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    4girls

    Dirk Koetter might deserve to be on both lists. I loved the dedication to the run. (Though, I doubt he does that if he doesn’t have Jaquizz who he knows from their ATL days.) But, he seemed to show little confidence in Jameis at key times. (It’s partially understandable with his erratic play. But, how does he expect Jameis to improve if he’s not keeping the ball in the QB’s hands at the most essential times?)

    There were three questionable–at least to me–play calls on the last drives. Jacquizz was awesome tonight, no doubt. But, the first two plays of the final drive were the opposite of gutsy and seemed to be based on fear. The 3rd and 9 run call when in Carolina territory did not help either. I think that was the play before Aguayo’s miss from 46. Even a screen play, a quick slant for 7 yards for an easier kick…something besides a weak run call with no real chance for success.

    I think he was right when he spoke of changing the Bucs’ culture of losing. But, it starts with him. Having an effective run game is essential and we’ve sorely missed it this year. But, that four play, 75 yard TD drive was a thing of beauty. A few more plays like that in the second half and I don’t see the game coming down to the final play of the game.

    Just my $.02.

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      Naplesfan

      I disagree with you on Coach Koetter. He called exactly the game that was necessary, on the road against the team we’d lost six straight to, with a banged up defense, and without the two top running backs, and with Jameis having given away far far too many balls in the prior four games. Dirk had to make the point to Jameis that he MUST stop trying to be the game hero, that he had to put the ball in the hands of those who could make plays. A strong running game is a must in an NFC South divisional road game.

      And Jameis responded. He led the offense, did what he had to do to win the game – the only thing that matters – and Jaquizz Rodgers stepped up and did his job, as did the offensive line. Wide receivers came up with key receptions when needed. And nobody, including Jameis, turned the ball over to the Panthers.

      Now that Dirk has made his point to Jameis about how to win road games in the NFL when you’ve got one hand and one leg immobilized, let’s hope that Jameis keeps this lesson in his mind throughout the rest of the season. I really do believe that, as ugly as this win looked, it shows how to win when you play disciplined ball (except for the several O-line penalties that killed a couple of drives).

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        4girls

        I see your point; I was thinking the same thing until the last drive. But, it all worked out in the end, thank God. Hopefully, we get healthier over the bye week and keep some momentum rolling. Good reply, Naples.

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          cgmaster27

          I actually would agree with both of you to a point. I see the need for Koetter to establish a run game and not take chances with Jameis and a banged up defense. But I can’t see any way to justify that 3rd and long run before Roberto missed. It’s 3rd and 7 and you take it out of your QB’s hand. You’re saying you trust Roberto more than Jameis in that spot? I don’t. Also hated the first two run calls on the last drive but it worked out. Some strange play calling but a win is a win. Gutsy one at that with all of our injuries.

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    76Buc

    “But it allowed the Bucs to steer away from dumbest-move-in-franchise-history territory for moment, at least.”
    I don’t think so. I think it was the dumbest move in the NFL history of the draft, which started in 1936.

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      scubog

      We’ve had a lot of dumbest moves over the years my friend. I could name them all. I’m holding out hope that the one you’re referencing becomes less dumb.

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        76Buc

        Believe it or not, I hope so too.

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      LordJim

      Seriously? Just look at our draft history. This wouldn’t even be OUR worst ever, let alone in the league.

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        76Buc

        You’re right my lord. That probably goes to trading a first for Wally “the admiral” Chambers. Maybe we could draft a long-snapper named Joseph Conrad.

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      Brobear

      This is a stupid comment and you know it. Not even close to the top 10 dumb moves in the draft

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    Naplesfan

    Four raspberries for the red zone offense, which is essentially non-existent. It’s gotten to the point that I really hate to see the Bucs offence go past the 20 yard line … I end up yelling at the TV screen any time inside the 30, “Chuck it down to the end zone, Jameis!”.

    The Bucs red zone offense is even less effective than Aguayo’s kicking … which is saying some.

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      Naplesfan

      Four raspberries for the red zone offense, which is essentially non-existent. It’s gotten to the point that I really hate to see the Bucs offense go past the 20 yard line … I end up yelling at the TV screen any time inside the 30, “Chuck it down to the end zone, Jameis!”.

      The Bucs red zone offense is even less effective than Aguayo’s kicking … which is saying some.

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    matador

    How is Jameis not on this list? His ‘lack of precision’ to put it nicely is overwhelming his innate playmaking ability. That stat about him being 34th out of 36th QBs in terms of completed throws over 20 yards is telling, and damning. Must get fixed or he’ll never be as good as his intangibles suggest…….
    And Aguayo has to be on this list also, he’s not going to get a third shot at redemption in one game often. We can only hope Gruden’s story about Janikowski repeats. …..
    The only things keeping this from being a season ending disaster were sloppy play by a backup QB who hadn’t played in a year giving up turnovers and a Panthers team that seemed to be giving up on its season as the game wore on.

