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    • OneTruth

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      When the amount of compelling data is overwhelming you must question the “official” story.If it were just 1 or 2 conflicting facts then I could justify discriminating against the conflicting data.1. Thermite found at ground zero. http://investigate911.org/, http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/thermite/explosive_residues.html, http://911review.com/evidence/wtc_explosives.html2. Building 7 collapses without an observable action. http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-mysterious-collapse-of-wtc-seven/15201, http://rememberbuilding7.org/7-facts-about-building-7/3. Evidence of related nefarious activities. http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html4. Eyewitness accounts explosions occur exactly like a demolition. http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/eyewitnesses.html5. Using our logical mind what would be the purpose for a domestic attack on their own country? Well, what was the reaction to the action? wire taps, surveillance, increased "security" at the expense of freedoms. So my answer is - CONTROL. They want it...and they want more of it.http://www.thepowerhour.com/news3/jfk_speech_transcript.htm"Even today, there is little value in opposing the threat of a closed society by imitating its arbitrary restrictions. Even today, there is little value of insuring the survival of our nation if our traditions do not survive with it. And there is very grave danger that an announced need for increased security will be seized upon those anxious to expand its meaning to the very limits of official censorship and concealment. "

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    • Anonymous

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      Hogwash.All sorts of people at the scene claimed "it was a bomb".  Just because you're 10 feet from the scene doesn't mean you have the best vantage point.  Plenty of video to discount their ignorant claims...

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    • Anonymous

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      A rare sight.  Chronic being the voice of reason in a thread.

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    • Anonymous

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      There will always be some that refuse to see. To open their eyes and see…because they like the comforting shadows of the darkness. They plug up their ears so as to not hear…their necks are stiff like a goat’s…fighting and resisting….refusing to look and see; to listen and hear, to actually get the sense of it…there will always be some, and in reality it is most...

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    • Anonymous

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      Interesting correlation between mental illness and the 9-11 conspiracy theory

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    • Anonymous

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      So I am mentally ill now? LOL you really slay me. Far be it from me to shake you out of your slumber - go back to sleep young grasshopper....I am sorry to have brought these horrendous facts into your CFR created paradigm ........http://www.cfr.org/https://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=AwrBT8pbzP5VKxUA2U6l87UF;_ylc=X1MDOTU4MTA0NjkEX3IDMgRmcgMEZ3ByaWQDSER3TmZoVkRUc0szbGV4X1dVbks2QQRuX3JzbHQDMARuX3N1Z2cDMQRvcmlnaW4Dc2VhcmNoLnlhaG9vLmNvbQRwb3MDMQRwcXN0cgNkb2VzIHRoZSBjZnIgaW5mdWVuY2UgYWxsIG1lZGlhIGluIGFtZXJpY2EEcHFzdHJsAzQyBHFzdHJsAzQzBHF1ZXJ5A2RvZXMgdGhlIGNmciBpbmZsdWVuY2UgYWxsIG1lZGlhIGluIGFtZXJpY2EEdF9zdG1wAzE0NDI3NjE3NDY-?p=does+the+cfr+influence+all+media+in+america&fr=sfp&fr2=sa-gp-search&iscqry=

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    • Anonymous

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      So I am mentally ill now? LOL you really slay me. Far be it from me to shake you out of your slumber - go back to sleep young grasshopper....I am sorry to have brought these horrendous facts into your CFR created paradigm ........http://www.cfr.org/https://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=AwrBT8pbzP5VKxUA2U6l87UF;_ylc=X1MDOTU4MTA0NjkEX3IDMgRmcgMEZ3ByaWQDSER3TmZoVkRUc0szbGV4X1dVbks2QQRuX3JzbHQDMARuX3N1Z2cDMQRvcmlnaW4Dc2VhcmNoLnlhaG9vLmNvbQRwb3MDMQRwcXN0cgNkb2VzIHRoZSBjZnIgaW5mdWVuY2UgYWxsIG1lZGlhIGluIGFtZXJpY2EEcHFzdHJsAzQyBHFzdHJsAzQzBHF1ZXJ5A2RvZXMgdGhlIGNmciBpbmZsdWVuY2UgYWxsIG1lZGlhIGluIGFtZXJpY2EEdF9zdG1wAzE0NDI3NjE3NDY-?p=does+the+cfr+influence+all+media+in+america&fr=sfp&fr2=sa-gp-search&iscqry=

      Now?One question:Who specifically perpetrated this "domestic attack"?

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    • Anonymous

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      research young grasshopper. go beyond the box cutter... go far beyond...

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    • Anonymous

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      research young grasshopper. go beyond the box cutter... go far beyond...

