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    • Nobody

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      Hated the offensive gameplan/play-calling outside of the abundance of 6 and 7 man protections.

      Way too much 2nd and long due to 1st down runs.

      Not remotely enough play-action.

      3rd and 1 shot.

      That needs to not happen next week.

      But this review and NFCCG Preview is going to be about the defense. Bowles set these guys up to do what they do well by eschewing the 4d chess for an overwhelming dose of what they do well. 2 Deep…Press Man Under. And the guys rewarded him for it. Devin White, LVD, SMB, CD3, AWJ, Dean. All played great. 4 Forced Turnovers. Michael Thomas – YOU GET_NOTHING! YOU LOSE. GOOD DAY SIR!

      Going to look at all the plays made by all the guys and all the defensive play calls (going to be a lot of Press 2 Man!)!

      Then I’m going to check out what we did against the Packers in Q2-Q4 to shut down Rodgers et al.

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    • Lawdy

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      looking forward to your excellent analysis as always

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    • Nobody

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      I was asked why I think Bowles Off Zone calls have proliferated so much. I’m pretty sure I’ve said it before, but here are my thoughts:

      Its almost surely the premium he puts on stopping the run.

      Vea goes out and he wants to devote more assets to the run game because Vea isn’t destroying the A gaps, keeping ILBs clean, and forcing the ball to declare to help.

      Off Zone lets the DBs support the run more easily.

      Quarters let the Safeties insert against the run more easily.

      Cover 2 Zone gets the CBs involved in support.

      ++++++++++++++++++

      On Press Man coverage (and confidence):

      Its not just (a) these guys are better at Man than they are in Zone and that (b) the way to beat the Saints specifically is an abundance of Press 2 Man Under.

      Its also that (c) when your neurological system and your body is constantly activated like it is when you’re playing Man so much…the knock-on effect is that you start playing Zone better (and they had a few really good Zone Coverage Snaps tonight as well). You’re not flat-footed (both mentally and physically). Your feet and mind are more active in Zone. You’re anticipating and breaking on routes and balls rather than processing slowly, covering grass, and just making tackles after the catch.

      And you absolutely saw that in a few snaps in Zone tonight (where Zone defenders were anticipating and converging on routes to challenge at the catch window).

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    • Detrimental

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      White coverage tonight was outstanding. He was getting pressure causing havoc and making plays in coverage. He did it all against Brees which is not easy to do. Great team effort overall Dean, SMB, and Davis all made plays. Look forward to the breakdown

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    • Nobody

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      Alright, going to start breaking down the GB Defensive performance at the point of the turnaround:

      The drive at the end of the 1st Q that ended with Dean’s Pick 6.

      Historically so much focus has been on 3rd down offense and defense. However, 1st down efficiency (on either side of the ball) has been increasing in terms of evaluating performance trends. This is another reason why its so important to Pass on 1st down (and why the best offenses are always 55+ % minimum…typically 58-63 %) where EPA is much higher than Running the Football. Simply put:

      If you’re efficient on 1st down, your odds of even SEEING a 3rd down decreases. And if you’re efficient on 1st down, your EPA on 2nd down increases. And if you’re efficient on 1st down, your odds of SUCCESS on 3rd down increases.

      GB was the #1 DVOA Offense in the NFL w/ KC on their tails. GB was nearly 59 % Efficient on 1st down w/ KC just a hair south of that that.

      How were we on 1st Down defense in that GB game (starting with the 1st and 10 Play Win for our Defense in the drive that turned it around)?

      [b]GB was only 4/14 in 1st Down Efficiency![/b] That is crazy good. [b]28.6 % efficient compared to their 59 % Efficiency on the year![/b]

      Let’s take a closer look at those 14 plays.

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    • Nobody

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      First 5 (WIN/LOSS is us, not GB)

      [b]1ST & 10 AT GB 22(13:07)
      (13:07) A.Rodgers pass incomplete short right to A.Jones.[/b]

      They run Jet motion right, fake the Sweep, fake the Man run the other way. We’re in Tampa 2 w/ NCB (SMB) blitz off the RDE. JPP (4T) and Barrett (7T) are on the Jet Sweep side, read their run keys first, and then both do a great job of bull rushing their man and staying in their rush lanes so SMB’s blitz can hopefully get home. Good blitz pick-up by RB, but the Pressure by all 3 of these forces a pocket escape attempt right and a throw-away. Everyone is covering up great behind.

      [b]WIN[/b] [b]1ST & 10 AT GB 25(12:42)
      (12:42) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass short right to A.Jones pushed ob at GB 32 for 7 yards (A.Winfield).[/b]

      This is technically a play loss for us, but Winfield’s great play limited what could have been an explosive play to only 7 yards (which would turn into a 3 and out downstream). Big play by Winfield.

      We’re in 2 Deep and Winfield, SMB (Nickel), and Dean are the DBs over there. They motion the RB late hard to that side from Shotgun. At the snap SMB is blitzing off the Slot. This is one of the few plays where Bowles dialed up a loser. This play was taylor made for them to get a huge chunk. The boundary WR wins big against Dean (Off coverage). The question is whether Winfield can (a) diagnose quickly enough, (b) beat the Slot’s block (who has play-side leverage on him) and (c) somehow make the play or turn it back inside to the pursuing LVD.

      He does all 3 of those things except (c)…he actually makes the tackle! Huge play by Winfield whose severity isn’t realized in the broadcast view or at the time.

      [b]LOSS[/b] [b]1ST & 10 AT GB 25(11:02)
      (11:02) A.Rodgers pass deep left to A.Jones pushed ob at GB 48 for 23 yards (C.Davis). Tampa Bay challenged the pass completion ruling, and the play was REVERSED. A.Rodgers pass incomplete deep left to A.Jones (C.Davis).[/b]

      We’re in C3Z on a 2 man route off of play-action max protect. Its a Wheel under a Vert. LVD actually with the loss here and he knows it immediately. Flat has to match the 2nd vert (in this case the Wheel) in C3Z and LVD gets caught peeking a little bit and realizes it immediately. This sort of “make up” can only happen in a quiet stadium. You can see LVD call out to CD3 (who has the boundary vert) and point to the Wheel. CD3 amazingly comes off of it and makes the Pass Breakup on that Wheel on the sideline. CD3 is playing Bail so I doubt he sees the Wheel. He had to have heard LVD. He speed turns and somehow makes the play.

