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I started to read this crap you posted with an open mind because you started off sounding reasonable. It’s clearly really hard for you to keep that up longer than a few sentences.

You’re definition of “facts” is a twisted bunch of bullcrap you’ve been spewing for years.

You’re second “FACT” that you condescendingly state is absolute fact is not true which you would know if you bothered to read my post carefully or put any thought at all into your “thoughtful” response.

2. hate crimes are an ENHANCED sentence for existing crimes — ABSOLUTE FACT

I even highlighted the FACT that the Federal hate crime law and the state hate crime laws are completely different things and that only the state laws are enhancements while Federal hate crime statues create a new crime.

This is your biggest fault as a poster. This constant harping on “facts” that aren’t facts. “untruths”, “lies”

You just condescendingly pointed out how dumb I am because of a fact that is somehow still not true the way you are using it. And you don’t get it no matter how many ways I explain it to you.

What I really wish you would understand is that your Facts and Lies are often only facts and lies when viewed through your own biased lens. When the Orange guy was our President you called 90 percent of everything he said a lie. If he stated a fact you would often call it a lie just like you did above.

At the same time, now Biden is in the white house. He also lies a lot. But not according to you. According to you he barely ever lies, nor are any of the other DNC “facts” that aren’t really facts lies. Your lens is broken. A truly objective person can appreciate that American politics is built on lies and twisting facts to suit a narrative simple enough for the average man to get behind.

If you could take a step back and make another go at objectivity, you and I might finally be able to have a conversation.



@Jbear

I know this and don’t dispute this:

“I even highlighted the FACT that the Federal hate crime law and the state hate crime laws are completely different things and that only the state laws are enhancements while Federal hate crime statues create a new crime.

You’re now morphing your position to “I am only against the federal hate crime statute?” Is this now your position? Because the issue with Arbery was the absence of a STATE hate crime in Georgia AND you were FOR unmkareed federal troops in Oregon, right?

Here is the scope of the problem you are identifying in our country of 300 million plus with 1.8 million violent crimes per year. Note thesee statistics from DOJ are “from January 2017 to present”

Hate crimes prosecutions from January 2017 to present:

Racial Hate Crimes
Eight indictments and 14 convictions

Religious Hate Crimes
Eight indictments and seven convictions in cases involving arson or other physical attacks, or conspiracy or threats to commit such attacks against places of worship;
Seven indictments and five convictions in cases involving other hate crimes based on religion.

Sexual Orientation Hate Crimes
Six indictments and six convictions

Other (Gender Identity Hate Crimes)
One sentence;
One indictment, one conviction in state court with a federal prosecutor cross-designated as a state prosecutor.

SO . . your turn:

1) you agree that STATE hate crimes are no different than other crimes that require proof of state of mind?
2) you agree that STATE hate crimes are enhancements?
3) you agree that you said your OPINION was valid because another libertarian once offered the same opinion?

:-)