      That's what I expected, no answer. You should seek professional help

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    • Anonymous

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      So I am mentally ill now? LOL you really slay me. Far be it from me to shake you out of your slumber - go back to sleep young grasshopper....I am sorry to have brought these horrendous facts into your CFR created paradigm ........http://www.cfr.org/https://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=AwrBT8pbzP5VKxUA2U6l87UF;_ylc=X1MDOTU4MTA0NjkEX3IDMgRmcgMEZ3ByaWQDSER3TmZoVkRUc0szbGV4X1dVbks2QQRuX3JzbHQDMARuX3N1Z2cDMQRvcmlnaW4Dc2VhcmNoLnlhaG9vLmNvbQRwb3MDMQRwcXN0cgNkb2VzIHRoZSBjZnIgaW5mdWVuY2UgYWxsIG1lZGlhIGluIGFtZXJpY2EEcHFzdHJsAzQyBHFzdHJsAzQzBHF1ZXJ5A2RvZXMgdGhlIGNmciBpbmZsdWVuY2UgYWxsIG1lZGlhIGluIGFtZXJpY2EEdF9zdG1wAzE0NDI3NjE3NDY-?p=does+the+cfr+influence+all+media+in+america&fr=sfp&fr2=sa-gp-search&iscqry=

      Now?One question:Who specifically perpetrated this "domestic attack"?

      It was Jesus.

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    • Anonymous

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      …and Monte Kiffin."The evidence is there.".

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    • Anonymous

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      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWPnKQeAImI

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    • Anonymous

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      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWPnKQeAImI

      Damn, and here I was thinking you returned to answer a simple question:  who did it? :-[

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    • Anonymous

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      I’ll take “Zionist Jews” for 600, Alex

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    • Anonymous

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      A rare sight.  Chronic being the voice of reason in a thread.

      What's that say about the OP? Yikes

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    • vlagatta

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      So I am mentally ill now? LOL you really slay me. Far be it from me to shake you out of your slumber - go back to sleep young grasshopper....I am sorry to have brought these horrendous facts into your CFR created paradigm ........http://www.cfr.org/https://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=AwrBT8pbzP5VKxUA2U6l87UF;_ylc=X1MDOTU4MTA0NjkEX3IDMgRmcgMEZ3ByaWQDSER3TmZoVkRUc0szbGV4X1dVbks2QQRuX3JzbHQDMARuX3N1Z2cDMQRvcmlnaW4Dc2VhcmNoLnlhaG9vLmNvbQRwb3MDMQRwcXN0cgNkb2VzIHRoZSBjZnIgaW5mdWVuY2UgYWxsIG1lZGlhIGluIGFtZXJpY2EEcHFzdHJsAzQyBHFzdHJsAzQzBHF1ZXJ5A2RvZXMgdGhlIGNmciBpbmZsdWVuY2UgYWxsIG1lZGlhIGluIGFtZXJpY2EEdF9zdG1wAzE0NDI3NjE3NDY-?p=does+the+cfr+influence+all+media+in+america&fr=sfp&fr2=sa-gp-search&iscqry=

      rotating-institution-(guardian).gifGUARENTEED THIS NUT STICK.....also thinks we never landed on the moon...... the correlation between mental illness and these truthers .......as mentioned above....with mental illness...is beyond excessive.

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    • Anonymous

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      Can’t wait to hear about the next One Truth topic…Chemtrails.

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    • Anonymous

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      He’s on a fishing trip with Jesus. He’ll be back soon.

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    • Anonymous

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      Blasphemy!

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    • Anonymous

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      Jesus just left ChicagoAnd He's bound for New Orleans

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    • Anonymous

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      Cyrus, who set the charges in Bldg 7?

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    • Anonymous

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      As far as I’m aware NIST has  never looked into explosives being involved. However, the NIST report on Bldg. 7 is suspect and some say not plausible.. I tend to agree. Molten metal is only one example.  The existence of molten metal (as confirmed in the FEMA report) which in the case of steel requires a temperature of 2700-2800 degrees to melt is not consistent w/ office fires. As NIST cites as the cause of the collapse. Nor is it consistent w/ the notion of charges used in typical demolition. Oddly enough the project leader of the NIST report, despite the FEMA report and tangible evidence is still trying to deny its existence. I would add that the ground temperature beneath where Bldg. 7 stood as reported by the USGS was 1340 degrees. Five days after the collapse. That must have been one hell of an office fire.

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    • Anonymous

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      As far as I'm aware NIST has  never looked into explosives being involved. However, the NIST report on Bldg. 7 is suspect and some say not plausible.. I tend to agree. Molten metal is only one example.  The existence of molten metal (as confirmed in the FEMA report) which in the case of steel requires a temperature of 2700-2800 degrees to melt is not consistent w/ office fires. As NIST cites as the cause of the collapse. Nor is it consistent w/ the notion of charges used in typical demolition. Oddly enough the project leader of the NIST report, despite the FEMA report and tangible evidence is still trying to deny its existence. I would add that the ground temperature beneath where Bldg. 7 stood as reported by the USGS was 1340 degrees. Five days after the collapse. That must have been one hell of an office fire.

