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Scott Reynolds is in his 22nd year of covering the Tampa Bay Buccaneers as the vice president, publisher and senior Bucs beat writer for PewterReport.com. Author of the popular SR's Fab 5 column on Fridays, Reynolds oversees web development and forges marketing partnerships for PewterReport.com in addition to his editorial duties. A graduate of Kansas State University in 1995, Reynolds enjoys giving back to the community as the defensive line coach for his sons' Pop Warner team, the South Pasco Predators. Reynolds can be reached at: sr@pewterreport.com

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  1. 1

    1bucfanjeff

    2 OL in round 4 and 7? I just don’t see that happening so late. The Bucs will address the OL earlier.

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  2. 2

    1bucfanjeff

    What’s YOUR percentage the Bucs take a QB with the 1st overall pick? I hope 100% or dang close to it. Sources say….??

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  3. 3

    Horse

    In your Mock Draft we are taking our need in Round 1 & 2 for a QB & DE; I’m fine with tose selections. The I would be taking OT and OG in rounds 3 & 4 as those are needs. The next need would be a LB or Safety for me. RB and WR can come at the bottom of the draft or even in Free Agency.

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    1. 3.1

      76Buc

      You make sense Horse, alyhough I think they will get OL help from FA and do it right this time.

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  4. 4

    sunshineben

    Great except… you didn’t pick the best qb in the first round…Don’t get your love for Winston.

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    1. 4.1

      Runole

      It is not love involved. It is that he is considered the best QB prospect since Luck and already possesses a better NFL skill set than any QB since Luck. 26-1 and all the incredible comebacks! WOW!

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    2. 4.2

      cgmaster27

      So you’d rather have the guy with the sprained ac joint? The one who’s getting cold feet about throwing at the combine? The one who is trying everything he can to drop so chip can grab him. I don’t get your love for mariotta. Yeah he’s a nice guy but that’s about it.

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      1. 4.2.1

        jongruden

        Cg- We know you love Winston but lets stop crtisizing Mariota to build your guy up, its cheap politics, try being objective and not bias it makes you more credible

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        1. 4.2.1.1

          cgmaster27

          We get it john, you like mariotta, so there no need to keep slamming winston, or responding to my posts for that matter.
          And cheap polotics? reaching there aren’t we. ALl I present for Winston is facts, because they don’t fit your narrative, I don’t care.
          Why don’t you focus on making factual arguments and not resot to attacking people, which seems to be your only answer for things. Again let me be clear, I don’t care what you think. And that’s a fact.

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          1. 4.2.1.1.1

            jongruden

            CG – If you didn’t care what I thought you wouldn’t respond to me, you have already proven my opinion bothers you, lol

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  5. 5

    macabee

    You know everybody’s got one…..an opinion, that is! So no need to be shy now. Besides, we’re just having fun here!

    Macabee’s 2015 7 Round Mock Draft

    ROUND 1 – QB Jameis Winston/ FSU – 6-4, 230

    ROUND 2 – C/OT Cameron Erving/FSU – 6-5, 320

    ROUND 3 – FS Cody Prewitt/OleMiss – 6-2, 220

    ROUND 3 – (Trade for Glennon) WR Phillip Dorsett/UM

    ROUND 4 – (St. Louis)) DE Lynden Trail/Norfolk St. – 6-6, 262

    ROUND 5 (Trade up) – OG Jamil Douglas/ASU – 6-4, 301

    ROUND 5 (Trade picks 6 & 7) RB David Johnson/NIU – 6-1,224

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    1. 5.1

      chefboho

      Perfect mock macabee. I love love love this one. Phillip Dorset I’m the fourth would be a secret steal. THIS is the draft I want to see. Nice work

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    2. 5.2

      76Buc

      I like your list macabee, but I don’t see a MLB?

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      1. 5.2.1

        macabee

        76,
        I’m guessing here, but I think Lansanah goes to MLB and Lovie brings in old man and former Bear, Lance Briggs at SLB on a 1 year contract.

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  6. 6

    kram0789

    I like Tyler Lockett, but without an offensive line skill players are wasted. Our third round pick has to be an offensive linemen.

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  8. 7

    stlbucsfan

    I’m fine with the mock minus round 3. I would rather see us take Laken Tomlinson or Drummond the S from Michigan St with that pick.

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  9. 8

    e

    That would be the best draft in years for the Bucs if that looked anything like the real thing. I would love the Bucs to pick up Denzel Perryman in the second if he slid. e

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    KINDERRT

    If we draft a RB then we should trade Martin and get more OLINE help with the pick.. We will be overstocked with RB’S and the only one to fetch a pick would be Martin. Would rather have Erving in the second or trade up for him if we draft Winston. Not a big fan of Locketts due to his size, I still remember hearing Jasksons knees banging together on kickoffs and he was a second rounder.

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  11. 10

    Runole

    I am warming to Lockett and I am seeing what a valuable asset he would be in 4 wr sets. Would have no problem with those well thought out picks

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  12. 11

    cgmaster27

    This would be an outstanding draft if it happened like that. Great mock there pr. Although I would include a third rounder from a trade of glennon. That’s a dream mok there.

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  13. 12

    Iabucfan

    Johnson, from UNI, is a good pick. He’s a good player and a good young man. Go Bucs!

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  14. 13

    wolfet

    Sorry, I am not a fan of taking guys with premium picks that do not have the ability to grow into an elite receiver. I do not like Lockett that much. Yamon figures 2.0? I do like the first 2 picks, I wonder if we don’t trade down in round 2 with so many options and pick up another 3rd round pick?