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      RootsCrew

      I don’t understand. Y’all want Jameis to stop “losing games” for us. He leads a TD drive & 3 other drives that should have resulted in 9 points. Leads the game winning drive. Dirk basically neuters him this game, turns him into a game manager and you still want him on the Most Disappointing list? Ya’ll are never satisfied.

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        cgmaster27

        It doesn’t matter to some, They expect a 90% completion percentage and multiple TD’s a game. If it was so easy to be QB, why are QB’s like Aron Rogers and ELi struggling? Why is Cam struggling? Some bucs fans expect perfection on every throw which is impossible. And Jameis did that last night with terrible protection. Jameis needs to clean up the deep ball no doubt, but some of you just need to stop.

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          jongruden

          I didn’t mention that they were good although Cam did win MVP what I’m saying is without all their starters we were in a dog fight yes we were also missing some defensive starters but honestly not much drop off from the guys missing and the guys playing in their place except for McCoy

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      Naplesfan

      Jameis did his job in this game – he should be instead on the most impressive list.

      He did what his coach asked him to do, which is to manage a very tough divisional road game without our top two running backs. He protected the ball. He made two clutch drives in the second half, one for a TD and one for the winning field goal. His stats were actually quite good – passer rating of 93.6. And Jameis helped psych up a kicker who needed to get his stuff together at the end of the game.

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    surferdudes

    Jameis drove us down for the game winning field goal on the road converting some big 3rd downs, with great throws, and you’re disappointed Matador? All of you who are complaining about redzone production think of this. After running the ball down our throats to have a first, and goal at the 2, Carolina decides to get cute, and throws a pick!! That’s the game right there. Games are decided by some of the weirdest bounces, and mind boggling decisions. Just enjoy the win, we’ll get better in the redzone.

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    stlbucsfan

    Lavonte shouldnt be listed bc he was playing with backup DL and thus he couldnt roam as freely and make the plays we are used to seeing. I did see him on several occasions taking on tackles and OL to prevent big running plays and forcing the ball carriers back inside which was huge. Dirk needs to use this time to get himself together bc with an offensive HC he needs to be better in tuned with the game clock to not allow a delay of game esp in the first half when we have the TOs to use. His conservative play calling was bailed out by the 15 yard penalty late but that also needs to be addressed. Running on the first 2 plays and then running a 1 WR route on 3rd and long was nothing short of a miracle. Not pleased with Dirk thus far in the season. Lastly Mr. Aguayo belongs on this list. Making 50% of his FGs is not why he was traded up for in the 2nd round. Making the game winning FG is nice but so is making the other 2 chip shots that preceded it. We have no idea what to expect when he attempts any kicks and thats not a good trait to have for our “prized” kicker.

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    drdneast

    Great point, surferdudes.
    Coaches aren’t judged on style points, just by W’s and L’s.
    Sorry but I never would have put the DL on this list. They played with a lot of heart and never quit. Three of the four starter were either in college or on practice squads at the beginning of last year’s season.
    Howard Jones’ stupid penalty was inexcusable. Like you, I can forgive a penalty when
    there is at least effort and good intentions of making a play behind it, but I saw neither in Jones’ running into the kicker. Just more clumsy and stupid.
    Although the overall performance of the O=line was good, they have got to quit shooting themselves in the foot everytime they get in the redzone or in third and one situations. GEESH.
    I thought the defense was ready to quit after the Panthers last TD but Winston answering with TD drive gave them new hope and revitalized them for the remainder of the game.
    Kotter played this game pretty close and conservative to the vest but it paid off at the end.
    As Winston said in his post game interview, the Panthers score the majority of their points off TO’s so it was something the Bucs simply had to avoid to win the game.
    They did both.

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    I’m glad to see that Koetter is starting to put more check downs into the offense, but there were still a couple of questionable play calls on that last drive and problems with clock management again… if the refs didn’t stop the clock with :41 left where Vincent Jackson was tackled in bounce, I wonder if the Jameis would have even had a chance to drive them down the field? The good news is that most people thought that the Bucs would beat the Rams and lose to the Panthers; so the Bucs are still on track if they can get some healthy bodies back. Second place, one game south of .500 and 2-0 in the division. Not to shabby…

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      wnb0395

      I know I had them starting 2-3.

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      Naplesfan

      Before the season started, I penciled in the Bucs at 1-4 with possibly the toughest beginning 5-game schedule of any team in the league, and without any consideration that injuries would decimate our defensive front four. At 2-3 the Bucs are in my opinion over-performing in the bottom line W-L column. In certain respects they’re obviously underperforming and need to get better. I am actually extremely pleased with the performance of Winston, Rodgers, the O-line (cept for penalties), and the backups on the D-line yesterday.

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    EastEndBoy

    Sadly, LaVonte David belongs squarely on this list. A step slow, a step late, a step backwards….2016 is not starting off well for LvD.