      I will try one more time, though I know you will not provide a direct response (illustrating my point):Who was responsible for the collapse of Building 7?

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    • Anonymous

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      I’ve answered your question relating to your “charges ” theory. Now you are asking a different question. The first was relating to the science. Which I answered. The second is related to investigation, on Bldg. 7. Which I don’t know. So, now it’s my turn to ask you. What part of the criminal investigation impressed you most to come to whatever conclusions you hold?

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    • Anonymous

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      I've answered your question relating to your "charges " theory. Now you are asking a different question. The first was relating to the science. Which I answered. The second is related to investigation, on Bldg. 7. Which I don't know. So, now it's my turn to ask you. What part of the criminal investigation impressed you most to come to whatever conclusions you hold?

      Thank you for putting an exclamation point on the comment I originally directed to One Truth. Most conspiracy theories require a leap in logic that border on insanity.

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    • Anonymous

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      Then I suppose it’s the conspiracy theory you selected to believe that’s the exception to the rule then. Lucky break, you wouldn’t want to give people more reason to question your sanity.

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    • Anonymous

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      Then I suppose it's the conspiracy theory you selected to believe that's the exception to the rule then. Lucky break, you wouldn't want to give people more reason to question your sanity.

      Is that you answer to my question: who did it?Oh wait... Nope. Just more BSSo, more than a decade on and still no answer to the MOST OBVIOUS question necessitated by your theory: WHO DID IT?You've really thought this through, haven't you? Quite a SCIENTIFIC search for "the truth."

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    • Anonymous

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      Then I suppose it's the conspiracy theory you selected to believe that's the exception to the rule then. Lucky break, you wouldn't want to give people more reason to question your sanity.

      Is that you answer to my question: who did it?Oh wait... Nope. Just more BSSo, more than a decade on and still no answer to the MOST OBVIOUS question necessitated by your theory: WHO DID IT?You've really thought this through, haven't you? Quite a SCIENTIFIC search for "the truth."

      You're asking a lot of questions without providing any theories of your own.  Curious what your thoughts are on the information Cyrus provided in regards to the inconsistencies with the NIST report on building 7?  I'll go ahead and answer your question to Cyrus about "who".  It was the owner of the building, Larry Silverstein.  https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-jPzAakHPpk. (It's only 30 seconds)

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    • Anonymous

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      Then I suppose it's the conspiracy theory you selected to believe that's the exception to the rule then. Lucky break, you wouldn't want to give people more reason to question your sanity.

      Is that you answer to my question: who did it?Oh wait... Nope. Just more BSSo, more than a decade on and still no answer to the MOST OBVIOUS question necessitated by your theory: WHO DID IT?You've really thought this through, haven't you? Quite a SCIENTIFIC search for "the truth."

      You're asking a lot of questions without providing any theories of your own.  Curious what your thoughts are on the information Cyrus provided in regards to the inconsistencies with the NIST report on building 7?  I'll go ahead and answer your question to Cyrus about "who".  It was the owner of the building, Larry Silverstein.  https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-jPzAakHPpk. (It's only 30 seconds)

      Way to double down with another (debunked) conspiracy theory. That's the beauty of conspiracy theories ... You just fill in the gaps with more. But here, I will humor you a bit. Let's just put aside Silverstein's denial, clarification and the fact that he got the insurance money (ie the insurer didn't think he demolished the building, lol) and even one more in court (with no fraud defense, lol) .and he was talking to the fire department etc....put all of that aside ...Where's the evidence of human error or human guilt or human greed?In other words, even though more than a decade has passed no one has come forward with a photo or a video or audio inadvertently catching the other co-conspirators ... and all of the many that would be involved and not one has come forward? No insurance investigator to say "yeah, we paid it but we really thought he did it." No disgruntled former conspirator turning on his/her former colleagues ..or feeling guilty ... No former conspirator demanding funds to stay quiet ...none of those guys that actually "pulled" the building?Humans never do anything perfectly, least of all when many would have to be involved, and yet that's what all these crazy theories require.

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    • Anonymous

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      Right out of today’s news, this is what happens with real conspiracies:http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/10/politics/benghazi-committee-investigation-political-hillary-clinton-brad-podliska-lawsuit/index.htmlFormer insiders become disgruntled etc

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    • Anonymous

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      So in other words he’s doesn’t know anything about the criminal investigation into Building 7.. Nothing. He’s done no reading on the subject at all. The thrust of his argument is that the insurance paid it and that’s all that matters. Nothing about the conclusions from NIST, nothing about FEMA. I can give him pass on those but to not have anything on the investigation? This man’s supposed to be a lawyer?

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    • Anonymous

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      So in other words he's doesn't know anything about the criminal investigation into Building 7.. Nothing. He's done no reading on the subject at all. The thrust of his argument is that the insurance paid it and that's all that matters. Nothing about the conclusions from NIST, nothing about FEMA. I can give him pass on those but to not have anything on the investigation? This man's supposed to be a lawyer?

