2019 Game 1 All 22 Review

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  • #1209628
    Nobody
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    Let me be clear on the Screen play:

    1) The Screen not working was not on JW. At all. That was the product of good plays by two players; WLB and 3T.

    2) The failed Screen play turning into a calamity; the pick, and particularly the Pick 6, was 100% on the QB. That play can’t happen. Tailback Screen plays fail all the time, most often because the playside Edge doesn’t get upfield around the C arc and can peel back and make the play (hence why it’s important for Bosa to be upfield…just like on a Draw, the play is designed to exploit the area the Edge has vacated). The QB’s job is to recognize this and just nuke the play. Limit the damage.

    Jameis should have just thrown it in the dirt the moment the 3T sniffed it out and was occupying the “play space.” Sometimes you can peel a 2nd level player who has sniffed out a Screen…but playside 3T or Edge? Done.

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    #1209632
    GoldsonAges
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    Let me be clear on the Screen play:

    1) The Screen not working was not on JW. At all. That was the product of good plays by two players; WLB and 3T.

    2) The failed Screen play turning into a calamity; the pick, and particularly the Pick 6, was 100% on the QB. That play can’t happen. Tailback Screen plays fail all the time, most often because the playside Edge doesn’t get upfield around the C arc and can peel back and make the play (hence why it’s important for Bosa to be upfield…just like on a Draw, the play is designed to exploit the area the Edge has vacated). The QB’s job is to recognize this and just nuke the play. Limit the damage.

    Jameis should have just thrown it in the dirt the moment the 3T sniffed it out and was occupying the “play space.” Sometimes you can peel a 2nd level player who has sniffed out a Screen…but playside 3T or Edge? Done.

    @nobody
    Jameis should have thrown it away. He made a poor decision.

    Another way to explain it was the play didn’t work because Marpet got dominated and Jensen whiffed his block.

    Or the RB should have made his cut earlier, which needed to happen if the tackles were allowing the edge rushers a free pass upfield.

    Basically, everything that could have gone wrong, outside of Cappas play did go wrong. Not just one player had a bad play

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    GottaJaboo wrote:
    (Justin) Evans will be far superior to (Budda) Baker in the pros.

    Dan Skipper Sucks! (lost bet)
    Update - UDFA Dan Skipper has been signed by the Dallas Cowboys

    #1209663
    The Anti-Java
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    Looking forward to see NOBODY’s opinion on Dare’s play.
    The brother had me yelling at the TV.

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    #1209678
    Crazyhorse54
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    Winston is simply not coachable. He is who he is. He won’t do better anywhere else.

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    #1209685
    tog
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    Let me be clear on the Screen play:

    1) The Screen not working was not on JW. At all. That was the product of good plays by two players; WLB and 3T.

    2) The failed Screen play turning into a calamity; the pick, and particularly the Pick 6, was 100% on the QB. That play can’t happen. Tailback Screen plays fail all the time, most often because the playside Edge doesn’t get upfield around the C arc and can peel back and make the play (hence why it’s important for Bosa to be upfield…just like on a Draw, the play is designed to exploit the area the Edge has vacated). The QB’s job is to recognize this and just nuke the play. Limit the damage.

    Jameis should have just thrown it in the dirt the moment the 3T sniffed it out and was occupying the “play space.” Sometimes you can peel a 2nd level player who has sniffed out a Screen…but playside 3T or Edge? Done.

    @nobody

    Jameis should have thrown it away. He made a poor decision.

    Another way to explain it was the play didn’t work because Marpet got dominated and Jensen whiffed his block.

    Or the RB should have made his cut earlier, which needed to happen if the tackles were allowing the edge rushers a free pass upfield.

    Basically, everything that could have gone wrong, outside of Cappas play did go wrong. Not just one player had a bad play

    Uhhh… what?

    Players other than Jameis made mistakes which resulted in the playing being DOA.

    But at that point on the decision tree Winston is presented with all this information. He knows the play is dead. He has a binary choice: force it or throw away. He chooses force it.

    That play result is 100% on Winston. No other mistake made by anyone else, coach or player, meant that Winston had a complex choice. He had a very simple choice and still made the wrong one.

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    #1209693
    GoldsonAges
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    @tog

    Obviously Jameisade the wrong decision. Nobody is debating that.

    But when you say the play is 100 percent on Winston that is completely false.

    EVERYBODY involved except Cappa contributed to the failure.