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  15. 14

    jongruden

    Ok, I must say we are still in Jan and we have mock drafts on a weekly basis with the picks changing week to week to keep the “water cooler” talk going, only thing that won’t change apparently is Winston at the top as PR has a love fest going a long with CG. As Pink has said before things in mock drafts change when the combine and pro days start as well as personal workouts and interviews, I remember guys like Taylor Mays who was ok at USC who only had 4 int’s in his 3 or 4 yr career but was a workout stud at combine and ended up in the 1st round and lets not forget Jamarcus Russel who had a great pro day who Mayock said “has the best arm he has ever seen. throwing the ball 60 yds+ in the air” or senior bowl mvp’s such as Charlie Frye, and Sedrick Ellis who elevated their stock. point being big boards aren’t set in January, its more like mid April. Teams will work out Mariota seeing how he can throw from under center in 5-7 step drops and see if he can throw the protoypical route tree throws and thats when they will see if Mariota is the guy, cause honestly thats the only question with him, Winston you have to worry about him staying out of jail or being suspended, which is a huge concern, not everyone grows up ask Vince Young, Michael Vick, Ricky Williams or Jamarcus Russel and Ryan Leaf among others

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    1. 14.1

      cgmaster27

      Thanks for mentioning me .it makes me feel special. But you say Winston is a big risk like you already know he’s going to get into to trouble. The bigger risk is taking a qb with a sprained ac joint who can’t even throw at the combine.
      His chance to prove something and he’s alreayd getting cold feet, not surprising. And not everyone stays making mistakes, such as randy moss, cam newton and others. I can throw around names too.
      But you keep holding your breath for a guy who can’t evn take a snap from center. And remember after you read this, you’re not talking to me anymore.

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      1. 14.1.1

        jongruden

        Cg- Most of the top qb’s in the past don’t go to the combine, we don;t even know if Mariota will be there or not he is still unsure, besides he will have his pro day so whats the difference?

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      2. 14.1.2

        jongruden

        Randy Moss who clipped his nails during a Raiders Game Randy Moss, lol Cam Newton who Steve Smith blasted on sidelines over and over for not having a leadership mentailty Cam? yes, those guys exactly CG

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      3. 14.1.3

        jongruden

        Your constant love fest for Winston is annoying and the way you down play all his incidents is ridiculous, so yes I get sucked back into talking to you, cause your like Rush Limbaugh who spouts off with no substance and its hard to ignore. I don’t think Winston sucks because I like Mariota I’m not playing your game, I just think Mariota is the better qb and so did the voters of college football as mariota won every award possible for a player this year, did Winston have a great yr two yrs ago? Yes, but he has regressed alot 24td’s and 18 int’s is a ho hum yr in college, the guy had Rashad Green so stop making petty excuses, nobody can even name the wr’s Mariota had this year. Who did Big ben throw to at Miami of Ohio or Brees at Purdue, or Eli at Ole Miss? thats right nobody can answer that question because if your good you can throw to anyone period. Winston has a track record of being a knucklehead so repeat offenders usually are repeat offenders its a fact not an opinion. So, if the Bucs are willing to bet on him then they do I for one hope he turns it around if he is a Buc cause otherwise we wll be in last place for some time

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        1. 14.1.3.1

          cgmaster27

          Your consonant love fest for Mariotta is what’s weak.
          And as for your analytics, there’s a reason no one can name a receiver for oregon, because the system allows you to be average and post monster stats.
          Luck had 18 pics this year, he must be terrible to you. Manning had 15, I know, he’s terrible. And these guys have legitimate nfl caliber receivers to throw to. But I know, mariotta only had four this year, so he’s better than both of them. And what does Eli have to do with anything? He’s mediocre in the pros as well as college.
          And then you knock the guys I present when two of them are probably hall of famers? I’ll be honest, you suck at arguing.
          What you need to understand john is that I really don’t care what you think. I can’t make it much more clearer than that for you.
          You can just ignore my comments, you know like an adult. Or you can just fall into another pointless argument, which is all I see you’re capable of.
          SO do us all a favor and stick to your word this time and ignore my posts. I prefer talking to adults.

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          1. 14.1.3.1.1

            jongruden

            Eli mediocre in college? Eli drafted #1 also won two super bowls yes, he’s “mediocre”, lol Yes, in college 18 int’s is alot even guys who are sub par qb’s like Taylor Kelly have better stats than Winston, lol

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          2. 14.1.3.1.2

            jongruden

            Since my hall of famers comparisons went right by your ear, I’ll say this to to you in the most elementary way possible the comparisons were for “CHARACTER” not ability again “CHARACTER” by moron

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          3. 14.1.3.1.3

            bollocks

            I’ve got to get my 2 cents in…Name a QB coming out of college eligible for the NFL draft,that has succeeded in the NFL, with the character concerns(red flags) that Winston has hanging over his head? I’m not saying Winston is guilty of rape but the woman that alleges that he did is still pursuing matters in the courts. So is Lovie going to draft Winston while the rape allegations are still in court? I don’t think the Glazers are going to OK drafting Winston after what the franchise went through with Freeman. I’m with Jon..I’d rather see them draft Mariota but if he doesn’t show up for the combine and doesn’t WOW at his pro day then the team needs to not draft a QB at #1.

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        2. 14.1.3.2

          cgmaster27

          Well look again at the little guy at the keyboard. Name calling is the last act of a man that has no point to prove. Yet you keep proving how childish you are with every post.
          And I got your point about character little man, my point was that those guys didn’t get into trouble after college. And went on to be successful.
          Must’ve went over your little head.

