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      Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Veterans Who Have Been Put on Notice This OffseasonBy Luke Easterling May 21  201414055899027_13aa038627_o.jpgThe Tampa Bay Buccaneers have undergone a sizable overhaul this offseason, bringing in plenty of new faces to try and reverse the fortunes of last year’s 4-12 squad.As a part of that housecleaning, plenty of veteran Bucs have already been forced to pack their bags.  Names such as Davin Joseph, Donald Penn, Jeremy Zuttah and Dekoda Watson will be on the backs of different-colored jerseys in 2014, but that doesn’t mean that all is safe for the veterans who currently remain on the roster.Either by word or deed, here are five veteran Buccaneers who have been put on notice and should be looking over their shoulder this season.14262654693_b59e8e4765_o.jpgThe 20th overall pick in the 2011 NFL draft, Adrian Clayborn has failed to live up to the lofty expectations that come with being a first-round pass-rusher. Clayborn lost most of the 2012 season to a torn ACL, but even when he has been on the field, his production has been underwhelming.  In 35 career games for the Bucs, the former Iowa Hawkeye has managed just 13.5 sacks and didn’t receive a very convincing vote of confidence from new head coach Lovie Smith.The Bucs will reportedly not pick up the fifth-year option on Clayborn’s contract, making this a show-me year for the defensive end.  He’ll get first crack at starting opposite the newly signed Michael Johnson, but he’ll have to flirt with double-digit sacks to have a decent chance at earning a second contract in Tampa Bay.14055869000_11cd2664ca_o.jpgOnce considered a lock to be top overall pick in the 2011 NFL draft, concerns over a knee injury dropped him right into the Bucs' lap at the 51st overall pick. However, even as a mid-second-round pick, Bowers has largely been a disappointment, failing to show the pass-rushing skills that made him such a dominant force at the college level.  The Clemson product has made just eight starts in 39 career games for the Bucs, only sacking the quarterback 5.5 times.New head coach Lovie Smith is optimistic about Bowers’ talent, but he says that it’s time for the fourth-year defender to prove it.  With the knee issue still nagging, it’s going to be tough for Bowers to make a impact big enough to keep him around in 2014.14055836529_4d5f694646_o.jpgLooks like Mason Foster might be the only member of the Bucs’ 2011 draft class who isn’t in trouble.A fourth-round pick out of Tennessee, Stocker has struggled with both injuries and consistency during his tenure in Tampa Bay.  In 32 career games, Stocker has caught a mere 28 passes for 257 yards and a single touchdown.  Stocker was placed on injured reserve with a nagging hip issue in 2013, ending his season just three games into the schedule.The Bucs just spent a second-round pick on Austin Seferian-Jenkins and signed Brandon Myers as one of their first free agents this offseason.  The team has already jettisoned Tom Crabtree, and considering the emergence of Tim Wright last season, Stocker faces an uphill climb to make the roster.14055836509_ef0c331c0b_o.jpgAs a free agent in 2011, the Bucs gave Michael Koenen a six-year contract worth just shy of $20 million.  The former Atlanta Falcon is still only halfway through that deal, and it's time to start wondering whether or not $3.25 million per year is worth paying a punter for 2013 and beyond.Though Koenen has been solid as a kickoff specialist, the Bucs ranked 25th in the league in net punting last season.  Considering Koenen's price tag, along with the fact that Tampa Bay brought in arguably this year's best rookie punter to minicamp, it wouldn't be shocking to see Koenen get the boot soon.14055831478_20af6a9c73_o.jpgThanks to injuries, attrition and position changes, the Bucs have cycled through plenty of cornerbacks over the past two seasons.  Danny Gorrer has played plenty of meaningful snaps during that time, appearing in 13 games during his two years in Tampa Bay.  Injuries and the eventual departure of Aqib Talib, as well as the moving of Ronde Barber to safety gave Gorrer plenty of opportunities to log solid playing time.However, the Bucs have strengthened the corner position considerably in the last 12 months, drafting the promising Johnthan Banks in the second round last year, and adding free agents Alterraun Verner and Mike Jenkins in 2014.  Despite the loss of Darrelle Revis, Gorrer finds himself hanging by a thread on the Bucs' depth chart, with Leonard Johnson likely ahead of him as well.Barring injury, Gorrer looks like a long shot to make a significant impact this season and may not be a Buccaneer past 2014.http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2069128-tampa-bay-buccaneers-veterans-who-have-been-put-on-notice-this-offseason#articles/2069128-tampa-bay-buccaneers-veterans-who-have-been-put-on-notice-this-offseason/page/6

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    • Anonymous

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      Wouldn’t bother me if they are all gone before next season. Still kinda like Clayborn, but the writing may already be on the wall for him. Not sure why Koenan is still on the team now.