      Three words: WHO DID IT?Simplicity is the first rule and you are an "expert" on the subject, having spent countless hours on the subject, and yet you have been unable to credibly answer a simple, essential questionCyrus, if you look back in one of the gun threads to your conversation with DH, you will see your laughable autobiography. You post something like "I like to make sure that people think and font just offer lazy opinions" and then on another post ask for statistics and data to back up a point. Lol. What could be more lazy and unscientific then a theory that fails to account for the most basic and necessary building block (ie the alternate perpetrators)?Now, you're not "lazy" because clearly you've spent s lot of time on this issue, so what is it? What makes you and One Truthbchase further down the rabbit hole even though you must at least be aware of the GLARING gap in the theory? I am genuinely curious.

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    • Anonymous

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      Right out of today's news, this is what happens with real conspiracies:http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/10/politics/benghazi-committee-investigation-political-hillary-clinton-brad-podliska-lawsuit/index.htmlFormer insiders become disgruntled etc

      Again, this is what actually happens to conspiracies in the REAL world and yet there are those who think we never landed on the moon, the President told the Japanese to bomb PH, there was a guy from the military industrial complex on the grassy knoll ...., and an OMNISCIENT business man who bought a building because he intended to "pull" it down .....

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    • Anonymous

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      So in other words he's doesn't know anything about the criminal investigation into Building 7.. Nothing. He's done no reading on the subject at all. The thrust of his argument is that the insurance paid it and that's all that matters. Nothing about the conclusions from NIST, nothing about FEMA. I can give him pass on those but to not have anything on the investigation? This man's supposed to be a lawyer?

      Three words: WHO DID IT?

      That's what we are asking you. Rhetoric isn't going to save you.What does the 9/11 commission report say about Bldg 7. We are relying on you for this. Can you at least tell us that?

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    • Anonymous

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      So in other words he's doesn't know anything about the criminal investigation into Building 7.. Nothing. He's done no reading on the subject at all. The thrust of his argument is that the insurance paid it and that's all that matters. Nothing about the conclusions from NIST, nothing about FEMA. I can give him pass on those but to not have anything on the investigation? This man's supposed to be a lawyer?

      Three words: WHO DID IT?

      That's what we are asking you. Rhetoric isn't going to save you.What does the 9/11 commission report say about Bldg 7. We are relying on you for this. Can you at least tell us that?

      Lol. Right, so you don't have an answer. You're the expert and you're asking me to answer a fundamental question for you. Very scientific process you and One Truth have engaged in, testing and retesting your theory .... Oh wait, scratch that. Never mind.

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    • Anonymous

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      The bottom line here is you simply have no knowledge on the subject. Just admit it. Everyone can see it.Cite one conclusion from the 9/11 commission report or the criminal investigation on Bldg 7. Just one.

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    • Anonymous

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      How’s that Google search working out for you?

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    • Anonymous

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      The bottom line here is you simply have no knowledge on the subject. Just admit it. Everyone can see it.Cite one conclusion from the 9/11 commission report or the criminal investigation on Bldg 7. Just one.

      Haha. I am no expert that's for sure and yet I thought of an obvious and fundamental question you can not even address. So, more BS. Here's a secret for you and One Truth: it was the Illuminati. But keep that between us. ;-)

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    • Anonymous

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      It’s all good as long as I answer your questions, isn’t it? I’ve answered your questions, it’s all there. Anyone can see it. McDoug noted it.But you can't answer one simple question?One?Would you like me to give you the answer to the single question I've asked you?

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    • Anonymous

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      NIST claims this collapse was caused by office fire.wtc7collapse.gifwtc7-penthouse-kink.gif

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    • Anonymous

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      You’re the expert. I am sure the first perfect human conspiracy will crack at some point … And justice  will finally be served.

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    • Anonymous

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      So in other words he's doesn't know anything about the criminal investigation into Building 7.. Nothing. He's done no reading on the subject at all. The thrust of his argument is that the insurance paid it and that's all that matters. Nothing about the conclusions from NIST, nothing about FEMA. I can give him pass on those but to not have anything on the investigation? This man's supposed to be a lawyer?

      Three words: WHO DID IT?

      That's what we are asking you. Rhetoric isn't going to save you.What does the 9/11 commission report say about Bldg 7. We are relying on you for this. Can you at least tell us that?

      Lol. Right, so you don't have an answer. You're the expert and you're asking me to answer a fundamental question for you. Very scientific process you and One Truth have engaged in, testing and retesting your theory .... Oh wait, scratch that. Never mind.