      [b]WIN[/b] [b]1ST & 10 AT GB 25(04:35)
      (4:35) A.Jones left tackle to GB 32 for 7 yards (A.Nelson).[/b]

      They’re Strong Left w/ Bunch but outside WR goes Jet Motion Weak and they run Outside Zone Strong away from that motion w/ the Wing coming under the formation to kick out the backside unblocked Edge (Barrett). But both the Jet Action and the Wing coming under the formation to kick out the backside Edge are just set-dressing meant to influence White (backside ILB), Nacho (NT), and LVD (playside ILB). Nacho and White are both influenced by this action (they’re play-side A and backside A). Nacho steps down toward backside A (he’s aligned in playside A) and White takes the cheese entirely and starts working toward the perimeter away from the actual Outside Zone run. So both A gaps are fubar now.

      LVD and Nelson are playside B and C and they’re working a Slant (Nelson is 6T and he’s trying to come across the face of the LT to B and LVD is Scraping off of him to C – basically replacing each other in alignment). The problem is, this Slant and Scrape literally plays right into their Outside Zone set up. Nelson caves himself down so the Reach block is performed with no effort which = trivial 2nd level climb to LVD.

      The other WR kicks out Whitehead (Force defender) and the RB basically runs right up the B/C hole here that is naturally created by all of these things. Easy 7.

      [b]LOSS[/b] [b]1ST & 10 AT GB 25(01:02)
      (1:02) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass incomplete short left to D.Adams.[/b]

      They’re 3×2 (Trips Right) and we’re running 3 Zone but we’re replacing the the Left Edge (Barrett is dropping to Seam/Hook) w/ White on the other side (rushing B gap there) and rotating LVD over to replace White’s Seam/Hook coverage on that side.

      White times this up beautifully and it ends up creating a situation where the pick-up on him by the LT/LG opens up JPP as entirely unblocked. White’s violence here actually puts a dent into the B gap here as well. Rodgers has already been under a ton of Pressure and he’s antsy. He and Adams do a decent job here reading Hot and Adams Hitches up (replacing White) before LVD can get fully over there. However, LVD’s rotation is coming hard and its going to be close so Rodgers tries to put the ball out of danger out of that rotation (low and away). His throwing platform is fubar and he gets rid of the ball quicker than he needed to (surely because of all of the prior Pressure and JPP being free). JPP actually almost bats down the pass at the LoS. But the throw to Adams is really errant because of all of these things (well low and away from LVD and out of reach).

      [b]WIN[/b]

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    • Mic

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      After watching through Green bays offense the pass 6 games and their tendencies, it makes so much since why we were able to shut them down. They run their passing game offense through Davante Adams he is the mismatch they look for when its man, and when its zone they try to get guys peeking up front to hit the guy behind them.

      1.First things first no EASY yards when they boot leg or play action there is consistently an outlet pass to the flat with an intermediate throw crossing and a deep post. Our Lb’s/Safeties need to be aware of who their man is and not let them be able to be beaten to the flats always play rodgers and the flat do not chase rodgers or he hits the easy dumpoff for yards. They run that bootleg play action so much and so much easy yards is given to the flats when lbs get lost. They want you in cover 2 to beat you deep

      So heres the thing why don’t you just play cover 2 to catch the flats and pick it off? Teams do switch off into this coverage when they are getting burned by the flats from dumb LB play but here’s the thing once Lafleur recognizes cover two he is gonna scheme a guy open putting pressure on your safeties to pick and choose which leads to the big play.
      2. Other tendencies they have is, once they recognize it is man they will put Adams in the slot to get the mismatch. GB loves their slants, outs, and pivots by Adams to get keep the chains moving. What we did so well last game was able to press him throw off the timing and use our long arms to deflect the slants. Adams is the man beater for their team Adams must be shutdown to give A-rod a long day.
      How do we do this. Press him…. no not full out press and expose yourself to get beat but get a hand on him push him do some tugging like we did today vs the saints, enough of that and it gets into the qbs brain that it is not there and by that time his timing is off and its a broken play. Clean releases will be the death of you when you are covering Adams and his footwork in man. One more thing Adams in the slot on 3rd and short(3-5yds) 90%(im only saying 90 because I haven’t looked through all the games) it is not going over the top but is going to be a slant/out flat hitter. If he rolls out immediately rush to the flats and beat adams to the spot on his out route and take that pick six to the house

      3. This GB offense loves the edges of the defense which is probably why they did so well vs New Orleans they attacked them right at their weakness. Know that guys will be near the sideline all game if you are a flat defender in zone PLEASE KNOW WHATS BEHIND YOU they love to have their guys sneak behind you and have A-ROD make the throw only 3-4 guys I know in this league can make right now.

      4. Don’t be afraid to send the rush, our corners played really well this last game, and if they can repeat it we are going to the superbowl. That Greebay offense doesn’t have a receiver outside of Adams who can consistently win man coverage. Please give those cbs or Davis a cutup of Adams and his route tree in different down and distances this will give them a heads up of what to expect where he lines up and what hes gonna do. He for sure has a role.

      5. Goal to go at the 1-2yard line. Adams motion hit the flat, corners need to call the switch when they see him motion

      6. Early on Round 1 vs Gb carlton davis played outside, off coverage against a trips formation or bunch formation and they had a mesh concept to get the scheme the outside wr open to go underneath all the traffic making it easy 10 yard gains. </p>
      <p>Cover 1 or qb spy is the answer and have d white roam that middle watch those short drag routes, while spying Rodgers.

      Just some concepts and tendencies I think can work against the Packers, but if a casual like me can notice this, it needs to be stopped.

      Shut down Adams shut down the run, they have no where to go. The games where we press and make the qbs make the difficult throws like we saw today is how we succeed as a defense. It makes life hell for these qbs without wide receivers. Keep a guy like Rodgers in the pocket to not be able to create take away his targets he will be flustered just like our first meeting.

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    • rmiller14

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      Excited to see what you find from the Saints game. It seemed like what zone we played still worked pretty well.

      I did notice that we matched up Cockrell on Kamara on a handful of reps (as opposed to White or LVD), and I don’t think he ever got beat in those situations, but it’s hard to tell from the broadcast. Still was surprised we matched him up like that!

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    • Nobody

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      Really great post @Mic .

      Great contributions! Thanks!


      @rmiller14
      , Cockrell has played way above my expectations in his snaps to date. The TD he gave up on the Wheel was good coverage. He just has to be aware at the catch point and get his hand into the catch window. He was right there in position for the PBU.

      I’m not sure if/how many snaps he saw against Kamara, but it will be clear soon enough.

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    • m_j

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      3 and short playcall was awful, still can’t believe that one

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    • Nobody

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      This 1st down snap didn’t count as an actual snap (if it did, it would be yet another LOSS for GB), but I’m going to include it because (a) the penalty has nothing to do with the actual play and (b) its very relevant to how we win this game.