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    • Anonymous

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      Good teams have guys like this as their 2nd and 3rd stringers.  Its called “depth” something we havnt seen much of lately. I say keep them all.

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    • Anonymous

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      Koenen needs to go. Period.

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    • Anonymous

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      Some this year and more next year get picked off. Next year there will be like 5 players from the Schiano years left

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    • Anonymous

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      Stocker should be looking over his shoulder.  He is already 4th string.

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    • Anonymous

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      I will be surprised if Bowers makes it to opening day.

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    • Anonymous

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      Goldson needs to be on this lost. He’s likely gone after this season.

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    • Anonymous

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      Who do we have competing for the punter position? I don’t see any one besides Koenen listed as punter on the Bucs homepage.

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    • jamesh

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      Dashon Goldson, Mason Foster, and Leonard Johnson.Goldson - Paid like a top 5 safety, but played like a bottom 5 safety last year. If he doesn't dramatically improve in '14, then it's definitely within reason that they could boot him come March.Foster - Has pretty much improved every year, so that is a positive. In a contract year though, he will have to show that he can thrive in Lovie and Frazier's C2 style defense. If he struggles heavily vs the pass and is a noticeable weakness in the middle of the D, then L&L could decide to let him walk and will attempt to acquire a younger/better fit at MLB. Johnson - Also Johnson is also in his contract year. He will be lucky to be on the roster once the season starts, but if he is, he will have to show a lot more value than he has if he wants to get a new contract from the Bucs come next offseason.

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    • Anonymous

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      This year and next year, there could be 5 to 10 name guys released/traded. It should free up some real dollars for FA’s and cap space. All the dead wood will be gone. Fabulous feeling to be working on DEPTH for a change.

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    • Anonymous

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      Johnson - Also Johnson is also in his contract year. He will be lucky to be on the roster once the season starts, but if he is, he will have to show a lot more value than he has if he wants to get a new contract from the Bucs come next offseason.

      How much value were you expecting out of a undrafted player?  I could see your point if he was a 1st round draft pick.

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      Leonard Johnson will finally get to play in a scheme built for his skills. I can’t wait to see what Banks and Johnson do in Lovie’s defense. Could see the defense as a whole play better, good year time to be a Bucs fan guys and Gals. My cuts would be Bowers, Stocker, Koenen. With Bowers I don’t think it would hurt to keep him and the fact that you can’t have enough D-Ends.

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      Leonard Johnson will finally get to play in a scheme built for his skills. I can't wait to see what Banks and Johnson do in Lovie's defense. Could see the defense as a whole play better, good year time to be a Bucs fan guys and Gals. My cuts would be Bowers, Stocker, Koenen. With Bowers I don't think it would hurt to keep him and the fact that you can't have enough D-Ends.

      Rather than keep Bowers, I would like to see them sign a young UDFA DE.  And who knows, he could turn into something down the road. With Bowers, I think we have seen his best effort, time to send him packing.

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    • Anonymous

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      Why is Stocker still on the team? He is horrible at all aspects of professional football.

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    • vlagatta

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      I would love to hear a reasonable argument for anyone still thinking Adrian Clayborn has a chance.  If by now he has not shown us, he ever will.  We’ve seen his best, and his best is a discomforting blend of marginal with an occasional dose of suck.

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    • Anonymous

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      Why is Stocker still on the team? He is horrible at all aspects of professional football.

      This is a good question. How is this guy still in the league? He has done nothing.

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    • Anonymous

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      I would love to hear a reasonable argument for anyone still thinking Adrian Clayborn has a chance.  If by now he has not shown us, he ever will.  We've seen his best, and his best is a discomforting blend of marginal with an occasional dose of suck.

      Contract numbers have a lot to do with it also.  For instance Goldson. They have to pay him large this season, so might as well play him.  Next offseason though is a different story.

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    • jamesh

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      Johnson - Also Johnson is also in his contract year. He will be lucky to be on the roster once the season starts, but if he is, he will have to show a lot more value than he has if he wants to get a new contract from the Bucs come next offseason.

      How much value were you expecting out of a undrafted player?  I could see your point if he was a 1st round draft pick.

      What does my post have to do with how much I personally value or expect from Johnson?It has nothing to do with that.The topic at hand is vet Bucs who may not have a place on this roster this coming year. Same goes for Danny Gorrer, who was also undrafted and is now on his sixth team...and he made it on the actual list in this article.