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          1. 14.1.3.2.1

            scubog

            JonnyG said it himself CG, “some people never mature.”

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          2. 14.1.3.2.2

            jongruden

            Ben Rothlisberger was in trouble while in Pitts burgh lol, moron

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    2. 14.2

      e

      I agree that players like Taylor Mayes and Jamarcus Russell shot up draft boards because of a sudden buzz at the combine. That happens every year with a couple of players. But, both Winston and Mariota don’t fall into that category. They are proven performers over multiple seasons. But, I don’t agree that seeing if Mariota can run backwards 5-7 steps erases the serious concerns of a spread QB converting to the pro game. Regarding character; What about Big Ben? Would you refuse to have him on your team because of his off the field concerns? e

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    3. 14.3

      kram0789

      Very good points about Mariota and Winston. The other point I will make about Winston is does have Leaf like ego that will prevent him from improving and learning the pro game?

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    4. 14.4

      76Buc

      Good points Chucky!

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  16. 15

    pinkstob

    I’ll make two points. The first comes from this quote. “The Bucs’ brass and the Glazers must agree that he has matured enough to lead the franchise and will continue to mature once given the millions of dollars that come with an NFL contract.” When in the history of the NFL has anyone ever matured that quickly without having some type of major life event (e.g. loved one passing away)? In fact, who matures that much over the course of a few months even outside the NFL? Although Manziel and Winston are immature in different ways (Manziel never broke the law), Winston has lousy luck in that he is coming out for the draft a year after Manziel demonstrated how important maturity is to the QB position in the NFL. The second point is although I’m okay with passing on an O-lineman in the 2nd round if a better player is available, 3 rounds is too much. I think several of the interior O-linemen in this draft will go on to be Pro Bowlers but I think they’ll be gone by Round 4. There will be some starters after that point, but this draft is too deep in the interior O-line to come away with no Pro Bowlers.

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    1. 15.1

      cgmaster27

      Matured that quickly? Thelast thing Winston did was shouting in Internet meme. I know that’s horrible and all, but he hasn’t done anything in almost a year. It’s not like he got in trouble yesterday.
      And as for the glazers, how do you know they don’t Kiel Winston? Maybe their tired of losing games and money evey year. And maybe Winston does checkout with them.only time will tell, but everyone writing if Winston already might be in for a surprise come draft day. Or they may not like him and then I look like and idiot, which is also possible pink my friend.

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      1. 15.1.1

        pinkstob

        Cgmaster27, people are writing it off now but I see arguing so aggressively with Jimbo Fisher during the playoff game as immature. No NFL QB does that with his HC in today’s NFL. So my reference to saying “months” is based on that. When the immaturity stopped and started is a matter of opinion but I haven’t read anywhere on the Internet yet where someone has vouched for Winston maturing off the field at all. If you have a link I will read it objectively.

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        1. 15.1.1.1

          cgmaster27

          True Pink, but what you see as a problem, some see as competitive fire. I remember Tom brady pactically getting into a fistfight on the sideline one year with his offensive coordinator.
          I just want a QB that wants to lead and has fire. I am tired of these nice guys that amount to nothing. I want a QB that will get in a linemans face or a receivers face when they drop the ball.
          MAriotta is entirely too nice for me, just my opinion. As for the Winston maturity stuff, there won’t be much out there until after the vetting process I would assume.

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      2. 15.1.2

        chetthevette

        The Glazers never lose money. They make a fortune even with a losing team. Also, Jon Gruden compared you to Rush Limbaugh. Those are fighting words.

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        1. 15.1.2.1

          cgmaster27

          You are right about that chett, they do make a ton off of soccer, but all millionaires hate losing money. And I think the bucs have lost money the last couple I would assume with attendance being so bad. As for john I don’t sweat the small stuff.

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    2. 15.2

      e

      Manziel is notorious for not practicing hard or doing his work in the film room and Winston is a hard worker in the film room and practice. e

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      1. 15.2.1

        pinkstob

        Manziel was not notorious for that. He was notorious for showing up in photos with beers in his hand and pretty women under his arms and signing gear on camera which many just made excuses for as being a fun loving college student. His work ethic may have in question, but saying he was notorious for it is hindsight. He’s notorious for those things NOW.

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        1. 15.2.1.1

          e

          Was he ever known as a hard practicing player & diligent film rat??? e

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          1. 15.2.1.1.1

            pinkstob

            E, the answer to your question is no, but in the same breath no one ever said that he wasn’t a hard practicing player and diligent film rat. The subject never came up with Manziel. It’s not like his practice and film habits were well documented and people ignored it. Now, what will we be saying about Winston a year from now? If we are saying that he still has a lot of growing up to do (no matter what team he’s on) then it will be the heads of whichever team drafted him because he is notorious for that.

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  17. 16

    jongruden

    I would like to ask Scott Reynolds or Mark Cook if they are the least bit concerned about Winston staying out of trouble in Tampa? Just curious

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      Profile gravatar of Mark Cook

      Mark Cook

      There is always some concern yes.

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      1. 16.1.1

        jongruden

        “some” is minimizing it don’t you think Mark? A lot would be more appropriate, its not like the guy did one thing he did several “knuckleheaded” things

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        1. 16.1.1.1

          Runole

          Define specifically what “A LOT”? means because other than some crab legs stolen, forgot to pay, or bad hookup, I have nothing.

          Winston has no real off field issues that are of concern. Saw a picture of him recently with his girlfriend with some inspirational spiritual guy.

