on PFF

1. Spencer Fano

2. R Mason Thomas

3. Kyle Louis

This would be a great haul  

Circling back on this, do you think he gets past Baltimore?

Either Fano, Vega or Mauigoa are going to be there. There’s only 14 guys that can go ahead of us.

Our pick should be one of these 3. 

well unbearable seems to be the status quo with Bowles at the helm

2022 and 2025 were unbearable seasons

2023 and 2024 were enjoyable, relatively speaking for this franchise

2026 is the tiebreaker my friend. 

The injuries to the o-line, and his own, resultant, mounting injuries, are the reason for Baker’s poor play in the 2nd half of the season. Not concerned that he is declining, he was just beaten to a pulp in starting in Detroit, and he was never healthy afterwards, the re-injury of his non-throwing shoulder finished it.

But he won several warm games, largely on his own merit & sheer will & determination.

None of his injuries were seemingly (permanently) structural, but they were limiting. It is the reason I’m ok with adding an eventual, significant, upgrade at IoL this draft in the 1st round, if we don’t trade, or mnage a trade down. Even if either/both occur, I’m expecting a mid-round pick to be IoL.

this seems basic common sense to me

Its no guarantee that Mayfield is a solution or even worth the $ but to see 2025 as a reason to doubt Mayfield seems odd. Hopefully he is the least of the Bucs problems, lets just get him some decent run game and line play.

if you take the blinders off....2025 is every reason to doubt Baker Mayfield.

he had some costly bone headed turnovers that makes you question if that was injury related or just poor decision making.

dude suffered a low-grade shoulder sprain on his non throwing shoulder.  Certainly will have some impact but was healthy enough to play

Do you not think Mike Evans himself questioned Baker's ability after the 2025 season?  Sure, we can blame Todd Bowles and i most certainly will....but Evans sprinting out of here had a little to do with Baker as well. 

I dont see it that way at all, but you could be right about all of that.

I don't think its "blinders" to note a statistical drop off that matches with the Rams game injury or to see a decimated O-line and I think that all QBs make turnovers/missed throws when they press. 

The hallmark of the 2024 offense was a GREAT run game and short passing.  The 2025 season was most often no real run game and often momentum/drive killing LONGER passing.

One is a recipe for QB success (2024), the other (2025) often failure. Add in injury to the entire line and the QB himself. 

so which camp are you in

1 - extend him now at 50M plus

2 - wait until 2026 plays out

for those thinking we can get him at 40M....ok, i can consider that type of extension NOW...but i would be thinking Bakers agent is taking your approach that he's a 40 plus TD guy and that injuries abound is why 2025 was a dissapointment.

if i am Licht, there's no way i am giving the benefit of the doubt. 

if the argument is 40M per year versus 55M per year if we extend him now, then i can see that...but if we are talking 50M now versus 55M later....i am not sure i see the downside of option 2.  what say you?

FAB 4. Zac Robinson Could Be Liam Coen 2.0 For The Bucs

"The expectation with Robinson in Tampa Bay is that he can essentially be Coen version 2.0 this season. The two offensive minds share the same philosophy and brand of football that they learned from years of coaching under McVay in L.A.

In my conversations with Bowles and Coen at the NFL Annual Meeting earlier this week, I was told that Robinson knows how to effectively marry the run game and the pass game, knows how to get receivers open, and ably deploy both 11 (three receiver sets) and 12 personnel (two tight end sets), as well as the Pony package (two-back sets in 21 personnel) that Coen incorporated in his lone season with the Bucs."

FAB 1. Akheem Mesidor Is The Relentless Edge Rusher The Bucs Need

the shit 2021 draft class

The "run it back" year. Drafting for immediate need AND for post-Brady lean years. 

not excusing just pointing out the flaw. 

Glazers probably excuse 

were they drafting for immediate need? 

No, they clearly weren't. But the loon has to perpetuate a narrative.

Keeping Bowles does not make sense in any other scenario.

a few possibilities

1. the loyalty they keep mentioning

2. belief (even if wrong) that 2025 was an injury-related outlier

3. the need to transition older players out without FORCING them out like post first SB 

4. the challenges of finding a better HC who would deal with BOTH the "cash management" you mention AND how to deal with Evans, LVD etc.

5. the influence of Arians and Licht

6. the combination of a number of those things

You could be right though.  Just alternative food for thought.

They either don’t have the money, or they don’t actually believe in the HC/GM.. if so, why keep them?

I think it has to be a cash management issue. Keeping Bowles does not make sense in any other scenario.

Exactly. And, well said. 

Again, the way the Glazers handled the Coen situation was awful. Set us back YEARS. 

on PFF

1. Spencer Fano

2. R Mason Thomas

3. Kyle Louis

This would be a great haul  

Circling back on this, do you think he gets past Baltimore?