      This is how I know you don't actually have a background in science or the scientific method.In science, you start with an open-ended hypothetical question.  Then you gather what evidence is available to you and you work to disprove that question.  In science you are never making statements about absolutes.  You never say "we are for 100% sure this is the way it happens".  You say things like "The data leads to the conclusion, with a confidence of X%, that this may happen under the given conditions."AND THEN based on that "could be the way things work" idea, you're free to speculate on its impact.That's why a scientific paper, which is the format that all science is built upon, moves as the following:Intro: (the reason you studied this, and what the surrounding literature says and what points to your idea)Methods: (What you did to study it, explained so other people can repeat it)Results: (what happened in the study, and the interpretation of your data)DISCUSSION: (this is where you make more abstract claims about what your results could mean, this is not the part of the paper that defines the occurances of the results.  The results are the results, regardless of where you decide to try to relate them to the big picture).  This part comes after the meat of your project and is more geared towards helping provide significance of your research or to give others ideas of where to continue researchingConclusion:(Summarize)Don't you see that you're here trying to squeeze a "discussion" section out of Cyrus without any regards to the actual data of the experiment, and without providing any ideas of your own?  Don't you see how counter intuitive that is?If you would actually examine the data (e.g. building 7 falling at free fall speed within its own footprint), then you are free to come up with your own "discussion" section.  Now if you want to actually have a conversation about eachother's formed "discussion" sections of our studies, which I don't think you actually do (for some reason), then we can proceed with that.  But you at least have to bring a "discussion" section of your own to the table, you can't just sit there and name call and slander.  That may be how you do things in your profession, but its not how we do it in mine

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    • Anonymous

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      Also, I’ll start, to get the ball rolling, and we can go from there with a series of simple questions:When WTC Building 7 fell on 9/11, what was your interpretation?a) That the building had burned so much office material for too long and the whole thing gave out and just collapsedb) That the building collapse displayed too many signs of a controlled demolition from a physics standpoint (e.g. falling at free fall speed, falling top-down entirely within its own footprint, in completely uniformity) and combined with the circumstantial evidence available (e.g. fire-fighters saying "Get back, they're about to "pull it", the building owner saying they "pulled it"), I need to ask more questions to satisfy my understanding, such as:(we'll continue with the next question and set of interpretations once we get on the same page, or we can dispute these two nterpretations and come up with an option c), if you'd like, before moving forward)

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    • Anonymous

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      So, that long (and ironic) lecture on scientific method but no credible answer as to WHO DID IT?  Lol, shocking. Look, let me make it easy for you. In that blizzard of nonsense, you posted this little snowflake:

      the circumstantial evidence available (e.g. fire-fighters saying "Get back, they're about to "pull it", the building owner saying they "pulled it")

      So with the numerous criminal and civil and governmental investigations that inevitably followed this event, why do you use the generic (plural) term "fire-fighters," who presumably spoke, and the pronoun "they" to describe the group of people that you claim told the same fire-fighters they were going to "pull" the building, which you take to mean intentionally topple.  Certainly with an event of this magnitude and a conspiracy like this all of those "fire-fighters" would be known and would have provided testimony UNDER OATH and the "they" would be known (and some would've likely flipped). You even left out that the building owner denies your crazy theory (and so do his insurers) as does the representatives of the building owner etc. So what does it tell us about your credibility and the credibility of your so-called scientific process when so many CRITICAL facts are ignored? Lecture on about science, but it only takes common sense and real world experience to see the HUGE logical leap one has to take to support these crazy conspiracy theories

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    • Anonymous

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      Lol its like talking to a kid.  “Blizzard of nonsense”? you took a paragraph to debate my use of a pronoun?  what a waste.  Take a moment to actually read and digest what I typed.  I know you just scanned it in 5 seconds, isolated one meaningless syntax issue, and continued on with the insults… what’s the point of that?If you're still interested in talking about our respective interpretations of the events of that day, the offer still standsOtherwise this is a waste of time if you're just going to jump to the "loony conspiracy" insult crap

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    • Anonymous

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      Lol its like talking to a kid.  "Blizzard of nonsense"? you took a paragraph to debate my use of a pronoun?  what a waste.  Take a moment to actually read and digest what I typed.  I know you just scanned it in 5 seconds, isolated one meaningless syntax issue, and continued on with the insults... what's the point of that?If you're still interested in talking about our respective interpretations of the events of that day, the offer still standsOtherwise this is a waste of time if you're just going to jump to the "loony conspiracy" insult crap

      I agree it is a waste of time if the collective body of work generated over the last decade by conspiracy theorists cannot credibly answer the most fundamental fact required to have a conspiracy: who did it?So far, you've lectured me on the scientific process and you've said it was the owner of Building 7. Is that what you've got? No need for a blizzard where a "yes" or "no" will suffice.

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    • Anonymous

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      I read all of that hoping to finally find out who was responsible for 9/11….Will someone spill the beans already...