          Unlike some, I don’t put a lot of faith in character assassination pieces that leave out critical facts to promote a false narrative.

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          1. 16.1.1.1.1

            salish_sea

            No real off-field issues of concern? Multiple rape accusations don’t concern you? You’re more inclined to believe poor little Jameis Winston was wrongly accused than believe the powers that be arranged to have things squashed. OK. Sure.

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          2. 16.1.1.1.2

            Runole

            salish_sea,

            What multiple rapes? That is the problem you are stating things that aren’t true. Has nothing to do with whether I believe Jameis or not. I trust the TPD and the criminal justice system after the City of Tallahassee and State of Florida that stated there was no cover up or malfeasance by them. That is good enough for me.

            That most certainly trumps any accusation that there was a cover up or that the case wasn’t handled appropriately.

            If that were the case than there would be a Civil lawsuit against the TPD and it would filed long ago. Are you suggesting there will be?

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        2. 16.1.1.2

          scubog

          Ever hear of Bret Favre and his drinking prowess?

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  18. 17

    jongruden

    If you have concern then why would you risk the future of the franchise on a guy you can’t trust staying out of trouble? Mariota only concern to “some” is that he for some reason can’t take a snap under center or throwing out of a 5-7 step drop, why would you rather gamble on taking the “risky character” guy over a guy who has zero risk character and has to prove to some he can handle a snap?

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    1. 17.1

      e

      There’s more to converting a spread system QB to a pro system QB than “handling a snap.” e

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      1. 17.1.1

        jongruden

        e- Who says we won’t run a spread system, does anyone know this answer?

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        1. 17.1.1.1

          e

          True… I guess the Bucs are up for running any system, but chances are, the words “spread system” and Lovie Smith will never be said in the same breath.

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    2. 17.2

      kram0789

      I think one thing we can say about Mariota and Winston is that neither are “Andrew Luck.” I am not in love with either and would trade down.

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  19. 18

    jongruden

    Nate Orchard is more of a OLB in a 3-4 instead of a 4-3 DE, He is slight in build at 255 lbs so he is a fit in TB

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    1. 18.1

      jongruden

      He is NOT a fit I mean

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      1. 18.1.1

        bollocks

        Jon…I agree with your assessment of Orchard and agree totally with what you are saying about Winston. It will come down to what Mariota does at the combine and or his pro-day. If he can show that he can make the throws while working from under center and impresses in his interviews he has to be the 1st pick. If not I’d rather see Lovie either trade down or pick Williams.

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  20. 19

    Horse

    All I know is we need a QB because neither one on the Roster right now are starters. We either get one in the Draft or via a Trade.
    After watching Mariota in the Ohio State game I have questions about him like I had with Winston. Based on our new OC , QB Coach, Head Coach, and GM; I see us taking Winston. He will work the best with the Dunkaneers.

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  21. 20

    KINDERRT

    There is already talk of Mariota falling in the draft. The reports say he could fall as far as ten (hard to believe) they say once the team’s dig into his film. Winston I believe is a solid first pick you just have to overlook his off field problems. Many players have come into the NFL with problems and many become problems. We have had our fair share and so will every other team going forward.To pass on an elite QB talent for some off field concerns is foolish. He has no major crimes, the most serious is the rape accusation that has been investigated TWICE and found not guilty. His other three issues are maturity issues that are minor. I would rather take a chance on a top talent QB maturing then a lower talented QB maybe being able to transition to the NFL in two or more years.

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    1. 20.1

      jongruden

      Kinderrt- After watching these two guys after 5 yrs you may look back and laugh at what you just said

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      1. 20.1.1

        KINDERRT

        What part is that Jon, only said is what’s out there about your man Mariota falling in the draft or was there something else you don’t agree with?

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        1. 20.1.1.1

          jongruden

          “I would rather take a chance on a top talent QB maturing then a lower talented QB maybe being able to transition to the NFL in two or more years” Its funny to me because I think Winston will be in the headlines for the wrong reason and Mariota will be the guy we let get away

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      bollocks

      Name me a {QB} coming out of college that has the character concerns(red flags), that has succeeded in the NFL, that Winston has. You can name numerous prospects that have had those concerns that have succeeded but you can’t name one QB.Winston to me seems as if he has a disconnect between his ears and is going to self destruct when he gets all his money and the pressure cooker that is the NFL gets to him.

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  22. 21

    ColoradoBuc

    Is this the Red Board? Seems like several different threads are being addressed at the same time…

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  23. 22

    Bucko40

    Still on the Winston bandwagon eh SR. Great way to drum up site traffic. Have you ever done a Mock without a KState player in it? Can’t wait to see the reasoning you guys write when the Bucs take Mariota.

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  24. 23

    salish_sea

    Still a mystery to me how easily people are willing to dismiss the rape accusations. Winston has behaved like a piece of dung, even if he’s cleared of criminal charges. I just can’t forget those problems easily, and won’t be rooting for Winston even if the Bucs draft him.

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    1. 23.1

      jongruden

      Salish_sea- They dismiss it because just like the Michael Jackson Fans out there he wasn;t convicted so therefore he is innocent and will not believe it to be true, loyalty is stronger than the truth just ask Scott Peterson’s mom who believes her son is innocent as well

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      1. 23.1.1

        Runole

        He wasn’t even charged or arrested. Using the word convicted is in very poor taste and just not factual.

        As stated above the City of Tally and State of Florida found no cover up or malfeasance by the TPD.

