The 0-2 start to the season has many Bucs fans irate. A lot of the anger has been directed towards quarterback Josh McCown, and rightfully so. After a 2013 season in which he threw 13 touchdowns and just one interception, McCown has followed it up with three interceptions through two games so far this season, with the last one coming Sunday inside the red zone on a first-down play against the Rams.
While many fans have jumped off the McCown bandwagon, acting offensive coordinator Marcus Arroyo isn’t following suit.
As far as turning the ball over, I trust Josh,” Arroyo said on Tuesday while standing in for offensive coordinator Jeff Tedford again this week. “I trust him with calls, with doing things and getting us out in check downs. He makes checks in games that really only us (coaches) back here would know. It’s hard from your guys’ standpoint because you don’t know the (offensive) packages. He’s done a lot of really good things that are part of him making decisions. The play calls are what we believe are best for us, and they hold no bearing on what he’s done at this point.”
McCown, who has thrown for 362 yards this season and has a QB rating of 75.1, also spoke on Tuesday, and gave a self-evaluation of his game through two starts.
“Well for me, at the end of the day quarterbacks are measured by wins and we’re 0-2,” McCown said. “For me, that’s how I evaluated it. I just think about what I could’ve done better to help us win the game. In both games, I really felt like I did a lot of good things, except the turnovers. There have been three turnovers in those games, and they’ve been critical. It’s about eliminating those. As I evaluate myself, that’s really what I focus on – just not letting that happen. That will continue to be the focus every week, making sure they won’t happen. The other part is I’m pleased with how I’ve been throwing the ball. I feel like that part has been good. It’s just about getting outside the pocket and making bad decisions with the ball. You can’t do those things.”
Arroyo agreed that McCown had made poor choices when throwing the interceptions.
“It’s just some of the decision-making, you can’t turn the ball over,” Arroyo said. “Whether he’s pressing or starts off on fire and thinks he can complete every pass, again, you just can’t have those (turnovers) happen. Especially when we get that tight in the red zone and he starts off 8 of 8, and then has just that one little snafu. Those few things have held him up, but the success rate and analytics that we look at as far as that position, he’s doing a lot of really good things and we trust that it will only get better.”
McCown agrees he has to get better.
“You have to correct it,” he said. “This last game I felt like I got into a rhythm early, so sometimes you feel good and move out of the pocket, but you can’t get too confident. Sometimes it’s better to throw the ball away. It’s definitely something as I watch tape. Any way to steal a mental rep, to train my mind. Because again, those are the things I have to eliminate. You look for every edge, every little thing you can do to help eliminate that (turnovers).”
Despite the poor decisions Arroyo was asked if he has lost any faith in McCown.
“Zero,” Arroyo said.
Mark Cook currently is the director of editorial content and Bucs beat writer and has written for PewterReport.com since 2011. Cook has followed the Buccaneers since 1977 when he first began watching football with his Dad and is fond of the 1979 Bucs team that came within 10 points of going to a Super Bowl. His favorite Bucs game is still the 1979 divisional playoff win 24-17 over the Eagles. In his spare time Cook enjoys playing guitar, fishing, surfing and family time at the beach. In addition, Cook can be found in front of a television or in Doak Campbell any time the FSU Seminoles are playing. Cook is a native of Pinecrest in Eastern Hillsborough County and has written for numerous publications including the Tampa Tribune, In the Field and Ya'll Magazine. Cook can be reached at [email protected]
Well that is really nice of him to say, unfortunately I don’t believe a word of it. If they had faith, they wouldn’t have run every down when they got near or in the red zone after the first bonehead interception. His inability to protect the ball si leading this team into an ultra conservative play calling mode which is boring and does not work at all. The only chance to win against Atlanta is to open it up and throw more and deeper, not less. Thursday will tell the tale of the season and I doubt the game plan will be too satisfying to Bucs fans.
The one thing I found interesting today when talking Arroyo was when explained the third-and-7 run versus a pass. Josh also talked about it on his radio show this evening. Both said the Rams went into a max pass coverage, dropping 8 into coverage. The thinking was with 8 in the end zone maybe Rainey could pop it. I watched some of the coaches film today but haven’t got to that play. I will tonight and watch the coverages and see what it looked like
Just watched that play and they had seven in coverage IF you count the linebackers, but the LBs recognized run early. There were clearly four linemen rushing the QB. If EDS holds his block and Dotson doesn’t miss his, then Rainey walks in. Evans was up top in single coverage, Owusu in the slot in single coverage and Jackson on the bottom in single coverage. Had that been play action the LBs still most likely would have sucked up and it could have easily been a touchdown pass to any of the three receivers.
I totally agree…McCown seems shy about throwing into coverage..we have to open this up a little. We are becoming too one dimensional.
