their coaching. The offense is doing worse because of Schiano's offensive philosophy. Scapegoating Sullivan (not saying he's great either) in favor of McNulty (Schiano first choice for OC two years ago) won't change a damn thing. And saying McNulty is developing Glennon is a joke - the QB play is getting worse and a hard look at Glennon's November stats raises more worrying questions than answers. The only positive McNulty's promotion MAY provide is if we actually hire a good QB coach to really work with Glennon since he's going to start year (there will be NO competition for that job during training camp...Glennon's Schiano's guy).
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