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When Barimah and Moore became the starters against the Giants, we stopped allowing every pass inside 10 yards to be completed for the next 3 games vs NYG, vs Dallas, and vs Philly. There was a noticeable difference from Moore's INT on the first play of the NYG game (a slant pass), to allowing only 6 points vs Dallas and blowing out PhillyCommon denominator between Tim Jennings, Mike Jenkins, Barimah, Moore, Banks and Verner is lack of talent. Scheme and game plan was a factor as well, but pretending this group is loaded with talent is kidding yourselfGametime, the reporting was slanted towards cutting Verner and Banks all kinds of slack. Nows the time for Verner and Banks to talk? Hardly. Nows the time for them to prove they still belong in this league. I remember similar enthusiasm for Michael Clayton when Gruden got fired and Dominik gave Clayton 35 mil. It's easy to be a Homer and blame the former coach when a guy who had potential flames outI'm not saying Banks and Verner can't turn it around, but I am saying they need to work for it and be accountable, and all our Homer fans don't do them any favors by being biased towards them. There's a REASON Grimes was given 8 mil per year and Robinson was signed, and we might draft CB in round 1, and it's not because Verner and Banks are a couple gems

i can't remember if JAB and Moore were playing better, or differently, or it was on the QBs.  I do remember it didn't last long."This group" - is that last years group?  I don't think anyone is considering them super talented.  I don't think anyone is considering this years group super talented.  But both groups could probably be considered adequate.  Which is why this article was good IMO.  It gave a players perspective into why they thought the defense didn't work.It's not homerism, it's actual reporting IMO.  The slant question was something that was discussed a lot.  No one had a real answer.  Lovies answer was at odds to what the fans saw on the field.  So this was pretty good reporting.The guys were asked for an interview request and obliged.  There is nothing to prove today.  Games aren't even around the corner.Biased towards our own players?  Hahaha.As grimes reason for his contract, there is a reason that verner got a 7mil contract.  A reason banks was taken in the 2nd.  These guys are not talentless.  Most everyone has an issue with lovie.  This fab5 wasn't homerism in my book, but read it however you like.

There was no significant improvement.  There were individual spots where each player looked good and plenty where each looked bad.  Of course going against three weak offense riddled with injuries and back up QB's certainly didn't hurt.  And in each game, there were still plenty of slants with the CB playing 10 yards off.[member=6736]kbl117[/member], please show us where I said anything close to the secondary is loaded with talent.  We know it's hard enough for you to support your homerism for anything Lovie and to try and deflect away from his horrid coaching, but making things up does not help your cause.  No one here is claiming Banks and Verner are All Pro studs that will get 10 interceptions, each, every year.  What we are saying is that Lovie and is farce of a secondary staff's poor coaching and system made look them bad.  It made all of them look bad.  And it is our belief, based on their play before Lovie, that they are competent CB's and can play much better in a real NFL defense. And I agree 100% with GT, this was a very balanced article.  This article doesn't make Lovie look bad; he did that all on his own.  So how about you come back to reality and the real conversation.....  Banks and Verner hope to have a much better year now that they have a quality coaching staff and system.