      [b]1ST & 10 AT GB 39(00:34)
      (:34) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass incomplete short right [N.Suh]. Penalty on GB-A.Rodgers, Intentional Grounding, offsetting, enforced at GB 39 – No Play. Penalty on TB-N.Suh, Unnecessary Roughness, offsetting.[/b]

      They’re 3×1 (Trips Right). We do a lot of stuff here. We show 2 Deep at the snap. CD3 is Tight (not Press) over the Single and SMB and Dean are both Off on the Slot and Wide on the Trips side. Winfield rolls down to High Hole while SMB replaces him in Deep Half for an inverted Tampa 2 Zone look (we like variations of this). Dean is playing 2 Read rules as he matches the vert he gets out there. Meanwhile, White fakes coming B gap from the 2nd level right side and loops over top of the iDL Slanting toward the B gap he faked going into. Barrett drops to Curl/Flat on the other side.

      The 2nd level Slant/Blitz w/ Ledbetter and White works as the C and RG can’t recover in time to pick up White’s blitz (honestly, should have been a Hold on the C…no call). White flushes Rodger’s to Suh (6T left side), who has lost his Pass Rush Snap, and this creates Rodgers trying to get the ball back to the line of scrimmage to avoid the Sack. He can’t get it there and its IG, but they call Suh for RtP.

      The backend handles the 4 vert concept very well (really good job by Barrett here, who had a tough drop, getting to landmark and preventing a quick throw to the Slot).

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    • Nobody

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      And the final 1st Down Snap before the end of the half.

      [b]1ST & 10 AT GB 39(00:30)
      (:30) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass incomplete deep left to M.Valdes-Scantling (C.Davis) [J.Ledbetter].[/b]

      They’re 2×2 and we’re 2 Deep, Off Coverage and we play a Combo Coverage. We let CD3 go Man against WR on left boundary and we play 3 Zone everywhere else (SMB again rolls to deep 1/3 on the side opposite CD3). We send both ILBs and we drop both Edge into Hook/Seam (and both JPP and Barrett do a great job running with the Slot Verts). Its 4 Verts and that plays right into this coverage scheme. Like most things in this game, Bowles just gets the better of LaFleur and our guys execute.

      No one wins in Pass Rush and the iOL do a good job picking up White/LVD. However, 2nd effort forces Rodgers to pocket climb and he’s already rattled. Especially given how blanketted everything is on the backend. White bears down for the hit after high-motor effort post-climb. Rodgers heaves it to the CD3 and V-S 1v1. CD3 almost gets the Pick.

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    • Mic

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      [postquote quote=1348977]

      Thanks! Just hoping someone on the team can see this and execute it. Also be wary of the double move out and up. Adam’s ran it vs the Rams we ran it with Miller in the saints game. Again down and distance corners need to know when it’s coming. Football IQ of down distance, route recognition makes athletes into football players.

      [postquote quote=1349021] On that play call I believe TB had Fournette beating the lb to the flat he had the first down just chose the deep shot that one is on Brady.

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    • Nobody

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      [b]1ST & 10 AT GB 25(12:14)
      (12:14) A.Jones left end to GB 29 for 4 yards (D.White). GB-D.Bakhtiari was injured during the play. His return is Questionable.[/b]

      Wing Left w/ Tight Flanker, I Formation, Strong Outside Zone Lead Toss.

      Playside 1T (Nacho) Reached by C. Playside 4T (Gholston) Reached by LG/LT then LT peels LVD (who would be the Spill defender here). TE puts playside 7T (JPP) on skates but JPP keeps outside leverage sufficient to force it back inside). FB Leads to White and disrupts his Fill.

      The combination of all of these = Play Win for GB.

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    • Nobody

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      [postquote quote=1349193]

      Tape hasn’t dropped yet so I haven’t had a chance to look at it.

      But even if its a Deep Shot w/ a checkdown, I hate the play-call on 3rd and short. Run a play where the design conception (a) creates a catch 22 for 1-2 Zone defenders + a built-in Rub for Man w/ (b) the easiest read and throw possible.

      Maximize the difficulty for the defense and minimize the difficulty for the offense. A Deep Shot + Checkdown on 3rd and 1 looks like a coach copping out from their job and doing the defense a favor.

      Its like 2nd and 1/2 not being “a shot down.” 1st downs are so damn important. Stay out of 3rd down. Get the first down. Take your shots on 1st and 10. This is where the risk is at its most minimized + the defense is not dictating play.

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      [b]1ST & 10 AT GB 24(10:13)
      (10:13) A.Rodgers sacked at GB 16 for -8 yards (sack split by J.Pierre-Paul and L.David).[/b]

      They’re 12 P, Unbalanced Right w/ Twins Left and they run Play-Action Man Weak. We blitz LVD 2nd level off the Weak side w/ JPP going hard B gap across LT’s face (to ensure he can’t get out to LVD) and drop Barrett into Curl/Flat on the other side and play 3 Zone behind the Blitz. JPP’s Slant works and its LVD 1v1 against the RB after he perfectly times the Blitz. He beats the RB straight-up. JPP’s Rip after his Slant to B wins. The two of them converge to immediately take down Rodgers.

      Another win by Bowles blitzing right into the Play-action.

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    • Nobody

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      [b]1ST & 10 AT GB 34(07:50)
      (7:50) A.Jones up the middle to GB 41 for 7 yards (C.Davis).[/b]

      Balanced 12 P w/ Right Flanker Short Motion to Wing Right; Man Off RG Toss. Nacho is 3T playside. He gets a little penetration quickly but Jenkins works his feet/hips to torque Nacho to the outside, seal him with a powerful clamp of that inside hand/underhook and just buries him with the finish. To the ground. This is a key block as it creates the cutback between the A gaps. Gholston is backside A and he’s put on skates by the C and RG. White (playside A) misreads this (he starts to Spill to the perimeter) and then misfits it entirely so B gap and A gap playside are lost. Backside RG climbs to LVD after the Gholston double and LVD takes a bad angle to evade, losing backside B. Barrett tries to scrape down the line and he’s buried the TE/Wing combo and Whitehead is sealed by the RT.

      Pretty much everyone loses. Great run support by Davis and Winfield minimizes the Play Loss.

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    • Nobody

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      [b]1ST & 10 AT GB 45(06:31)
      (6:31) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass incomplete short left to E.St. Brown.[/b]

      Strong Right, Trips Left. They run quick Outside Zone Strong Play-action and then out to the Bubble Screen to the Tight WR in Trips. We’re Off Zone, showing 2 Deep w/ SMB Tight on the inside receiver in Trips. SMB blitzes and we’re rolling Winfield down on top of the Trips and rolling Whitehead to Deep Middle 1/3 on the opposite side.

