One of the biggest topics of discussion among Bucs fans, and even some in the national media, since the season ended, was what would become of Tampa Bay backup quarterback Mike Glennon.
Rumors of general manager Jason Licht turning down second-round draft picks circulated, speculation that Glennon would succeed Peyton Manning and Brock Osweiler in Denver ran rampant earlier this spring, and even the Bucs would ship Glennon to the Jets for defensive end Muhammad Wilkerson.
All proved to be untrue, and Glennon remains a Buccaneer.
“He sure is. No, I didn’t [receive calls]. Mike’s a Buc and I’m glad he’s a Buc,” Licht said on Saturday after he wrapped up his third draft as general manager. “So is Dirk and everybody here. The value of that backup quarterback – we’re lucky to have him. Hopefully he can be here for a while, but we know we’ve got him for this year.
“You know, we normally don’t talk about that, the calls that we get and things like that. Mike’s a Buc.”
Now the question is, will he remain a Buccaneer beyond 2016 when he is slated to hit free agency next year?
Mike Glennon – Photo: Cliff Welch/PR
Koetter who spoke following Licht on Saturday, was also pleased to still have Glennon around, be seemed to be resigned to the fact this would be Glennon’s last season in Tampa Bay.
“If it would have been the best thing for the team, if the right situation was up where a trade that would’ve been in the best interest of the Bucs, of course, it would have had to go,” Koetter said. “We’ve been telling Mike that all along, but that opportunity wasn’t there and, as I’ve said multiple times, I believe Mike Glennon is an NFL starting quarterback. Unfortunately for him, he’s going to have to wait but fortunately for us, we’re going to have him as our No. 2. It’s a great position for us to be in.
“Hopefully nothing ever happens to Jameis [Winston] where we need it – Mike feels the same way – but if we did need to put a second quarterback in there, we’re capable of winning games with Mike Glennon at quarterback. We know we’re going to have that situation if no injuries come up for this one year and then Mike’s going to move on and hopefully have a chance to start somewhere else. But for now, that’s what it is. I can’t imagine there’s many teams that have a better one-two punch at quarterback than we do.”
Glennon will be an unrestricted free agent following the 2016 season and while everyone is assuming that Glennon moves on, that isn’t a 100 percent given. While most likely Glennon would like to go somewhere where he can be a starter, life is the NFL as a backup can be quite lucrative, and as the old cliché goes, you are only one play away from being the starter.
Cowboys head coach Jason Garrett made millions backing up Hall of Famer Troy Aikman in Dallas (1993-96) and Kerry Collins in New York (2000-03) before spending the 2004 training camp as a backup quarterback in Tampa Bay before moving on to Miami.
Going into last season, prior to Russell Wilson signing a new deal with the Seahawks, eight backups made more than Wilson who already owned one Super Bowl ring. Even former Buc Bruce Gradkowski earned $1.55 million as a backup last season. Glennon is slated to make just over $1.8 million this season, the final year of his contract, and while he most likely wants to be a starter, could $3 million a season convince him to stay? Would the Bucs be willing to go $5 million to keep him in Tampa Bay?
Tampa Bay would love the opportunity to sign Glennon to a long-term deal to the be the team’s second string quarterback, but know it is a long shot, as Koetter seemed to allude to on Saturday. But no general manager understands the importance of a quality backup as much as Licht does, as he watched his good friend and mentor, Arizona GM Steve Keim, and head coach Bruce Arians start third-stringer Ryan Lindley in their playoff game against the Panthers in 2014, after losing Carson Palmer and backup Drew Stanton to injuries after a 9-1 start.
Dallas went from being a playoff contender and possible NFC East champ to an afterthought after Tony Romo’s early-season injury. As a result, the Cowboys went from 12-4 in 2014 to 4-12, including a 10-6 loss to the Buccaneers, a year later without their Pro Bowl quarterback.
The good news, if there is any, about losing Glennon to free agency is, the Bucs should receive a compensatory pick in next year’s draft for losing Glennon to another team, one that could net them as a high as a third-round pick depending on how lucrative his contract is. Houston paid Osweiler $72 million over four years, with the first two years guaranteed to pay him $37 million.