Of course they have faith in him. If they didn’t then it is a reflection on them as well and more than likely a job. If Josh does not improve I personally feel there will be a lot of heat coming. The poor decisions being made by him are the ones that rookies make and usually the ceiling is much higher. For Josh he is at his ceiling and lets not forget why he has always been a back up. We have now seen two backups play better than him. I may be in the minority but I personally think they should put in Glennon and find out what he can do. Potential and reality are two different things and we need to know, If he stinks it up we know what our first pick is next year and we move on. The problem is Lovie will not bench him all year, we probably win 4-5 games and are talking about if Glennon is worth keeping…
You are spot on…Glennon needs to go in now, so that we can evaluate and make a decision where to go next year with the 1st draft pick.
dbuc63 your right lets see if glennon is the man or not
Buctebow, I agree. The article also doesn’t allude to whether Lovie has lost any faith in McCown (which I’m sure he has). It will be interesting to see how long Lovie leaves his players in the doghouse. Gruden never let anybody out of his doghouse. If what Lovie did on Sunday was a one-game thing and he puts McCown in tough situations again, we have a chance. If McCown capitalizes on those tough situations and isn’t careless with the football, we’ll win, even without McCoy. I said before the season started that both Brees and especially Ryan are overrated. It’s Newton that scares me because you can’t game plan for what he can do to you on the field.
Dbuc63, what do you mean by “put Glennon in and find out what he can do”? Between last season and this year’s preseason he’s played in 16+ games. He’s not some rookie draft pick, we have a very good idea of what he can do in the NFL. Life’s too short to spend another 14 games screwing around just to say we tried everything. I still stand by my statement that McCown has a low football IQ and I think Glennon’s is very high, but McCown’s legs and accuracy still give us the best chance to win.
My feeling is the pick was a really good defensive play he laid out for it…he is throwing 68 percent completion rate…and only 56 attempts in 2 games! our biggest problem was all those rush yards and no play action…crazy.
Ask Arroya and the “organization” again in 2 weeks if they lost faith in McCown
I am for seeing once and for all what Glennon can do with a years worth of experience. Either we will look better or he he won’t and we have our answer. As a rookie, I thought he did better than most rookie QB’s, but he is by no leans elite. If we had started him from the get go we would be 2-0. His throws may not be accurate, but he makes up for it a little because he has decent field vision and he is a quick learner. I don’t get McCown from the beginning.
Pinkstob, One year, really? I respectfully disagree. Payton Manning’s rookie season in which he actually prepared for during OTA’s etc. before preseason had a QB rating of 71, 56% completion percentage, 28 ints and 233 pass yards per game. By no means am I comparing the two QBs but your talking about an elite QB having a mediocre rookie season with less adversity than Glennon. No way you can judge a QB in one partial season and if you do statistically he didn’t do bad. If we have such a good idea about how Glennon can play then I suppose we knew that Josh would make bone headed ints as a life long back up…
Nice bit of analysis on that questionable play call Mark. What do we think Arrouo could or would say about his starting QB? How about this, “To tell you the truth guys, it’s like I’m sitting here trying to chose a date for the prom between Rosanne Barr and Rosie O’Donnel. Heck, we can be 0-2 with one of those fatties behind center. You know how loyal Lovie is to his QB’s, I just hope he’s loyal with his QB coach so I can keep this gig a little longer. My golly that McCown makes some totally dumb interceptions. It’s not like he was trying to throw it up and a defender makes a great play. He just throws it up…..then I throw it up. But what can we do…..put Glennon in? Have you seen that scarecrow try to run? Didn’t you hear Lovie comment how today’s NFL QB has to be able to run a little? There’s no way he lets me put him in the game unless McCown gets hurt. Hmmmmmmmm, I night be on to something. Thanks guys.
Mark: Still no tee shirt.
They knew Glennon couldn’t run before the draft Scu, why not then trade him, and draft a Q.B. who’s mobile, fits the scheme, and Josh could groom? Saw a crazy stat,on about 500 3rd, and 7’s NFL teams only ran the ball about 20 times, and only 3 were successful! When you have 6 5 receivers, you have to give them a chance in the red zone. The Hawks are 26th against the run after 2 games. Don’t expect the Bucs to throw much Thursday unless they fall way behind.
What has cost the Bucs games so far is defense. Let’s see some articles explaining where the pass rush has been, why the tackling has been so poor, why we are allowing over 70% completion rates to backup QBs, why Lovie’s turnover driven defense has created 1 through 2 games. The offense like most expected will take time as the OLine is getting on the job training, Doug Martin is gradually running himself OUT of the starting role and Mike Evans is still a rook. McCown needs to play better and from week 1 to week 2 he did just that. Im as mad as anybody else about McCowns INTs but that still doesnt excuse the awful play calling down the stretch that didnt give us the chance to win or our defense that has allowed teams with backup QBs to complete roughly 73% of their passes, throw for close to 500 yards with 2Tds and 0Ints through 2 weeks.
I’m still behind McCown as far as he can take us. When he throws the ball, it is generally on time and accurate – which is refreshing to see given the Freeman/Glennon years. If he can just rid the habit of throwing the ball up when under duress, both he and the team would be better off right now. I’m sure he understands that, and it is my opinion that he can correct it. Yes, even at 35 years old, people can make adjustments. He may be experienced in the league, but not recently as a starting QB. Hope he can put the int’s behind him – and hope that the fans can eventually let him put them behind him.
Great, they’ve lost zero faith in a guy who isn’t accurate, crumbles with pressure, and still won’t throw to the Twin Towers in the red zone. After watching a few of McClown’s passes sail nowhere near a receiver, I had to doublecheck to make sure Freeman didn’t sneak onto the field.
It BS they haven’t lost faith, but until we have a better QB they have to say it. Glennon is a back up in my book. McCown has 13 more games to change my mind but I think these stupid turnovers will continue. I’ll be shocked if he actually gets through a game without an ill advised throw and int.
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