      SMB’s blitz creates some minor difficulty for Rodger’s angle, but not a ton. Its just not a great throw (he was rattled after all of the Hits early) and then the WR just doesn’t catch the ball (not perfect ball placement but trivially catchable). I don’t think this is going to be a Play Win for them anyway because CD3 is boundary CB over there and his read/react is decisive over there. He beats the climbing WR straight up to the outside so he (a) has perfect leverage to force the play back to the inside (like he should) and (b) he’s got a great chance to just straight up make this Tackle for a 1-2 yard gain (which would be a Play Win for us). That block is key and if its not made, the play is probably blown up.

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    • Nobody

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      [b]1ST & 10 AT GB 25(02:40)
      (2:40) A.Jones up the middle to GB 22 for -3 yards (L.David).[/b]

      They’re Bunch Left w/ Wing, Wide WR goes Jet Motion from Bunch. Wing comes under the formation at the Snap as well and they’re running a designed Weak Lead Cutback w/ the Wing out in front.

      HOWEVER…LVD is backside 7T on ball. He fakes hard up the C arc one step and the LT steps down waaaaaay too hard that way to seal him away from running the arc. LVD just takes that foot back, juking him hard, and redirecting inside for a free run at the mesh point between the QB and RB. Whitehead is also blitzing Weak B. LVD makes the TFL, but Whitehead was on the way for the chase-down as well.

      Good thing too because Gholston, Nacho, JPP all lose, White’s read is late so the Center is in his lap and has him tied up where he stood at the beginning of the play, and Barrett is in a bad spot w/ the Wing’s Lead (huge hole inside and outside of him).

      Great individual play by LVD and possibly a win because of Whitehead’s weak B blitz.

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      [b]1ST & 10 AT GB 12(12:07)
      (12:07) (Shotgun) A.Dillon up the middle to GB 15 for 3 yards (L.David; J.Dean).[/b]

      They’re Strong Left, Wide Bunch Right and they run Inside Zone Weak. Nacho is NT and he does a great job against the double and forces the ball to declare for the cutback. JPP does a great job on the backside forcing the cutback to bounce wide. LVD is Spill, Dean is Force and Whitehead is Fill for the cutback. They do their job and contain it for a 3 yard gain and another Play Win for the good guys.

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    • Nobody

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      [b]1ST & 10 AT GB 41(10:20)
      (10:20) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass incomplete short left.[/b]

      They’re 2×2 and we’re in Off 2 Man Under.

      Rodger’s is really just completely rattled at this point. Phantom pressure everywhere. His throwing platform basically just doesn’t exist. Yes, he and Mahomes are the greatest “off-platform” throwers of the football in history. But he’s not even trying at this point. This game just looks like one of those games from the last 3-4 years where he pulled a “Cutler” and just checked out mentally.

      Nacho gets a decent push through A and JPP has a good 2nd effort against the LT, but he just bails on the throw early and the Out to the Left Slot sails out of bounds.

      I can’t recall. Did he get hurt this game? He’s just not even trying to escape the pocket at this point and make any plays.

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    • Nobody

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      And the final 1st Down Snap for them. Another Play Win for us:

      [b]1ST & 10 AT GB 30(07:05)
      (7:05) A.Dillon left tackle to GB 33 for 3 yards (J.Ledbetter).[/b]

      Strong Left, Strong I Left, Strong Outside Zone Lead. Ledbetter is 0T and he just wins against the C here. Controls him and forces the ball to declare where he wants along with getting good push. Barrett is great on the Edge playside as well. Gholston and White both lose in their fits so this is basically a one-man-show w/ Ledbetter dominating heads-up on the Center, forcing the ball to declare, shedding, finishing.

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    • DEBUCSOWN

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      @nobody where do you get tape? Anywhere free? More then once I’ve said I want to rewatch this game but no longer have a dvr since i dropped cable.

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    • Nobody

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      All told, this was basically the story of our win against GB:

      1) Bowles was just masterful. Bowles was dialing up Pressure that was perfectly timed for what they were trying to do in both the Run Game and Passing Game. And it wasn’t just the timing and execution of the blitz but it was married to games with the Front. We had tons of free-runners at Rodgers.

      2) Fantastic individual effort by guys. Davis and Dean just blanketed guys. Outside of that one play where he blew the Flat coverage on the Wheel (but it was still a Play Loss for GB because of great communication and a great play by CD3), LVD was great in coverage and made tons of negative plays (2 Pressures and Sacks on the Blitz and 6 Stops total), JPP was dominant in Pass Rush, White had 3 great Pressures and our iDL collectively was very good in Pass Rush. AWJ also made a few big plays.

      3) We hit Rodgers so much so early that he just looked like he checked out. Looked like he didn’t want to be there and he was absolutely starting to feel phantom pressure that wasn’t there. Never comfortable from the middle of the 2nd on.

      4) We dominated 1st down (as above). Couple that domination of 1st down on defense with our offense just being pedal to the floor and SCORING OVER_AND OVER_AND OVER. It just put a ridiculous amount of pressure on Rodgers/LaFleur/OL to get points in chunks and go away from their strengths on 2nd and 3rd down. LaFleur was dialing up a ton of vertical concepts and Bowles was calling inverted 2 and 3 Deep w/ fantastic, aggressive underneath coverage play routinely (and it was a healthy mix of both Man and Zone underneath). And Pressure and Zone rotations off of that and Rodgers’ was just suffering from brain-lock. Looked like he never knew what coverage he was facing and looked like he felt like 6 guys were coming every play (the Pressure wasn’t NEARLY as bad as Rodgers 2nd half play made it look).

      5) As mentioned directly above, when the offense is scoring like we were (chunks and 6 over and over), the urgency to get chunks and score quick the other way starts to put you in a bad play-calling spot. LaFleur panicked, the OL didn’t hold up, Rodgers’ checked out.

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    • Nobody

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      [postquote quote=1349259]

      I don’t think there is free NFL gametape anywhere. I’ve subscribed to NFL Gamepass for a good while.

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    • Nobody

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      A couple more thoughts:

      1) They LOVE the quick boundary Quickout or Hitch. If we play too much in the way of Off Coverage, they’ll do with their Quick Game exactly what NO does except they go to the boundary rother than the middle of the field; Rodgers will Hitch and Quickout us to death and be in perpetual 2nd and 4-6. ESPECIALLY when they go Empty. They love going Empty on 1st and 10 or 2nd and 8 and just picking up a guaranteed 4-6 against Off Coverage on the boundary. DO NOT GIVE THEM THIS (particularly Empty on early downs).