If the market for Glennon is soft in 2017 and there aren’t many viable options that would grant him the right to contend to start, he may opt to re-sign with the Buccaneers for a year or two to be Winston’s backup for a few million each season as he’s only 26 years old. Or if a playoff contender suddenly loses its starting quarterback – like Arizona did in 2014 and Dallas did in 2015 – Licht’s phone may ring with an offer he and the Bucs may not be able to refuse for Glennon during the 2016 campaign before the trade deadline in October.
Licht didn’t trade Glennon before or during the 2016 NFL Draft, but an opportunity to do so may present itself once September rolls around. If it doesn’t, look for the Bucs to make Glennon an offer to stick around for another year or so because the organization values him that much.
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A few thoughts:
1) Glennon has been discounted by the market…all this 2nd rounder talk…no-no. He is a benchwarmer for the Bucs…and the market sees him as such.
2) When Glennon walks at the end of this year it seems unlikely that he will be some prized FA acquisition by a QB needy team (as Osweiler was)…he will more likely be a guy from the bench of the Bucs (more akin to Brian Hoyer, Mark Sanchez, Chase Daniel) that will be given a chance to compete (probably with some 2nd round draft pick) for a QB job.
3) The only way we get a compensatory pick for Glennon (any compensatory pick, never mind a 3rd rounder) is if we have a net loss in FA, where the net value is based on a formula that the league does not share openly (but is clearly based on factors like salary, position, etc.)…we would hopefully not have a net loss, or Licht has not done a good job in FA…e.g., if Glennon left this year, we would be unlikely to get a compensatory pick (or at least not a 3rd rounder).
4) Glennon’s best bet at making millions will be to take that try-out with a QB needy team, use his experience gained on our bench to beat out the rookie he’s competing with for playing time, and try to parlay that into a chance with another team…sort of become the next Mark Sanchez and make a few tens of millions bumping around…maybe he’ll even end back with the Bucs in a few years again…
All just IMO of course 🙂
I am inclined to agree with pretty much all of this. Said as much with my comment below. I’d go even further than you and say that with our cap situation next offseason (currently slated to have north of $68M in cap room) and Glennon’s perceived value in the market, it’s exceedingly unlikely that we receive ANY comp pick for him at all.
You’re probably right on his best shot at becoming a true starter. I think that’s the most likely path for him at this point. But honestly, with the incredibly lukewarm reception he’s clearly received in trade discussions, it wouldn’t surprise me if everyone in the league views him as purely a backup. Fair or not, he may be stuck with that.
With Buccaneer luck, he will end up playing in our Division and we will face him twice a year he will terrorize us and take his team to the Superbowl. I like the guy, and I think he was worth a 2nd. If Bucs never got, offered a 2nd, they did the right thing. I believe they can still trade him and knowing how Teams lose their starting QB’s to injury in this league, Bucs could still cash in.
Depends on the timing of the injury. If it’s mid-season, that’s unlikely. Guys need a lot of time to absorb and understand the details of NFL playbooks. If a starter goes down in week 6, trading for his replacement isn’t likely to be a viable solution for that problem.
I like the idea of extending him a couple of years and paying him some cash while Winston is on a rookie contract. It’s almost guaranteed that at some point, Winston is going to be miss some time because of injury, like most starting QBs. Why not have a worthy veteran backup for a couple of years if he’s willing to make a reasonable deal?
If he would be willing to take a contract from us commensurate with that, then yea, I would be too. But it takes two to tango. I think it’s unlikely that he happily settles for being a career backup on his 2nd contract. If ANYONE offers him even just the chance to compete to start, then he’ll be gone.
Glendon is a championship backupQB. Look at the guys stats (without ever having 1st team reps)- he’s persevered through (3?) multiple regime changes. He reminds me of Brian Griese.. with a rocket arm. His best quality is his football IQ and selfless demeanor – he’s tough too. If you watch the film he’s never been scared to step into his throws and take a lick. I think he’s worth more down the road as a backup than a 2nd round pick we’ll never develop.
I said all along from day one when all this trade talk started I didn’t see getting a second rd or better pick for him. Let him hit the market next year and if it’s 2 million or less maybe can match. If some fool wants to start him or pay him more than 2 million year let him walk. He’s not starter material. Said it before and I’ll say it again. Koetter is just being kind.
So says the person hiding behind a computer who has very little football credentials.
BP1- can’t agree more.
Right on BP1.