    If you rewatch the play as I have done you see the RB looking like he wants to cut across the DL face, but he doesn’t. That was terrible. He was the hot read.

    Also look at the other routes. The playcall was garbage.

    You can blame Jameis all you want. I agree he made a stupid throw. But lets not ignore the fact that everything else went wrong, from play design to execution of all but one player (Cappa).

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    GottaJaboo wrote:
    (Justin) Evans will be far superior to (Budda) Baker in the pros.

    Dan Skipper Sucks! (lost bet)
    Update - UDFA Dan Skipper has been signed by the Dallas Cowboys

    #1209697
    The Anti-Java
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    @tog

    Obviously Jameisade the wrong decision. Nobody is debating that.

    But when you say the play is 100 percent on Winston that is completely false.

    EVERYBODY involved except Cappa contributed to the failure.

    If you rewatch the play as I have done you see the RB looking like he wants to cut across the DL face, but he doesn’t. That was terrible. He was the hot read.

    Also look at the other routes. The playcall was garbage.

    You can blame Jameis all you want. I agree he made a stupid throw. But lets not ignore the fact that everything else went wrong, from play design to execution of all but one player (Cappa).

    Every play is not perfect, players screw up. Sure on that play a lot when wrong. Not unusual.
    But Jameis is the captain of the ship, its HIS call to stay with the play or throw it away.
    That is where the blame lies IMO. He is supposed to recognize its time to abort. After 5 years in the league, hopefully.

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    #1209704
    GoldsonAges
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    @antijava

    Agree 100 percent he should have thrown it away.

    But simply not going tp bury my head in the sand and pretend Jameis is 100 percent the problem on that play. To do so would be ignorant

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    GottaJaboo wrote:
    (Justin) Evans will be far superior to (Budda) Baker in the pros.

    Dan Skipper Sucks! (lost bet)
    Update - UDFA Dan Skipper has been signed by the Dallas Cowboys

    #1209709
    Nobody
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    3RD & 4 AT TB 30(13:45)
    (13:45) (Shotgun) J.Winston pass incomplete short left to C.Godwin (F.Warner).

    Strong Right, Singleback Right, Wide Bunch Left vs 335 Nickel w/ LB pressing B gaps, Off Coverage, 2 Deep; Cover 3 Zone (C3Z).

    On the right side you have TE running a 5 yard Stick (Out) and RB runs an Arrow under that.

    Bunch is a Spacing concept:

    Point – Slant > 5 yard Cross/Hook Up (because Zone)
    Wide – 6 yard Speedout
    Tight – 5 yard Hitch (inside release under Points’ release for Rub)

    The LB that comes is the Strong side LB, so that leaves 2v1 over there with the Seam/Flat threats of the Stick/Arrow vs Sherman only (the other LB is the Hole defender…there isn’t an actual Hook/Seam defender over there; its on the other side with the Bunch).

    This has to be the read if you know they’re in C3Z. The other side is basically 4v3 as there are no vertical routes to threaten the boundary CB so he isn’t bailing and the Hole defender is leaking toward Mike’s Slant > Cross.

    Jameis is looking at the Bunch Spacing concept so clearly he has prioritized that. That tells me that he didn’t know what defense he was facing. Those 3 guys are all covered by that 4 defenders vs 3 offenders (no surprise).

    Pass protection is great and affords him tons of time and the opportunity to go through his Bunch progression. Unfortunately, this is the wrong concept to prioritize given the coverage.

    The read was basically Sherman vs OJ and Ogunbowale. If he widens to the RB Arrow route throw the Stick for a 1st down. If he covers the Stick then you’ve got a RB on a huge catch and run up the sideline.

    QB error.

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    #1209711
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    4TH & 4 AT TB 30(13:37)
    (13:37) B.Pinion punts 3 yards to TB 33, Center-Z.Triner, downed by TB-J.Watson.

    This is simple. Ogunowale lost badly here. Forced back right into the lap of the kicker. Game-changing Punt Block.

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    #1209714
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    2ND & 9 AT TB 32(13:08)
    (13:08) (No Huddle) J.Garoppolo pass short left to G.Kittle to TB 13 for 19 yards (S.Barrett).

    Strong Right, Strong I, Split WR vs Base 34 Off Coverage; C3Z (weak S is Hook/Seam defender that side).

    They run a Zone/Gap hybrid play-action Boot (RT Pulls off of Kittles fake Pin).