      2) Their play-action game (which they feature 30 % of the time) is the way you make a living doing it in the modern NFL. I wish we featured this. On 1st and 10 or 2nd and med/long, they love going 12 personnel (with a lot of unbalanced) and play-action Outside Zone and quick boot the other way and throw one of (a) a Slide route under the formation with a Wing, (b) a chip and Flare to flat by a TE, (c) a Pivot route by a Tight WR, or (d) a Quickout if its to the wide side of the field.

      OR…they’ll just go quick play-action and throw the Arrow or Quickout under an Deepout or a vert.

      They LOVE to outflank people to the boundary with easy pitch-and-catch off of Play-Action.

      This is why we were so successful blitzing on the perimeter w/ DBs or 2nd level players. Overwhelmingly its about (i) getting hits on these plays or (ii) disrupting the throws or killing the Boot.

      +++++++++++++++++

      Like the 1st game (and unlike the Saints), we need to be blitzing 2nd level players on the perimeter (and they will oblige us w/ Tight Stacks aplenty that we can blitz off of) and hope to catch them in a play-action and Hit Rodgers and disrupt these plays.

      And we need to play Press Coverage again (doesn’t have to always be Man…we can Bail and play some Zone or reroute and play some Cover 2 Zone w/ some inverted players on one side)…particularly on the boundaries.

      And we need to NOT let TE’s free on the backside of Outside Zone looks. Its just as likely that Rodgers is going to pull it out, naked boot and go to that TE or WR in the Flat. Coverage on the backside of play-action has to be on top of their details constantly. Particularly 1st and 10 and 2nd and 7ish.

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      Alright, tape has dropped. Going to review the 10 biggest plays on D that contributed to victory. These guys here:

      [b]3RD & 5 AT TB 5(11:39)
      (11:39) (Shotgun) D.Brees pass incomplete short right to M.Thomas.[/b]

      After 3 & Out to start the game and the Punt Coverage unit gives up a titanic Return to almost start in the RZ, we have to turn 7 into 3. Great and gutsy call be Bowles and great execution.

      [b]1ST & 10 AT TB 25(05:31)
      (5:31) A.Kamara left end to TB 24 for 1 yard (D.White).[/b]

      Next drive and they’re knocking on the doorstep for 7 again. This Jet Sweep Play Loss for NO put them behind down and distance that they couldn’t recover from and forced another FG. This is one they typically get people will. Great Force/Spill play by CD3 and White.

      [b]2ND & 9 AT NO 37(11:31)
      (11:31) (Shotgun) D.Brees pass short right intended for M.Thomas INTERCEPTED by S.Murphy-Bunting at NO 39. S.Murphy-Bunting ran ob at NO 3 for 36 yards (E.McCoy).[/b]

      Pick immediately turns into 6, the lead, and MO for the good guys next play.

      [b]2ND & 8 AT NO 42(04:07)
      (4:07) D.Brees pass short right to J.Hill to NO 39 for -3 yards (S.Murphy-Bunting). Pass -7, YAC 4[/b]

      Another fantastic play by SMB turns into 3rd and Long which turns a burgeoning drive in good field position into a Punt.

      [b]3RD & 2 AT NO 45(04:41)
      (4:41) (Shotgun) D.Brees pass short right to J.Cook to TB 47 for 8 yards (A.Winfield). FUMBLES (A.Winfield), RECOVERED by TB-D.White at TB 42. D.White pushed ob at NO 40 for 18 yards (M.Thomas). Pass 4, YAC 4[/b]

      AWJ w/ the biggest play of the game. They’re in + field position and in great down and distance. We’re down 7. Its nearing the 4th. THE GAME IS IN THE FREAKIN BALANCE. We don’t make this play, very good chance we lose this game.

      [b]2ND & 9 AT NO 37(01:04)
      (1:04) (Shotgun) D.Brees pass incomplete short left to E.Sanders (J.Dean).[/b]

      Huge PBU that leads to 3rd and long which leads to Punt.

      [b]1ST & 10 AT NO 36(01:37)
      (1:37) A.Kamara right end ran ob at NO 37 for 1 yard (D.White).[/b]

      Tie ball game. End 3rd and their moving toward + field position. HUGE play by LVD to (a) shoot the gap, (b) Spill the Puller and Kamara basically out of bounds on a run play that should have yielded big yards on 1st down and would have prevented the following 3rd down play to happen (and the Stop). White escorts Kamara out of bounds. This Stop (on what should have been a + play) through individual effort (and the Puller was out CLEAN) was massive. LVD doesn’t get anything in the stat sheet, but he made this play and not many ILBs have the read + react + quicks + technical precision in the Spill at 100 MPH to make this play.

      [b]3RD & 9 AT NO 37(01:00)
      (1:00) (Shotgun) D.Brees pass incomplete short left to A.Kamara (R.Cockrell) [S.McLendon].[/b]

      If they convert this 3rd and Long after two great plays and Play Wins by us on 1st and 2nd down, its brutal momentum loss and massive game situation advantage. Hugely timely immediate Pressure by JPP through B gap leads to incompletion and the Punt (White blew coverage here, he had Man on Fullback on Arrow and he just didn’t cover him at all, and Brees would have gotten to his checkdown and it almost surely would have converted).

      [b]2ND & 8 AT NO 38(07:18)
      (7:18) (Shotgun) D.Brees pass short right intended for A.Kamara INTERCEPTED by D.White at NO 48. D.White pushed ob at NO 20 for 28 yards (M.Callaway).[/b]

      3 point game mid through 4th. This is the best play of Devin White’s entire career. This looked like Luke Kuechly playing Match Quarters. I’m not exaggerating. This is one of the best Coverage plays a LB can ever make, even if its just generating a PBU (forget the Pick and Return). This is not a play that this position is meant to make.

      [b]1ST & 10 AT NO 35(04:25)
      (4:25) (No Huddle, Shotgun) D.Brees pass deep right intended for J.Cook INTERCEPTED by M.Edwards at TB 47. M.Edwards ran ob at TB 48 for 1 yard.[/b]

      LVD recovers in Man against Cook’s Wheel (initially lost attachment) to get his hand up in the catch window. He doesn’t generate a PBU, but the hand flashing there surely affected the DOINK here and Edwards secures it.

      Game over.

      ++++++++++++++++++++++

      I’ll break these down tomorrow.

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    • Detrimental

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      On that first Saints hold, Dean was smoked by a rub route and Sanders was WIDE open for 6. Brees was pre determined where he wanted to go with the football but man we got lucky.