        That ends it unless you feel guys like Brian Banks and the Duke Lacrosse team deserve to be in jail.

        Scott Peterson? Good Lord!

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    2. 23.2

      cgmaster27

      It’s not easily dismissed at all. But to the people that have read the reports for themselves and not seen what espn headlines read like have good reason to be skeptical of her allegations.

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    3. 23.3

      scubog

      Because an “accusation” isn’t a conviction in this country.

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      1. 23.3.1

        jongruden

        No, its because people fail to believe the victim instead of their qb. Do you think FSU Fans would think he is innocent if he weren’t the heisman winning and national championship qb and Jameis Winston a regular African American guy in Florida?, HA

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        1. 23.3.1.1

          Runole

          Ever hear of Greg Dent? He was a starting Wr for FSU charged and arrested for Rape. I saw no outrage from FSU fans when that happened? Once again your assertion fails miserably.

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          1. 23.3.1.1.1

            cgmaster27

            Don’t try to talk sense and facts to this guy Runole, I think he’s a little senile and randomly wakes up at his computer, spouts nonsense, and then falls back asleep. He’ll push your facts aside as bias because he has no facts of his own. And then probably just call you a name and not respond anymore.

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        2. 23.3.1.2

          scubog

          Because the evidence and multiple hearings didn’t believe her either. Nothing to do with being a fan. It has to do with believing the basic premiss of “innocent until “proven” (not accused) guilty. I know you live out west JonnyG but I think lynchings without fair trial are still frowned upon and the crowd outside who fails to recognize the results of said trial don’t get to take matters into their own hands and hang the guy anyway. What does race have to do with it?

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  25. 24

    Bucmeister

    Neither QB is deserving of overall #1. Both have to many red flags to be overall #1. Both have been pushed up the draft board because of weak QB class and weak free agent QBs. Both should be mid first round.

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  26. 25

    georgehicks

    i THINK THAT DRAFT REPORT ON WHAT TAMPA WOULD DO. BUT WHAT IF TAMPA GOT ANOTHER PICK IN RD-2 AND ANOTHER DRAFT PICK IN RD-3 WITH TAMPA TRADING TAMPA B’U QB AND RB MARTIN. CAN YOU IMAGINE WHAT TAMPA COULD DO WITH THOSE EXTRA PICKS. EXAMPLE TAMPA WOULD HAVE RD-1 1 PICK, RD-2 2 PICKS RD-3 2 PICKS RD-4 1 PK, RD-5 2 PICKS; RD-6 1 PK AND RD-7 ONE PICK. IF TAMPA WAS ABLE TO GET TWO EXTRA PICKS IN THOSE EARLY ROUNDS. THEY WOULD BE BACK A LOT QUICKER. TAMPA COULD SELECT A WHOLE BUNCH OF FSU PLAYERS GO BUCS. HOW ABOUT QB DAVID GARREIT FORMER JAGS QB TO HELP WINSTON. GO BUCS

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  27. 26

    Bucmeister

    How both QBs fare will be determined by where they go. Either one can be successful if placed in the right circumstance, or either may fail if in the wrong circumstance. Both QBs are probably dreading coming to the Bucs, as with the Jets, historically we are where QBs go to die. Our head coach is not known for being a developer of QBs or for that matter offenses.

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  28. 27

    e

    Maybe the Bucs hire Derrick Brooks as a “Quality Control” consultant who meets with Winston to mentor him after he is drafted? e

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  29. 28

    BuccanAy

    yes…I think winston has the potential to be a good QB,but you guys dont even MENTION the reasons he may be a ticking time bomb, and has certainly not demonstrated they type of character you’d like to have in THE 1st overall pick in the draft…it’s seems as those concerns don’t even exist. It’s bizarre, quite honestly, and wouldnt be a Pr mock with a Kstate guy in top 3…..jeez

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    Garv

    After today’s news on the Sundance film, The Hunting Ground, the name and face of Jameis Winston’s accuser and hearing of the abuse she took for daring to speak out? I think the question is are the Buccaneers going to draft Marcus Mariota or trade down? Fair or unfair, I do not think the Buccaneers can afford the dark cloud that will come with Winston.

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      e

      I think The Hunting Ground is a documentary paid for by the owners of the Saints, Falcons and Panthers. e

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    cremdonado

    ‘The Hunting Ground’ is a documentary on the issue of rape and sexual assaults on college campuses~NOT JUST THE WINSTON ACCUSATION. Winston’s story is currently the the most publicized and is a perfect way to advertize the documentary makers are hoping to sell at Sundance.Winstons current media profile is filling seats and helping sell the documentary that might have been overlooked had it not been for his accusers presence in the documentary…This isnt solely about him…Are we doing our own thinking or allowing the media to make up our minds for us?
    Since none of us were present the night the encounter it is foolish to assume the accuser is right,simply because she made an accusation…That being said,Winston was walked through the legal system and with the evidence presented,no charges were filed…Since none of us truly know what went down,we really shouldnt continue to treat it as if there was a conviction…
    Also this belief that the NFL is an organization that cares about people and character building is a joke~it is a business of winning.Winning will make it all go away~ask any of the countless criminal types who have had/are having successful NFL careers…
    I would be interested to see what peoples reactions would be if Mariota was suddenly accused of rape or sexual battery~would the witch hunt be the same? would all this talk of his character and upstanding citizenship be cast aside? Would he be treated the same as Winston? Would his supporters still blindly support him?Seems like the media is able to manipulate these two guys stories quite a bit for the sake of filling pages and killing time between now and forever…

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    Horse

    Once I read some of the court records I got passed the so called rape because it didn’t happen. I was focus on Winston and didn’t like what I saw about his throwing motion versus the season before. I still believe it was the baseball season that screwed him up. If he comes to the combine and shows he has corrected that motion then I am all for drafting him. Mariota has a quick release, but he is not ready to start in the NFL unless he goes to Philly. The Ohio State game exposed his weaknesses. Just my opinion.