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      I read all of that hoping to finally find out who was responsible for 9/11....Will someone spill the beans already...

      jameis winston

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    • Anonymous

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      This short list of possible suspects was submitted to the State Dept. immediately after the collapse.Shaif HirboushAl-Suq AkweerMustaf Herod Apyur PouprAwan Afuqya.. Yul Strokheet Al-WauchApul Madeek Yuliqa M'Diq, A.K.A. Uwana M'Diq, A.K.A. Usuqa M'Diq.Hope this helps.  ;)

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      This short list of possible suspects was submitted to the State Dept. immediately after the collapse.Shaif HirboushAl-Suq AkweerMustaf Herod Apyur PouprAwan Afuqya.. Yul Strokheet Al-WauchApul Madeek Yuliqa M'Diq, A.K.A. Uwana M'Diq, A.K.A. Usuqa M'Diq.Hope this helps.  ;)

      LOL!!!!!!!

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      Help me to open my sheepish eyes….I need the names that were not officially “submitted”.

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      Lmfao cyrus

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    • Teachersue

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      There are very few people more disgusting than those trying perpetuate myths about the worst tragedy in our country’s history. You don’t deserve to live in this great country you stupid, ignorant fuck.

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      Then I suppose it's the conspiracy theory you selected to believe that's the exception to the rule then. Lucky break, you wouldn't want to give people more reason to question your sanity.

      Is that you answer to my question: who did it?Oh wait... Nope. Just more BSSo, more than a decade on and still no answer to the MOST OBVIOUS question necessitated by your theory: WHO DID IT?You've really thought this through, haven't you? Quite a SCIENTIFIC search for "the truth."

      You're asking a lot of questions without providing any theories of your own.  Curious what your thoughts are on the information Cyrus provided in regards to the inconsistencies with the NIST report on building 7?  I'll go ahead and answer your question to Cyrus about "who".  It was the owner of the building, Larry Silverstein.  https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-jPzAakHPpk. (It's only 30 seconds)

      Way to double down with another (debunked) conspiracy theory. That's the beauty of conspiracy theories ... You just fill in the gaps with more. But here, I will humor you a bit. Let's just put aside Silverstein's denial, clarification and the fact that he got the insurance money (ie the insurer didn't think he demolished the building, lol) and even one more in court (with no fraud defense, lol) .and he was talking to the fire department etc....put all of that aside ...Where's the evidence of human error or human guilt or human greed?In other words, even though more than a decade has passed no one has come forward with a photo or a video or audio inadvertently catching the other co-conspirators ... and all of the many that would be involved and not one has come forward? No insurance investigator to say "yeah, we paid it but we really thought he did it." No disgruntled former conspirator turning on his/her former colleagues ..or feeling guilty ... No former conspirator demanding funds to stay quiet ...none of those guys that actually "pulled" the building?Humans never do anything perfectly, least of all when many would have to be involved, and yet that's what all these crazy theories require.

      Are you suggesting governments and other groups do not cover up large scale criminal activities successfully over long periods of time?  Do we need to go into the laundry list of cover up/conspiracies just our government has kept secret for decades?I have yet to see a plausible explanation for the specific topic of moltan steel and extreme temperatures under building 7.  It is my understanding that documented fact is basically ignored by official reports.

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      There are very few people more disgusting than those trying perpetuate myths about the worst tragedy in our country's history. You don't deserve to live in this great country you stupid, ignorant (censored).

      Agreed, those people behind the attack, or those that were complacent in the prevention of the attack, and those that have purposefully misled the public about the reality of the events of that day should rot in hell.

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      Then I suppose it's the conspiracy theory you selected to believe that's the exception to the rule then. Lucky break, you wouldn't want to give people more reason to question your sanity.

      Is that you answer to my question: who did it?Oh wait... Nope. Just more BSSo, more than a decade on and still no answer to the MOST OBVIOUS question necessitated by your theory: WHO DID IT?You've really thought this through, haven't you? Quite a SCIENTIFIC search for "the truth."

      You're asking a lot of questions without providing any theories of your own.  Curious what your thoughts are on the information Cyrus provided in regards to the inconsistencies with the NIST report on building 7?  I'll go ahead and answer your question to Cyrus about "who".  It was the owner of the building, Larry Silverstein.  https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-jPzAakHPpk. (It's only 30 seconds)

      Way to double down with another (debunked) conspiracy theory. That's the beauty of conspiracy theories ... You just fill in the gaps with more. But here, I will humor you a bit. Let's just put aside Silverstein's denial, clarification and the fact that he got the insurance money (ie the insurer didn't think he demolished the building, lol) and even one more in court (with no fraud defense, lol) .and he was talking to the fire department etc....put all of that aside ...Where's the evidence of human error or human guilt or human greed?In other words, even though more than a decade has passed no one has come forward with a photo or a video or audio inadvertently catching the other co-conspirators ... and all of the many that would be involved and not one has come forward? No insurance investigator to say "yeah, we paid it but we really thought he did it." No disgruntled former conspirator turning on his/her former colleagues ..or feeling guilty ... No former conspirator demanding funds to stay quiet ...none of those guys that actually "pulled" the building?Humans never do anything perfectly, least of all when many would have to be involved, and yet that's what all these crazy theories require.