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    • jamesh

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      I would love to hear a reasonable argument for anyone still thinking Adrian Clayborn has a chance.  If by now he has not shown us, he ever will.  We've seen his best, and his best is a discomforting blend of marginal with an occasional dose of suck.

      At a reasonable price, he has value as a 3rd DE. Wouldn't want to pay more than other vet #3 DEs get though. Probably somewhere in the Robert Geathers range at 3 years/ $3mil per.

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    • Anonymous

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      Johnson - Also Johnson is also in his contract year. He will be lucky to be on the roster once the season starts, but if he is, he will have to show a lot more value than he has if he wants to get a new contract from the Bucs come next offseason.

      How much value were you expecting out of a undrafted player?  I could see your point if he was a 1st round draft pick.

      What does my post have to do with how much I personally value or expect from Johnson?

      The bolded part sounds like a opinion on the player, no?I like Leonard. If anything he has exceeded expectations. He started 6 games in 2012, and 8 games in 2013.  An undrafted player, who has 97 tackles,4 picks, and a forced fumble.  Sure, he is not Revis, or Richard Sherman, but he has contributed.

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    • Anonymous

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      I would love to hear a reasonable argument for anyone still thinking Adrian Clayborn has a chance.  If by now he has not shown us, he ever will.  We've seen his best, and his best is a discomforting blend of marginal with an occasional dose of suck.

      Look at the first 3 years of our big money/name/prize FA DE we just got and then look at ACs.Tell us all again why Clayborn has no chance, he looked very promising as a rookie and then the injury derailed years 2 & 3.If he's healthy again I see no reason why he can't be a productive player for us.You aren't going to get 4 All Pros starting with 3 more Pro Bowlers backing them up, you get maybe 2 of those and then a bunch of pieces, there is no reason he couldn't be one of those pieces.

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    • jamesh

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      Johnson - Also Johnson is also in his contract year. He will be lucky to be on the roster once the season starts, but if he is, he will have to show a lot more value than he has if he wants to get a new contract from the Bucs come next offseason.

      How much value were you expecting out of a undrafted player?  I could see your point if he was a 1st round draft pick.

      What does my post have to do with how much I personally value or expect from Johnson?

      The bolded part sounds like a opinion on the player, no?I like Leonard. If anything he has exceeded expectations. He started 6 games in 2012, and 8 games in 2013.  An undrafted player, who has 97 tackles,4 picks, and a forced fumble.  Sure, he is not Revis, or Richard Sherman, but he has contributed.

      No is correct. It's looking at the totality of the roster and seeing that he may not have a place. If you're gonna take issue with me mentioning Johnson, then you should get just as offensive with the fact that another undrafted guy in Gorrer was brought up in the exact same manner.

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    • Anonymous

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      Leonard Johnson will finally get to play in a scheme built for his skills. I can't wait to see what Banks and Johnson do in Lovie's defense. Could see the defense as a whole play better, good year time to be a Bucs fan guys and Gals. My cuts would be Bowers, Stocker, Koenen. With Bowers I don't think it would hurt to keep him and the fact that you can't have enough D-Ends.

      Rather than keep Bowers, I would like to see them sign a young UDFA DE.  And who knows, he could turn into something down the road. With Bowers, I think we have seen his best effort, time to send him packing.

      i dont have much more than hope for bowers, but is adding another steven means , scott solomon and chaz sutton the answer?  id ride it out with bowers.  its not hurting us in obtaining quality at the position and if the light does ever go on it will be worth it.  i dont think weve seen bowers best effort, but we might never.

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    • Anonymous

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      Leonard Johnson will finally get to play in a scheme built for his skills. I can't wait to see what Banks and Johnson do in Lovie's defense. Could see the defense as a whole play better, good year time to be a Bucs fan guys and Gals. My cuts would be Bowers, Stocker, Koenen. With Bowers I don't think it would hurt to keep him and the fact that you can't have enough D-Ends.

      Rather than keep Bowers, I would like to see them sign a young UDFA DE.  And who knows, he could turn into something down the road. With Bowers, I think we have seen his best effort, time to send him packing.

      i dont have much more than hope for bowers, but is adding another steven means , scott solomon and chaz sutton the answer?  id ride it out with bowers.  its not hurting us in obtaining quality at the position and if the light does ever go on it will be worth it.  i dont think weve seen bowers best effort, but we might never.

      Well, I truly admire your patience Sir. I really do.  For me, if the light hasn't come on in 4-5 years, its time for a new light bulb.

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