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      cgmaster27

      Horse better watch about those comments. You’ll be crucified for actually thinking for yourself by John. I’ve read the repeat as well and it’s clear as day what didn’t happen.
      As for winstons motion I think it was a sorry on here a day or so back I posted a link of his work in sandiego. He’s quickened his release and he doesn’t drop it down to his waiste like a baseball.
      Here’s the link again for you too look at. http://www.thebaycave.com/video-of-winston-working-on-his-mechanics/

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        pinkstob

        Just so everyone is aware, now that Mariota’s AC joint has healed in his throwing shoulder he is also out in San Diego training with Kevin O’Connell and Ryan Flaherty of Prolific Athletes. Again, he hurt his throwing shoulder in the 4th quarter and returned in the same series in the national championship. http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl-draft-scout/24993415/nfl-draft-injury-could-keep-mariota-from-throwing-at-combine

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    matador

    If we aren’t going to address the OL problem through the draft, we might as well start McCown next year and then play Glennon once McCown goes down. RB? WR? We did that already. A better OL makes our B/C level RBs into B+/C+ and the reason you pay VJax is to avoid spending a pick on the position this year. A better OL keeps our QB upright. A better OL keeps our D off the field. A better OL helps special teams win the field position game. It would be nice if PR was helping to direct the debate, why is it left to the posters?

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    Bucnut2

    I am convinced we will draft neither QB. I think the Bucs have leaked interest in Winston through various channels, ie this site, Charlie Campbell etc…In the coming weeks i suspect we will hear, likely through other sources, that they favor Mariota. All of this to drive up the value of the pick. We’ll trade down and have Koetter coach up Glennon for a few years. Probably wishful thinking on my part but I dont liek either of these QB’s. And PR guys, sorry but if Winston played at Ohio State you all would be much enthusiastic about him. It’s not your fault you just can’t see your bias.

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      cgmaster27

      I do think it’s funny that because someone is a better prospect, and Winston is , it’s bias to some people. Maybe perhaps some of us just like the better qb. Maybe you all can’t see through the fact that you just don’t kike Winston. Which is fine you are entitled to that. But because others like him, it doesn’t make it automatically biased.

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        pinkstob

        Keep in mind there are those of use who believe Mariota is the better prospect, even if the off field stuff is excluded. I said before and I want to be clear that I bring up the off field stuff with Winston and then in the same breath I always reference the Glazers. Given their track history with actions levied bad press players and the attention the QB garners they are the ones that will pass on Winston due to this off field issues. I want us to pass on Winston because Mariota is the better player and even the better leader. The off field stuff shouldn’t matter in football unless it affects the locker room.

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          pinkstob

          That should read, “..actions levied AGAINST bad press players…”.

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          cgmaster27

          See pink my friend, the better leader part is where I significantly disagree with you. DId you see him on the sidelines when theyr were getting routed in the champioinship game? Helmet on, standing by himself. That’s not a leader to me. Same thing when winston’s noles were getting blown out , what was he doing? He had all of his offensive players in a huddle talking to them to finish strong and no matter what he loved playing with them. Huge difference there.
          Mariotta has never shown leadership that I’ve seen and I’ve watched a couple of games from him so this isn’t a one game thing. I want to see a QB when their team is losing, that is a leader. Mariotta is entirely too quite.
          As for the better player on the filed, you are entitled to your opinion on that as well and I respect it, we’ll just have to disagree on that. As for the Glazers, yeah, we’ve gotten rid of some bad eggs, but all of them have went on to succeed elsewhere and not get in trouble.
          Personally I’m tired of losing with nice guys. We need a mean streak on this team. A mean streak in a controlled field environment of course.
          And thank you for always debating and not arguing like someone else above.

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            pinkstob

            No problem Cgmaster27. It’s just a difference in how we view leadership. Both with what Mariota did in the national championship and what Winston did in the game against Oregon in terms of leadership…neither course of action had a noticeable effect on the offense or the outcome of the game. Peyton Manning leads by example, sits by himself after a drive and is a nice guy. Most NFL QB’s are nice guys. ALL Super Bowl winning QB’s are mature guys. The last immature QB to win the Super Bowl was Joe Namath. The type of mean streak leadership you are in favor of leads to success when it comes from LB’s and O-linemen, not QB’s. Again, when I’m reading Winston’s lips on TV when he’s hyping his guys up on the sidelines I’m always left thinking, “There was no substance in what he just said, mostly just hand clapping, wide eyes and bright smiles”. I think that type of leadership is paper thin and NFL veterans will tune him out quickly. I think the FSU team as a whole does not get enough credit for their comebacks last season. Every comeback starts on defense after all. The offense can score a TD on every possession, but since you’re already behind if the defense doesn’t eventually get a stop themselves or at least hold the opposing team to a FG there is no comeback.