      Are you suggesting governments and other groups do not cover up large scale criminal activities successfully over long periods of time?  Do we need to go into the laundry list of cover up/conspiracies just our government has kept secret for decades?

      the "government and other groups"I am stating that it is absurd to think that multiple unrelated groups, groups that are actually at odds with each other in some instances, would all SUCCESSFULLY conspire together for more than a decade . .  without any human error or anyone ever giving up the "big secret" to believe the absurd notion that a building owner instructed several government entities -- during the midst of a huge crisis -- to stop everything they were doing and INTENTIONALLY DOWN one of his buildings  . . . for insurance money, you would have to believe, amongst many absurd things:1) that the building owner was omniscient, that he bought the buildings knowing 9/11 was coming;2) that a fire captain worked in concert with unknown demolition crews who made their way undetected through one of the worst disasters in history just to HELP  a business owner commit insurance fraud(let me know when I can stop -- lol)3) that none of those people was ever caught, no one slipped up a and mentioned to a wife or girlfriend who then left them . . no extortion plots . .  no human overcome with guilt4) that no investigator (and there have been many, government, insurance, civil) was EVER ABLE TO get ONE OF THOSE FIREFIGHTERS OR DEMO GUYS OR EVEN AN EMPLOYEE OF THE OWNER WHO committed "insurance fraud' to testify under oath about this grand conspiracy?5) that no conspiracy theorist (and there are many) was ever able to uncover DIRECT evidence of this nefarious plotThere are many more absurd things one would have to accept to believe that absurd conspiracy theory OR . . . . .You could just believe the owner and the fire fighters who say "pull" meant to not try to stop the fire.# # #oh man . . .. what's that "razor" thing people always quote?

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      Do the “well who did it then” people also believe that Oswald alone killed JFK, and Ruby in turn acted alone killing Oswald?  Do we have to know all the participants to believe we were not given the whole truth of that assassination?"Bodyguard of Lies" published in 1975 by Anthony Cave Brown is a fascinating look at the Allied deception campaign against the Axis powers during WWII.  Great book, great nonfiction read.  It details the brilliance we drew into the shadows.  The genius of how we misdirected Germany and Japan should leave little doubt about our government's tremendous ability to hide the truth.  As well as their ability to keep it hidden when desired.

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    • Anonymous

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      There are very few people more disgusting than those trying perpetuate myths about the worst tragedy in our country's history. You don't deserve to live in this great country you stupid, ignorant (censored).

      Agreed, 1) those people behind the attack, 2)  or those that were complacent in the prevention of the attack, and, 3) those that have purposefully misled the public about the reality of the events of that day should rot in hell.

      you've obviously spent a lot of time on the subject and are very passionate about it. Can you credibly identify any people that actually fall into those three groups?after that can you explain how those three disparate groups have managed to keep it all silent for more than decade?As one example, a former Republican staffer now disgruntled after being terminated came out and said that the Clinton investigation was a sham.  Not a single person in those three large groups has had a similar experience? They are all perfectly fat and happy?

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    • Anonymous

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      Do the "well who did it then" people also believe that Oswald alone killed JFK, and Ruby in turn acted alone killing Oswald?  Do we have to know all the participants to believe we were not given the whole truth of that assassination?"Bodyguard of Lies" published in 1975 by Anthony Cave Brown is a fascinating look at the Allied deception campaign against the Axis powers during WWII.  Great book, great nonfiction read.  It details the brilliance we drew into the shadows.  The genius of how we misdirected Germany and Japan should leave little doubt about our government's tremendous ability to hide the truth.  As well as their ability to keep it hidden when desired.

      your defense of the current discussed conspiracy theory is another conspiracy theory?there is an obvious difference between your second paragraph and the theory we are discussing now, but if you don't see that so be it.

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      Explain.The men involved in those deception campaigns are heroes.  Their involvement in the defeat of Germany in particular was vital.  They should have been celebrated for their work.  Yet they kept the programs/techniques secret for decades, as well as their participation in them.  For nothing but the sake of secrecy.Do you believe that the official story of the Kennedy assassination to be the whole truth?

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      Lol its like talking to a kid.

      It's why many of the long-time posters don't post in the Cove any more.  That insufferable dipshit has made it almost impossible for any honest debate.And he's cheesy as hell to boot (Not Sarcasm...)

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      Explain.The men involved in those deception campaigns are heroes.  Their involvement in the defeat of Germany in particular was vital.  They should have been celebrated for their work.  Yet they kept the programs/techniques secret for decades, as well as their participation in them.  For nothing but the sake of secrecy.

      look, those are all people united  and motivated by a noble cause against a universally despised enemy in a matter that would never be investigated except to praise them many years after.  What is being discussed here is the notion that a bunch of unrelated entities with vastly different motivations would all be able and motivated to maintain the complete secrecy that it would take to have none of this get out. . .  even after it has been investigated ad nauseum by many different groups with entirely different motivationsIf you don't see the disconnect, so be it.On Kennedy, do we know EVERY fact . . . no.  Did LHO kill Kennedy . .  yes.  Was it some grand conspiracy of the "military industrial complex" . .. .  bwhahaha, no. 