$2M per? That’s terrible backup money in today’s NFL. Chase Daniel makes $7M per. Josh McCown gets $4.7M. Mark Sanchez = $4.5M. Chad Henne = $4M. Case Keenum, Drew Stanton, Shaun Hill, Matt Hasselbeck, Colt McCoy, Matthew McGloin, Derek Anderson, Ej Manuel, and Austin Davis all make more than $2M per. Blaine Gabbert, Charlie Whitehurst, Brandon Weeden, and Matt Cassell all make exactly $2M. That’s a list of 16 backup quarterbacks who all make $2M+, and Glennon is a better player than almost all of them.
The main alternatives to paying more than what you’re talking about for a backup are (1) having a terrible veteran backup, i.e. the garbage Tarvaris Jackson, or (2) using a 3rd or 4th rounder on a backup, which I’d rather not do if we can avoid it. Put another way, I’d rather pay Mike $5M per, right around the top of the market for the role, than spend a decent draft pick on a replacement for him. You should too.
I believe Glennon could start for an NFL team but whether or not he could lead them to a Super Bowl game is another matter.
Glennon’s mob continually points to his stats which are good, but forget his W-L record which is bad.
When Glennon had the chance to win the position outright in 2014 when McClown went down, he promptly went 1-3. Not very Bradyesque if you ask me.
Apparently no one thought he was worth a No. 2 or I think Licht would have definitely had traded him and I doubt if anyone even offered him a three or he would also be gone.
I’m still shaking my head over the amount of money and the hope the Texans have put in Brock Osweiller after starting only seven games in the NFL. Sheer insantity.
@drdeast: lovie annointed McClown starter after signing him. There was no open QB competition. Games are not won and lost on the QB alone.. We had had an offensive line that was a hall of fame worst. How many games did McCown win? to me “bradyesque” translates to deflated footballs, “tuck rule” superbowl, “no hitting QB in the knees penalty”, and spygate.
deeznuts: Don’t tell Jerry Jones that “games are not won and lost on the QB alone”. The fans and media have given his Cowboys that excuse. And, now,with the anticipated return of Romo, they think they’re going straight to the Superbowl.
Deez, all due respect, but if that’s all Brady means to you, then you don’t know jack about football. Those are all fair, but two of those were out of his control, and one didn’t have to do with him directly. He’s one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time. There’s no real rational way to argue against that.
You forget his surrounding cast in 2014.
No. I’ve been wrong, but I don’t see his value at all. I would like to have Griffin take most of the play calls after Winston goes out during preseason. I don’t see any improvement since he was drafted and played in his first season. Thirty one other teams feel the same way as he is still a Buc.
How about the crappy team around him and disfunctional coaching? You failed to factor that in. Football is a team sport. He is still a Buc because our GM wanted a 1st round pick for him and would not move on from that stance.
And you know this how?
So you don’t think 31 other teams didn’t take that into consideration?
The Bucs have been irrelevant so long I don’t think the other 31 teams even bother to consider what they’re doing.
Glennon will always have his lovers and supporters who stand fast behind him and that is fine with me.
As I said before, I like the young man but I’m not going to let my personal feelings get in the way of looking at player objectively.
deeznuts, McClown went down with an injury in 2014 and it was at this point he had a golden opportunity to take the job away and win it outright by tucking a few wins under his belt and showing the dynamic qualities of a winning QB.
He went 1-3 and never seemed to possess the leadership skills and confidence needed to lead an NFL team long term.
Yes, he had an absolute disaster of an OC calling plays, but he still lacked that “it” factor NFL QB’s must possess.
Your apparent hatred of Brady is certainly visible but much of the things you attribute to him our misguided and need to be directed at Belicheat.
The whole Deflategate matter was much ado about nothing and seemed more like an attempt by the NFL commissioner to prove he has absolute power over everything.
Atlanta was charged with tampering with crowd noise in their domed stadium which has just as much affect on a teams performance as under inflated footballs and the only thing that happened to them was a mid level staffer was fired.
Also, every time a CB “intercepts” a pass which he knows he has trapped, should that player get suspended for a game for trying to “cheat.”
Give me a break with all this holier than thou Brady defategate cheating crap.
DRD, Brady isnt the great QB you think he is. Its the system and coach that makes brady Bradyesque. Glennon could be Bradyesque in New England. Anyone could be Bradyesque there, Matt Castle already proved that.
Wow, you’re kidding right? Brady has 4 rings and still has to throw the ball. Yes Castle was good, but if you think Brady isn’t you might need to pass me what you’re smoking.
