From what I've heard and read, Derek Carr is a good QB as long as there is no pressure, but if there is pressure he folds.How comfortable would that make you feel heading into a playoff game against Seattle? The funny thing is, David Carr had the same problem. Makes you wonder if they both lack peripheral vision or that sixth sense QBs like Brees, Russel Wilson, or our own late great Jeff Garcia had.All I'm asking for is for us to have a real discussion about Carr as a QB prospect. PR has intimated that the Bucs might have him ranked above all other QBs in this draft, and if so, I'd like to know why. The reasons he gave were the reasons I mentioned at the top of this thread. I am asking that PR dig deeper than that.Our ranking of the QBs in this draft is not a minor issue, folks. How far back did it set our franchise when we drafted Josh Freeman? 6 years? Given the quality of the free agents we have acquired this off season, we are unlikely to ever pick this high in the draft again in the next 5 years. And we have acquired a stop-gap QB for 2 years. So chances are very very good that we are betting the next 6 years of our franchise on the QB we pick this year. If we draft Carr at Nr. 7, which many signs are pointing to, Licht won't be able to walk away from him for at least 4 years, much like Dom couldn't walk away from Freeman. That is why I am concerned.
I think it's not the "connections or nepotism" so much as it familiarity. The reality is that drafting a QB involves a lot of guesswork. You can interview or get reports from coaches and scouts, but the reality is you making an educated guess based on limited information. That said, I think the "2+2" stuff can be overblown - where is Ryan Nassib playing again? Not for Doug Marrone. Butch Davis passed on Clinton Portis to take a BC running back in round one (name escapes me now) despite coaching him at the "U". Carroll has passed on USC guys, Harbough on Stanford guys. The reality is that the media isn't allowed insight into the deepest councils of the scouting team, but making connections provides clues. I'm not a QB guru by any stretch, but I've gone through some of the Draft Breakdown videos - personally, I feel like the "pressure" stuff is overblown with Carr. I think it's a case where being David Carr's brother really hurts him. I'm largely of the opinion that QBs get sorted out and it really doesn't matter where you start, but if anybody had a case for it it's David Carr. He really didn't have a QB coach (Palmer was the OC and handled QBs), his HC was a neanderthal who kept him in a 9-sack game because it would show the vets that he was tough enough, and they didn't have weapons or an OL when he was brought in. David Carr was pretty much seen as a clean prospect, but he did have a funky delivery (lots of blocked passes), and was a pocket passer. I've read since he busted that while he was a good "character" guy, he might not have loved football. Richard Justice a writer who covered him in Houston said that by the time Kubiak arrived he had pretty zero confidence and his arm was noticeably weaker. But it's nature with brothers to project things - I mean I'm sure it's a big reason why teams favored Eli over Rivers or Big Ben. But as we see all the times, brothers can be totally different players. It's funny, because in non-sports type of things, it would be weird to think of someone being good or bad at something just because their brother is good or bad at something. I have a brother, and he and I have entirely different strengths and weaknesses. I thought this was a pretty interesting analysis of Carr, btw: http://www.footballoutsiders.com/futures/2014/futures-fresno-state-qb-derek-carr. Right now I like Bridgewater the best, and then Carr is second. I struggle to analyze Manziel. I feel like if he was picked I'd immediately be totally gung-ho, but am mildly terrified at the prospect. I don't know that I totally get Bortles. Still working on that one. I think I'd like to hedge my bets on all of them besides Bridgewater though (i.e., I'd prefer to trade down a few spots).
Excellent post Booker. This is the kind of discussion we need to have -- one about football skills.Personally I think family relations and familiarity are more relevant with coaches or role players, where scheme familiarity can in many cases be as important as skill set. A franchise QB, however, needs to have a tremendous skill set that is very rare -- there are likely only 1 or 2 in this entire draft. And the odds are extremely low that that 1 or those 2 franchise QBs in this draft happen to be the ones to whose brothers our coaches have past ties. It's possible, but very unlikely those two things overlap. But if a team starts from the point of view of whom they know, and then starts evaluating, it's easy for them to talk themselves into believing Carr is one of those 1 or 2.So your post Booker is a good start toward evaluating this draft's QBs from a pure skill perspective.
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