    Extra sadly, Howard Jones tried hard to personally revive the Yuccaneers…how many of us simply watched that play, and didn’t say “oh !@#$%”, no that wasn’t the reaction…nor did we say “oh, I can’t believe it”, no that wasn’t the reaction either…let’s be honest, how many of us said “typical….here we go again”.

    Final sadly-er, is it just me or does Demar Dotson look like the (near) rookie on our Oline….

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    RootsCrew

    Dirk has to be on this list. We all thought “Lovie Ball” was holding him back last season, but he’s basically calling the same game even when he’s “unleashed”. That final drive was horse crap. That was a drive called not too lose, instead of trying to win. Jameis bails him out with a dart to VJax, and then he decides to go for it? But only after wasting a time out? He has to decide if he trusts his QB or not. The one drive he mixed up the play calling, two huge throws and 8 points. Then he goes right back to conservative the next drive. Maddening.

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      Naplesfan

      See my comment above – I think you have it exactly backwards. Dirk called exactly the game that was needed yesterday.

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        RootsCrew

        I saw it and I disagree. A conservative game plan is fine. No problem with us running the ball. But, Dirk isn’t putting Jameis in spots to succeed. Run, run, pass on 3rd and long isn’t the recipe for your young rhythm QB. Once the run was established, he didn’t mix it up enough. When he did, we had a TD drive. That last drive alone should put Dirk on this list. Want’s to change the culture of losing, but shells up with no confidence in his offense to go win it.

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    jme0151

    I am really disappointed in Winston and continuing to over throw wide open receivers. We could have been up by a nice margin if he could hit these receivers in stride. Big FSU fan but not liking his progression as a pro. I just don’t see any improvement on majority of deeper throws. He is still to inconsistent at this level. Happy about final drive. He did get that done.

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      Bob Will

      I agree no one talks about Winston’s problems. He miss a wide open Mike Evans for a touchdown in the first half, and numerous other passes throughout the game. If he wants to be our franchise QB he has to quit missing those passes. It happens every game, all people want to talk about is the kickers misses but if Jameis hit his passes no kicks needed.

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      Bob Will

      I agree no one talks about Winston’s problems. He misses a wide open Mike Evans for a touchdown in the first half, and numerous other passes throughout the game. If he wants to be our franchise QB he has to quit missing those passes. It happens every game, all people want to talk about is the kickers misses but if Jameis hit his passes no kicks needed.

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        cgmaster27

        No one talks about Winston’s problems? You must’ve missed the 10 or so articles about it last week.

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    buddah

    Dirk masterminded a winning gameplan with a drastically depleted roster–three top defensive linemen OUT, top two running backs OUT. Did anyone watch the last 39 seconds of the first half and the way Olson owned the Buccaneers all evening and throughout his career. Dirk was not going to allow them to have the ball last. A great decision, if calculated risk (given the kicker and the necessity of Jamies hitting two crucial third down passes). But it worked.

    Something is seriously wrong with David. He was consistently out of position and seems to have lost a step or two. That’s a worry.

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    jongruden

    Most disappointing was the fact that without Cam Newton, J Stewart, Ginn Jr and Funchess and countless other missing people for Carolina that we were in a dog fight with Derek Anderson for much of this game I guess after being swept by Derek Anderson two yrs ago we haven’t improved much since.
    Jamies still throws high and over the heads of wr’s which is alarming, the kicker can’t make 30 yd field goals and is only 3-8 I think which is worst in the league and the list goes on but hey we did get the win so I guess we can be happy a win is a win

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      cgmaster27

      The funny thing Jon my friend is that you act like Funchess and Stewart are any good. And Ginn Jr did play last night. We had 7 starters out and won. I’ll take that all day.

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    Horse

    Eric, you nailed it! Good job. Go Bucs!

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    seat26

    What is going on with David ? This was one of our best players, and he is averaging 5 tackles a game now. Right when this Team needs him the most he is fading. Is he hurt ?

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    arizonajoe

    I am ok with Winston having just a so-so night. He is the franchise, no question. As long as he keeps learning and keeps his positive attitude and his confidence, we will be fine for years. How is Roberto Aguayo not on this list? Why am I praying for a 38-yard field goal. That should be a time for excitement as we have pretty much won the game. I shouldn’t be getting an ulcer over it…. I mentioned in another post that the over-under for missed kicks in this game by Aguayo was two… That’s ridiculous!!

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    fredster

    This O line frustrates me so bad. Good job run blocking but the penalties are just crushing. I know some think we need WR and other positions more than O line but have to disagree. Cherilus is old. Dotson is past his prime. The youngsters doing ok but man the penalties!

    Lavonte didn’t have a great game. It happens. Not sure belongs on the list though.

    Winston had pretty good game. The clutch plays on hits down were huge! He needs to keep it up and play smart. Last few weeks he’s been horrible. I love the kid and he is smart and will keep improving. His accuracy scares me though. That’s one thing that qbs seem to have or don’t. I’m sure if he can Perfect some of his mechanics that will help I just wonder if he will improve in accuracy enough to really be elite. I sure hope so.

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