Great 27, but pass me a gas mask first! And a bong!
wnb0395- Words can’t even describe how dumb your statements are, you don’t even deserve the rebuttal
wnb, while it’s true that Belichick certainly helps Brady excel, that’s not nearly all of it. Brady simply does things on the field that other passers are not capable of doing. It’s truly not even debatable. Is he as great as his Super Bowl total and stats suggest? Probably not. And he’s STILL one of the best QBs of all time.
The way teams go thru QB’s now he has some value. I have no idea what it is for other teams but for our team he has a lot of value as our backup. I would like to see him resigned. QB’s get hurt all the time. he is a nice insurance policy.
Scubog Dallas games aren’t won or lost by Romo and Bryant both being on the field. You just have the right running back then it doesn’t matter if you have defense, starting QB, no.1 WR, etc. lol.
Wnb0395, I don’t like Beady either but to say he’s not great QB, possibly best of this era? Come on bro. Matt Cassell proved nothing other than a backup can keep winning some games if starter goes down on a superb Super Bowl team. Yes Belichick is a superb coach. Make no mistake nobody does what Brady does. I can throw tons stats with Cassell and Brady but it’s not worth my time. If he’s Brady’s equal why didn’t they sign Cassell to 100 million dollar deal and cut Brady? It’s the system and the coach anyone can do it right? Pure non sense my friend.
DRD you make good points about Glennon and I agree for most part. He just doesn’t have “it” and lacks athletic ability in the pocket to go with his arm and brain. I will say though bro the way that O line played nobody could had any success. McClown played lot better in Cleveland. Came to Tampa in preseason and carved us up like a Christmas goose too. Lol. At the end of the day Glennon is a good better than average backup. The other 31 teams seem to agree with that statement.
Fedster, your missing the point I was trying to make. Im not saying Cassell is Bradys equal. Cassell is one of the worse Qbs to play in the NFL. What I was saying is if you can take a crappy QB like Cassell and have him break all bradys single season records in 1 season (up to that point) then maybe Bradys over rated and the System and the cheating coach has a lot more to do with it then great QB play. Brady is a far better QB then Cassell but he is overrated. Brady wouldn’t have all the attributes and stats he has if it wasn’t for Bilacheat and his system.
Hey Drdneats – maybe Glennon can block ha I kid I kid
The Glennon supporters make me laugh he is not a leader he folds under any type of a rush, has zero escape ability and ya know what the Bucs Organization agrees with me cause they went out and drafted Jamies Winston and every NFL Team didn’t think so highly of him to even offer up a measly 4th rounder for him so say what you want you Glennon supporters the fact is the Bucs and every other NFL Team sees it differently than you, the end
For ANYBODY to gauge a QB by the 2014 season that was the “Arroyo effect” is completely ridiculous. You could’ve actually had Brady back there and the results wouldn’t be much different at all. I’m sorry but all credibility goes out the window if you want to evaluate Glennon based on that. Even with going through that debacle his stats are good despite it. That is a credit to him. Most QBs don’t come into their own until their 3-5th season anyhow. Now that he has a true OC & QB coach I think it is unfair to judge him completely until we see how he fairs this preseason in the limited action he will see. This will be a better chance to grade him out after being in the same system for consecutive years and an actual NFL system, not Lovie & Marcus Arroyo’s house of horrors. I for one think the guy could start elsewhere and would rather have him than several of the starting QBs out there.
Well the Bucs feel differently and so does every other NFL Team, “could have Brady back there and doesn’t matter”? ha Paleeeeze
wnb035, I was willing to listen objectively to you and deezenuts and some others opinions until you start saying he is winning because of the system he is in and the players he is with.
Same with Terry Bradshaw, Joe Montana, Peyton Manning, Joh Elway, etc.
As I said before, I like Glennon, but I get so tired or you guys bringing up his stats.
The only stat that means anything is how many W’s and L’s the QB has.
Glennon wasn’t dynamic enough and didn’t have enough inner swagger and confidence to lead this team to wins.
It’s as pure and simple as that.
It was the reasons the Bucs drafted Winston.
Drdneast, you point doesn’t make sense considering most the QBs you named played on multiple teams and or for multiple coaches in different systems and still performed great.
chortle, chortle, jongruden. Very droll. Actually, I liked the inside humor and would hate to see the rail thin Glennon trying to block down on a DE.
