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Here's the thing though - we cut him this season with absolutely no impact on our salary cap.  None.  Ziltch.  For as bad as the contract is you all say, it has no impact on our cap moving forward.  Would you have wanted him to make $4 million less per season but then have $4 million of dead cap space in each of the next 3-4 seasons?  We weren't using that cap space on anyone else last year.  And we didn't HAVE to get rid of it this year.  At least not this minute.  Lovie and Licht made a business decision in their own best interests.  I'm cool with that.  Absolutely cool with spreading that $$ around to other areas if that's how they want to build their team.  Especially with how cheaply we got Verner.  What I'm not cool with however is just throwing away Revis for nothing when we didn't HAVE to.  There was no deadline to get rid of Revis except our own self-imposed one.  One that I don't think was worth a round in the draft and $1.5 million.  That's what it would've cost to slow play our hand a bit longer....

That is a fair point BUT there really was "deadline" and we really had to because: a) these guys couldn't build the team the way they wanted without the space and, importantly, the structure of the contract was such that the end was coming one way or another.  For example, it has been mentioned that the Bucs could have unilaterally altered this year's sum to make it more cap-friendly. That is true, but think about what happens next year if that was done.  Also, say they do not take the approach they did this year and keep Revis on at $16 million this year; well, next year the EXACT same situation occurs again. If the Bucs don't win it all this year (2014) they are in the same position all over again, cutting Revis with one more year of rental. So really, what's the value that justifies giving up the picks and the extra money? One year of a fully healthy Revis? That might make sense where the team is on the brink, but Dom could NOT have reasonably thought that to be the case when the deal was done and Dom could not have reasonably thought Revis would voluntarily renegotiate, so cutting him had to be part of the plan if things did not go well.Unless I misunderstand something about the contract, the part in bold is the issue (the structure of the contract was such that the end was coming one way or another.).  As I appreciate the contract, it was ALWAYS a rental, just a series of one year rentals. There was a way to make the contract more cap friendly BUT only with the understanding that you would be taking a HUGE cap hit the very next year (these were essentially one year deals, not a 5 year contract, right?).  So, the point is cutting Revis at some point (because he was not going to renegotiate) had to always be in the cards.  As someone said above, knowing what we know now, Dom should've walked away. More and more, the Revis deal is looking like a Dom Hail Mary play, either to save his job or because he seemed to think that "big names" were the key.(btw, there was an impact on our salary cap - we gained $16 million by cutting him, right?)

I'm not saying I actually wanted to keep him another year either.  But the option should've been held on the table simply to give us a bit more leverage in trying to trade the guy.  I have no doubt they tried to trade him for a while.  But if you're a decent GM on another team, you see this deadline of draft picks and a bonus payment, and if you want Revis, the smart money is to wait it out.  . .  . . ..  We took our best asset and just let it go for nothing at the first opportunity.  That, to me at least, wasn't a Dominik mistake.  It was Licht mistake. 

aren't those two comments (in bold) inconsistent with each other? on the one hand, the well known structure of the contract ("deadline of draft picks and a bonus payment") is the reason any "decent GM"  would NOT trade for Revis . . . but ,on the other hand, letting Revis go "for nothing" is NOT Dom's mistake?  Here, this might help . . .  describe the scenario where Licht ever gets anything for Revis? I guess one scenario would be that the market catches up to Revis' salary, but other than that how was Licht ever really going to get anything for Revis? I can answer that one -There was no way Licht was ever going to get anything for Revis (let alone recoup the 1st and 4th) and that was because Revis was OVERPAID and WOULD NEVER RENEGOTIATE and was ON A SERIES OF ONE YEAR DEALS . . . .right? Those circumstances are not on Licht, they are on Dom, right?  LIcht just did what Dom would've had to do eventually too, just sooner.

The difference is in what you think the reason we couldn't/didn't/wouldn't trade Revis is.  You are assuming the salary was the main sticking point.  That with a lower salary, we would've gotten rid of Revis no problem.  That is probably true.  But it also holds aside the fact that anyone and their Mom could see we had a $1.5 million bonus payment and the difference between a 3rd and 4th rounder on the 3rd day of the league year.  Even if you are comfortable with the $16 mln/yr salary, why would you go in on anything at this point if you think the Bucs are going to release Revis for nothing?  At a certain point its not as much about the salary as it is about the additional compensation you have to give up. . . . But I argue $16 million would've been very tradeable had that date passed and suddenly teams who wanted Revis enough to sign him within 3 hours of his release would at least SERIOUSLY contemplate eating that $16 million and sending a pick our way.

Jay, a couple closing thoughts:1. whether its salary or any other factor they are all CONTRACT factors.  Nearly everyone would want Revis the player, BUT the contract was the issue, no matter how you dissect it. .AND . .  Dom created the contract.2. "sending a pick our way " --- LOL, all evidence to the contrary, but since you said it what type of pick?  You realize that any team that traded fOR Revis was essentially getting him for one year if things do not work out.  That was the flaw in the contract. But putting that aside for a second, if your theory is right, then Oakland or Cleveland or any other team where Revis ("I just want to win") wouldn't go voluntarily would have actually traded for him, right? If your theory is right, those are precisely the types of teams that would "at least SERIOUSLY contemplate eating that $16 million and sending a pick our way" . . . . and yet . . .  NONE OF THEM DID.

But why would they if they think they can get him without surrendering a pick?  If its made obvious he's getting released then why pay for anything?  To make sure you get him, maybe those teams didn't want him enough.  But New England certainly did.  And they basically have a one year rental going with the way the salary is structured with upwards of a $20 million cap hit in year 2.  if New England is willing to structure the contract like that, are you really THAT certain they wouldn't have coughed up a pick had we held out for longer?  The difference between $16 million and $12 million isn't really that much for a team who thinks this move puts them over the top.  Especially if it also means they have the player for cheaper next year.

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