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      [postquote quote=1349323]

      That happened a couple time with Brees this game. On one of the deep incompletions to Thomas, Kamara was wide open in the flat after playaction. Thomas was double-covered and there was nobody within 20 yards of Kamara.

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      I saw that too! There was tons of green in front of him, possibly 6 with the a full head of steam (only like 3 defenders on that side of the field too. [postquote quote=1349337]

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    • Nobody

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      Alright, 10 biggest plays on defense.

      [b]3RD & 5 AT TB 5(11:39)
      (11:39) (Shotgun) D.Brees pass incomplete short right to M.Thomas.[/b]

      After 3 & Out to start the game and the Punt Coverage unit gives up a titanic Return to almost start in the RZ, we have to turn 7 into 3.

      They’re 3×1 (Bunch Left) w/ Kamara on the Single side. We’re in 0 Blitz, Press Across.

      Brees prioritizes the Single; Thomas vs Davis on a Fade. Davis dominates him. The other side is a Rub w/ the two inside Recievers working to pick off Dean for the Drag underneath. He does get picked, but the play is LONG dead. Instant pressure w/ White and the NT on a Slant and Loop. Ball has to be out instantly.

      If he prioritizes the Rub combo, it may have been 6 but can’t remotely say for sure. The A Gap Pressure is INSTANT. When the ball is released, Dean isn’t picked yet (but he’s losing attachment and not due to to being picked).

      Bowles call worked. Davis dominated Thomas on the Fade route. And we’ll never know what would have happened if Brees prioritizes the Bunch Rub. The ball would not remotely (and we’re talking tenths of seconds…but that is the margin in the NFL) have been out as quick as a Fade to his right. Throwing to your left always takes a micro-second longer because of the footwork required to get into throwing position (whereas on your right you’re in throwing position immediately). And the route takes longer to develop due to all of that traffic.

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      [b]1ST & 10 AT TB 25(05:31)
      (5:31) A.Kamara left end to TB 24 for 1 yard (D.White).[/b]

      Next drive and they’re knocking on the doorstep for 7 again.

      They’re in 21 personnel. Strong Right w/ Kamara Wing Right and Thomas Wing Left, Montgomery Singleback. Kamara comes in Jet Motion and they run Jet Sweep Weak w/ the right side of the line and RB showing Outside Zone the other way. This action is meant to screw with the key-reading of the ILBs and iDL (and hopefully the play-side Edge flattens down for a step thinking he’s chasing Outside Zone the other way so Kamara can get outside of him).

      The snap just so happens to coincide with really bad luck for us. The Safeties are having trouble with the defensive call/their alignment and LVD (playside ILB) has to turn around and get them sorted out. They quick-snap right when this is happening, putting him at a huge disadvantage to deal with the uncovered LG climbing in his lap. He’s wiped out entirely because of this.

      The only hope here is (a) Nelson (that play-side Edge) can force width by Kamara (he does a solid job here) and CD3 can Force it back inside to White on the Spilll. This play could have trivially been a big positive play for NO and changed the complexion of the drive if these 3 guys didn’t make the play. CD3 beats the climbing defender and maintains Force, making Kamara declare back inside to White and White finishes the play (who could have easily had his cognitive loop slowed by the Outside Zone action the other way, but he read it correctly the whole way). Huge play by CD3 and White and very solid Edge play against Jet Sweep (with Outside Zone the other way) by Nelson.

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      [b]2ND & 9 AT NO 37(11:31)
      (11:31) (Shotgun) D.Brees pass short right intended for M.Thomas INTERCEPTED by S.Murphy-Bunting at NO 39. S.Murphy-Bunting ran ob at NO 3 for 36 yards (E.McCoy).[/b]

      They’re 2×2 and we’re Cover 1 Press Man Blitz w/ JPP Loop around A gap blitz. The Blitz works and JPP is free on the loop from 6T all the way to A gap (Davis and White do a great job picking off the C/RG/RT). Ball has to be out QUICK.

      Everyone wins in Coverage. SMB is on the Right Slot which is a Quickout to Thomas. Great jam which compromises the release BIG TIME and throws off the timing of the play. Some folks will bitch that this was a Hold, but if you call this a Hold, you can’t play Press Coverage in the NFL. Yes, a CB’s hand strike and clamp on an outside shoulderpad can throw off a play like this. Its only Defensive Holding if they grab and pull and that allows them to stay attached.

      If this is Defensive Holding then damn near every snap of Lattimore vs Evans in Press is Defensive Holding (or anyone vs Mike to be honest).

      SMB then simply undercuts the route and makes the play after seriously disrupting the release and timing with his Jam. Fantastic work across the board.

      Man, you let your guys play aggressive, its amazing how much faster and more physical they play in all aspects of play. Cognitive Loops speed up and become more accurate. And the opposite happens for the other team. Play slower, play less physical, Cognitive Loops slow down and become less accurate. The place you see this more than anything is in the NHL Playoffs, but this game and this defense is a poster child for it. Play a ton of Off, play a ton of Zone and everything is slow and soft and accepting. Do the opposite…opposite emerges!

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      [b]2ND & 8 AT NO 42(04:07)
      (4:07) D.Brees pass short right to J.Hill to NO 39 for -3 yards (S.Murphy-Bunting). Pass -7, YAC 4[/b]

      Another crucial play by SMB. Its 13-10 Saints, nearing the end of the 2nd. If this play goes the other way, they’re in + field position, can probably run the clock out, and turn a 3 point game into a 6-10 point game. This big play by SMB turns it into a 3rd and long, which turns it into a Punt, which turns it into a tie ball game at the half.

      They’re 2×2 w/ Stacked TE’s Right after Motion to Slot Left. They play-fake a Power O Weak and run a TE Screen the other way. We’re in Off Quarters and SMB is NCB over the TE Stack on the right side. He sniffs the TE Screen out quickly, beats the climbing player assigned to him, and makes the TFL. Just a huge individual play when Bowles was beaten by Payton here.

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      Was asked about GB’s defense and offensive approach against them.

      This is an Off Coverage Zone predominant team that plays a lot of 2 Zone and Match Quarters and mixes in Zone Blitzes w/ 3 Zone behind and dropping 8 w/ a Low Hole defender in 3 Zone. They Zone blitz on 2nd and 7-10 a lot to try to generate a negative play for 3rd and long. They’ll also play a lot of Dime packages and bring a DB as their 4th a lot in those same situations.

      They’re the inverse of Bowles historically. They devote waaaay less assets and situational personnel toward the Run and are committed toward stopping the Pass. They love playing heavy DB groupings on Run/Pass Down and Distance (eg you’ll find them in Dime w/ weird fronts that aren’t great against the Run on 2nd and 7). They’re basically begging you to Run the football a lot of the time.

