3 Quarterback Sleepers

Boyd is the one that doesn’t belong on this list.I'd have Garoppolo as early as the 2nd (prefereably in the 3rd - but dude has got hyped) and Savage as early as the 5th... Developmental prototype QB. 

Not sure other than the arm I see a lot about savage I like.

Size and athleticism.His question mark is football intelligence IMO.

Garbage.

Garett Gilbert !!!

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Savage can really sling it! Agree Boyd doesn't belong on that list.

Stephen Morris!!!!!!!

It would be funny if Dallas drafted Garoppolo. Romo went to the same school.

It would be funny if any of these guys get drafted.  Movie trailer voice “In a draft when every QB stunk on ice……………………….these guys were the smelliest.” 

Very high on Goroppolo. Think he’ll go in 2nd round.

Keith Price.

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How are Garoppolo and Boyd considered sleepers? Everyone and their mom knows about the.Jeff MatthewsKeith WenningBrock JensenThose are three Quarterback Sleepers.

Boyd is rubbish.

How are Garoppolo and Boyd considered sleepers? Everyone and their mom knows about the.

A sleeper could be an unknown or an underrated player, though I understand the point you're trying to make about how can a high 2nd round pick be a sleeper.But I bet a lot of casual fans have no idea who Jimmy Garoppolo or even Derek Carr are.

And Boyd is the opposite of a sleeper. Everyone knows his name because if he came out last year he probably would have been the #1 QB in the draft…..but stayed in college and was exposed. He is now a 7th round guy because he is awful and everyone knows it. Dude is clearly a product of having DeAndre Hopkins, Sammy Watkins, and Martavis Bryant at WR.

And Boyd is the opposite of a sleeper. Everyone knows his name because if he came out last year he probably would have been the #1 QB in the draft.....but stayed in college and was exposed. He is now a 7th round guy because he is awful and everyone knows it. Dude is clearly a product of having DeAndre Hopkins, Sammy Watkins, and Martavis Bryant at WR.

Do you think Manziel was carried by his receivers…

Just a handful of tweets I saw earlier.

Dbuc, I was a big fan of Sw0pe and Evans is really good, but I don’t think they carried Johnny. It’s funny because a lot of people hate on Johnny for the LSU game, but if you really watch that game…it was Evans. He was just off. He had a lot of drops. Had one hit him in the  numbers and bounce off for an Interception. Same thing in the Missouri game….but Manziel gets the blame. Truth is, Manziel did depend on Mike a lot because Mike was not only a great WR but he was really the only dependable weapon after Sw0pe left. When Evans sucked like he did vs. LSU and Mizz….Johnny sucked too. So I can see the argument, but I think it had more to do with the lack of talent outside of Evans than anything else. Manziel and Evans were like 90% of the offense and their defense was awful, so if either guy was off, it got ugly. They were very symbiotic. With Boyd and Mettenberger, they just had such amazing talent on offense that I think anyone would have looked good under center. It wasn't just one player like with Manziel. They were surrounded with top tier talent so they had big stats and it makes it hard to judge just how good they are. If Boyd hadn't failed so ridiculously bad this year...he'd probably still be considered a top QB. Florida State exposed him though and he never really regained any sort of form after that. I do think that Johnny will need some big targets that he can hit deep in order to be successful in the NFL. A big part of his game is avoiding pressure, extending the play, and then delivering a perfectly timed, accurate deep ball. With out the right receivers to take advantage of that, he will struggle. At least I think he will.

Thanks Jdouble – I am thinking most qbs need the right receiver group – it is the exceptional qb who don’t.  But that said, I like Johnny but I don’t know if I like him enough… lol.  What do you think of Aaron Murray – who I like anywhere from the 3rd on…

I’ve gone back and forth on Murray. I started off the year by thinking he was garbage. Then he grew on me just a little…but in the end I don’t think he is all that good. I kinda heap him in with several other QBs that I would take a shot on in the 4th round or later. The two things that bother me the most about Murray is that he was a big choke artist for most of his career, and his arm is weak. He did a little to shake that choke artist label, but I'm not sure he did enough. And as far as the arm goes, the Rotoworld QB Metrics really just backed up what I already saw, which is that his deep ball is awful. Out of all the QBs included, he had the least amount of 20+ yard attempts and of those attempts he had a very, very low completion rate. Plus his completion rate dropped to 50% when pressured. He might be a guy that could sit behind a veteran starter for 3 years and end up being pretty good, but I don't think he is a good fit here. He probably do well in New Orleans. http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/cfb/46748/349/peshek-qb-metrics-20

Murray seemed less impressive with every passing year.  I don’t at all see him as an NFL starter.

Boid is rubbish.

Fixed it for ya.  Although it's true Boyd is rubbish also.

I do not get criticism of Boyd and the worship of Carr. They have many similarities in their inaccuracy, poor footwork and tendency to fold like a lawn chair against pressure. Criticize both, don’t be unfair to Boyd.

Dbuc, I was a big fan of Sw0pe and Evans is really good, but I don't think they carried Johnny. It's funny because a lot of people hate on Johnny for the LSU game, but if you really watch that game...it was Evans. He was just off. He had a lot of drops. Had one hit him in the  numbers and bounce off for an Interception. Same thing in the Missouri game....but Manziel gets the blame. Truth is, Manziel did depend on Mike a lot because Mike was not only a great WR but he was really the only dependable weapon after Sw0pe left. When Evans sucked like he did vs. LSU and Mizz....Johnny sucked too. So I can see the argument, but I think it had more to do with the lack of talent outside of Evans than anything else. Manziel and Evans were like 90% of the offense and their defense was awful, so if either guy was off, it got ugly. They were very symbiotic. With Boyd and Mettenberger, they just had such amazing talent on offense that I think anyone would have looked good under center. It wasn't just one player like with Manziel. They were surrounded with top tier talent so they had big stats and it makes it hard to judge just how good they are. If Boyd hadn't failed so ridiculously bad this year...he'd probably still be considered a top QB. Florida State exposed him though and he never really regained any sort of form after that. I do think that Johnny will need some big targets that he can hit deep in order to be successful in the NFL. A big part of his game is avoiding pressure, extending the play, and then delivering a perfectly timed, accurate deep ball. With out the right receivers to take advantage of that, he will struggle. At least I think he will.

I totally disagree with you on Boyd - he'd have been exposed very early in the process, once the real tape guys got involved.  At the same time he was being touted by Kiper last year, the NFL Advisory Cmte. told him he'd be a mid-rounder. Personally, I think Boyd might be an interesting long-term project.