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      Explain.The men involved in those deception campaigns are heroes.  Their involvement in the defeat of Germany in particular was vital.  They should have been celebrated for their work.  Yet they kept the programs/techniques secret for decades, as well as their participation in them.  For nothing but the sake of secrecy.

      look, those are all people united  and motivated by a noble cause against a universally despised enemy in a matter that would never be investigated except to praise them many years after.  What is being discussed here is the notion that a bunch of unrelated entities with vastly different motivations would all be able and motivated to maintain the complete secrecy that it would take to have none of this get out. . .  even after it has been investigated ad nauseum by many different groups with entirely different motivationsIf you don't see the disconnect, so be it.On Kennedy, do we know EVERY fact . . . no.  Did LHO kill Kennedy . .  yes.  Was it some grand conspiracy of the "military industrial complex" . .. .  bwhahaha, no.

      That is precisely my point.  Noble exceptionalism was kept secret.  Which would prove that secrets can be kept by fairly large groups of people.  How much greater the motivation to keep secret nefarious infamy?How long was Tuskegee ongoing before the whistle was blown?  30 years?  40?  How many were involved in that program?  Or MK-ULTRA?  20 years?  We have multiple documented examples of evil programs of significant size/scope that many kept quiet on for decades.  With the single leak blowing the lid off.  Yet you would maintain the ones that have been exposed as fact are the only such examples?Back to the WWII example, it was investigated by a significantly greater journalism profession than what would be investigating current stories imo.  None of that information was offered/announced.  We know of them because FOI and professional investigative journalism.

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      Explain.The men involved in those deception campaigns are heroes.  Their involvement in the defeat of Germany in particular was vital.  They should have been celebrated for their work.  Yet they kept the programs/techniques secret for decades, as well as their participation in them.  For nothing but the sake of secrecy.

      look, those are all people united  and motivated by a noble cause against a universally despised enemy in a matter that would never be investigated except to praise them many years after.  What is being discussed here is the notion that a bunch of unrelated entities with vastly different motivations would all be able and motivated to maintain the complete secrecy that it would take to have none of this get out. . .  even after it has been investigated ad nauseum by many different groups with entirely different motivationsIf you don't see the disconnect, so be it.On Kennedy, do we know EVERY fact . . . no.  Did LHO kill Kennedy . .  yes.  Was it some grand conspiracy of the "military industrial complex" . .. .  bwhahaha, no.

      That is precisely my point.  Noble exceptionalism was kept secret.  Which would prove that secrets can be kept by fairly large groups of people.  How much greater the motivation to keep secret nefarious infamy?

      This is a little absurd, so I will leave you with this thought.  You are fireman in and around Building 7 on 9/11. Like all fireman you have a radio and you have eyes.  You certainly did not come to work that day expecting to see Building 7 INTENTIONALLY torn down, but that is what you think you hear on the radio and see with your own eyes (if you were leaving the building you'd probably see the kind of manpower it would take to intentionally down the building).  What was your motivation for being part of the cabal that day and what's your motivation for staying quiet about it after?(for the record, it was difficult to even type that, its so absurd)Lastly, if the standard is "it could have happened" then anything is possible and you're not actually searching for the truth. Many things are possible. Its possible the moon landings were staged in Area 51.  Is it probable that it was staged AND no one has come forward to say "yeah, I was part of that?" is it probably that astronauts died in the Apollo missions . . for a hoax  . .  and no one has said it was a hoax?

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      Thousands of astronauts have died in relation to the “moon landings”…- Alex Jones

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    • Teachersue

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      There are very few people more disgusting than those trying perpetuate myths about the worst tragedy in our country's history. You don't deserve to live in this great country you stupid, ignorant (censored).

      Agreed, those people behind the attack, or those that were complacent in the prevention of the attack, and those that have purposefully misled the public about the reality of the events of that day should rot in hell.

      All you can do is hope natural selection picks off all of the truthers before they can reproduce. If they're fucking idiotic enough to actually believe the shit that they're spewing, there's not a chance in hell that they can be reasoned with.

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      1.3 million views – Best 9-11 video I have seen yet.

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    • Anonymous

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      Nope, still don’t get it

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    • Anonymous

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      The video explaining that the secret reptilian society was behind 9/11 was much much better.

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    • Anonymous

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      Nope, still don't get it

      ================================================why am I not suprised?

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    • Anonymous

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      Nope, still don't get it

      ================================================why am I not suprised?

      Because you do get it?Lol

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    • Anonymous

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      It’s simple vin….Red or blue pill?

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