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    cremdonado

    Horse~ Im with you on the throwing motion~too much baseball windup in it~but,it can be worked on and hopefully will be worked…Since his focus is now just football,maybe he will work the kinks out…
    Mariota has my brain pickled…He has an awesome skill set BUT came from the spread…His numbers are thru the roof,but its also due to the system he played…He has zip on the ball but accuracy isnt all that great(it can be worked on).If drafted by Tampa,he will be forced into service too soon which will likely hamper his development~especially if we continue our losing ways.With a suspect Oline and a HC that is Defensive minded~I have a feeling he/we will rely too much on his legs to extend plays that will lead to potential damage~physically and with his game as a whole…look at RG3~that could very well be Marcus in Tampa…

    The REAL issue is who is TAMPA a better fit for~ Mariota or Winston,not the other way around…I believe this is where the edge goes to Winston…Winston is plug and play and would serve his purpose from day one.This is great for a defensive minded coach whos focus will be,the defensive side of the ball~Lovie is Lovie and is not going to change…
    Mariota will need creative offensive minds and a HC whos job isnt on the line in order to get the slack in the leash he needs to develop.They will likely go to an uncreative WC offense full of dink and dunks and rely too much on Mariotas legs to make things happen~ too risky for ol Lovie im afraid…Also I believe at the pro level,mariota will need an offense full of stars~we just arent there yet…His best bets are in N.O. or in Philly with his old coach…
    For those in our fanbase who are truly fans of Mariota~you dont want him ruined in pewter and red but rather a guy you fear come playoff time.thats why we need to go Winston…Everyone seems happy to throw him to the wolves where he just might surprise everyone and come back with a bone…

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      cgmaster27

      Here you go creme, same video I posted above to horse. He’s definitely working on his release. Looks like he’s lost a few pounds as well.
      http://www.thebaycave.com/video-of-winston-working-on-his-mechanics/

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    cremdonado

    and if the wolves tear him(winston) apart~all those folks who got off chanting ‘no means no’ will have more trash to talk and Tampa just continues what they always do~botch drafts,change coaches like underwear and solidly underwelm!!!

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    Bucmeister

    Winston standing in the pocket is just as vulnerable as Mariota. Online Online Online.

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    Bucmeister

    Auto correct. O-line

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    deeznuts

    It is too early to be projecting mock drafts to be taken this seriously. We need to see pro days, combine, interviews, and assess a free agency plan. Lets be honest, even if Winston did live up to his potential-it would never be worth the #1 pick in the draft. With that said, I’m not sure Mariota would either (even though I would agree he has superior athleticism, mechanics, and scheme awareness vs. winston). ive said it previously- I think LT B. Scherff is our best option if we cannot trade down. The fact of the matter is any QB is awful behind our OLine. I can’t see Winston or Mariota taking our 2-14 team to the playoffs in the next 3 years..especially with Lovie as our HC and ??? offensive scheme. It may be a tough pill to swallow, but Glennon gives us the best chance to win right out of the gate next year. Scherff is an absolute monster (6’5″ 325lb)- the guy is ridiculously strong and fast. Watch what he does to edge rushers…. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TS9Hq4bdFY0

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    sunshineben

    NOOO Winston !!..NOT the best qb in the draft and NOT a great person to be the face of the bucs.

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      jongruden

      WARNING, WARNING!!!! Sunshineben is a non Winston supporter we “CGMASTER” to come to his defense this is not a drill I repeat this is not a drill, lmao

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        cgmaster27

        You know when you put lol and lmao on your comments, it makes you look like a 12 year old girl on Facebook? Everyone is entitled to their opinion, yours just has no facts to back it up so you resort to the grade school name calling. I am merely putting facts against your opinions and making you look more foolish by the post.

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          jongruden

          Facts like 24 td’s and 18 int’s to Mariota’s 40 td’s and 3 int’s those kind of facts?, lol and lmao

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            scubog

            A lot of QB’s had glowing college statistics but weren’t NFL material. Many resided in Gainesville.

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          jongruden

          You compared Winston stats to Peyton stats, well here is another FACT Winston played in 5 less regular season games on schedule than NFL Players and the FACT Manning threw 39 td’s and 15 int’s isn’t even in the same ball park as pedestrian stats that Winston had 24 td’s and 18 int’s so if your going to use examples of fellow NFL Players use Colin Kapernick at least the stats are more comparable

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            chefboho

            Comparing a quarterback which as denarius Thomas (one of the top WR’S IN THE LEAGUE) Julius Thomas ( most Td’s the last two years by any The) and emmanual sanders to jamises war’s is just silly. Winston could have those stats with that group of studs

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            chefboho

            Comparing a quarterback which has demarius Thomas (one of the top WR’S IN THE LEAGUE) Julius Thomas ( most Td’s the last two years by any Te) and emmanual sanders to jamises wr’s is just silly. Winston could have those stats with that group of studs

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      Runole

      Brian Banks doesn’t care for you and your opinion because it is people’s opinions like yours that put him in jail.

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    sunshineben

    bucs don’t need Winston as he is not the best qb or the best man for the face of our favorite nfl team

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    fredster

    Taking a WR before fixing the biggest em weakness the O line? Stupid. Still have needs on defense too that I don’t see being addressed. Fix the o line our RB and WR situation is fine! Don’t know if I feel better about Winston or Mariotta. Leaning towards Winston. Neither is a slam dunk IMO. So many arguments and passion about this cracks me up. Everyone has it all figured out and knows more than the professionals and scouts. Lol. Hope they make right decisions they are due…..

