Stagger Lee

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I am no sure what that means, so maybe I am wrong in my comments about your views. Here’s your chance to clarify and if I am wrong I will apologize

There is no doubt that the Lost Cause existed and even exist today. This is the Lost Cause – “the Lost Cause, is an American pseudo-historical, negationist ideology that advocates the belief that the cause of the Confederate States during the American Civil War was heroic, just, and not centered on slavery”

I believe– but could be wrong – that you have posted before that the Civil War was, in essence, an “heroic” and “just” fight over “state’s right,” not slavery (ie the specific right at issue)?

Correct?

I recall posting the actual SC declaration, with its direct reverence to slavery, and I think you dismissed it?

No you are not correct because you misunderstand my objections to your line of thinking. The lost cause became the truth to generations of southerners. Whether or not there were some who overtly participated in the war because of racism doesn’t even matter. The fact is that there were a lot of reasons why somebody who often didn’t even own slaves would enlist to fight in a war against outsiders and in defense of their home state. What that became after the crushing defeat of the south “happened”. It became a noble cause if right or wrong it “was”. It’s not me who wants to rewrite history it’s the people on team benevolent good guy. It’s one thing if we end up taking down all the statues and vilify the flying of the confederate flag but another thing to demand a complete (pardon the pun) whitewashing of history.

I think 99% + of Americans can agree that the wiping out of native peoples was a travesty. Slavery was a travesty the crusades, countless unprovoked wars, the spanish inquisition and that racism were all terrible tradgedies. I firmly believe that.

If there is some small thread of CRT that can be saved and will benefit mankind then I hope someone will figure out how to do that but I fear that liberals took it, owned it and ruined it for all time. I’m not opposed to looking at race differently but this militant style of blaming, and attacking people based on race is twisted. Demanding that a southerner can’t take pride in civil war hero’s who they may even be related to is just one example. As usual the left always takes things too far. I disagree with using force on people which is what all this comes down to. Anything that is related in any way to the idea of anti racism is abhorrent.

well that hard to follow but my apologies for misstating your position.

ON this:

The lost cause became the truth to generations of southerners. Whether or not there were some who overtly participated in the war because of racism doesn’t even matter. The fact is that there were a lot of reasons why somebody who often didn’t even own slaves would enlist to fight in a war against outsiders and in defense of their home state.

“became the truth” doesn’t mean it is truth. Historically, yes people defended their states. Robert E Lee was, of course, a Virginian . . but also a SLAVE OWNER and it was the south who succeeded. The right they were protecting was the right to maintain slaves. If you look right here you will see this picture:

“Confederate pictorial envelope, Charleston, S.C., ca. 1861. Huntington Library, Art Collections, and Botanical Gardens.”

https://www.huntington.org/just-cause

its and envelope and it has the snake “UNITED OR DIE,” each section a state, and it has a quote from JEFFERSON DAVIS:

“Slave States . . once more let me repeat, the only way of saving our slave property or what we prize more than life, our liberty, is by a union with each other.”

Just like now the dividing line was created y an election, in this case of Abraham Lincoln. Lincoln is elected and this from South Carolina:

..A geographical line has been drawn across the Union, and all the States north of that line have united in the election of a man to the high office of President of the United States, whose opinions and purposes are hostile to slavery. He is to be entrusted with the administration of the common Government, because he has declared that that “Government cannot endure permanently half slave, half free,” and that the public mind must rest in the belief that slavery is in the course of ultimate extinction. This sectional combination for the submersion of the Constitution, has been aided in some of the States by elevating to citizenship, persons who, by the supreme law of the land, are incapable of becoming citizens; and their votes have been used to inaugurate a new policy, hostile to the South, and destructive of its beliefs and safety.

and Mississippi:

Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery—the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization. That blow has been long aimed at the institution, and was at the point of reaching its consummation. There was no choice left us but submission to the mandates of abolition, or a dissolution of the Union, whose principles had been subverted to work out our ruin…

and Louisiana:

“As a separate republic, Louisiana remembers too well the whisperings of European diplomacy for the abolition of slavery in the times of an­nexation not to be apprehensive of bolder demonstrations from the same quarter and the North in this country. The people of the slave holding States are bound together by the same necessity and determination to preserve African slavery.

and . . .