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Forget about Manziel. No respectable scout says he is anything more than a 2nd round pick.Listen to Cosell and that is exactly what the problem is going to be. He just can't function as a QB in the NFL right now. Maybe he'll get better and be able to stand in the pocket very consistently but it's a gamble to pick a guy to do something he's never been able to do so far. I believe Jdub said it well when he said that the progression of the college and NFL game is such that guys are much more advanced earlier on and are pretty much what they are early on in their career. He's just not a pocket passer and according to Cosell, doesn't seem to understand his own offense and routinely doesn't throw on time to open receivers. That is not a recipe for success in the NFL.

I'm on the fence myself as to how good he'll be, but I'm confused by this. First of all, Gil Brandt, Daniel Jeremiah, and Russ Lande are among the few actual ex-scouts doing punditry. They all have him in the top 10, with Brandt calling him the best prospect in the draft. Rich Gosselin (Dallas Morning News), who is as tied in to the draft as anybody, says he's talked to enough execs to know that Johnny Manziel is going in the top 12. I understand why Cosell wouldn't be willing to make a "leap of faith" - he wants to see the things he thinks are important in the NFL be done enough to develop a comfort level. But he even points out that "reasonable," "smart" people might disagree. I think the pro-Johnny Manziel argument goes like this - he's athletic, has insane football instincts, an NFL arm, and if he hasn't played in an NFL scheme, well that's not abnormal. Lots of prospects are projections based on raw tools. I'm on the fence because of - size (not height, but height/weight/frame), off-field concerns, and also because of the pocket questions. As for JD's argument - I don't really buy it. I think athleticism and the willingness of OC's to incorporate college aspects of the game help these young guys have success early, but I don't see where "you are what you are," and in the meantime, those teams are winning games.

Well apparently someone thought Tebow was a 1st round pick as well. I just fail to see Manziel do anything that I believe will make him a very good NFL QB. I watch his "highlight" film and other snaps from games and he makes some really amazing plays. However, those amazing plays are often a result of trying to create a play after the initial play was missed. His escapism is rare and he seems to have a lot of traits that would make it very good at carrying the football in the NFL, wr or RB or some combination thereof, but I just don't believe he's shown the ability to be a NFL passer. Everyone looks at Kaep and Wilson and RGIII as reasons to draft a running QB but they aren't. All 3 of those are teams that really struggle when they can't establish a running game. Put any of those 3 on this Bucs team this year and they would struggle just like Glennon.All things equal, I'd like a guy who can run but first and foremost that guy must be a very good passer with running his last option. Otherwise I believe he'll miss more plays running that he'll make by extending the play. Just my opinion.

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