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    EastEndBoy

    This entire thread, and about 50% of the threads published on the Bucs in the last few months, are precisely why I now really don’t want us to draft Winston…I want to come to PR to talk football, Bucs, Superbowls, etc….not to constantly (and it will be constantly) talk about Winston’s off-field issues, whether he did or did not rape someone, whether he does or does not deserve a fifth(teenth) chance, whether his appearance in the bar last night is more noteworthy than his play in the uniform, and so on and so on…give me Mariota and let me talk football, give me Mariota and let me cheer openly for the guy without worrying about being accused of supporting the next Rothleisburger….let the Bucs threads of the future be about their play on the field…I can see that clearly with MM at QB, I see anything but with Winston as our QB…you can have your view on who you think is better, but I have seen nobody claim that either guy is a bust waiting to happen (at worst I have read that they will both take time to learn different aspects of the NFL and that perhaps Winston has less to learn, but perhaps Mariota learns faster)…that sounds like two pretty good QBs to me, and I want to talk to football, so let the pick be MM PLEASE!

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    Horse

    EastEndBoy; If I had a say with this team I would first try to find a QB via a trade for a 4th round pick and below. I would focus on Rounds 1,2,3, with other positions of need. I don’t think either one of these QB’s will make much difference this year. We still have a lot of needs to fill.

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    e

    EastEndBoy, love the ducked feathered glasses that you see this debate through. Winston’s fifteenth chance? Really? Can’t spell BiaS without BS. Here’s how I see Mariota’s rookie season going (if not drafted by the Eagles)… All of that talk about how he’ll need to sit never pans out with a team that doesn’t already have a Pro-Bowl QB… So, he’s thrown into the fire. “This pocket is small!”… RUN!!! “Oh, so… most guys on the defense run 4.4? Doink. OK, TIME TO PASS… “Where are the windows? All of these guys are covered?” … RUN!!! Doink. “Fans in Tampa boo?”… (at some point after looking like the matador being chased by the bull in the old Bugs Bunny cartoon) Tampa Bay Times headline: “Mariota on the IR; out for the season.” … Then it’s all Shoulda, coulda woulda from EastEndBoy over the next couple of years as the Bucs toil in last place without a QB. e

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      EastEndBoy

      “duck-feathered glasses”…good one. And yes, I think my whole post was about bias – I don’t think I hid that, I think it was precisely what I wrote…I am biased to having a QB that allows all of these posts about whether Winston is on his fifth or fifteenth chance to stop…and that QB by definition is not Winston…if the world unfolds so brutally for the Bucs as you project, I would still rather be discussing the “windows” and the “running” and the “booing fans” and the “matador cartoons” (ala Cam Newton), than reading about Winston and his off-field past and present (ala Big Ben)…I would way rather be discussing Cam’s injuries and whether he runs too much , than whether Winston has been a good boy this week or was out partying with Johnny Football…

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        EastEndBoy

        and you won’t get “shoulda, coulda, woulda from” me for passing on Winston, no matter how good or bad MM winds-up performing….but I guarantee you will get “shoudla, coulda, woulda” from me the first time PR lights-up with reports about Winston doing something off the field and post after post is all about his (fill in the blank) moment instead of about football…

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    Buctebow

    I think a) the Bucs will win more games this year if they trade down and don’t draft a QB, but get a FA like Hoyer. b) trading down will get them at least one 1st round pick next year that they could use to trade up and get a QB then, or the following year potentially. I don’t see a run at the playoffs for a few years, so it makes sense to me to actually fiel a team that wins some games and develops.

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    georgehicks

    Well guys I have agree with picks But here is my picks according to the top 400 players. Right now 1.QB Jameis Winston,2(34)Oc/Lot Cam Erving,Fsu;3(65)CB Pj Williams Fsu;4(106)Dt Gabe Wright,Auburn;5(154)TE Jean Sifrin(UMass;5(160)OLB34 Deion Barnes Psu;6(168)OT Austin Shepherd Bama and 7(194)RB Josh Robinson-Miss St. I’d say this can you Imagine if tampa gets draft choices for Martin and Glenn that is a WIN WIN sistutation go bucs.GLH HB PLANT 64,

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    georgehicks

    Here is George Hicks Again -Iam so sick about not getting Winston to Bucs.I’d say get him. Some of these fans are says don’t get winston they may be watching another NFL team. I’d say fans do this. Right now go with your gut feelings and stick with it, Remember fans, Teams make big mistakes and choose the wrong player. Get Hoyer along with winston to be teach the correct with a regular QB coach.If We have Hoyer He can step in early and bring in Winston a little at a time. Hoyer will be only a temp fix. But regardless stick to your plan. If Tampa has a plan and has several players available at each position. I’d say this also.1.Get a QB, A OT,A OG,A OC A ILB/OLB A GOOD TE or Two A DL<CB And a Safety Go get them thru FA Vet and UDFT and draft GO BUCS

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    georgehicks

    I’d decided to look at the moch 2 draft picks I’d say get every one of them. But Trade RB Martin and QB Glen and another 2016 draft choice to get cameron erving to play for the bucs.Why not Tampa has the salary cap espically if they getting rid of certain players from last year.Tampa would be building for the future.Again I say Trade back into the 2nd Round for RB Martin,QB Glenn and Tampa bay 3rd Rounder in 2016. Look at the $$ figures.They get rid of two players with salary cap money. Plus they get another starter. Draft choices are only draft choices. Look at the choices Tampa gave up to get Coacj John Gruden 4 high draft choices plus 8 million dollars. Wouldn’t it be worth a starter in Erving along with winston,Orchart,Lockett,Smith, rb Johnson,a LB,CB and another OG. I’d say for for it.

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    georgehicks

    AGAIN AFTER jAMEIS WINSTON I’D WOULD SELECT OC FROM FSU.GO BUCS

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