I also don’t think he’s as poor a QB as you seem to make him out to be.
Drdneast- Glennon has already proven he is not a starting qb in this league and there is enough tape out there for other teams to gauge his talent that they didn’t even offer up a pick for him, nuff said not my opinion just the NFL’s and the Bucs
Current coach of the Denver Broncos, Gary Kubiak, was drafted in the 8th round in the same draft as John Elway was drafted in the 1st by the (at the time) Baltimore Orioles. He became Elway’s many-year backup. He could have done worse in the NFL.
Check out his career on Wikapedia if you are curious.
Maybe we can get an 8th round pick for him?
It was the Colts wintergreen
Guys, please read BP1’s posts. It will educate you. Nice pic too:)
When Osweiler got the ridiculous deal he got, I thought for sure that there was no chance for us to retain Mike as a career backup once this contract is up. That said, the apparent lack of interest in him through trade makes me wonder. I think Mike’s a better QB than Osweiler is by a fair margin. That said, I’m not among the delusional Bucs fans who think he could lead a good offense and look good doing it. He’s not special. But a bottom third of the league starter, and better than most other guys in that group? Yea, I think so.
That said, the league clearly just doesn’t value him all that highly. Which really makes me wonder if maybe the assumption that a big market for his services as a free agent simply is not going to develop. If that happens, and the best offers he’s getting are for something like $7M per with a slim chance to battle to start, maybe he would consider staying here for a premium backup salary of around $5M per year for two years, or something like that. Maybe that’s his best shot at ultimately BECOMING a starter – Jameis going down, and him coming in and impressing in a big way over a small sample size, a la Kevin Kolb or Josh McCown years ago. The chances of us keeping him might be better than I and many others initially assumed after Brock got paid.
For what it’s worth, I’d be thrilled to keep him as one of the more highly paid backups out there. I do think he’s a great backup quarterback.
One correction, Mark – that’s not how comp picks work. If Glennon leaves next offseason then we could in theory receive a comp pick for him in the 2018 draft. There’s always a one year delay. And even then, that’s only if we don’t offset his loss by signing some free agents ourselves. Looking ahead to our situation next offseason, it seems pretty likely that we’ll spend plenty ourselves, making the receipt of a comp pick from the loss of Glennon unlikely. We’re currently scheduled to have $68 million in cap space next year, and that’s with the cap only expanding marginally in current projections. Couple that with the fact that we aren’t likely to lose any other players to big dollar deals, and expecting a comp pick for Glennon seems foolish to me. He’d have to get a monster deal, and we would have to be oddly and unnecessarily frugal for it to play out that way. There’s almost no realistic way we’d get a 3rd or 4th round comp for him.
Why are we wasting our time debating the virtues of our current back-up QB? There’s little doubt, although I have no real inside scoop like BP1, that Licht would have traded Glennon for a reasonable return if offered. He was only a third round choice; so what makes anyone think he’s elevated himself beyond that level now besides the tape of the few games he played? We can make all sorts of valid arguments for Glennon not resembling anything special in those opportunities. I see him as a Steve DeBerg type of QB. Unless he has a great team around him……”good enough to get you beat.” That said, I’d be fine with him either staying or going.
I’m probably more on board with your assessment of Glennon toofamiliar than with jongrudens.
I don’t know how you can say with all certainty we weren’t offered a pick for Glennon jongruden since I don’t think your privy to such inside info.
We could have been offered a fourth or a fifth and declined the offer. I can only “assume” we weren’t offered a third and that is all it is, an assumption. A guess.
Glennon is a better than average backup. He may have a chance to start for a team like Denver who can get by without a great QB but he’s pretty average at best as a starter.
I say we throw $5 mil at him to stick around at least through Winston’s rookie contract. At that point, we re-evaluate the cost as I’m sure Winston get’s a big contract
I don’t really know how good Glennon is and really none of us do. The last time we saw him in real game action was going on two years ago. And at that time the offense was ran by a guy that was not ready for the job. Also the offensive players have been upgraded since that point. Plus one would have to assume that Glennon has been developing at least some with Koetter’s teaching. Personally I think Glennon is good enough to excel in a offense with weapons and a good defense like the Jets. But who knows. I just don’t think evaluating him on his performance under a bad offensive regime is fair.
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