      We can’t take the cheese on 1st down. We need to still throw the ball 60 % of the time on 1st down w/ a lot of 2 Zone and Match Quarters beaters while still running 6 Man protections. You’re talking Arrow or Wheel under Post + Corner from Stack w/ exchanged releases and 12 yard stems (to make Quarters processing difficult). Those kinds of things that attack 2 Zone and MQ simultaneously.

      Unlike 1st down, we need to run the ball like crazy on 2nd down, but not from condensed formations (which artificially lets them get more players activated in the run game); eg don’t run from 12 personnel and also bring Godwin in short motion to Wing. That plays right into their hands and protects them from their willingness to basically sacrifice personnel/fronts in the run game on 2nd down. Play a lot of 11 on 2nd down and keep the numbers in the box minimized. Win w/ 5 or 6 against bad front situations for GB.

      Play less Tight Stack and Bunch against them and don’t motion Godwin to Wing much (because that makes it hard on their NCB blitzes as they like to do).

      A lot of Play-action + attack the seams and the High Hole (where 2/3 Zone can be had).

      Throw iso Smoke routes or Stack Smoke Screens against that Off Coverage on 1st and 10 and 2nd and 7 or worse and take the easy 4.

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      [b]3RD & 2 AT NO 45(04:41)
      (4:41) (Shotgun) D.Brees pass short right to J.Cook to TB 47 for 8 yards (A.Winfield). FUMBLES (A.Winfield), RECOVERED by TB-D.White at TB 42. D.White pushed ob at NO 40 for 18 yards (M.Thomas). Pass 4, YAC 4[/b]

      They’re 3×1 (Trips Right) w/ AWJ out wide against Cook. We’re Cover 1 Press Man Blitz (all 3 DL and both Edge) w/ LVD Green Dog.

      They’re simply trying a clear-out (Kamara tight on Corner route) + boundary rub (Slot Quickout w/ Cook under it on a Slant). The rub works and they get the completion but (as we know) Winfield w/ the strip and the clear-out w/ Kamara actually works against them because that puts White right in the area where the ball bounces for the scoop + 18 yard return. This is still a good play by White as well here as he still has to peel off of Kamara and make the play. Its no gimme to scoop this and return it 18.

      This is the play of the game. They complete this and its 1st and 10 at our 43, they’re already up 7 and they’re on the way for 3 or more w/ the 3rd quarter ending.

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      [b]2ND & 9 AT NO 37(01:04)
      (1:04) (Shotgun) D.Brees pass incomplete short left to E.Sanders (J.Dean).[/b]

      They’re Empty 3×2 (Trips Left) and we’re Cover 1 Press Man Blitz. White who is blitzing left A gap w/ Nelson Looping around back to that gap…McCoy wrecks White here and basically throws him out of the pocket and is still easily in position to pick up Nelson’s Loop. Nothing gets done in Pass Rush so Brees has time. However, he still goes to his primary read which is Sander’s Slant vs Dean from Trip’s Slot.

      As happens a lot with Dean (and this baits throws that he can defend), if he doesn’t win with his Jam (and he gets no route disruption here and its a clean release and stem to the Slant), he loses early on Slant routes and the like. So it looks like there is a window. But he’s so stupidly long that he’s able to challenge even when disconnected. He just explodes and reaches out with that ridiculous length and gets his hand in the catch window for the PBU.

      If he doesn’t make this PBU, its 1v1 w/ Winfield for a huge gain or the house. As it was, this led to 3rd and long which led to a punt which led to points for us and a lead in the 4th Q.

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    • Nobody

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      This is actually the play right before the above one that put it 2nd and 9.

      [b]1ST & 10 AT NO 36(01:37)
      (1:37) A.Kamara right end ran ob at NO 37 for 1 yard (D.White).[/b]

      Tie ball game. End 3rd and their moving toward + field position.

      They motion the TE across the formation into a Wing Right Bunch and they run an Outside Zone Strong Gap Toss Sweep. Outside Zone rules everywhere from RG over (so they’re working to Reach block across the board; cross every tech’s face and seal them inside) w/ both WRs blocking down for the RT and TE to Pull around those Pin Blocks.

      Its literally wins across the board up front. Everyone is Reached and Pinned. LVD just makes an incredible play here with stupidly quick cognitive loop, exploding playside and downhill while navigating all of Bunch Pin-downs. He shoots the tiniest of gaps and absolutely destroys the RT’s Pull and in the backfield at that. He works all the way through it and works into Kamara’s feet to both (a) defeat and Spill the pull to force Kamara to declare wide and then (b) force Kamara basically on top of the boundary so White can just walk him out of bounds. This Stop (on what should have been a + play) through individual effort (and the Puller was out CLEAN) was massive. LVD doesn’t get anything in the stat sheet, but he made this play and not many ILBs have the read + react + quicks + technical precision in the Spill at 100 MPH to make this play.

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    • Mic

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      Knowing they have devote a lot to pass D Rojo is gonna go off this week. 150yards I can see from him as our run blocking remarkedly has improved most likely from focus and experience.

      He’s been itching for another 100yard game. Dalvin cook have similar running styles and burst not the same long speed but we saw what cook did to the packers and fantasy owners

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      [b]3RD & 9 AT NO 37(01:00)
      (1:00) (Shotgun) D.Brees pass incomplete short left to A.Kamara (R.Cockrell) [S.McLendon].[/b]

      If they convert this 3rd and Long after two great plays and Play Wins by us on the previously broken down 1st and 2nd down Play Wins for our D, its brutal momentum loss and massive gamestate advantage.

      They’re 3×1 (Trips Left) w/ the Fullback Singleback Single side. We’re 2 Man Under. Hugely timely immediate Pressure by JPP (7T vs LT) through B gap lead. He comes down hard onto the LT’s Vertical Set like he’s going Speed to Power > head fakes to the C arc briefly to try to force the overset to the edge (it works) > then explodes back inside across the LT’s face into the B gap. The LT has absolutely no leverage in his base or for his strike to JPP’s inside shoulder. He blows right throw the strike and Armstead ends up blatantly holding here (this is as quintessential an OH call on an OL as you will see; Overset + meek strike outside the numbers because you have no foundation + grab across the body as the DL blows by you…blatant Holding call…nothing from the officials). Despite the lack of Holding call on 3rd and 9 (I’ll go ahead and remind folks that we had 3 Holding calls against our defense on 3rd down and a few no calls on their Defensive Backfield that could have easily have been DPI or Holds), JPP gets immediate and play-killing B gap pressure.