    Kittles’ fake Pin turns into a Crossing Route.

    The vert that side forces the CB deep. Barrett is the Flat defender that side and the play-action fake causes him to chase the play-fake from the backside a step. That is enough for Kittles Crossing Route from the other side to out-flank him. Its an easy pitch and catch with the QB Booting that way.

    Dorian Stewart (S that side that comes down for Seam/Hook defense) is a tad late in his recognition as well, but he isn’t involved in the play because Barrett ultimately recovers and makes the tackle.

    However, this play design is absolutely fantastic. This play call is absolutely fantastic. And Barrett just got put in a very difficult position and lost.

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    #1209721
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    1ST & 10 AT TB 35(10:23)
    (10:23) J.Winston pass incomplete deep left to C.Godwin.

    Unbalanced Right, Single Back, Stacked Twins Left w/ Slot motion to Wing Left vs Base 43 Over /w Rolled Up SS (Open side); C3Z.

    Play Action Man Off LG.

    Weak/Open side features:

    Mike is Wide and he runs a straight 9
    Godwin is Slot/Wing L and he runs a Corner
    RB runs Flat/Arrow under those two

    Mike’s Vert pulls the deep 1/3 (and draws the single high in middle 1/3 as well, which opened up Brate’s outside release Dig from the other side). The PA fake pulls up the Hook/Seam and the Flat coverage. The Flat coverage desperately tries to get to the Flat/Arrow route by the RB to prevent the out-flank. Godwin’s Corner route wins as a result of all of these things.

    Its open.

    Pass Protection is plenty good (OJ stays in to Pass Protect as well).

    QB overthrows Godwin’s open Corner route.

    Schemed win. QB makes correct read. QB execution error on the throw.

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    #1209727
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    1ST & 10 AT SF 46(08:52)
    (8:52) J.Winston pass incomplete short right to M.Evans.

    Unbalanced Right, Singleback, Twins Left, Slot Motion to Wing Left vs 43 Over w/ Rolled Up SS on Open side; C3Z.

    Play Action Power O Strong (RB stays in as well as Godwin who is Wing L); Max Protect.

    OJ (outside TE) runs an outside release 9.
    Cam runs a Deep Out under that.
    Mike runs a solo Deep Dig on the other side.

    Jameis is prioritizing the TE’s Seam/Deep Out combo (as he should be).

    With nothing threatening the middle 1/3, the Single High S leaks to OJ’s vert. He and the boundary 1/3 bracket it and its covered.

    Brate’s Deep Out is covered well by the Seam/Hook defender (who treats it like Man principles as he should).

    Jameis then moves to his 3rd read which is Mike’s Dig. The boundary 1/3 defender has no vert to threaten him so he stays with Mike. Once Mike’s Deep Dig clears the Flat + Seam/Hook defense, its open by a hair.

    Good QBing. Ball is there and it should have been a 1st Down Catch.

    Mike just lets it go through his hands; Drop.

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    #1209733
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    3RD & 7 AT SF 43(08:09)
    (8:09) (Shotgun) PENALTY on TB-J.Winston, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at SF 43 – No Play.

    A little shoulder bob/dip (it was there) causes a 3rd and outer end of Medium to be 3rd and Long…which we fail to pick up.

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    #1209738
    Nobody
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    2ND & 8 AT SF 17(13:45)
    (13:45) J.Winston pass short right to C.Brate for 17 yards, TOUCHDOWN NULLIFIED by Penalty. PENALTY on TB-D.Dotson, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at SF 16.

    Everyone knows this one. We’re Bunch Right (Wing TE) w/ Wide Motion to Slot Left, Singleback vs 42 Over Nickel; C2M (Mid Zone and Single High).

    Its a Playaction Off LT and TE Screen to Cam on the other side w/ Jenson and Dot engaging and releasing. They’re both out in front and this is an easy TD as the defense is completely fooled.

    Dot takes a good angle to Cam’s man and wins initially. He works his feet and does a good job until Cam gets beyond him. Unfortunately, Dot’s hands are on the outside of the shoulder pad, so when the defender tries to disengage, the Hold is called. This was the correct call. Unfortunately, you see this a lot with tall OL. If they don’t strike inside of the frame and then don’t reset…its trivially easy to see when this kind of thing happens.

    Good call by the officials. Great play call. Great execution everywhere (including Dot initially) except the lack of hand-reset by Dot.

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