      Brees 1st read (which he has no choice but to go to immediately) is Cockrell in the Slot vs Kamara on a Whip route that got a little rub from the Tight WR. Cockrell evades the rub neatly and is in Kamara’s pocket on the initial Drag look and when he pivots back to the Out. Kamara can’t shake him. Great job by Cockrell and he gets the PBU.

      I mentioned above that White blew coverage here. He had Man on Fullback on Arrow and he just didn’t cover him at all, and Brees would have gotten to his checkdown and it almost surely would have converted. On review several times, I’m not convinced that this is blown coverage. He definitely has Man on the Fullback. However, everything that White does here looks like Bowles gave him some freedom to play Low Hole and help on in-cuts if he thinks he can get out to the Fullback on a route to the boundary. It doesn’t make sense for White to have blown this. It looks more like (a) freedom given to White by Bowles and (b) White being bold as hell here and confident in his ability to play Low Hole and still get out to the FB and make a tackle on an Arrow route before he gets thde 9 yards (despite being massively outflanked by the route).

      I’m not convinced at all that White makes the tackle if Brees is able to come off Kamara and get over to the Arrow before the 9 yards. He would have been outflanked by about 11 yards horizontally, have had 16-18 yards total to cover after the catch, and would have had to change direction. But it didn’t materialize due to JPP’s great play.

      If we get to the Super Bowl, this might be a defense we see w/ White actually given the freedom to play Spy on Mahomes or Allen while still having RB responsibility in Man.

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      As an addendum to my posts above regarding what we should do in this game:

      1) Rodgers has one of the biggest drops (like Brady) in terms of Passer Rating when Kept Clean vs Passer Rating Under Pressure; hair over 40 points. This is the same story annually with him (2 years ago he was 43 lower…17 was 33…19 was 30 and change). 16 was the year (Brady has actually had several of these) where it didn’t contract that much; 15 point differential.

      2) Unsurprisingly given the above, Green Bay’s EPA when they’re blitzed is just barely north of the standard Pass Play EPA for the NFL. However, when they aren’t blitzed, their EPA differential compared to the standard EXPLODES. Its league best.

      3) When we had so much success against them in Week 6, we dialed up the blitz a bit north of 40 %. And they were timely blitzes. We need to overload blitz the perimeter on 2nd and 7+ when they like to run play-action boot and we need to be blitzing the A gap w/ White off of a DT Slant (or blitz White A gap and Loop Shaq or JPP or Suh behind it) a fair bit on 1st and 3rd downs. Combo these A Gap blitzes with a lot of Press 2 Zone and Trap 2 Zone (we can Bail or Jam and Sink…but we need to show up tight on the boundaries) to prevent the quick throws to the boundary that Rodgers loves. They like to max protect off Play-action and your best chance of getting home against Max Protect is either (a) overload blitz one side or (b) overload and create movement in the A gaps and get Pressure there.

      You’re almost surely not going to get Sacks as Rodgers will usually get rid of it. But you have to prevent the quick throw to the boundary and you’ve got to force him off his spot and then rally like hell so he can’t make a play with his feet. Rodgers can make you pay (and he surely will some) but you_just_cannot beat this team rushing 4 and playing vanilla coverage behind. Overload blitz the perimeter and A gap situationally, Press the boundaries, mix up Coverage on the back end.

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      I like it

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      2ND & 8 AT NO 38(07:18)
      (7:18) (Shotgun) D.Brees pass short right intended for A.Kamara INTERCEPTED by D.White at NO 48. D.White pushed ob at NO 20 for 28 yards (M.Callaway).

      3 point game mid through 4th.

      They’re 2×2 w/ Tight Stack Right w/ Wing TE and Kamara Singleback under that (so basically a Bunch look). We’re Match Quarters.

      The tight Stack Right exchange releases. WR goes inside release to Dig at 12 (this depth is a mesh point for MQ) and TE hard outside release to Arrow and Up. For the underneath defenders (LVD boundary and White inside), this means they need to get depth to landmark and carry these verts (the Match for verts for the CB and S occurs around 12ish yards).

      However, you’ve got Kamara on an Option route under that. He can either run the Angle and cut in or go Vert. He goes Vert because White is carrying the Dig inside. White beautifully carries this dig. He completely contracts the window to it. This puts him in a very difficult spot to deal with that follow-on vert by Kamara. If he has bad footwork here or a hip-flip is forced while he’s carrying that vert that takes his field of vision off of Kamara, he’s effed. But his footwork is excellent and he’s cognizant of the threat of Kamara the entire time and keys it.

      After carrying that Dig inside to the hash, he keys Brees/Kamara, changes direction to get outside 7 yards to the catch window for the vert and we know the rest.

      This is the best play of Devin White’s entire career. This looked like Luke Kuechly playing Match Quarters. I’m not exaggerating. This is one of the best Coverage plays a LB can ever make, even if its just generating a PBU (forget the Pick and Return). This is not a play that this position is meant to make.

      If these kinds of plays were routinely on tape (and I don’t even mean the Pick…I mean the vert carrying and the footwork and the cognizance of other threats and acting upon them…even if just to contract a 2nd window or challenge a catch point), my LSU review of White and my NFL review of White would be 100 % in the opposite direction. I would say things like “this is the extremely rare 2nd level coverage player that makes a huge difference on defense in the passing-game-enabled modern NFL.”

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      1ST & 10 AT NO 35(04:25)
      (4:25) (No Huddle, Shotgun) D.Brees pass deep right intended for J.Cook INTERCEPTED by M.Edwards at TB 47. M.Edwards ran ob at TB 48 for 1 yard.

      They’re 2×2 and we’re 2 Man Under. Shaq has a great C arc rush against Ramczyk that wins big; goes hard C arc > gives him a foot/head fake back to B to stall his Vertical Set (it works) > then goes back hard C arc and gets a great Slap on that inside arm strike attempt (you stall a Vertical Set and then foil this attack and you’re in business) > Dip/Bend and win. This is a fantastically conceived, strung together, and executed suite against one of the best RT’s in the game. Unfortunately, we get nothing B to B gap done (this is the Vea effect…you can lead the league in Pressures, as Barrett did, yet only end up with 8 Sacks because you’re not getting anything done B to B gap and/or the rusher on the other side isn’t winning and flushing the QB to you) so Brees steps up and makes the throw.

      Cook is running an Out and Up. He gets brief separation from LVD, but LVD recovers after the move back to the vert to get his hand up in the catch window. He doesn’t generate a PBU, but the hand flashing there surely affected the DOINK here and Edwards secures it (Safety that side).

      Game over.

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    • Mic

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      On the devin white pick I was thinking the exact same thin. Reminiscent of kuechly in Dallas where he has those two picks against romo. Unbelievable coverage and recognition

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